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    Dear Friends, I'd like to share my thoughts about the huge missteps the human race has made over the last few millennia, and where ET cultures that have survived have all avoided these society-destroying pitfalls. I'll list below my strong perceptions of the latter.

    It's VERY hard to think outside the box about what we feel is the self-evident 'normal' way we somehow surely have to live. But there are many other ways.

    Of course, some of this was described in John Lennon's Imagine. Lennon was labeled as a 'Marxist'. But 'Marxism', 'communism' and 'socialism' are all now demeaning slurs, to some extent justified by 20th century history. Yet most if not all ET societies that have survived and thrived are FAR more socialist and egalitarian in nature, instinct and structure than today's dog-eat-dog capitalism, greed and competitiveness that will destroy our entire planet unless other factors intervene.
    • Differing religions and belief systems, some fiercely adversarial to one another.
    • Nation states with different structures of governance, competing for land, influence and resources.
    • The very existence of 'money', and everything that follows from that.
    • An almost universally corrupted 'democratic' process, especially in the 'west'.
    • A brutal, almost collectively psychopathic lack of respect for and understanding of the global ecosystem and all other living things.
    • Individual ownership, also competitive, often greed-and-fear based, and indirectly connected with the enormous elephant-in-the-room 'money' issue.
    • The formation and existence of secret societies, sometimes linked to religion an belief systems, which cause immense damage by fire-walling important knowledge from others.
    • (...and in the last 200 years) The global industrial and technological revolution, without any spiritual context, brakes or restraints.
    Meanwhile:

    Does anyone think that, in any one currently thriving ET culture:
    • Their planetary society features competing and even warring ET nation-states?
    • Some ETs there are 'rich' while others are 'poor'?
    • The ETs there have differing spiritual belief systems?
    • The ETs there have large, competing private corporations, some of which are more powerful than their systems of what we would call 'government'?
    • The ETs there individually play their stock markets?


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    Just like an alcoholic the world needs an intervention.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Dear Friends, I'd like to share my thoughts about the huge missteps the human race has made over the last few millennia, and where ET cultures that have survived have all avoided these society-destroying pitfalls. I'll list below my strong perceptions of the latter.

    It's VERY hard to think outside the box about what we feel is the self-evident 'normal' way we somehow surely have to live. But there are many other ways.

    Of course, some of this was described in John Lennon's Imagine. Lennon was labeled as a 'Marxist'. But 'Marxism', 'communism' and 'socialism' are all now demeaning slurs, to some extent justified by 20th century history. Yet most if not all ET societies that have survived and thrived are FAR more socialist and egalitarian in nature, instinct and structure than today's dog-eat-dog capitalism, greed and competitiveness that will destroy our entire planet unless other factors intervene.
    • Differing religions and belief systems, some fiercely adversarial to one another.
    • Nation states with different structures of governance, competing for land, influence and resources.
    • The very existence of 'money', and everything that follows from that.
    • An almost universally corrupted 'democratic' process, especially in the 'west'.
    • A brutal, almost collectively psychopathic lack of respect for and understanding of the global ecosystem and all other living things.
    • Individual ownership, also competitive, often greed-and-fear based, and indirectly connected with the enormous elephant-in-the-room 'money' issue.
    • The formation and existence of secret societies, sometimes linked to religion an belief systems, which cause immense damage by fire-walling important knowledge from others.
    • (...and in the last 200 years) The global industrial and technological revolution, without any spiritual context, brakes or restraints.
    Meanwhile:

    Does anyone think that, in any one currently thriving ET culture:
    • Their planetary society features competing and even warring ET nation-states?
    • Some ETs there are 'rich' while others are 'poor'?
    • The ETs there have differing spiritual belief systems?
    • The ETs there have large, competing private corporations, some of which are more powerful than their systems of what we would call 'government'?
    • The ETs there individually play their stock markets?

    Thought provoking. I'd like to say that 'none of the above' would apply to higher evolved beings, and that would be true. I think. However, that we can't be the only backward civilisation in the universe, indeed, that there is very likely to be many others, struggling, on the same, or similar level to us. Higher evolved beings would, I think, be many millions of years older than us and I truly think that they, too, would have gone through our 'process' of evolution before seeing 'the light'. How can they not, otherwise?
    'Wisdom' is not a given - it has to earned, worked at, and to get there, a civilisation HAS to go through a very tough learning process, like we are currently doing and this takes a very long time in the scheme of things.

