How ET societies have thrived

[Heart to heart]

Thank you Agape for your post
Like you, when Margo and I were connecting with ETs they only wished to educate us in their ways of living peacefully and communally, for the benefit of the whole. They couldn’t understand the warlike nature of so many humans intent on destruction of mankind and the planet.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Posted by Agape (here)
That the people here are mostly very kind ...but poorly.
Ancestrally starved , beaten , humiliated , recovering from one planetary shock after another,
not mean just poorly.

An important point, and a key reason why, whatever else one believes, ETs or some other higher power would never 'cleanse the earth of its suffering' by wiping us to oblivion like a nasty infection. If there's an overriding reason why we are still here, it's because our eradication would be unjust. Most of the people on Earth are good.

The vast majority of the woes on this world were perpetrated, or engineered one way or another, by a tiny minority of the people. The most wealthy, depraved, and selfish people alive. They're the ones who hold all the power, because they've convinced the rest of us we have none.

Perhaps not for much longer though.

[Isserley]

Exactly, most are good, kind people if the conditions are favorable. Problem is that the conditions are not favorable at all.
The question is who maintains the bad conditions and why -> the ET-s (not the ones from OP I assume) or the Archons..., because they feed on our discontent? How then is all the responsibility of this complicated thread placed on us?

I think of us as just cocks in a cock fight. Until the chickens evolve and understand who is oppressing & manipulating them, they will be miserable.

[Ewan]

I don't believe anyone has mentioned favourable local conditions. Here I am talking about Solar Systems and planetary alignments producing those conditions for spiritual growth. The localised flow of energies can be very uplifting, or conversely quite the hindrance.

I think most would agree our own situation is rather a fiery one. Did we choose to come here as a fast track scenario in a birthplace of young souls?

[Ashiris]

Info from Lisa Renee which I consider to be true

Historical Records Erased
On 3D planet Earth, humanities true star origins, ET involvement and historical records, ancient artifacts and sacred spiritual texts, along with higher consciousness memories were mostly erased, so that we would not remember who we are or where we came from. We were handed a false history, false identity and false reality from the victors of war, along with strong broadcasts of NAA Mind Control programming in order to condition us to believe in the fabricated anti-human culture that is the controlled AI version of 3D reality. Artificial grids and AI timeline networks are used by the Controllers, both human and nonhuman, to maintain the 3D artificial reality for the inhabitants of this planet and to maintain the Prison Planet enslavement status. [1]

Victors of War Re-wrote World History
When the planet earth was slowly invaded through a series of Historical Timeline Trigger Events, the victors of the last war were not human beings. Thus, the NAA was able to freely access the energy quanta of earth and her inhabitants without resistance, because awareness of this fact was methodically erased from historical references and the information suppressed from earth humans. Effectively, this produced anti-human control and mass consciousness enslavement on the earth. The incarnating earth human was no longer able to naturally access the intelligent consciousness of his own spiritual body, without employing sophisticated esoteric practices that necessitated long term efforts for rebuilding the consciousness. The techniques for building the lightbody were taught in the Atlantian Mystery Schools of various lineages and this information was a tightly held secret, only given to the sequestered monks, elite or the ruling classes.[2]

Blank Slate Consciousnesses Wiping
The Beast Machine is an ancient AI weapon technology that was the brainchild between the Wesa system’s original black hole entities and the Metatron Collective after they suffered the fall into the phantom matrix. In addition to siphoning life force from our Universal system, the technology was continually developed by other NAA entities in order to erase the angelic human history on Tara, and erase the original genetic records held within the Silicate Matrix of human DNA. Upon Blank Slating the morphogenetic fields they inserted false histories and false images that are approved by the NAA groups for maintaining their controlled narratives that hide the existence of the Phantom Matrix.[3]

Black Sun Program

Reptilian in Astral
The Negative Alien agenda NAA is to force the planet to serve another multiple species Controller agenda, through imposing false replicated time fields using bio-warfare technology such as Holographic Inserts, AI and Mind Control, namely created under genetic reptilian-insectoid Archon extraterrestrials, at the expense and life force of the human race and the kingdoms under human domain. Much of the NAA is veiled behind the shadow levels of the ET and human military industrial complex, the primarily takeover access is the naval forces and in the underground bases on the earth. It appears the earth was invaded several times by hostile Negative Aliens with a major shift occurring 26,000 years ago during the Luciferian Rebellion, Atlantian Cataclysm and leading to the latest events in the Sumerian-Egypt Invasion. These agendas are still in effect today and impact all human and earthly life as a enforced enslavement on a Prison Planet, being harvested for a variety of resources to send back to off planet Controllers, such as harvesting the energetic quanta of the human life force and earthly minerals.

