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    FULL Q AND A: Megyn Kelly Takes Questions From VA Tech Students At Turning Point USA Event
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    Even if the controversy is resolved as to who shot Kirk and how, it seems to me the next best investigation would be into what kind of secret weapons the Deep State has access to that kill without bullets, and I have no doubt at all that they exist.
    Though finding a whistleblower willing to come forward with testimony as to that might be more difficult than finding a missing bullet.
    I am also quite certain that assassination doesn't require guns or knives anymore, but for some reason the powers that be want a very public assassination, and thus the apparent use of guns and bullets still appears to be what they think will instill the most fear and loathing in all of us.

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    Or they might make it look like it was done with a bullet, when actually it was some kind of raygun or drone or EMF or God knows what, to scare all kinds of people, including conspiracy theorists who look deeply into all the possibilities.
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    Even if the controversy is resolved as to who shot Kirk and how, it seems to me the next best investigation would be into what kind of secret weapons the Deep State has access to that kill without bullets, and I have no doubt at all that they exist.
    Though finding a whistleblower willing to come forward with testimony as to that might be more difficult than finding a missing bullet.
    I am also quite certain that assassination doesn't require guns or knives anymore, but for some reason the powers that be want a very public assassination, and thus the apparent use of guns and bullets still appears to be what they think will instill the most fear and loathing in all of us.
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    Default Re: Charlie Kirk assassinated, 10 Sept 2025

    Hi Rizotto, Here are coordinates on Google Earth map that I think are pretty darn close:

    1. Location of the two guys who filmed the guy on the roof corner
    N - 40, 16', 37.89"
    W - 111, 42', 44.01"

    2. Location of the guy on the roof corner
    N - 40, 16', 41.32"
    W - 111, 42', 45.98"

    Also, I'd say here's where allegedly Tyler Robinson jumped off the roof
    N - 40, 16', 44.21"
    W - 111, 42', 44.95"

    It looks like the "tactical gear" guy filmed in this video (during the same minute Charlie Kirk was shot says Candace), is on the same roof from where Robins0n allegedly jumped after the shooting. And, it looks like the distance between the roof corner and Charlie Kirk's tent is roughly 150 yards.

    Quote Posted by Rizotto (here)
    Another amazing video report from Candace about her investigation of the murder of Charlie Kirk. Starting at 18:00, Candace discusses the video taken by a witness of someone on the roof. Candace got in touch with the witness who mentioned to her that the person he saw on the roof was wearing "tactical" clothing. (Apparently that's different from what Tyler Robinson was reportedly wearing that day?) The witness also says that the rifle he saw in the 'roof guy's hands wasn't a Mauser, it was shorter gun.

    Could someone here on PA enlighten me about the following:
    1- What is "tactical" clothing?
    2- Location of that roof top?

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    00:00 - Start.
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    Bearing False Witness: Who Made The Charlie Kirk Videos Go Viral? | Candace Ep 241
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    • CLEAR EVIDENCE Charlie Kirk Was Shot From The Back!:
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    Default Re: Charlie Kirk assassinated, 10 Sept 2025

    I very much have the strong feeling that the murder of Charlie Kirk, at the time he was beginning to question the stranglehold that I$rael has on USA, is a pivotal issue for the future of USA, and consequently the west as well. The investigation is important mostly for bringing people's awareness together of all these issues. Even if the feds suppress evidence and misdirect the investigation, this murder has sparked a big wave of skepticism against the zionist class and against Trump's unconditional surrender to Netanyahu's agenda.

    But it's still important to line up the evidence as much as is possible, if only to point out the many contradictions from the official story. In other words, to illustrate how corrupted the political and legal institutions have become, and that the problem isn't right or left, it's the oligarchs class versus the people. Next step is popular revolt.

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    The following interviews were very interesting (in no particular order):

    Drones Over Charlie Kirk's Murder? Did Aerial Surveillance Lead to Kirk’s Assassination? | Redacted



    Charlie Kirk Expressed Concerns About TPUSA Finances | Candace Ep 243



    Scott Ritter: America Has To WALK AWAY



    Max Blumenthal: Charlie Kirk, Israel, and war with Iran

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    Quote Posted by Arcturian108 (here)
    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    Even if the controversy is resolved as to who shot Kirk and how, it seems to me the next best investigation would be into what kind of secret weapons the Deep State has access to that kill without bullets, and I have no doubt at all that they exist.
    Though finding a whistleblower willing to come forward with testimony as to that might be more difficult than finding a missing bullet.
    I am also quite certain that assassination doesn't require guns or knives anymore, but for some reason the powers that be want a very public assassination, and thus the apparent use of guns and bullets still appears to be what they think will instill the most fear and loathing in all of us.
    Yes, absolutely. One example: remember how the pagers were rigged a few months ago in Palestine?
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    Default Re: Charlie Kirk assassinated, 10 Sept 2025

    A question about the suspect, Tyler Robinson. I wonder now he is doing in jail. Whether or not he has a lawyer, it would be really helpful if a local group of citizens visited him in jail daily, to see whether he's being subjected to torture or brainwashing into a 'confession'.