    I believe we will get there, but it has to said, with all humility, that we are in the very early stages of our evolution and subsequent acceptance into the Galactic community. We need to ditch our sense of superiority and arrogance Yes, it feels like we've been here 'forever' but really, we've only just got started and have just put our feet on the first rung.

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    Whose to say that some of those ETs are not the actual civilization of Terra?

    We could be living in an overlay of high tech that keeps that knowledge from our awareness.
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    We're different to other civilisations though. Very different, in that we've had our connection to Source removed. Without it, we're spiritually hamstrung. We're deaf, dumb, and blind. Being deaf, dumb and blind has brought us to where we are now. To a complete and utter mess. It's a wonder we've survived this long.

    This is the planet of separation. It's the third-density playground of complete free will. It's meant to be this way - at least for now. We cannot really hold up a mirror to other, more advanced ET civilisations. They follow a totally different evolutionary track to us. They don't have free will like we do. We are not them. At the same time, we also are them in a way. The majority of incarnate souls on this planet once lived among the stars. They came here to learn the hard lessons and so accelerate their learning; to better reveal their hidden inner selves via trauma, stress, division, and separation -- via pressure, like crushing rock to get at the diamond beneath. That's the purpose of Earth. It wasn't always this way. Once, long ago, we were much closer to our cosmic brothers and sisters, in both knowledge and frequency. Then something happened. No one knows what exactly, but it resulted in that free will being given to humanity. Maybe it was collectively asked for? With free will comes separation -- a severing of the link to God and our higher selves. That's what free will essentially is. It's the quality of being a free, autonomous and completely individualised entity. Not one part of a greater whole -- a disconnected singular self. Only in that condition can you explore true freedom. Only that way do you experience duality. That's what the apple plucked by Eve in Genesis is all about. That was the beginning of the fall of Man. We embraced the darkness, to understand the darkness. It resulted in the destruction of the old world, Atlantis. That drama continues to the present day.

    Humanity on this planet has travelled a very different path to most ET races. There might be other planets out there much like this, some better off, some worse, but I suspect that we on Earth are the exception rather than the rule. That's another reason why ETs come to Earth to watch us, study us, possibly even protect us, and from ourselves more than anything. Earth is a petri dish for young, growing souls. We incarnate here to develop consciousness and find ourselves. And it's very much a school of hard knocks. But it shouldn't really take this long to transcend any need to be here. The real kicker for us has been karma. It's the karmic wheel that has kept us coming back, life after life after life. Then again, it's easy to repeat mistakes when you don't understand the consequences. It comes with the territory of being deaf, dumb, and blind!
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    I also cannot imagine that advanced civilizations have not gotten greed and its consequences under control.
    On the other hand, I find Marshall V. Summers' ideas regarding the analogy between earthly and galactic hierarchies or operating principles to be understandable.
    Thus, there are also light and dark sides to the other civilizations surrounding us, and there are also laws that must be obeyed on pain of expulsion.
    Perhaps on Earth, something “only” got “out of hand” thousands of years ago in the constant natural interplay of forces.
    The reasons are speculative, but one of the possible reasons is certainly related to the civilizational nature of our diet and the associated changes in the functioning of our nervous system.
    This then gives rise, on a small scale, to broken families and, on a large scale, to wars and even the destruction of the planet.
    Untangling the Gordian knot is probably the key to connecting with civilizations that have already mastered this.

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    Wow . .

    What's with all this big certainty about "ET Societies" Bill ?

    This kind of talk is throwback stuff. As if it's something that your intellectual ego has been seething and gurgling for ages waiting for a pot-shot moment.

    You nor I nor anybody knows a damned thing about "ET societies".

    Is it a jack-up of comfortable escapism ?
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    Quote Posted by norman (here)
    Wow . .

    What's with all this big certainty about "ET Societies" Bill ?

    This kind of talk is throwback stuff. As if it's something that your intellectual ego has been seething and gurgling for ages waiting for a pot-shot moment.

    You nor I nor anybody knows a damned thing about "ET societies".

    Is it a jack-up of comfortable escapism ?
    Thanks for the post! (And I mean that. I'm happy to have generated an interesting discussion.)

    But to answer a question with a question: what makes you think I'd start a thread — about anything at all! — without knowing at least a bit of what I'm talking about?

