Six Democrat Senators say do not follow "Illegal "orders

[thepainterdoug]

Six Democrat Senators say do not follow orders. we mean Illegal!

well well, I finally see someone wanting the term "illegal" to be duly noted

So the military, national guard, ICE and all government agencies need to wait , stop, read and litigate in their heads and among themselves, what their commanders orders legalities are prior to carrying those orders out? So hey guys, have your attorney at your side .

This in some odd way reminds me of the word gymnastics in the woke discussion, what is a woman? ? What is "illegal"? Then break down the sentence: what does "what "mean? And what does "Is" mean?

All the while this is just one of many efforts in word play to undermine the USA , end US sovereignty with an end game, a one world Klaus Schwab Gov. everything this bunch does is in the interest of ending the USA

I have asked and stated 1000 times to the libs when referring to ICE, and the immigrants we are talking about, we mean " illegal" immigrants, and they just skate over the term and say we love our immigrants.
If they would only admit that truth, agree or disagree , then we could begin a discussion

But these word games are encouraged until it then serves them to illustrate, we mean" ILLEGAL" orders!! lol What a stupid and tiring clown show.

[rgray222]

This ad said this to me. How do you say 'overthrow the government' or 'create anarchy' without actually saying it?

They intentionally left what they are referencing vague because they can start fitting things into that narrative, i.e ICE raids, the destruction of drug boats off the coast of Venezuela, more to be named later.

This is the closest I have ever seen a political party come to openly talk of overthrowing the government. It is actually quite frightening, but I suppose that is the purpose. After all, the two great motivators are anger and fear.

[thepainterdoug]

rgray. 100% absolutely true! and they are turning up the heat similar to the boiling frog analogy.
little by little, while offering NOTHING in policy or constructiveness for the country other than hate Trump, they carry out their plans. The shutdown purposeful, and all part of it

[Mike]

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
Six Democrat Senators say do not follow orders. we mean Illegal!

well well, I finally see someone wanting the term "illegal" to be duly noted

So the military, national guard, ICE and all government agencies need to wait , stop, read and litigate in their heads and among themselves, what their commanders orders legalities are prior to carrying those orders out? So hey guys, have your attorney at your side .

This in some odd way reminds me of the word gymnastics in the woke discussion, what is a woman? ? What is "illegal"? Then break down the sentence: what does "what "mean? And what does "Is" mean?

All the while this is just one of many efforts in word play to undermine the USA , end US sovereignty with an end game, a one world Klaus Schwab Gov. everything this bunch does is in the interest of ending the USA

I have asked and stated 1000 times to the libs when referring to ICE, and the immigrants we are talking about, we mean " illegal" immigrants, and they just skate over the term and say we love our immigrants.
If they would only admit that truth, agree or disagree , then we could begin a discussion

But these word games are encouraged until it then serves them to illustrate, we mean" ILLEGAL" orders!! lol What a stupid and tiring clown show.

Hey Doug, I've been calling it a clown show for a long time. I've used words like "crazy" and "lunatics" more times than I can count. And "madness" and "insane". And a few others to describe this political and cultural and spiritual rot.

But all those descriptors are downstream of the one that truly epitomizes this entire nightmare: EVIL

I think most people know this on some level but are in varying states of denial. So we laugh and makes jokes etc. That was my process anyway. But at its core it's demonic and just plain evil.

Identity Marxists use the same words as everyone else but they often have entirely different meanings. There are countless examples of this. "Woman" is one. They'll use its literal meaning when it's politically convenient i.e. when they recognize they've lost the public, and then use the newly invented activist meaning amongst themselves or when brainwashing vulnerable young people. And then when called out on this trick they will vigorously deny they're doing it.

It makes them very slippery. The average person just can't keep up with all the co-opting and rebranding of language. And even in the cases when a significant number of average folks do finally catch up, they'll just rebrand all over again. Critical Theory has been rebranded now, as has ESG. I forget what the new names are.

For them the ends justify the means so they have no moral qualms with the endless lying and duplicity and manipulation. Whatever will get them to the finish line is fair game. Lying and hypocrisy are used as strategic weapons. Whatever is good for the "revolution", and in this case it's flooding the country with illegals but denying they're actually illegal. The main goal for all Marxists is revolution, but here we're getting yet another rebrand to keep them out of trouble. The foot soldiers on the ground can openly call for revolution, but the politicians are sort of forced to speak in code (or just lie).

