Charlie Kirk assassinated, 10 Sept 2025

[Victoria]

I was curious about the date this event occurred. Being that I do not have a lot of time to do uninterrupted research right now, I instead opted for the easy thing and asked ChatGPT. (I know we're not supposed to utilize that for posts on Avalon, but the response seemed applicable to this thread...and quite interesting!)

I asked: Does 17 elul hold any significance?

These were the ChatGPT answers and I underlined some of what I found most interesting:

"Yes — 17 Elul does carry traditional significance in Jewish / Kabbalistic lore. Below are some of the classic associations, symbolic meanings, and how those might be adapted or interpreted in an esoteric or occult framework."

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"17 Elul 5785 indeed corresponds exactly to September 10, 2025 on the Gregorian calendar. Here’s how it lines up:

Year Hebrew Date Gregorian Date Day of Week
5785 (2025)י״ז אלול 5785 (17 Elul 5785) Wednesday, September 10, 2025

"September 10 2025 has: Astrological tension (Sun conjunct South Node in Virgo; Moon opposite Mars, square Pluto).

Occult numerology of 9 → 10 (transition/completion).

Now, Kabbalistic grounding as 17 Elul — a day of reckoning for speech, judgment, and realignment before the Days of Awe.

That combination makes it a potent intersection of Western esoteric, astrological, and Hebrew-mystical symbolism — all pointing toward purification, self-examination, and preparation for transformation.


----So in the Jewish / Kabbalistic framework, 17 Elul isn’t a high festival like Rosh Hashanah or Yom Kippur, but it is marked by serious historical / moral memory. It is associated especially with consequences of speech, accountability, and atonement.

----------Here are a few of the things that Jewish tradition attributes to the 17th of Elul:

Event / Tradition Description Symbolic / Theological Implication

Death of the Spies (Meraglim)

In Numbers 14:37, it is said that the men (the spies) who brought a negative report about the Land of Israel died “by plague before the LORD.”

Tradition holds that this occurred on 17 Elul.

Orthodox Union+1 The event is often used as a warning about lashon hara (evil speech, slander) and the power of negative speech.

The spies “slandered” the land (trees, stones) — how much worse when human beings are slandered.

Orthodox Union Yom Tov in Megillat Taanit

Some sources record that 17 Elul is commemorated (in Megillat Taanit) for the removal of Roman-imposed burdens, such as oppressive taxes, on the Jewish people.

One Messianic Gentile

This gives 17 Elul a kind of “feast within adversity” shade — a day where a calamity reversed or pressure was eased.


Other Events / Commemorations—

In “This Month in Jewish History” sources, 17 Elul is connected with tragedies and events (e.g. massacre in Caesarea, medieval blood-libel events) torahtots.com

— Some sources also note that on 17 Elul, in older lore, the spies died. torahtots.com

These associations cast 17 Elul as a date with a tension between judgment / consequences and possible deliverance (removal of burdens).



Symbolic & Qabalistic Interpretations (Occult Adaptations)

Given those traditional roots, here’s how one might interpret or work with 17 Elul in a more esoteric / magical / Qabalistic way:


Speech, Truth & Words as Power

Because the spies’ slander is the central story, 17 Elul can become a day to audit one’s speech, to expose lies or hidden negativity, and to purify how one communicates (internally and externally).

It’s a good day for ritual of verbal cleansing, forgiveness of slander, and re-aligning with integrity in language and intention.

Consequences / Judgment As Memory Gate

17 Elul stands at the intersection of “past misdeeds meeting future accountability” — you might see it as a “shadow reckoning point” in one’s annual spiritual cycle.

In magical work, you could use it as a portal for balancing karmic weights, releasing what must be judged, letting go of what no longer serves.

Threshold Between Mercy & Justice

Elul is a time when Divine mercy is drawn close before the Days of Awe (Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur).

17 Elul lies in the mid-zone of that approach.

Ritual / Commemoration

You could institute a ritual on 17 Elul:

recitation of texts about speech and accountability (e.g. Psalms, or Qabalistic permutations of Divine names), perhaps confession or poetic repentance.

It could also be used as a focal date in the calendar of your lodge or magical order to revisit lessons of integrity, and the power of logos.

Numerology / Gematria

The number 17 in gematria (Hebrew) corresponds to “tov” (טוֹב) meaning “good.”