    Mari's post (#3 above) was one to which I've started to draft a long and fairly detailed reply, which I hope may be worthwhile to read. When (or if!) I feel it's as understandable as possible, I'll share it as best I can.

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    If Zechariah Sitchin is correct, then the E.T. civilization we have been most exposed to on this planet, the Annunaki, were just as messed up, as we supposedly are according to your musings. And they installed kingship, and trained us in warfare, and promoted gold as a form of money, from what Sitchin wrote. Furthermore, another more recent exposure to a different E.T. race, has shown how cruel they can be to all living things, both animal and human.

    Methinks, Bill, that your idealization of E.T. civilizations may be a form of projection on your part.

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    I am looking forward to hearing more too

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    Quote Posted by Mark (Star Mariner) (here)
    We're different to other civilisations though. Very different, in that we've had our connection to Source removed. Without it, we're spiritually hamstrung. We're deaf, dumb, and blind. Being deaf, dumb and blind has brought us to where we are now. To a complete and utter mess. It's a wonder we've survived this long.

    This is the planet of separation. It's the third-density playground of complete free will. It's meant to be this way - at least for now. We cannot really hold up a mirror to other, more advanced ET civilisations. They follow a totally different evolutionary track to us. They don't have free will like we do. We are not them. At the same time, we also are them in a way. The majority of incarnate souls on this planet once lived among the stars. They came here to learn the hard lessons and so accelerate their learning; to better reveal their hidden inner selves via trauma, stress, division, and separation -- via pressure, like crushing rock to get at the diamond beneath. That's the purpose of Earth. It wasn't always this way. Once, long ago, we were much closer to our cosmic brothers and sisters, in both knowledge and frequency. Then something happened. No one knows what exactly, but it resulted in that free will being given to humanity. Maybe it was collectively asked for? With free will comes separation -- a severing of the link to God and our higher selves. That's what free will essentially is. It's the quality of being a free, autonomous and completely individualised entity. Not one part of a greater whole -- a disconnected singular self. Only in that condition can you explore true freedom. Only that way do you experience duality. That's what the apple plucked by Eve in Genesis is all about. That was the beginning of the fall of Man. We embraced the darkness, to understand the darkness. It resulted in the destruction of the old world, Atlantis. That drama continues to the present day.

    Humanity on this planet has travelled a very different path to most ET races. There might be other planets out there much like this, some better off, some worse, but I suspect that we on Earth are the exception rather than the rule. That's another reason why ETs come to Earth to watch us, study us, possibly even protect us, and from ourselves more than anything. Earth is a petri dish for young, growing souls. We incarnate here to develop consciousness and find ourselves. And it's very much a school of hard knocks. But it shouldn't really take this long to transcend any need to be here. The real kicker for us has been karma. It's the karmic wheel that has kept us coming back, life after life after life. Then again, it's easy to repeat mistakes when you don't understand the consequences. It comes with the territory of being deaf, dumb, and blind!
    Yes, a school of hard knocks indeed, free-will thrown in for a chaotic experience and that we've also been messed with - our DNA altered from the original twelve strands, down to a mere two, an example of one of the 'interferences'. I do believe we still have a connection with Divinity, though much reduced (nothing could ever take that away from us) and there are signs that we are in the process of a gradual full re-connection. Agreed, we chose to experience life here according to our soul contracts and what we need to 'achieve'.
    Interestingly, it is said (verifiable channelled sources) that there has been a 'rush' for many years now, from other beings to incarnate here, because of the very rich, diverse experiences that they desire to have, which their homeland does not provide, and they are also very keen to be a part of, or witness, to the coming transformation of consciousness of the people of Earth.
    We are backward, yes, but also quite a 'special' case.

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    Methinks, Bill, that your idealization of E.T. civilizations may be a form of projection on your part.
    Thanks also. But I'm really not 'idealizing ET civilizations' here. When I refer to those civilizations 'thriving', I'm meaning that they've (a) survived, and (b) clearly continued to grow and advance in various ways.

    Readers may remember that Carl Sagan famously wrote:
    In the long run, the aggressive civilizations destroy themselves, almost always. It's their nature. They can't help it.
    I'd argue that he's likely to have been correct. But how would such civilizations have destroyed themselves, if that indeed happened many times? Because, I'd suggest, they'd have many of the same civilizational factors in play as we currently have here, and which I listed in my opening post.