[JackMcThorn]

Rules of Engagement - the military has been dealing with this idea of lawful orders for many decades [arguable since Vietnam which is over 5o years ago now...] - they are not strangers to potential legal issues regarding orders. Since the change from Department of Defense to the War Department, perhaps a little less so and a little more intense.

Democrats will say anything to get their way. They will sell the souls for a pittance. A Republican government tends to favor the military more than a Democratic one. I served under Clinton and we barely had the budget necessary to persist. When I needed something and placed an order, all of them were rejected. I had to go to the shore repair facility to collect metal scraps for my machine shop on the ship is how bad that was at the time. My wife at the time, in the navy also, helped me load some of this metal from my truck on the pier to my shop on the ship. Funny enough, the chief engineer saw us topside with the metal and asked what we were doing. [He rejected my requests for materials.] To him, I was resourceful, but to me, I just wanted to be prepared at sea.

It is long overdue the handling of crime and perhaps violent crime in the big cities. Long overdue. It almost makes it look like nothing was happening before, the level of complacency among LE is astonishing.

While aboard ship we conducted search and seizure of contraband on the high seas in the Persian Gulf along with other missions. This business with the cartels is indeed as well long overdue. We should have been doing this decades ago. DECADES, I tell you! The original 198o's war on drugs would have been influenced greatly by decisions such as this.

The military has walked on eggshells for far too long by distracting legal issues. If you want to know more about rules of engagement problems, read about the Navy SEALs in Operation Red Wings. [or see the movie.] Lone Survivor is the title. The dilemma of a lack of swift action resulted in many unnecessary deaths of our servicemen. This is the spark of controversy the democrats infected the uniformed services with many of these years.

I say have some confidence in the officer corps of our military to disseminate lawful orders. They are running on 25o years of experience now and they spend a lot of time studying history and the history of successful career officers.

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
Six Democrat Senators say do not follow orders. we mean Illegal!

well well, I finally see someone wanting the term "illegal" to be duly noted

So the military, national guard, ICE and all government agencies need to wait , stop, read and litigate in their heads and among themselves, what their commanders orders legalities are prior to carrying those orders out? So hey guys, have your attorney at your side .

This in some odd way reminds me of the word gymnastics in the woke discussion, what is a woman? ? What is "illegal"? Then break down the sentence: what does "what "mean? And what does "Is" mean?

All the while this is just one of many efforts in word play to undermine the USA , end US sovereignty with an end game, a one world Klaus Schwab Gov. everything this bunch does is in the interest of ending the USA

I have asked and stated 1000 times to the libs when referring to ICE, and the immigrants we are talking about, we mean " illegal" immigrants, and they just skate over the term and say we love our immigrants.
If they would only admit that truth, agree or disagree , then we could begin a discussion

But these word games are encouraged until it then serves them to illustrate, we mean" ILLEGAL" orders!! lol What a stupid and tiring clown show.

I think this was a sign that the far left and anti-American globalists are getting ready to do some type of huge false flag event/attack. Escalating a civil war type of scenario and or response. A false flag type of attack/event that'll force Trump to "bring in the military" so to speak. The talking heads are trying to get some of the population to think Trumps response to this false flag disaster will be an illegal response. I'm just speculating of course.

I do think something big is about to happen soon, been feeling it since the first week of November.

The thought of all these young fighting age male illegals that have crossed the border has always been on my mind also, where have they all disappeared to?

An event that'll get most of these rioters and illegals to ramp up their attacks on ICE, Border Agents, and National Guards will absolutely force trump to call in the military and then we'll likely see all these far left federal judges go into deranged mode and try to block Trump and the federal government at all angles. It'll be a disaster for sure on the streets and in many cities. It's likely many will be injured and or killed.

Things are spirally out of control as we speak, a disastrous event will likely turn everything into complete chaos.

[thepainterdoug]

Thanks All!! I agree with all comments. Sorry Mike, I should have credited you with "Clown show" comment. Yes you have led the pack in the use of this .

Silent Feathers. Quite possibly yes. They need to up the anti, and the next step needs to be very impactful. The masses are who they are after, and they are easily steered.