Black Sun Agenda for Debt Currency
The system of debt based currency used as the current global monetary system was originally brought to the earth by the Alpha Draconis Orion Group. These entities have organized themselves on the earth in what is called the Black Sun Agenda. The Draco Reptilians of the Orion Group view themselves as the most intelligent species in the Universe and believe that earth humans have descended from their biological seeding processes, from multiple planets they have conquered. Therefore they believe humans, as well as the earth, are their personal property and have instituted the global slavery system via the indoctrination of debt-based currency. One should be aware that on many other planets, monetary systems do not exist, and all inhabitants born onto the planet are considered free citizens with equal rights to flourish in the global society that is organized by that planet’s system of government. A planetary system ruled by debt currency in which one has to pay for their basic shelter, food and healthcare from birth is considered a Prison Planet.[4]

Prison Colony
Some of these Black Sun factions decided to use the earth as a Prison Planet for trapping and containing all undesirables, including those entities that were not compliant to their authoritarian militarized rule or were straight out criminals and degenerate perverts. Thus, the earth and the Solar System became known in the Black Sun Orion Group as the prison colony, as they would not let anyone out of the earth’s reincarnation cycles via technological frequency fences and soul harvesting structures. The Black Suns consider earth their territory and believe that surface earth people are criminal prisoners, which extends to them the right to abduct humans for an assortment of working slave colonies. These are the underground and off planet bases like Ceres, coming to light as whistleblowers remember their experiences as Milabs and being recruited into the Secret Space Programs, that are both involved in galactic Human Trafficking.[5]

Hibernation Zones
Additional phantom area pockets or zones were created during the Atlantian Cataclysm through reversal electron or Light reversals made in sections of the earths field that were intended to inhabit by the NAA and intruding races to enslave the planet and humanity. This connects with the NETs that turned earth into a Prison Planet.

[Pilutaq]

Alec Newald first contacted us in 1995 about publishing his book,
CoEvolution, describing his ten-day round trip to his abductors'
homeworld, Haven, and the Earth-based controversy it created. Here
we publish some intriguing excerpts from his soon-to-be-released book. Ed.
His amazing
experiences have
great significance
for the future of
humanity and our
galactic cousins.
by Alec Newald ©1996-97
Extracted from Chapters 4, 5, 6
of his book
— CoEvolution—
Published by NEXUS Publications
Mapleton, Qld, Australia, 1997
THE EARTH SEEN IN A DIFFERENT LIGHT
I must have gone to sleep almost immediately.
When I opened my eyes again, Zeena was sitting opposite my cubicle.
"Verva," she said. "Did you sleep well?"
"Like a rock," I replied.
"Curious expression," was her reply.
"How long has it been?" I added, enquiring as to the length of my sleep.
"One half of an Earth day—twelve hours," she answered.
"What's 'verva'?" I asked.
"Oh, 'good spirit, fresh energy to you'. It is a greeting we use a lot, like your 'hel-
lo'," she explained.
"What's on the schedule?" I enquired.
"Some more liquid replacement for you," was her reply. "Come on. We have only
two more of your Earth days and there is much to learn if you desire, and quite a few
questions I have for you, too, before I return home."
Zeena appeared most anxious, but how could she be more inquisitive than I? Even
though, I was still reeling from awakening to find myself 'dream-bound' and not back on
Earth as I had expected.
"Her home! Now there's something I'd like to know about," I thought to myself but
realised almost immediately that Zeena would read it.
"About the size of the planet Mars in your system," she replied, right on cue. "But it
is not in the best of health, for our sun is slowly dying and we are being roasted with
radiation. We are also losing our atmosphere. We can patch that up to a degree, but
not for ever."
"Doesn't sound good. What are you guys doing about it?" I asked.
"Well, we have been looking for a new home for many of your years. The best bet is
still Earth, but we cannot take your gravity, among other things. That has always been
the major factor but it is also not of the right conformation for us yet. It used to be,
but we are not quite like we used to be."

CoEvolutionArticle.pdf

https://nexusmagazine.com/free-downl...ad70939237c6#/

[rgray222]

Bill woke back up the intelligent design thread, which sparked a few random thoughts about extraterrestrial life.