    Sagan could have mentioned may other aspects of such self-destructive civilizations — not only that they're 'aggressive'. For them to self-destruct, they'd have to be aggressive and competitive against themselves, as if they were afflicted with a kind of civilizational auto-immune disease.

    I'd VERY strongly argue that that's quite a good descriptor of the current human race.

    Regarding the ET races that have survived the transition into high technology and widely expanded their influence, nothing I'm saying implies that they're necessarily peaceful, wise and benevolent. Merely that they're very likely to be organized, unified, externally focused, and not perennially engaged in internal conflict. That could apply to the most evil society (of any kind!) that one might imagine.

    I'm as sure as I can be that some (maybe many, in 2 trillion galaxies!) ET societies exist that we would regard as 'utopian'. I described one of those in my thread titled Two ET civilizations: speculations to consider.

    But readers with long memories may remember Project Camelot's infamous interview with Dr Steven Greer back in 2009: I headed the text description on that page with this quote:
    The fact that you and I are still breathing the free air of Earth is abundant testimony to the fact that these civilizations are not hostile.

    Dr Steven Greer talking to Art Bell
    8 August 2004

    In our interview (audio here, transcript here, but the Camelot YT channel was deleted), we took him to task about this. Greer was angry and hostile — ironic considering the subject matter discussed! — and the entire conversation was rather a trainwreck, the only Camelot interview I'd like to have completely redone if that would have been possible.

    I tried to present my point to Greer like this: (I'd say exactly the same thing today, also applying it to this thread)

    ~~~
    Bill:

    Just wait a second, let’s cool down and I want to just make an analogy.

    Now, an analogy that I sometimes use, and it usually results in nods of agreement, is that we’re like fishermen on a South Sea island, in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, having believed for generations that we’re the only people in the whole world.

    We’re sitting around a campfire cooking our fish and we’re trying to figure out: That big metal ship on the horizon, what do they want with us? That metal bird that keeps on circling around our island, what are they doing? Is it real? And Did you see it? And all this kind of stuff.

    We’re trying to figure out the intentions, assuming that we believe in their existence, of these other beings that we’re suddenly starting to realize might exist in our universe on this little tropical island.

    Now, the problem is that if we really do look at this as a human situation which is quite real, really, what experience do we have as South Sea island fishermen to figure out –
    Maybe they want to cut our trees down. Maybe they want to save us because the sea level’s rising and they want to take us to another island. Maybe they want our minerals, or maybe they want to convert us to Christianity. Maybe they want to eat us, kill us, or maybe they want to make friends. How do we know?
    The danger is – and this is a question now – the danger is that I’m here around this campfire with you guys and I hear you saying those other men in those big ships and those metal birds must be friendly.

    And I’m saying: Wait a minute. We need to be a little bit careful here because, actually, even though we do get into fights on this little island every now and then, how do we know we can trust them? Maybe we can, maybe we can’t. What’s your experience?

    That’s an attempt to characterize, by analogy, how complex this is. That’s why I said that it was irresponsible, as I would do if I was around that campfire, as an elder of this community saying: They’ve got to be friendly, we’ve got to trust them, you’ve got to trust them. This is what the Incas said about the Conquistadors!
    ~~~

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    Mari's post (#3 above) was one to which I've started to draft a long and fairly detailed reply, which I hope may be worthwhile to read. When (or if!) I feel it's as understandable as possible, I'll share it as best I can.
    I'm still working on that (which is entirely separate from the above), and I'll do my best to present it later today.

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    Quoting Mari: "Interestingly, it is said (verifiable channelled sources) that there has been a 'rush' for many years now, from other beings to incarnate here, because of the very rich, diverse experiences that they desire to have, which their homeland does not provide, and they are also very keen to be a part of, or witness, to the coming transformation of consciousness of the people of Earth.
    We are backward, yes, but also quite a 'special' case."

    I agree with Mari's idea that there are many E.T.'s already here, inhabiting our own bodies, as well as bodies of almost everyone we know. For the past 36 years in my one-on-one psychic counseling, I have rarely found that the people sitting in front of me are "Earthlings". Almost everyone I counsel is from some distant planet, or star. In my own case, I was born a double-Wanderer, meaning I am not from here, but my two souls at birth were both old E.T.'s that had been here about 9,000 years. That was at birth, but now things are more complicated. Thirty years ago, my spirit guides booted my birth souls out of my body, because I needed an upgrade for the work I was doing. At the moment I have three souls, one of which is Arcturian. I also have the ability to see what dimension souls resonate with, and I must say that most everyone on Earth has gone up two dimensions in their current lifetime, and this is highly unusual historically, and does seem to indicate some kind of speeding up process.