[Mike]

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
Thanks All!! I agree with all comments. Sorry Mike, I should have credited you with "Clown show" comment. Yes you have led the pack in the use of this .

Silent Feathers. Quite possibly yes. They need to up the anti, and the next step needs to be very impactful. The masses are who they are after, and they are easily steered.

Lol, I was just trying to cosign on your lament there. I wasn't taking credit for "clown show" I've used it here and there over the years is all.

Mark has copyrighted that one with his 'clown show' thread

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
Six Democrat Senators say do not follow orders. we mean Illegal!

well well, I finally see someone wanting the term "illegal" to be duly noted

So the military, national guard, ICE and all government agencies need to wait , stop, read and litigate in their heads and among themselves, what their commanders orders legalities are prior to carrying those orders out? So hey guys, have your attorney at your side .

This in some odd way reminds me of the word gymnastics in the woke discussion, what is a woman? ? What is "illegal"? Then break down the sentence: what does "what "mean? And what does "Is" mean?

All the while this is just one of many efforts in word play to undermine the USA , end US sovereignty with an end game, a one world Klaus Schwab Gov. everything this bunch does is in the interest of ending the USA

I have asked and stated 1000 times to the libs when referring to ICE, and the immigrants we are talking about, we mean " illegal" immigrants, and they just skate over the term and say we love our immigrants.
If they would only admit that truth, agree or disagree , then we could begin a discussion

But these word games are encouraged until it then serves them to illustrate, we mean" ILLEGAL" orders!! lol What a stupid and tiring clown show.

Hey Doug, I've been calling it a clown show for a long time. I've used words like "crazy" and "lunatics" more times than I can count. And "madness" and "insane". And a few others to describe this political and cultural and spiritual rot.

But all those descriptors are downstream of the one that truly epitomizes this entire nightmare: EVIL

I think most people know this on some level but are in varying states of denial. So we laugh and makes jokes etc. That was my process anyway. But at its core it's demonic and just plain evil.

Identity Marxists use the same words as everyone else but they often have entirely different meanings. There are countless examples of this. "Woman" is one. They'll use its literal meaning when it's politically convenient i.e. when they recognize they've lost the public, and then use the newly invented activist meaning amongst themselves or when brainwashing vulnerable young people. And then when called out on this trick they will vigorously deny they're doing it.

It makes them very slippery. The average person just can't keep up with all the co-opting and rebranding of language. And even in the cases when a significant number of average folks do finally catch up, they'll just rebrand all over again. Critical Theory has been rebranded now, as has ESG. I forget what the new names are.

For them the ends justify the means so they have no moral qualms with the endless lying and duplicity and manipulation. Whatever will get them to the finish line is fair game. Lying and hypocrisy are used as strategic weapons. Whatever is good for the "revolution", and in this case it's flooding the country with illegals but denying they're actually illegal. The main goal for all Marxists is revolution, but here we're getting yet another rebrand to keep them out of trouble. The foot soldiers on the ground can openly call for revolution, but the politicians are sort of forced to speak in code (or just lie).

I'm pretty certain these far left lunatics attend secret schools that teach them how to weaponize language and to socially engineer the masses. They are trained to become parasites of the minds of many, they are psyche parasites.

....and yes, extremely demonic and evil! demonic psyche parasites.

They have planted the seed of rebellion towards the most powerful structures in this nation, and thus at the same time, captured the narrative. This is "Bigtime" to say the least. They keep doing this crap because they know they can get away with it, they know they are above the law. They are convinced their "skills" of being psyche parasites and experts at language manipulation that they can squirm through any kind of accountability for their demonic and evil manipulations.

In my opinion, they are extremely talented at what they do, they keep getting away with it.

[Mike]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
Six Democrat Senators say do not follow orders. we mean Illegal!

well well, I finally see someone wanting the term "illegal" to be duly noted

So the military, national guard, ICE and all government agencies need to wait , stop, read and litigate in their heads and among themselves, what their commanders orders legalities are prior to carrying those orders out? So hey guys, have your attorney at your side .

This in some odd way reminds me of the word gymnastics in the woke discussion, what is a woman? ? What is "illegal"? Then break down the sentence: what does "what "mean? And what does "Is" mean?