I believe that extraterrestrial life throughout the universe is purpose-driven; by that I mean created through intelligent design. Logical reasoning makes humanity’s belief in evolution seem preposterous, even humorous. Imagine, for a moment, that there are thousands of alien civilizations across the cosmos. Are we to believe that each of these began by emerging from a primordial swamp billions of years ago, then miraculously evolved into a complex but primitive aquatic or land primates? Then to somehow morph into highly intelligent and exceedingly complex beings? That scenario stretches evolution beyond the breaking point.

I believe in God, and I also believe in extraterrestrials. This raises profound questions, especially when first contact occurs: What are their religious beliefs? We won't know that answer until first contact "officially" happens, but one thing we can think about, especially from a Christian perspective, is whether Jesus Christ died on the cross in all the inhabited planets? The thought prompts us to consider salvation, divine purpose, and enlightenment, which (in my mind) is another term for heaven or eternal life.

Intelligent design ridicules the theory of evolution, throws out the ridiculous and antiquated Big Bang theory and gives us many wonderful things to think about.

Our culture often depicts extraterrestrials as vastly different and benevolent, but logic suggests they may be more like us than we want to admit. While a small percentage of aliens might be extremely different from humans, most are likely to share more similarities than differences. We certainly would share consciousness, meaning and purpose to our lives.

[Agape]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=RzUFtZRk1vc

This is how life used to be like on some of our planets . Loosely .

😊

Team lab Planets and Team Lab Borderless, Tokyo 2025

https://borderless-planets.teamlab.a...xoClLIQAvD_BwE

[betoobig]

Thriving is a natural and unstopable process.... and as long as no one interferes thriving happens, but here on earth the story is very diferent bc we were doing well in our path and Annunakis came in INTERFERING, which is completly forbiden for obvious reasons.... The question is not how they thrive, but How could we thrive with our memory ereased and our luminic genes down to just a 2%?.... Impossible mission to thrive with someone smashing your head to the ground while saling you it is the normal and natural thing....Later on Reptilian saw what Annunakis had and so they wanted it for themselves. Reptilians tryed to take over, but they couldn´t so they associated with dracos.... Their dominance over us is finished and now we are goinf to see how we thrive.... and, more than thrive, is to simply go back to our natural state of being in 5D. THriving is natural procces while civilizations falling is by design.
Much love Bill

[Vicus]

One theme that come sometimes in sci-fi (like the Borgs in Star Trek) and now trough new technologist Mad scientist very hard try to implement...

This is one "pacifist" version...

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1693449

[Agape]

Posted by betoobig (here)
Thriving is a natural and unstopable process.... and as long as no one interferes thriving happens, but here on earth the story is very diferent bc we were doing well in our path and Annunakis came in INTERFERING, which is completly forbiden for obvious reasons.... The question is not how they thrive, but How could we thrive with our memory ereased and our luminic genes down to just a 2%?.... Impossible mission to thrive with someone smashing your head to the ground while saling you it is the normal and natural thing....Later on Reptilian saw what Annunakis had and so they wanted it for themselves. Reptilians tryed to take over, but they couldn´t so they associated with dracos.... Their dominance over us is finished and now we are goinf to see how we thrive.... and, more than thrive, is to simply go back to our natural state of being in 5D. THriving is natural procces while civilizations falling is by design.
Much love Bill

Bill, for sure . Suppose someone asked us and how did we get this far , in whatever subject too difficult to bite through ,
the answer may be anything from 10 commandments , 12 virtues , but mostly:
giving ourselves tasks impossible to sort,
following dreams and the unseen universe ,
filling the great voids with love.

But what's the proof ?
Our theories are still cracking , our narratives have logical mistakes
and pieces of art dissolve along with us .


From the shore of Space Sea, two distant , opposing voices shout "What did you say ? Aren't you too fast with it?"
After another 40 years of "trial and error" , the answer still always depends on the listener .



Merry Christmas

[betoobig]

Posted by Agape (here)

Posted by betoobig (here)
Thriving is a natural and unstopable process.... and as long as no one interferes thriving happens, but here on earth the story is very diferent bc we were doing well in our path and Annunakis came in INTERFERING, which is completly forbiden for obvious reasons.... The question is not how they thrive, but How could we thrive with our memory ereased and our luminic genes down to just a 2%?.... Impossible mission to thrive with someone smashing your head to the ground while saling you it is the normal and natural thing....Later on Reptilian saw what Annunakis had and so they wanted it for themselves. Reptilians tryed to take over, but they couldn´t so they associated with dracos.... Their dominance over us is finished and now we are goinf to see how we thrive.... and, more than thrive, is to simply go back to our natural state of being in 5D. THriving is natural procces while civilizations falling is by design.
Much love Bill

Bill, for sure . Suppose someone asked us and how did we get this far , in whatever subject too difficult to bite through ,
the answer may be anything from 10 commandments , 12 virtues , but mostly:
giving ourselves tasks impossible to sort,
following dreams and the unseen universe ,
filling the great voids with love.