    Without saying too much about Bill, he is definitely not an Earthling.

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    I don't believe it's quite true, from the OP, that: ET cultures that have survived have all avoided these society-destroying pitfalls.

    Even if these ET races are very different to us, have evolved along different lines -- with or without duality -- they haven't got where they are without the severe and challenging trials and tribulations that are part and parcel of evolution. Even, say, god-like ninth-density galactic empires once had a humble beginning. They may not have had pollution or politics or usury or child abuse or nuclear war or any of the horrors we experience on this world, but they had their own huge stumbling blocks to transcend and overcome to get where they are. I believe survival of the fittest is a universal constant. The civilisations out there that we would call 'utopian' reached the top by starting from the bottom. The real question is, how did they survive? How did they not blow themselves up? How does anyone pass through the valley of the shadow of death? I believe the answer is spiritual in nature rather than technological.
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    When beings from other planets and stars incarnate here, they do not remember their previous lives. They occasionally dream about their former lives, and they have a strong sense that they are not from here, but it is all vague. During their Earthly lives, something might trigger a remembrance of life elsewhere, where things were done differently. However, these beings are imprinted with the mission they are on, and have certain guardrails that are guiding them. Some are like missionaries to this planet, trying to bring sanity, and peaceful ways to all in their orbit. I am talking about the positive ones, but there are also negative off-world beings incarnating here with other agendas. Our planet, which was likely terraformed eons ago, is a jewel in the universe, with many competing civilizations vying for control.

    When Bill generalizes about our human civilization being aggressive, I think it is a matter of attention. Our media, legacy or alternative, thrives on worst case scenarios, when that is not really the norm of what we experience in our daily lives. It's another indication that we have loads of leisure time to indulge such skewing of reality.

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    Some years ago, when I joined this forum, there was a young man who offered to film my experiences with Margo Williams, psychic extraordinaire, with whom many ‘ETs’ communicated. They spoke of things pertaining to their way of life, their concern about what was/is happening on Earth and for our future. That video is available on Avalon.

    Referring to records made during those years ……

    1.

    TU an ET from planet VA in another galaxy as yet undiscovered
    All colours are soft and muted, nothing dark
    Soil, sandy pink
    Diet of plants and fruit
    Anger and wars unheard of
    Technology far in advance of humanity
    Spacecraft visiting their own galaxy and others, including Earth, for observation purposes
    No disease, therefore no doctors or healers.
    Lifespan 130 years
    Ability to communicate with souls after ‘death’
    Apported something similar to a ballerina’s TU-TU for proof! (Great synchronicity!)
    Weather control at the push of a button
    Megalith builders far more advanced than our present civilisation. Original purpose was as landing markers for men from another planet who had pale green skin and golden eyes. They were friendly towards Earth and came to teach mankind.
    Apported a small green button with a gold centre to illustrate the colours he meant.

    (I tried to copy and paste a photo of this but failed! I believe it is shown on my video on ETs)

    2.
    1987
    “Contact, contact, contact!”
    His name sounded like out humming sound. So we called him HUMM.
    Referred to us as Earthlings
    Would like to make contact with those in positions of power but would be destroyed like an animal
    Used telepathy
    Can communicate with their dead
    Four kinds of food
    No gossip as thoughts visible to all
    No need for music or entertainment as their power of visualisation brings requirements into manifestation
    All material things have to be earned
    One child only
    120 year lifespan
    Noise causes damage to human health, as do long speeches!
    The simpler ones life becomes the more intelligent one becomes
    Similar to us in appearance, but larger head
    All have same hair colour
    Colourful houses with sloping walls, which they lean upright against for about 15 minutes when needing what we know as sleep to receive visions of the next 24 hours or so.
    Speaks through a BEAM
    Does not know or understand emotions of fear, happiness, sadness, love, nor hate
    Obey without question
    Far superior intellect
    Concern about what would happen to Earth if a big war breaks out
    They have already lost the life force on 2 planets in their galaxy
    Wish for PEACE between all nations and planets.