All the while this is just one of many efforts in word play to undermine the USA , end US sovereignty with an end game, a one world Klaus Schwab Gov. everything this bunch does is in the interest of ending the USA

I have asked and stated 1000 times to the libs when referring to ICE, and the immigrants we are talking about, we mean " illegal" immigrants, and they just skate over the term and say we love our immigrants.
If they would only admit that truth, agree or disagree , then we could begin a discussion

But these word games are encouraged until it then serves them to illustrate, we mean" ILLEGAL" orders!! lol What a stupid and tiring clown show.

Hey Doug, I've been calling it a clown show for a long time. I've used words like "crazy" and "lunatics" more times than I can count. And "madness" and "insane". And a few others to describe this political and cultural and spiritual rot.

But all those descriptors are downstream of the one that truly epitomizes this entire nightmare: EVIL

I think most people know this on some level but are in varying states of denial. So we laugh and makes jokes etc. That was my process anyway. But at its core it's demonic and just plain evil.

Identity Marxists use the same words as everyone else but they often have entirely different meanings. There are countless examples of this. "Woman" is one. They'll use its literal meaning when it's politically convenient i.e. when they recognize they've lost the public, and then use the newly invented activist meaning amongst themselves or when brainwashing vulnerable young people. And then when called out on this trick they will vigorously deny they're doing it.

It makes them very slippery. The average person just can't keep up with all the co-opting and rebranding of language. And even in the cases when a significant number of average folks do finally catch up, they'll just rebrand all over again. Critical Theory has been rebranded now, as has ESG. I forget what the new names are.

For them the ends justify the means so they have no moral qualms with the endless lying and duplicity and manipulation. Whatever will get them to the finish line is fair game. Lying and hypocrisy are used as strategic weapons. Whatever is good for the "revolution", and in this case it's flooding the country with illegals but denying they're actually illegal. The main goal for all Marxists is revolution, but here we're getting yet another rebrand to keep them out of trouble. The foot soldiers on the ground can openly call for revolution, but the politicians are sort of forced to speak in code (or just lie).

I'm pretty certain these far left lunatics attend secret schools that teach them how to weaponize language and to socially engineer the masses. They are trained to become parasites of the minds of many, they are psyche parasites.

....and yes, extremely demonic and evil! demonic psyche parasites.

They have planted the seed of rebellion towards the most powerful structures in this nation, and thus at the same time, captured the narrative. This is "Bigtime" to say the least. They keep doing this crap because they know they can get away with it, they know they are above the law. They are convinced their "skills" of being psyche parasites and experts at language manipulation that they can squirm through any kind of accountability for their demonic and evil manipulations.

In my opinion, they are extremely talented at what they do, they keep getting away with it.

Well they just attend universities . Harvard, Yale, Columbia etc. Not all that secret. That's where it all gets concretized.

But I know what you're saying, and I think you're correct! In a very real way, what we're up against is a form of linguistic sorcery, not just word games or weaponized language.

And it truly is an ancient form of mental warfare. Majik.

For instance, when you dig into Marx a little, you'll find out that he wasn't really an economist or political theorist or whatever the hell everyone says he was. He was an occultist. And a strong argument can be made he was a flat out Satanist (his early writings strongly suggest so). Marx is the godhead of all this leftist sh!t. Everything they do, including the language manipulation, is distinctly Marxian.

Colleges and universities are occult indoctrination centers, just under a different name. The students are taught linguistic sorcery, just under a different name. Everything they do is buried under layers of misleading language, but it's all done right in plain site. Even the students don't know what they're truly being taught. They take it all at face value.

The students (and just people in general) have been weakened and demoralized thru a series of diabolical processess that have been taking place since at least the 70's. So people - particularly young people - are pliable and naive. Never before in history have there been so many mentally ill young people (and many of the rest suffer from a form of induced mental illness, I'd say). So they are primed to be easily swallowed up by this occult hypnotism (and it can be accurately called hypnotism I think. and there's also a possession element to it I believe).

The masses (in general) have been engineered to ignore or poo-pah or just flat out not notice this sinister doublespeak (which allows it to thrive) and the rest have been engineered to exploit it for ideological ends (politicians, MSM, student radicals). It's a circle of madness that feeds on itself in this way.