So 17 Elul might carry a hidden thread: even in the face of error or judgment, there is an opening to goodness or correction.

You might meditate on that duality: the “error / slander” and the “good / repair.”

Bridge Date

Because Elul is preparatory, 17 Elul can be seen as a stepping-stone day — not yet the final reckoning, but a moment to check direction, shift course, and ready for the high threshold ahead."

[bojancan]

Candace coming out with receipts... facts... messages... its....it's becoming another Saga... I salute Candace... only her that want the truth in the circles of TP... about death of CK... as watching Live... Interesting!


Oct, 7
TPUSA RESPONDS: Yes, The Text Messages Are Real. | Candace Ep 249

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=5autG89PW6w

Turning Point responds to the release of the group chat messages, X has a meltdown, and a Turning Point donor publishes a touching letter regarding me.

[ExomatrixTV]

source

[Rizotto]

Personally, I find it horrifying that, even in this day and age, religion is still used to manipulated & pitch people against each other. The so-called 'christians' are just as easily manipulated in this way as with any other religious groups.

In my locality, the zionist christians are currently posting endless hysterical anti-muslim historically inaccurate drivel on local online pages. If I try to post some historical facts, I'm accused of posting on behalf of my 'Islamist handlers'. (I've previously made it clear that I'm not affiliated with any religion.) The internet is currently flooded with Israel and zionists postings against muslims/islam.

As per the above post of a an undated Charlie Kirk's speech, it appears that Kirk is oblivious to the fact that USA's founding fathers wrote a constitution calling for the separation of church and state. They were NOT enshrining 'christendom' into the constitution. (Correct me if I'm wrong.)

I wonder when exactly Kirk made the above speech, and if his views had shifted on this in the weeks prior to his assassination. Anybody knows anything about this?

[gini]

OOps i just see this was posted already ,excuse. (but its a crucial report anyway) --´TPUSA RESPONDS: Yes, The Text Messages Are Real. ´| Candace Ep 249

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=5autG89PW6w

. - -- - 7/10/25- - -1.05 min- - -Turning Point responds to the release of the group chat messages, X has a meltdown, and a Turning Point donor publishes a touching letter regarding me.

00:00 - Start.
01:03 - X has a meltdown and TPUSA addresses the text messages.
28:19 - Robert J. O'Neill questions the Charlie Kirk assassination narrative.
34:36 - Lingering questions and where is Lance Twiggs?
43:13 - John & Irina Mappin's touching letter.
57:46 - Comments.

[ExomatrixTV]

• NEW VIDEO EVIDENCE Exposes Charlie Kirk's CROOKED SECURITY TEAM:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=_bmq0GmTuRE

quote: "I am skeptical of the Charlie Kirk incident. Going over some new footage I found of the event Charlie Kirk was assassinated at - and seeing new angles of Charlie's security team looks very suspicious. One guy in particular looked like a blatant criminal. The security team continued to send subtle signals to one another moments before Charlie Kirk was shot".

[Tintin]

Okay, just placing this here: the trunk of the car?: (can be played without the spooky overdubbed music)



Scroll through this thread and it also looks as if Jason Goodman agrees

When I'd suggested much earlier in this thread that something about this reminded of the Columbo Goes to College film, I may not have been too far out

[Merkaba360]

Posted by Rizotto (here)
Interesting interview where good questions are asked. Stephen Gardner provides new information on some details I hadn't heard before. He actually went to UVU and climbed the building where the alleged shooting took place.

But there's a serious glitch in one of Stephen's comments, at 6:00 where he relates that the autopsy findings where that the bullet hit Charlie's neck just below the jawline, and destroyed vertebra C2 to C7. In fact, videos show that the wound is much lower down on his neck, almost next to the collarbone. How could that bullet his the C2 vertebra?

Quite telling that the whole internet is ablaze discussing this tragic event, even sober geopolitical analysts are expressing their skepticism about the official story.

BREAKING: Charlie Kirk Crime Scene Details /Stephen Gardner & Lt Col Daniel Davis

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=VrXO7vpvT5Q

I haven't watched all the videos, but the Jason Goodman video frame analysis looks like a trajectory from behind toward the top of his neck. Then with the exit wound being in his lower neck and going into his shirt, that would mean it was a lower powered air gun or whatever, hit his upper neck in the back and deflected off the vertebrae down to come out his lower neck. With little force remaining, went into his shirt causing that weird shirt movement. Or a frangible bullet or whatever its called, that would be mostly gone or tiny pieces when exiting and maybe more wind pressure and tiny shrapnel remaining blowing into his shirt. That very downward deflection would make sense how it came out his lower neck and was able to affect the shirt so much.