    Just 2 of the men from the stars who chose to communicate a little of their way of life to us. We were always given proof of some kind with every communication. There were many more and they broadened my perspective on life in the universe and I grew in wisdom as a result of their teaching.
    There is only one way and it is the way of acceptance and love

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    To add:
    For centuries/millennia, we on this world have suffered extensive manipulation and interference at the hands of those who worship what the Bible calls mammon -- wealth, riches, power. In its darkest expression, a luciferian control-matrix, which is seemingly worldwide.

    Subtract that from the equation and have all of humanity pulling in relatively the same positive direction...then, hypothetically, we wouldn't be in such a mess I don't think.

    What we have on earth is an extreme polarity of energy expression. This, again, cosmically speaking, is probably the exception rather than the rule. As the Vegan entity in the movie Contact said to Jodie Foster, we are capable of such beautiful dreams, and such awful nightmares.

    For a long time, the awful dream faction has had the upper hand. Personally, I believe it won't be the case for much longer.
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    If extraterrestrial civilizations (ETC) progress as humans do, and each generation builds on what previous generations developed, they may have some capacity to interact and cooperate together. There could be selective pressure for steadily increasing intelligence among cooperative ETI if more intelligent individuals become leaders more easily, also if more intelligent individuals are valued members.

    A civilization that has already managed to survive for longer than we have is unlikely to have done so without cultivating a sophisticated sense of cooperation. The pressure of long-term survival for limiting population requires an evolutionary trend that increases intelligence and this would continue to evolve into a cooperative civilization capable of taking on planet-scale problems.

    In this universe there may exist many kinds of creatures with widely varying levels of sentience and cognitive awareness. Some societies may possess more information than others; some beings may process information faster or more efficiently than others. Thus, there is a natural ordering, or continuum, of all living things. Those entities which are more negentropic are better at serving their mission of life in the universe; hence, they are inherently "more ethical." Those beings that engender the same negentropy as others are "equally ethical".

    The assumption that an ETI civilization is expanding from its own star system to other star systems. Through this expansion, they may have found other civilizations like themselves, perhaps leading to the development of a federation within local star systems. Again, in such an arrangement, cooperation between each civilization may be the norm. UAP NHI appears to reside on Earth, however, its origins may well be an ETC. Its network of communications may be so different from ours, but by studying the UAP NHI demonstrates a form of communications that is instantaneous. If its origins were of an extraterrestrial nature, have arrived here from other star systems then it makes sense that the form of communications is instantaneous using the quantum physics. Similar common demonstrations by UAP NHI suggests that a form of quantum communications has been taken place, not using the electromagnetic spectrum.

    UAP NHI appears to correlate with Kardeshev’s class 1 and 2 type civilizations fitting this criteria and, therefore, may likely also be cooperative in nature. Although most expanding civilizations may be information based; individually and collectively the awareness factor within these civilizations may also be dominant. This means that having overcome planet-wide issues there may be a progression and understanding of eco-alignment to their planet and other planets in their stellar neighborhood. Our society on Earth is not yet eco-aligned to our planet, but this situation may dramatically change after the first, widely acknowledged UAP contact.

    The realization that other civilizations are ethical and have an awareness of their space environs poses an exciting prospect for our civilization. Our civilization can benefit from the catalyst of observing others as it enters upon awareness of other civilizations in the universe; seeing people that are aligned to universal values of sensitivity and ethics. This could move humanity away from agendas of aggressive behavior as regards resources and the lack of humanitarianism among our kind.

    All human conceptions are on the scale of our planet. They are based on the pretension that the technical potential, although it will develop, may never exceed the terrestrial limit. If we succeed in establishing interplanetary communications, all our philosophical, moral, and social views may have to be revised. In this case, the technical potential becomes limitless and would lead to the end of violence as a means and method of progress.

    Although all civilizations stand to benefit from cooperation, the Nash Equilibrium posits that every civilization may have the option of a strategy to dominate. However, biological altruism is hard-wired in the human being, and we can expect that UAP NHI individuals would have similar characteristics. The UAP have presented non-threatening behavior over the time we have been aware of them. Knowledge of the basic procedures and ethical considerations involved in first contact may serve two useful purposes: (1) To suggest ways other civilizations may interact with each other, what polities and societies they may establish, whether peace is likely, and so forth; and (2) To suggest what humanity may expect when it first makes contact with an original ETI civilization here recognized as UAP NHI around the Earth.