This is all a very windy way of saying that when a free thinking, autonomous individual is observing blatant lies being spoken and imbibed by millions of people (whether about illegals, the border, or anything else) and he's sitting there thinking, How is this possible?? Does anyone actually believe this??? Well, that's sort of what's happening. At least that's how I see it.

[thepainterdoug]

Mike, agreed on the marxist bloodlines in their methods. and I say pretty much every day, does anyone actually believe this?

and in a busy pre occupied soundbite existence most all live in, its all seductive speak easily taken in, believed and spit out to others.

Regarding the border, its amazing that so many people believ it all started with Trump. what a horrible person he is harassing our citizens.

So few dont even ask themselves how we got here? Hello Border Czar harris. Hello Mayorkis, chief criminal. and all these people saunter off unscathed, with new titles new careers or just on sabbatical

[Rizotto]

Isn't taught in military schools to NOT obey illegal orders? Anybody learned anything from the outcome of the Nuremberg trials?
"I was just following orders" turned out to not be a valid excuse for criminal actions.

The senators who are calling on USA army to defy illegal orders are probably referring to the Trump administration's orders to bomb small boats off the coast of Venezuela, killing dozens of civilians, which is a crime according to international law. Especially since Trump has NOT produced a single proof that these boats trafficked drugs.
And even if they transporting drugs, the USA military has absolutely no jurisdiction to bomb civilian boats in Venezuelan coastal water or international waters.
We all know that it's not about drugs anyway, it's just the latest criminal USA attempt to provoke a war with Venezuela, which the USA has been trying to regime-change for decades so as to have easier access to its rich resources.

For those of you boasting about this, and pushing for blind obedience to criminal orders, just remember that's how the USA has become the most hated, the most dangerous country in the world. Remember the Iraq war that killed a million Iraqis, based on false pretext of WMDs that turned out not to exist. So that the USA could pillage Iraq's resources, and enrich Dick Cheney's Haliburtons contracts. It's disgusting.

[Mike Gorman]

Mike, you are of course absolutely correct, the language craft being employed by all exponents of the "Woke" factions is very familiar to me: I was a tertiary student in the early 1980's, and later on in the early 90's - I have been guilty of being a recidivist student, firstly to gain a Bachelor degree & later on I sampled a few Graduate courses in philosophy, IT, adult education, so of course I was exposed to the nascent 'Post Modern' flavors that were then coming into the Australian universities via California/European linguistics schools, you know the 'Semiotics' which became so favored from the 1980's going forward: I was in a unique position to assess this because it was the beginnings of this cultural decay, the previous 'paradigms' of classical critical thinking, and the stature of classical philosophy was being dismantled right in front of me! All replaced with the complete rejection of any concept of "Meaning" - this was significant because it illuminates precisely how these seemingly intelligent, studious people are able to achieve these feats of psychological contortion, to perform the linguistic calisthenics necessary to come out with all of this category confusion, and conceptual replacements.
Language is absolutely the source of this 'Woke' religion, this is how it was able to gain such a strong foothold of our Western cultures, I feel that I was given quite a privileged opportunity to witness this transition of our classical Western thinking tradition, into the present very strange situation where people feel they cannot in all conscience define a 'Woman', for example, if you extrapolate this right through our media/cultural production circles it is very clear how we have arrived at this juncture: it is all about our language, as we speak, so we think, so we act. Just saying.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Posted by Mike (here)
Mark has copyrighted that one with his 'clown show' thread

Clown World, though I don't take credit for that at all. Who originally coined that phrase I've no idea, but it's perfectly apt!

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Mark (Star Mariner) (here)

Posted by Mike (here)
Mark has copyrighted that one with his 'clown show' thread

Clown World, though I don't take credit for that at all. Who originally coined that phrase I've no idea, but it's perfectly apt!