But what's the proof ?
Our theories are still cracking , our narratives have logical mistakes
and pieces of art dissolve along with us .


From the shore of Space Sea, two distant , opposing voices shout "What did you say ? Aren't you too fast with it?"
After another 40 years of "trial and error" , the answer still always depends on the listener .



Merry Christmas

Taking thought where is never been before... basically...
Merry Xmas

[Heart to heart]

EXTRA-TERRESTRIALS I HAVE KNOWN

and one in particular who went by the name of ONAL.

BILL, I HAD INTENDED PUTTING THIS ON A RECENT THREAD BUT IT IS NO LONGER UP AND RUNNING. Please feel free to move it if you wish ♥️

Of course I didn’t actually meet him but Margo Williams did, and I would like to share his information as I was present for every communication.

This is directly from my personal notes at the time.

It was May 1991 when Margo received a quiet message informing her there were men from the stars around again, and the suggestion was made that we travel west. We drove to Newtown Quay on the Isle of Wight where a few words were given to the effect that the craft was overhead and if we went a little further on and sat somewhere quiet in the car more information would be received.
There was a wood, Walter’s Copse, nearby and here we stopped. At first Margo became aware of a babble of voices, then a clear voice spoke directly to her saying that his words were being translated.
The speaker was ONAL, from a planet very distant from Earth known to him as ILA, and they were also visiting other planets in order to set up a colony. They did like Earth, but not the bad humans and their warring ways as they have no war on ILA.

They had visited Earth previously in 1955, and had been seen in the southern states of America, but the people had been afraid of them, so had not returned until now.
They do have similarities to humans, but are very small, about knee height to us, with large ears. He referred to us as Giants!

His name ONAL means “strength in eyes, ears, and mind.” He told Margo she had “different eyes and ears” and that was why she could see and hear them. Should we return to Walter’s Copse on a bright sunny day he would speak again ‘where the air is good’ as it is not good in many places, and some of it is very bad, adding even Ventnor is not pure enough, and when Margo returns she may see one, two, or three of these friendly beings who would never hurt anyone.

Later that day I checked on any Close Encounters in 1955 and found the one mentioned by ONAL, in HOPKINSVILLE, KENTUCKY,
(Please check it out for yourselves)

If you have followed my work you will know that Margo could also see and communicate with the Fairy Realm of the Elementals, and on a visit to Hardingshute the next day we were walking through a field towards a wood when our attention was caught by a tree that had been struck by lightning. As Margo glanced upwards she glimpsed a peacock-blue fairy peeping at us from a fir tree a little further in the wood. Although she pointed it out to Walter and me neither of us could see it. We don’t have her eyes and ears!

The iridescent elemental spoke with Margo, saying her name was KEMBA, and she knew that we had been spoken to by ONAL yesterday, that she and ONAL were friends, and when he first arrived on the planet he thought KEMBA was one of Earth’s people.
Apparently the fairies in the area look after the ducks on the nearby pond, and sometimes ride on their backs!
While she was speaking a hen pheasant walked very slowly past, looking carefully at us all with such gentle eyes. KEMBA remarked that the little bird was a messenger for the fairies, and that ONAL’s planet is a tiny pinprick of light to our eyes.

On the night of May 13th Margo had an OOBE and found herself travelling to the Seven Sister’s Field in Niton to see a large UFO landed there. She floated around, looking in all the lower windows and saw five beings inside, all about 4feet tall, thick set, in greyish one piece suits with bright silver belts. They all wore skullcaps, appeared shadowy in substance, and presented their backs to her even when she floated round to the other side to look in.
Ther were many instruments on the walls around the lower left, and the bright light inside seemed to be coming from the walls.
She floated up to look in the upper windows; inside it was full of levers around the walls, like a signal box, and two more in the floor.
The ship was very large, bigger than the original circle mark in the field that was about 30 feet across.

On Sunday afternoon Margo, Walter and I visited the field but no marks were to be seen.
JANE TAYLOR, her guide who works with the men from the stars, told her the craft was very light and made of a metal unknown on Earth, and that they were ONAL’s people.