    The second most important parameter of civilizations which both contactor and contacted may want to determine as soon as possible is the total information processing capability of each culture. This datum may tell each party to the contact how "smart" the other is, how sophisticated may be its thinking processes, and how great are its stores of knowledge. In the case of current UAP, specific events have been recorded by the US military that show an astonishing knowledge by UAP in locating the geographical positions of the US Navy fleet maneuvers. It is no surprise that this knowledge has been acquired over an extended period of time in its monitoring of the Earth.

    As previously mentioned, the most probable case of communication with extraterrestrial beings is with a Kardashev 1 or 2 civilization. The UAP fits this level of an advanced civilization would be more advanced than human civilization, which is at 0.7, a major problem we encounter would likely be psychological. We would undoubtedly be deeply upset by this situation.

    However, these beings, if they are advanced and subtle, would know this and would approach us in such a way as not to frighten us. This fits a meta ethical universalist approach as explained in cooperative ETIs. We would suspect they would use advanced knowledge to learn human languages through one means or another and imitate human appearance.

    Regarding language, we use basic language conversion that is a delayed sequence technology that does not translate in real time. We would expect a sophisticated language conversion in real time communications by UAP within the context as an ETI civilization that may help us to understand them. In other words, they may provide the ‘Rosetta Stone’ we need to communicate with them. This approach would make sense, as they may be used to communicating with many other ETI civilizations at various levels of development. They would also begin to understand the Earth's culture and develop means of communication that are familiar to humans.

    If, as has been previously suggested, ETI are already monitoring us within the structure of either the Zoo or Laboratory Hypotheses, this scenario would be to the advantage of both civilizations. The monitoring civilization would have had the time to research and study us while they wait for us to make contact. Or, their research may show them when the right time is to initiate contact with humanity, through which they will facilitate humankind’s entrance into communications with even more civilizations.

    UAP are arguably making this first move now. Their persistent presence in specific locations, and their numerous demonstrations in recent years, are drawing public attention to their existence. They have thus swayed political discussion and create a global awareness of their activities. Currently, their presence is creating reactions ranging from confusion to some level of understanding of UAP physics, behavioral psychology, and intentions.

    Our first deliberate communications with an ETI civilization will be driven by our own agenda and from our own perspective. However, depending how advanced the civilization is, we may discover that they also have an agenda. The balance in our relationship with them may unfold into a mutual agreement of a common agenda over time. The relationship will require setting up a partnership, with a definition, direction and purpose for us to prepare the foundation for ongoing communications.

    The current research of intelligences around the Earth indicates many types of intelligence groups who are possibly operating in consert or individually. Based on civilisations residing here and others from afar. Based on many characteristics there are common features that support making first official contact. Two links below of videos below provides the evidence how this may come to a successful conclusion.

    1. Eamonn Ansbro: The UFO Evidence Science Can’t Ignore:

    One of his bold hypotheses: Earth may be under near‐constant surveillance by non‐human manufactured probes or craft, possibly energy-based. These ideas were controversial within traditional astronomy but have, in recent years, started getting echoed in Pentagon and academic studies.

    In this conversation, Dr. Ansbro lays out what his data could imply-not just that UFOs exist, but that they may be an intelligent phenomenon, possibly operating in orbits, choosing when and how to be seen. If true, these findings upend our assumptions about life, consciousness, observation, and the limits of modern science.

    This is more than speculation-it's the story of someone daring to let the data lead. Whether you're a skeptic or a seeker, the stakes are high.


    2. The UAP Expedition No One Saw Coming: Ansbro's Bold Move.

    We cover the shift from classic SETI to a UAP first program, a corridor model that clusters sighting reports into time windows to forecast high probability sky lanes, and the evolution from a fixed all sky rig to a mobile multi sensor field stack.

    We also unpack the next phase, pairing instrumentation with an on site contactee for telepathy mediated prompts logged through a typed to audio workflow.

    Eamonn outlines team structure, weather telemetry, and a tentative early 2026 field test with independent analysts on deck. Methods over myths, data over drama.


    www.SETIKingsland.com
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    Yes indeed, our energetic frequency is constantly monitored, and it is up to all of us here to SHINE our knowledge and wisdom far and wide.
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