I don't know much about guns, but I believe certain kinds of bullets can do weird bounces inside the body. The strange shape of vertebrae seem like an easy way for a small low powered bullet to get deflected quite a bit. Anyone see anything unreasonable with this possibility?

[Tintin]

Posted by Tintin (here)
Okay, just placing this here: the trunk of the car?: (can be played without the spooky overdubbed music)



Scroll through this thread and it also looks as if Jason Goodman agrees

When I'd suggested much earlier in this thread that something about this reminded of the Columbo Goes to College film, I may not have been too far out

For reference purposes, and thanks to whoever put this on YouTube

It's a 10 minute segment and obviously for those who haven't watched the movie this qualifies as a spoiler. Still, you'll understand why about a month or so ago I'd suggested something very similar may have been deployed as a method. In these closing few scenes you'll notice that the mechanism is in the hood, not the trunk:



The Finale of Columbo Goes To College | Columbo

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=2maqg-LSE5s

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As Jason Goodman correctly pointed out in his Redacted interview a couple weeks ago the perpetrators will have of course left a trail of decoys. There's been a lot of that, a lot of distraction.

[Rizotto]

I can't recommend enough watching the videos of Candace Owen's investigation of the assassination of her friend Charlie Kirk.
There's something extraordinary going on with this case, which has huge implications for the US and the world, and Candace's is exuding an energy that is connected to the truth at a higher level. I pray for her safety...

Candace's videos on this case are grouped on her youtube channel under the "Live" menu item. Here is the link: https://www.youtube.com/@RealCandaceO/streams

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Even if the following video of Trump's answer has already been posted in the threads above, I think we should take another look. What do you see?
Personally, I am certain that the cabal that's controlling Trump is the same that's been involved in Charlie's assassination.
You know, the same cabal that persuaded Trump to declare that the Epstein affair is a "hoax".

On Cam: Trump Asked About Charlie Kirk, But Answers About New Ballroom, Then Social Media Explodes

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=gh0akKyvePc

[bojancan]

Few minutes ago... listen Live... Very interesting happening in inner circle of TPUSA... yes, I am following her with this topic now..
Regarding passion of finding the truth about death of CK... I am wondering, why his wife Erika is not so passionate as Candace or more to be natural for a wife... finding the truth about the death of his beloved husband and father?????? Strange!!!

Oct, 8
Charlie's Final Hours. What Else Is Josh Hammer Lying About? | Candace Ep 250

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=2Riv3I7D0Yk

Josh Hammer says that he and a Rabbi had a long talk with Charlie the night before he died, and for weeks after Charlie's assassination Hammer obsessively accused people of lying, grifting, and of attempting to destroy Charlie Kirk’s legacy. But what took place in that conversation?

[bojancan]

I am adding, placing also here Monologue from George G... always excellent! Very true....


Oct, 8
MONOLOGUE: It's not looking good for the peace prize Donald!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=XWDOv3HMTOs

Charlie Kirk and Israel's m*rder motive. TikTok goes Israeli. Kidnapped by pirates. And Disneyland for Trump and his in-laws

[T Smith]

A slight aside from the all analysis of who killed Charlie Kirk and why.

Here’s the thing:

As a student of the polarization dynamic we are living through (that may well result in civil war), I am perplexed by the lack of real knowledge and understanding that exists in each bubble.

Here is a statistic to ponder:

4 out of 10 leftists—who consider themselves savvy and well-versed in all things politics—had no idea who Charle Kirk was until September 10, 2025. (And this may even be a low estimate). Though I shouldn’t be, I was utterly shocked to learn this. I have also personally confirmed this among the non-scientific sample of my acquaintances. Of my hard-core leftist friends, more than 40% have admitted (reluctantly) that they had no idea who Charle Kirk was.

Let that sink in. We all live in our echo-chamber bubbles where much of the political landscape (or its underlying drive) is blinded to us. That which isn’t blinded to us is skewed to such a degree that we can’t see it for what it is (I like to believe those of us here at Avalon are the exception to this observation) but even those of us with the most open minds and most honed critical-thinking proclivities may still be susceptible to the sophisticated degree of propaganda that is driving this dynamic.