    Are such visits allowed?

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    A very strong new interview with Max Blumenthal, who is doubling down on everything he's had the courage to state before.

    Max Blumenthal: Charlie Kirk, Israel, and war with Iran



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    Default Re: Charlie Kirk assassinated, 10 Sept 2025

    Quote Posted by Tintin (here)
    Yes, absolutely. One example: remember how the pagers were rigged a few months ago in Palestine?
    And similarly, this suggestion (a directionally exploding lapel microphone) may not at all be out of the question. It's well worth watching, and might explain how the small but very close-range projectile (surely not a 30.06, but as best I know there's no image of this that has been published yet) was somehow found "just under his skin".

    As everyone following this thread by now will surely know, a 30.06 would 999 times out of 1000 have ripped right through any human.


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    Default Re: Charlie Kirk assassinated, 10 Sept 2025

    RT has published an excellent summary article about the whole thing. Because many can't access RT, I'll copy it all here.

    (But notably absent in the article are any mentions of Israel, trans activism, or any possible motive for the killing.) Why many Americans aren’t buying the official story of Charlie Kirk’s murder

    On September 12, Utah Governor Spencer Cox held a press conference at which he announced the capture of a suspect, Tyler Robinson, in the shooting of Charlie Kirk.

    After providing a brief outline of what is believed to have transpired on the fateful day, Cox thanked all those who helped “find this person” and “bring justice.” He concluded his comments by saying that he was grateful that “we have an opportunity to bring closure to this very dark chapter in American history.”

    But for many observers, Cox’s tone of finality sounded premature – remarks more appropriate for the steps outside a courthouse after a guilty verdict. After all, there was no autopsy, no bullet to match the weapon, and no publicly released footage of Robinson committing the act or even being seen with the weapon.

    Internet sleuths have seized on perceived inconsistencies in the official story, while X and YouTube are rife with content questioning the narrative as it has been presented in the media. Videos analyzing various technical aspects of the shooting have routinely generated hundreds of thousands of views. Conservative commentator Candace Owens has become perhaps the most visible figure questioning the official story. Her nightly podcasts devoted to the Kirk tragedy have garnered views in the millions.

    RT takes a look at five unanswered questions about the Kirk case that are generating the most buzz in social media and the blogosphere.

    1. What do many see as odd about the claim a 30-06 Mauser was used?

    Investigators found a Mauser 30-06 in a wooded area near the site of the shooting. This weapon is being presented as what was used to kill Kirk. Robinson also referred to this weapon, which supposedly belonged to his grandfather, in a series of text messages investigators claim he sent to his roommate and lover, Lance Twiggs, shortly after the shooting.

    However, many commentators have pointed out that the 30-06 is a very high-powered rifle that is usually used to hunt larger game and that the nature of the wound suffered by Kirk is not consistent with the type of damage expected from such a weapon. Some gun experts have explained that a direct hit from a 30-06 would have removed a good portion of Kirk’s neck, exited his body, and left a blood spray in the tarp behind where he was sitting. Gun enthusiasts have released numerous videos showing the type of damage a direct hit by a 30-06 produces.

    It has also been pointed out that no photographic evidence has been released showing Robinson in possession of the rifle, and he does not appear to have it with him when seen jumping off the roof of the university building, called the Losee Center, after supposedly shooting Kirk.

    2. Why was there no exit wound?

    Related to the skepticism about the weapon is the fact that there was seemingly no exit wound. Speculation about this apparent incongruence rose to such a pitch that Turning Point USA spokesman Andrew Kolvet felt compelled to address this claim in a post on X, claiming that he had just spoken with the surgeon who worked on Kirk in the hospital, who admitted that the bullet “absolutely should have gone through” and that he had “seen wounds from this caliber many times and they always just go through everything. This would have taken a moose or two down, an elk, etc.”

    But in this case, according to the unnamed surgeon, Kirk’s body stopped the bullet, which the surgeon called “an absolute miracle.”

    Many have subjected this version to ridicule, calling it implausible and an attempt to mythologize Kirk’s death. No formal autopsy has been released.