To be continued……

[Heart to heart]

To continue ….

We did return to Walter’s Copse to hear from ONAL. He told us that the small craft which left the large ship ( what we would call the Mothership) was hidden in a hollow deep in the woods where no human could find it. The large craft waited above the Earth, way beyond any radar or telescopic sight. Their intentions are entirely peaceful, and they would be here for another three and a half weeks. The purpose of the visit being to investigate the soil, the plants, and insect life on Earth.

If Margo would go a little further into the woods she would see him.

ONAL explained to her that he is able to move very quickly, in fact faster than our transport that flies people and goods over the ocean, and can vanish at will!

Margo walked into the woods as directed and he suddenly appeared about ten yards away with an identical companion.he said he would not be able to come too close to her as all human beings carry a virus that is harmful to him.

They both moved a little closer and she was able to see they were about three feet tall, with greenish-yellow silvery skin and clothing. They had large ears, hair like wool, and a pointed face with very dark eyes set to the side, and arms that hung below their knee’s rather like those of a monkey. He held up his hand to show his fingers, pointing to them with the other hand, showing her he only had 4 fingers! No thumb apparently!
Before vanishing he said “Come back, come back, come back,”

We did go back to be told by ONAL that he was very glad he had been seen last week, although his companion had been afraid of coming so close to a human as our skins give off a scent, both sweet and sickly, and contains a virus which would do them harm, hence the reason for keeping their distance.

He noted that circles had been made in the fields, one of which was made by aliens. The other two had been made by STUPID HUMANS! (His words). He asked us to look out for a NUMBER that will be made in the crops, and will be made by beings from an adjacent planet to ILA, as they too are able to make the circles!
ONAL hoped he would be able to leave one on the Island before returning to the Mothership.

They were hungry for their special food, which is red and circular, and may have to return to the Mothership for some before their final trip home. He would speak once more.

On the 6th of June a circle was reported in a rape field in the Arreton Valley. Margo and I visited the site and on entering the circle she experienced a tingling sensation and a pleasant warmth. I was warned not to enter because the strange energy within would cause my psoriasis to flare up.

Crop circles and strange marks had appeared in a field at Arreton Crossroads and Margo had an OOBE to have an overview of these. She saw many triangular formations and it seemed to her that ONAL had made an attempt to write his name.
Jane Taylor, her guide, verified this, saying that because it had been done from very high up it was not as clear as the circle in the rape field.
The triangular shapes represented the pyramid-shaped homes on ONAL’s planet.

ONAL spoke for the last time on June 13th before his return to ILA.

They had hoped to establish a colony on Earth, but decided against this due to the pollution.
Man is killing the planet and Nature will finish it!
He mentioned the 2 volcanoes that were erupting, the flooding (in Bangladesh), and drought in Africa.
Our means of transport is very primitive and the fumes are poisonous
On ILA they live in Pyramid-shaped buildings, not as families but as groups.
Their weather is warm, with no ice or snow, but they do have rain that helps their vegetation, which is blue, green, red and yellow, and different from Earth as they require different mineral elements than humans.
They live for 200 years and we should be living for 150 years, but our food and air is poison to us.

He knew of Margo’s OOBE to Arreton where he had indeed attempted to write his name, draw our country and his own, but had not been very successful as had drawn England in reverse!

His own people often have OOBEs.

Finally he warned us to watch the food we eat, and to stay where the air is clearer.

Those were his last words to us, but it is almost impossible these days with the use of pesticides and chemtrails covering our skies and our sun.

And so ONAL left our planet to return to a cleaner purer home among the stars.🌟

To be continued…….

[Violet3]

Suppose someone asked us and how did we get this far , in whatever subject too difficult to bite through ,
the answer may be anything from 10 commandments , 12 virtues , but mostly:
giving ourselves tasks impossible to sort,
following dreams and the unseen universe ,
filling the great voids with love.

But what's the proof ?
Our theories are still cracking , our narratives have logical mistakes
and pieces of art dissolve along with us .


From the shore of Space Sea, two distant , opposing voices shout "What did you say ? Aren't you too fast with it?"
After another 40 years of "trial and error" , the answer still always depends on the listener .


Merry Christmas

Pure poetry, loved it. Thankyou and Merry Christmas to you also.

[rgray222]

Posted by Agape (here)

Bill, for sure . Suppose someone asked us and how did we get this far , in whatever subject too difficult to bite through ,
the answer may be anything from 10 commandments , 12 virtues , but mostly:
giving ourselves tasks impossible to sort,
following dreams and the unseen universe ,
filling the great voids with love.

