UK General Election 2024, and its aftermath

[grapevine]

This Has Happened Before

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=PawJ03AIFwQ

(39.10)
Very interesting video about what's going on with Nigel Farage/Reform and worth a view imo.

Unlike Ben Habib (aka Sir Hiss, who has fully used this opportunity for back-stabbing up to the hilt), Godfrey Bloom gives a more defined view of the problems within Reform at the moment. What Bloom says is perfectly true; this situation has occurred time and time again and it seems that although charistmatic and influential Nigel is unmatchable on the podium, rallying people to the cause and giving stick to the poor performance of the government, in reality he's unable to lead and keep his party in line, and his ego won't allow him stand aside for a person who is more suited to the leadership role. Ashridge Business School was mentioned, once a great British leadership and management flagship. But at 60 years of age, perhaps it's too late to teach an old dog new tricks. Sorry Nige

Going forward, can Reform be salvaged? There's far too much at stake to allow the only viable Opposition Party it to bite the dust.

One of the "under comments" on YT held a slant which I hadn't contemplated, and that is the suggested cold shoulder of Nigel by Donald Trump. I know Nigel wasn't invited to his inauguration but went along anyway (invited by someone else *) but I'd put that down to Kier Starmer not being invited and thus loss of face for the British PM, which wouldn't be good even if there's no love lost on either side. Anyway, here it is:

"@glendakirby5579
22 hours ago
Yes I think a lot of us were right about Elon Musk too.If you are going to throw turds at people,best do it in private i'd say. He deserved better than that. Then he got to America and found he was nothing special in the Trump world,and got shut out in the rain with the other also rans' The fast pace of it all and trying to be all things to all people became too much for someone not in the first flush, but I still maintain he has achieved more in his life so far than most in ten lifetimes, SO, I hope he won't cave, but learn to delegate, and be the MC, put your best talents where they achieve their best results, encourage them. You are all experiencing some new territory, help each other, cut a bit of slack, this could still be overcome. Olive branches Gentlemen please!"

Edit:
*was invited by Mississippi Governor Phil Bryant

[Bill Ryan]

Astonishing scenes in the UK Parliament's Prime Minister's Question Time, when Kier Starmer brought his Chancellor (= Finance Minister), who was sitting right beside him, to tears.

UK [Finance Minister] Reeves driven to tears. Starmer on his way out

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Jq2gHHaUOyA

[grapevine]

Zia Yusef, Reform Party -
Time to put British people first

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=MaURHffoL10

Operation Restoring Justice Conference

IF Reform get voted in they'll have such a lot to put right and likely run into the same problems the USA is undergoing. I do wish Ben Habib and Rupert Lowe would mend fences with Reform and not split the vote. It's very disappointing that they would put their own interests first. With the best will in the world, Tommy Robinson isn't cut out to be a politician

[norman]

Posted by grapevine (here)
Zia Yusef, Reform Party -
"Time to put British people first"

IF Reform get voted in they'll have such a lot to put right and likely run into the same problems the USA is undergoing. I do wish Ben Habib and Rupert Lowe would mend fences with Reform and not split the vote. It's very disappointing that they would put their own interests first. With the best will in the world, Tommy Robinson isn't cut out to be a politician

A nice people winning line . . .but . . .

The people of this country are too desperate to think all this through rationally. Machiavelli would be pissing himself laughing right now.

3 years is a very long time in politics and it's all still very liquid. Take a deep breath and let's put the people in charge, not prescription spun up figureheads with bloody great big 'mint' embedded water marks, if you hold them up to the right light.

I chopped this chunk out of a very recent Tommy Robinson interview because it was far too distant from the start of it for most people to ever hear it. What he says is exactly what I mean by 3 years being a long time in politics and we shouldn't be rushing to quench our worldly desperation as slam-dunk quick as we now seem to be doing. The freshly amped up intensity of public interest in the political layer of the country's affairs is very fertile ground for new possibilities we would otherwise never have imagined doable.

The people want an alternative to what they've been sold forever. If we weren't so fed up and desperate would ANY of the current offerings on the stage really look alternative ?


MP3 - 4 mins
Hmm, Farage's white flag and Yusuf's muscle
https://app.box.com/s/7qjeq0kdxdtu4lvldzscu1lkjvgh3x6h

oh, and, "1 in 1 out" sounds a hell of a lot like a complementary replacement policy to me.

[Brigantia]

Posted by norman (here)
3 years is a very long time in politics and it's all still very liquid.

They will have to get the budget through this month; with all their back bench rebellions there is a chance that their budget may be defeated.

You know what that means? It triggers a general election. Fingers crossed, everyone.

[norman]

Posted by Brigantia (here)

Posted by norman (here)
3 years is a very long time in politics and it's all still very liquid.

They will have to get the budget through this month; with all their back bench rebellions there is a chance that their budget may be defeated.

You know what that means? It triggers a general election. Fingers crossed, everyone.

hha, so that's why they tabled an IMF loan, so they could deliver a christmas stocking full of budget goodies and keep rolling without having to sell a few hectares of the empire.