Alex Christoforou.

https://www.youtube.com/@AlexChristoforou/videos

[Mike]

Posted by Mike Gorman (here)
Mike, you are of course absolutely correct, the language craft being employed by all exponents of the "Woke" factions is very familiar to me: I was a tertiary student in the early 1980's, and later on in the early 90's - I have been guilty of being a recidivist student, firstly to gain a Bachelor degree & later on I sampled a few Graduate courses in philosophy, IT, adult education, so of course I was exposed to the nascent 'Post Modern' flavors that were then coming into the Australian universities via California/European linguistics schools, you know the 'Semiotics' which became so favored from the 1980's going forward: I was in a unique position to assess this because it was the beginnings of this cultural decay, the previous 'paradigms' of classical critical thinking, and the stature of classical philosophy was being dismantled right in front of me! All replaced with the complete rejection of any concept of "Meaning" - this was significant because it illuminates precisely how these seemingly intelligent, studious people are able to achieve these feats of psychological contortion, to perform the linguistic calisthenics necessary to come out with all of this category confusion, and conceptual replacements.
Language is absolutely the source of this 'Woke' religion, this is how it was able to gain such a strong foothold of our Western cultures, I feel that I was given quite a privileged opportunity to witness this transition of our classical Western thinking tradition, into the present very strange situation where people feel they cannot in all conscience define a 'Woman', for example, if you extrapolate this right through our media/cultural production circles it is very clear how we have arrived at this juncture: it is all about our language, as we speak, so we think, so we act. Just saying.

Well said Mike!

As I was reading this I was thinking of Winston O'Brien in 1984 visiting the proles with the intent to pick their minds as to 1) how Big Brother emerged and 2) what life was like prior to Big Brother. They were the only ones to consult, as they hadn't been thoroughly brainwashed, and some of the older ones were unique in that they existed both prior to and during Big Brother.

I'm not calling you "old" by the way lol, and certainly not a "prole", but that book entered my mind because as you said you truly do have a unique point of view on this having been around the universities during the inception of all this. That's fascinating, because although I know - having listened to people like Yuri Benzemov etc - that this thing has been in the works since the 60's and 70's, I didn't think the Marxist/postmodern marriage occurred until relatively recently.

Note: Since I realized I read Doug's original post while distracted with about a million other things, I just reread it slowly and carefully and now realize to my embarrassment that I've only been sort of partially on topic so far. Sorry Doug

[SilentFeathers]

This isn't about Trump blasting Venezuelan drug boats out of the water illegally, this is about the far lefts dominion voting machine apparatus and servers being operated in Venezuela.

The seditious 6 and the rest of the far left scumbags are pissed Trump is about to shut that down too. The lefties are getting desperate and are likely to do something really drastic and chaotic soon.

Seems many of the talking heads on X and other platforms have forgotten all about the Dominion/Venezuela voter fraud connection.....The whole drug thing is a cover story in my opinion and Trumps is basically securing support to go in there and shut down the voting fraud situation being run from in there and will likely do a regime change and take their oil while he's at it.

[Rizotto]

OMG! so Trump isn't blowing boats off the coast of Venezuela because of drugs, it's just that he's trying to get to the voting machines in Venezuela...
I hope Silent Feather, you're just kidding, are you?

Next, they will claim the Trump command to regime-change Venezuela has absolutely nothing to do with pillaging its resources.
Personally, I won't get into fancy language interpretation debates. I will only look at the results of USA interventions as evidence of its intentions: destruction, murder and pillaging of Venzuela.

Here's a short clip of Max Blumenthal listing these crimes:

Max Blumenthal wipes smile off US official's face

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=tHNAXDvGR4A

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by Rizotto (here)
OMG! so Trump isn't blowing boats off the coast of Venezuela because of drugs, it's just that he's trying to get to the voting machines in Venezuela...
I hope Silent Feather, you're just kidding, are you?

I'm actually not kidding. I didn't quite use the right "Language" in my post, I forgot to place the word "just" in the sentence.

The sentence should of been written like this.... "This isn't JUST about Trump blasting Venezuelan drug boats out of the water illegally.

Sorry for ruffling your feathers

I'm sure it's about drugs, regime change, and pillaging resources, but I also think it's about payback for the involvement of interfering in the US elections also, unless I'm completely wrong about the Dominion/Venezuela connection..

[thepainterdoug]

i just want to remind all the members here at Project Avalon that you don't have to adhere to Bills rules and guidelines, if you feel those rules and guidelines are against your moral ethical values and reasoning.

It's not that Bill has done such a thing, but if he does, i and 5 other members here, making 6 of us, are forewarning you .
Mike, Silent feathers, Mark Star Mariner, Mike Gorman and Painter doug are united and serving all this notice