But what's the proof ?
Our theories are still cracking , our narratives have logical mistakes
and pieces of art dissolve along with us .

From the shore of Space Sea, two distant , opposing voices shout "What did you say ? Aren't you too fast with it?"
After another 40 years of "trial and error" , the answer still always depends on the listener .

Merry Christmas

We will always be in search of understanding; the imperfection of our knowledge makes our journey for answers very personal and elusive. But we must celebrate perseverance and, at the same time, acknowledge that each person has the right to interpret our collective journey in a way that is very personal and meaningful to their current life.

We are assisted by reincarnating through different lives, but we are hindered by believing that we can only impact or affect this one life. Although it may seem impossible to grasp at times, each day our knowledge slowly expands, and our understanding of life gradually becomes a little clearer, guiding us closer to the truth. Our lives follow design. The simple truth of that statement makes human life worth living.

Merry Christmas

[Ernie Nemeth]

I believe there is a point that has not been made as yet.

In alien worlds the race of intelligent beings were probably denizens of that world. We are not, and there are more than one race here.

Maybe that is why we cannot form a one-world government.

The races here from many different star systems are natural enemies and this reality is an experiment never tried before.


Meanwhile, back in the mists of time each race on each star did form one world governments, then together started the grand experiment here on planet Earth.

[Irminsül]

Posted by Mark (Star Mariner) (here)
They follow a totally different evolutionary track to us. They don't have free will like we do. We are not them.

Hi Mark! I see there’s a lot of interesting content in the exchanges in this thread. I share several of the concepts or ideas you’ve put forward. But there’s something I’d like to question you about. Why are you so sure that extraterrestrials don’t have free will? Where did you read that, or how did you arrive at that conclusion?

Within Christian theology, theosophy and anthroposophy we are told the following: in the angelic choirs that are faithful to the cosmic order, the will is already totally harmonized with the Good, so they don’t experience freedom as a moral conflict, as we do, but as a lucid collaboration with the divine plan. That’s why people usually say “angels don’t have free will.”

I draw a parallel between advanced extraterrestrial beings of the cosmos and angels, because that’s the first thing that comes to my mind after reading what you wrote. Do you see any relationship between these categories of beings?

I’d also like to share a psychography by Benjamin Solari Parravicini that speaks precisely about this:

The psychography says the following:

“They will appear flying in the heights, circles of lights, bringing strange beings from other planets. Yes, yes, they will be the ones who came to populate the Earth, it will be said, and it will be said rightly. Yes, those who were called angels in the Old Testament, or the voice of Jehovah, they will be. And once again they will be seen and they will be seen and they will be heard.”
B.S.P. – 1938

[Rawhide68]

"That’s why people usually say “angels don’t have free will.”

What are angels?

I had an "angel" experience as a child, which is very personal, so I dont go into that.
Several years later I had my UFO experience. I have never thought there could be a connection between the two.

Thanks for opening my mind Irminzul.
More confused than ever now, but that's the way we go down (or up) following the white rabbit...

[Irminsül]

Posted by Rawhide68 (here)
"That’s why people usually say “angels don’t have free will.”

What are angels?

I had an "angel" experience as a child, which is very personal, so I dont go into that.
Several years later I had my UFO experience. I have never thought there could be a connection between the two.

Thanks for opening my mind Irminzul.
More confused than ever now, but that's the way we go down (or up) following the white rabbit...

Hi Rawhide68! Thanks for sharing your experiences. There are many fascinating comments in this thread, and later I’ll give some feedback to other members of the forum about what they’ve shared. But I’ll start by replying to you.

According to Christianity, angels are another category of beings with characteristics different from those of humans. And connecting this with the main topic, according to Spiritism (Allan Kardec was its founder), the Creator made all spirits exactly the same, in such a remote time that we cannot even conceive of its nature. From those origins, some spirits quickly chose the right path and today are what we call angels (hierarchies of beings more evolved than us in every aspect), others advanced with ups and downs (current humans and other beings from other planets who are in the same situation as we are), and others directly chose the path opposite to God’s plan (the so-called demons).

It’s easy then, according to that understanding, to draw a parallel between evolved extraterrestrial races and angels, or between regressive races and demons. Jacques Vallée also proposed something similar to what I’m saying. I’m not saying it’s always like that or that the picture is completely uniform, but it seems to me that there is some relationship with what’s being discussed here.