[Bill Ryan]

This is breaking:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/gorton-denton-by-election-live-result-labour-green-reform-starmer-b2928430.html

Gorton and Denton result live: Hannah Spencer wins by-election for Greens as Starmer’s Labour plunged into crisis

[Tintin]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
This is breaking:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/gorton-denton-by-election-live-result-labour-green-reform-starmer-b2928430.html

Gorton and Denton result live: Hannah Spencer wins by-election for Greens as Starmer’s Labour plunged into crisis

I rather wonder whether the imams had instructed their community to bloc vote for the Greens this time in another infiltration-vote-rigging exercise - images of Pakistani flags being waved is kind of a giveaway

The 'Greens' are as about as woke as they come, so Labour may still have (kind of) won, in a bizarre twist. This is not quite what it may seem.

[Tintin]

Posted by Tintin (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
This is breaking:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/gorton-denton-by-election-live-result-labour-green-reform-starmer-b2928430.html

Gorton and Denton result live: Hannah Spencer wins by-election for Greens as Starmer’s Labour plunged into crisis

I rather wonder whether the imams had instructed their community to bloc vote for the Greens this time in another infiltration-vote-rigging exercise - images of Pakistani flags being waved is kind of a giveaway

The 'Greens' are as about as woke as they come, so Labour may still have (kind of) won, in a bizarre twist. This is not quite what it may seem.

And to put some meat on that assertion, here's Raja Miah: https://x.com/recusant_raja/status/2027252518103761051

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The Green Party would have you believe that hope and solidarity won them the Gorton and Denton by-election. I beg to differ.

What this by-election gave us was a window into the future of the United Kingdom. A future where attempts to rig elections are no longer hidden. Where sectarianism plays a dominant role. Where the flag of Pakistan is openly waved in the streets of an English constituency.

It will only get worse. They will be emboldened by this. After all, in the end, the result wasn’t even close.

None of this should surprise anyone who has been paying attention.

I’ve been at this for approaching eight years. Everything I have been documenting, everything I have been warning about, is exactly what you witnessed. The institutions dismissed it. The press ignored it. And yet here we are.

Which brings me to the question everyone on the right is now avoiding - what does this mean for Reform?

Reform need to win seats like Denton and Gorton if they are serious about the next General Election. That they didn’t come close is significant. What it tells you is that they do not have the experience to fight the cartels.

You cannot parachute in PPE graduates and expect them to understand what they’re walking into. Enthusiasm is not a strategy. Optimism is not a ground operation.

But this is not a counsel of despair. We know it can be done, because we have done it.

In Oldham, election after election, we have faced these exact tactics and beaten them. We have defeated the metropolitan elite, the mobsters, and their bloc voting Muslim partners in 4 consecutive elections where we took out their party leaders and took the council into no overall control.

By whatever means necessary, the Greens got their candidate over the line in Gorton and Denton. The tactics they and Labour used only surprised people who have never witnessed them before. We have. And we won anyway.

Experience is not transferable from a seminar room. If Reform are serious, they need to start learning from the people who have actually fought this battle and not from those who have merely read about it.

[grapevine]

My view on the result - and even before that - is that Matt Goodwin was a too far right candidate to stand in that particular area.
I hope Reform won't make that mistake again.

Also the Green Party candidate campaigned in several other languages, Urdu and Bengali being just two which, when you think about it, is a much better strategy than blasting immigrants in English with immigration issues.
I hope Reform won't make that mistake again.

[jaybee]

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To be honest I haven't followed this particular election - but from the last couple of posts I get the gist -

It sounds like the Reform Candidate wasn't up to scratch re. appealing enough for the actual voters?


And strategic (sometimes block) voting is a real problem for Reform - and this is where the Main Stream Media propaganda in support of the Uni~Party and waves of paid Internet Influencers and activists go into battle to gather disparate groups and individuals together to target + defeat a party, like Reform, who they have transformed into the Bogey Man...Mockingbird Style...

IMO - If Carol Vorderman and her (Labour dominated) crew hadn't organized country wide strategic voting in the last General Election Reform UK might have lots of MPs now....like 60 or more (just guessing)....

Organized strategic voting isn't illegal, so there's a real problem there - and Reform UK need to tackle it somehow but I don't know how -

[Bill Ryan]

Here's the report and analysis from Alexander Mercouris of The Duran:

UK Greens win big. Labour and Starmer suffer big defeat

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=wAFOKRolUqQ

[jaybee]

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This article (below) discusses the Green win in Gorton and Denton - and the block Muslim vote that gifted the Green Party the win....BECAUSE...... Reform UK have been (wrongly IMO) smeared and labelled as the racist party... so Muslim 'leaders' - have been able to throw their support behind the Green Candidate -

Perhaps this is where Rupert Lowe and his Restore Britain Party could come in handy - because in comparison Farage and Reform UK are in the (safe) Centre of British politics?

The huge Muslim demograph in certain areas cannot be ignored and Reform UK should put up Muslim Candidates who are fully behind Reform Policies - in these areas -

And work has to be done to dislodge the 'racist' label - THAT'S what's fuelling the strategic voting that could wreck Reform's chances in the next General Election -

From the article ..... Reform came second (they come second in numerous places) which shows that without the racist label and strategic voting + with a suitable candidate they could get over the winning line...in many constituencies -

quote from article...

Hannah Spencer, a local plumber and Green Party councillor, secured the seat with 14,980 votes (41 per cent of the total), defeating Labour’s Angeliki Stogia (9,364 votes) and Reform UK’s Matt Goodwin (10,578 votes). This result represents a swing of 26.4 per cent from Labour to the Greens, pushing Labour into third place in a constituency it had held with over 50 per cent of the vote in 2024.

the article - Gorton and Denton by-election: From Red-Green alliance to all-Green disaster?

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/...CW+Daily+Email