    Mike from Mrgunsngear, a popular YouTube firearms channel with nearly a million subscribers, called the likelihood of the version being advanced by the FBI and TPUSA as being “1 in 1,000 if at all.” Kolvet’s explanation has also generated significant pushback on X. The vast majority of the roughly 12,000 replies to his original post question his claims.









    3. Why is there no footage of the shot being taken despite CCTV footage covering the whole roof?

    Shortly after the shooting, the FBI released footage of the purported shooter running on the roof of the Losee Center, from which he is supposed to have fired at Kirk. Footage then shows the individual running across the roof and jumping down onto the ground on the other side of the building.


    The roof of the Losee Center from where Tyler Robinson is supposed to have shot Charlie Kirk. The yellow arrow indicates approximately where Robinson may have taken the shot.

    However, many commentators have noted that the footage from the surveillance camera, which covers the whole roof of the building, only picks up when the individual is running. If the shooting happened on the roof and the entire roof is visible in the frame of the camera, then the authorities would be in possession of the footage that undeniably links Robinson to the crime. The question many are asking is why the footage was edited so that it starts with the suspect running rather than taking the shot or at least clutching the rifle.



    A freeze-frame of the FBI-released video showing the suspect running across the roof of the Losee Center. The footage picks up here with the suspect (outlined in red) moving left to right.

    Many people have therefore questioned whether Robinson was indeed the shooter and whether the shot was in fact taken from the front.

    4. Why was the crime scene not cordoned off?

    Many commentators and social media users are wondering why the scene of the shooting wasn’t immediately cordoned off and the perimeter secured.

    Not just was the site not cordoned off, but a man was filmed taking down the camera that had been mounted right behind Kirk, even moving the chair that Kirk had been sitting on in order to reach the camera above. He is subsequently seen placing the camera on a table, looking around furtively, and then removing the SD card.

    Candace Owens later identified the man as a TPUSA employee and reached out to him. The man, who has not been identified, told Owens that he secured the footage in order to turn it over to the authorities. He refused to release it publicly, although, according to Owens, he did allow her to view it over a FaceTime call.



    Moments after Charlie Kirk was shot, a TPUSA employee was filmed removing a security camera mounted right behind where Kirk had been sitting. The employee stood on the chair on which Kirk had been sitting to reach the camera.

    Tampering with a crime scene can be a felony in the state of Utah, but no attempt to hold the man legally accountable has been made. Meanwhile, a Fox News report from just four days after the shooting claims that the site of the tent where Kirk was shot was being rebuilt, with the grass ripped up and new pavement laid down. Many commentators have questioned why the crime scene was given a remake so quickly.



    5. Why has the text message exchange between Robinson and his lover raised eyebrows?


    The text message exchange released by prosecutors has ignited a storm of skepticism about the authenticity of the conversation. Many commentators point out that the tone of the exchange seems unnatural and some of the vocabulary seems unlikely to be used by someone of Robinson’s generation.

    Others also note that Robinson, despite boasting of having left no evidence, essentially incriminates himself on nearly every key point. No timestamps for the messages were released.

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    Default Re: Charlie Kirk assassinated, 10 Sept 2025

    I didn't expect Juan O Savin to say what he does here about the Kirk shooting.

    A superchat viewer asked if we can trust Erika Kirk ?

    I expected one of Juan's long drawn out rambles that first takes the heat of the question and then rounds up with a pro 'Christian Zionist' status quo conclusion. Oddly, but perhaps not entirely off-TrumpScript now that Trump has noticeably shifted his stance on a few things, Juan's answer was not, and far from, a yes. He's suspicious about the whole damn thing from start to finish, not just the wonky FBI narrative.

    I'm not going to embed this YT video because I want it to start at the right place to hear the question and reply, which is at 1 hour 1 minute and 22 seconds.

    https://www.youtube.com/live/jctXOUu...uG5YFzm&t=3682

    I'm very curious to find out if Juan gets told to shut up and never talk like that again, or if he keeps the issue open in future interviews.
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    If you can tolerate Alex Jones' excruciating every-30-seconds interruptions , this is really very interesting indeed.

    The Charlie Kirk Assassination is Now Officially A Coverup



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    Default Re: Charlie Kirk assassinated, 10 Sept 2025

    This is the same guy (Nate Cornacchia), with no Alex and no interruptions, this time taking about the autopsy — or not.

    Did Charlie Kirk Have an Autopsy or Not? Conflicting Reports Surface.