Here is the more alarming statistic. Of the 40% of leftists who had no idea who Charlie Kirk was, their only perception of him now, post September 10, is what their bubble has brought them up to speed to understand and believe about who he was, pre September 10, as an activist, ideologist, husband, father, man. Which is an utterly false paradigm. The other 60% who already had an inkling of who Charlie Kirk was had already inculcated pre-conceived perceptions that supported their biases, based on their programming. In other words, nearly all in this demographic sill have no idea who Charlie Kirk was.

Let all this sink in. This is what we’re dealing with. I really don’t know what the remedy is to this tower of Babel moment we are all living in. But I sure as hell have a hard time translating—communicating—with my neighbor who is screaming loudly to try to make me understand, but doesn’t speak or understand not one of my words.

Carry on. Just my random thoughts for the day.

[ExomatrixTV]

• Candace Owens Is Preparing For HER OWN MURDER!:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=v42DkJtd7_o

[bojancan]

Oct, 9
Candace Owens
5.39M subscribers
REVELATIONS: The Truth About Charlie's Medical Report | Candace Ep 251

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=pc3pxRyNFZk

We were told that Charlie had healthy bones and it was a miracle that his spine stopped a bullet. I can now officially debunk that story. Plus, Josh Hammer has released text messages between him and Charlie. He doesn't realize that the text messages make his story line even less credulous.

[thepainterdoug]

The revelations Candace Owens shares in the video posted by Bojocan i found surprising, since I have strayed off interest in this story for a while. i like Candace and feel she is genuine and honest in her motives and reasoning and truly brave to speak them . In light of all that has been reevaluated since the shooting, to hear her be so sure he was shot from the front was quite surprising to me. And that could only be true if the gun was not the gun they originally speak of. Another shooter, closer and with a less powerful gun had to be what did this because no bullet left the back of his neck. Many more unanswered issues rise from this.
On another note she speaks of the alleged deal with Hamas and Israel for this peace plan and raises the sad truths of this reality that should make us all quite sad. This is all built upon eternal lies so deep that we seem to need to forget them to move on. Lies piled upon lies over so much time and bloodshed reminds me of the celebration at Thanksgiving dinner when we are forced to forget the turkeys we killed and are consuming for our enjoyment. This is life, human life with all its hypocrisy's we must live with and I feel the Nobel prize is **** to even be cared about.

[Bill Ryan]

For those with the time and interest to follow this — a full two and a half hours — here we have ex-Green Beret Nate Cornacchia's excellent overview of all the (apparent) evidence so far. It covers a lot more ground than the short video title suggests.
(But towards the end of the livestream, he goes way off topic with a angry diatribe against Trump)

Charlie Kirk Autopsy Report Does NOT Show a .30-06 Round Now? w/ Stephen Gardner

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=INZpWjBdXEw

[TrumanCash]

Thanks for the video above, Bill. I had not seen the probable cause document before so it was very enlightening since there's been so much speculation.

Given what is presented in this document and related videos Tyler Robinson will be found not guilty if--and this is a big IF--the trial and jury are not rigged since there is no "probable cause" or IF Tyler ends up dead before or during the trial. There is so much "reasonable doubt" that the case is like swiss cheese, except there is no cheese, only holes.

[ExomatrixTV]

• Candace Owens Reveals New TWO SHOOTER Theory Of Kirk Assassination! w/ Ian Carroll:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ti77Qtq5rLs

Candace Owens is now claiming that there may have been two shooters involved in Charlie Kirk’s assassination, based on her analysis of the wound, bullet fragments, and eyewitness accounts of hearing two shots. Owens argues that the trajectory and lack of an exit wound contradict the official story and that federal agents may be influencing witnesses to support a single-shooter narrative. Jimmy and guest Ian Carroll debate ballistic possibilities, including angles of entry and spinal damage, suggesting inconsistencies with the reported weapon and location of the shooter. They conclude by saying the missing bullet raises major suspicions and liken the situation to other government cover-ups.

[Blastolabs]

Looking at all the information the most obvious explanation seems to be that he faked his own death.

The official story doesn't align with the videos and the whole story about the shooter makes no sense at all.