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    Default Re: Charlie Kirk assassinated, 10 Sept 2025

    The media narrative about Tyler Robinson is a lie

    A concerning clip from Candace saying the media reports that Tyloer Robinson is suicidal is a lie. Concerning, but plausible and bs spin. Isn't it time the msn stopped treating the public like imorons?
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    Default Re: Charlie Kirk assassinated, 10 Sept 2025

    Very detailed analysis by Chris Martensen (of Peak Prosperity), including balistic tests. Calm and logical. Martensen's estimation is that the shot came from another angle than what the FBI is claiming, i.e. more to the left of Charlie. And that the calibre of the gun had to be smaller than a 30-06. Martensen also explain how the initial shock wave of the hit blew up Charlie's shirt etc. Shows several ballistic tests in gel targets where this is obvious in slow motion recordings.

    Analysis Solves Kirk Case—Evidence Points Away From Robinson’s Position


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    Considering all of the above analysis from so many parties that converge over and over again with the conclusion that the official version of this murder cannot be true, I think we should be concerned about the safety of Tyler Robinson while he's in jail. I've seen online comments below some of the above videos stating that he's likely to be 'suicided'. Personally I think there's a risk that he'll be manipulated or coerced in some way or other to make up a 'confession' in court. Very sad. Nobody will be convinced and that will only increase mistrust and chaos.

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    Quote Posted by Rizotto (here)
    Very detailed analysis by Chris Martensen (of Peak Prosperity), including balistic tests. Calm and logical. Martensen's estimation is that the shot came from another angle than what the FBI is claiming, i.e. more to the left of Charlie. And that the calibre of the gun had to be smaller than a 30-06. Martensen also explain how the initial shock wave of the hit blew up Charlie's shirt etc. Shows several ballistic tests in gel targets where this is obvious in slow motion recordings.

    Analysis Solves Kirk Case—Evidence Points Away From Robinson’s Position

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    Considering all of the above analysis from so many parties that converge over and over again with the conclusion that the official version of this murder cannot be true, I think we should be concerned about the safety of Tyler Robinson while he's in jail. I've seen online comments below some of the above videos stating that he's likely to be 'suicided'. Personally I think there's a risk that he'll be manipulated or coerced in some way or other to make up a 'confession' in court. Very sad. Nobody will be convinced and that will only increase mistrust and chaos.
    This is Chris Martenson's added text overview, which may be valuable to read.

    ~~~
    The Charlie Kirk shooting was traumatic, and the country will never be the same afterward. We deserve to know what happened. Accordingly, I have fired up another Citizens’ Investigation to see what we can uncover in our pursuit of truth.

    After conducting extensive analysis of available information, I have a high degree of confidence in the following:
    • Tyler Robinson did not take the kill shot from the Losee Center sniper position we’ve all been led to believe was ‘the spot.’
    • The bullet that struck Charlie was a high-velocity rifle round, which did, indeed, stay in his body.
    • That kill shot had to have been taken from a location offering both a steeper angle into his body and a higher off-axis angle.
    We can say these things after reviewing a critical video released on September 24th, which fortuitously captured the overpressure moment in Charlie’s neck and upper torso during one of the video frames.

    The only possible way for that bullet to have struck Charlie’s neck in such a fashion as to ricochet downward further into his body was for it to have hit his neck at a much steeper downward angle and a much higher off-axis angle.

    With medium confidence, we can begin to point to some other possible sniping locations. However, until (and unless) we get more definitive information about the (allegedly) recovered bullet and its initial path into Charlie’s body, we cannot do more than point to the entire roofline of the adjacent Sorensen Center building as the most logical and obvious sniper location.

    Further, we can rule out palm pistols, phone guns, and exploding mics from the available evidence we now have. None of those could have caused the severe overpressure and near instant death (“pugilist pose”) and heart stoppage (no carotid spurting, only jugular drainage) that we all saw.

    That combination of observed effects can only have been caused by a very sudden and large event, such as a high-velocity rifle round with its thousands of ft/lbs of energy.

    As the old saying goes, do you know what a person who’s been shot by a pistol does next? Whatever they were doing before they were shot. That’s because pistol rounds basically make a hole through a body. Unless they hit the brain, heart, or spinal column directly all they can do is punch a hole and cause blood to begin leaking out.

    Rifle rounds are different because they are traveling at supersonic speeds and much of their damage is caused by the enormous cavitation bubbles they create within the first ~1 foot of body impact. In this episode, I cover all of this and bring the receipts so everybody can understand what rifle rounds do.

    One thing they do not do is deflect easily and head off in new direction. At least not appreciably over the ~5-6 inches of soft neck width that would have been in play for a shot taken by Tyler Robinson from his putative sniper position on the Losee Center Building.

    Sure, if you hit something like a branch or a twig, a rifle round may deflect off of a target dozens or even hundreds of yards downrange.

    But over a few inches? No way. The question becomes, what force would be required to convert a 10-degree downsloping round trajectory into a 45-degree angle to penetrate his body and remain lodged there? To deflect a bullet meaningfully over such a short range, physics apply. Invoking Newton, for every force there’s an equal and opposite force. To deflect a bullet with ~2,000 ft/lbs of energy would require just over 12,000 pounds-force; not something a human neck and head can provide.

    Even the wimpiest consumer .30-06 round will be carrying nearly 2,000 ft/lbs of energy at 140 yards and traveling in a very straight line.

    Which is exactly what it’s going to continue doing unless acted upon by a structure capable of meeting some or all of the force.

    A neck struck off to the side, where Charlie’s was struck, is nothing but soft tissue. It’s ridiculous to propose that the bullet magically deflected off of that soft tissue, in just an inch or two, so that it could bend down into his chest cavity at a much steeper angle.

    To suggest that is to suggest that sometimes buildings just fall at free-fall speed due to office fires. They don’t, and bullets do not suddenly veer off in new directions when they are carrying the majority of their muzzle energy after encountering soft, bone-free tissue.

    Finally, we dispense with the idea that Charlie was wearing body armor. He wasn’t, and that’s easily proven from existing photos from the event. Even a compression t-shirt arrangement would have left visible lines under his thin-material t-shirt. None can be seen from any angle.

    I hereby call upon law enforcement authorities to release the full and unedited videos from all buildings and angles from that day, and for TPUSA to release the recordings from the cameras and microphones that were on or right beside the stage that day.

    In a future episode, I hope to be able to resolve the audio files into a coherent story. So far, I cannot, and I fear that someone has been removing source files and flooding the field with garbage in an attempt to hide the truth.

    Please, let me know what you think, whether I’ve made the case for the major claims, and whether you have a different interpretation of the physical events and video evidence we do have.

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    Default Re: Charlie Kirk assassinated, 10 Sept 2025

    Firstly God rest his soul.

    Now onto politics, left, right, both controlled, they like to balance between them. When one side gets too strong, the other side will rise, and vice versa, but ultimately trying to maintain a balance. Neither side is organic, all artificial, the world's a stage. Chessboard. All of these prominent figures are sadly, industry plants.

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    • Did An EXPLODING MICROPHONE Kill Charlie Kirk???:
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    Default Re: Charlie Kirk assassinated, 10 Sept 2025

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    That kill shot had to have been taken from a location offering both a steeper angle into his body and a higher off-axis angle.
    It seems that Chris Martenson concludes that the highly visible wound in Charlie's neck, left side (from his orientation), is the entry wound, because he takes the coincident ballooning of Charlie's tee-shirt to be the over pressure explosion of the entering round.

    If that tee-shirt ballooning is Charlie's necklace pulling his shirt up, as the necklace is pulled (as Chris does discuss, around the 34 minute mark) away from Charlie's neck, then Chris has the sequence of events backwards.

    I'm figuring that the initial force on Charlie's necklace was below Charlie's right ear, and the necklace, being blown off Charlie's neck from his right ear pulled the necklace and helped create the "ballooning tee-shirt". This is the opposite direction from what Chris Martenson is figuring.

    From the 32:53 to the 36:13 marks, Chris Martenson draws Charlie's necklace as a bright greenish-blue circle around Charlie's neck, as if it were entirely worn by Charlie above his tee-shirt and openly visible. That's not accurate. Charlie's necklace was mostly hidden underneath and below the collar of his tee-shirt. If the necklace was pulled hard and fast up and away from his neck, the necklace could have pulled the tee-shirt collar up, and could have caused the ballooning we see.

    By then potentially getting the path of the bullet backwards, and potentially confusing the cause of the tee-shirt ballooning, Chris Martenson can conclude that there is no exit wound, making the one wound we all did see necessarily the entry wound, even though it's bigger and bleeding blood faster than one might expect if that were the entry wound.

    Also, Chris Martenson continues to discuss the trajectory of a .30-06 ("thirty aught six") round. As soon as we consider other possible shooters, as both Chris and I would, we no longer can make any a priori assumptions as to what caliber that round was.

    Also, I would guess that the vertical angle downward that a bullet entering at the neck wound we all saw, and ending up in Charlie's torso would be higher than from any surrounding roof top ... but that's uncertain speculation on my part ... however not a detail that Chris uses his protractor to analyze.

    Chris Martenson always spends time in such analyses, over the years, explaining how careful and methodical he is. As Shakespeare said, the lady (the man in this case) doth protest too much.
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