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    In a previous article, I questioned what "ancient Saturn," as well as "ancient Sun" and "ancient Moon," represented!
    Saturn was not the representation of Chronos, time, but of heat and the element of fire.
    I will share with you some excerpts from Rudolf Steiner's book "Science of the Occult," in the chapter "Cosmic Evolution and the Human Being."

    [...] Spiritual science can give this first planetary incarnation the name Saturn; it calls the second the Sun, the third the Moon, and the fourth Earth. It must be strongly emphasized that these names have no relation whatsoever to those that designate the planets of our current solar system, which bear the same names. Here, Saturn, Sun, and Moon are names that designate the ancient forms of evolution through which our Earth passed. [...]

    To get a rough idea of ​​the conditions prevailing during Saturnian evolution, one must understand that, essentially, nothing yet existed of the creatures and things that are currently part of Earth and that we attribute to the mineral, vegetable, and animal kingdoms […] Entities of this kind were also present during Saturnian evolution, and it is their activity on Saturn that gave rise to the subsequent evolution of humankind. […]
    Let us try to completely disregard the heat emanating from external material bodies, and consider only the internal sensation one experiences when saying, "I feel hot" or "I feel cold." This internal experience alone can give us an idea of ​​what Saturn was like at the stage of its evolution we have just described. One could have traversed the entire space it occupied without encountering a gas capable of exerting pressure, or a liquid or solid body capable of producing a luminous impression. But at every point in this space, without the slightest external influence, one would have had the feeling that a certain degree of heat prevailed there. A person today could not observe ancient Saturn.

    The beings of which supersensible knowledge becomes aware when it observes Saturn were at a completely different stage of evolution than the terrestrial beings currently perceptible to the senses. Consciousness is confronted with beings that do not possess a physical body like ours […] The human physical body is not only subject to these laws, it is also imbued with mineral substance. However, on Saturn, there could not yet be any question of a mineral physical body of this kind […]

    The physical body was therefore a body of heat, thin, subtle, of an etheric nature. And all of Saturn was constituted by such bodies of heat. These bodies of heat constituted the first outline of the current human body, both physical and mineral. This latter body formed much later from the first, into which gaseous, liquid, and solid substances were incorporated. Among the non-human beings that appear before supersensible consciousness at the moment Saturn appears to it, and which can be considered inhabitants of Saturn […]

    Man possesses, as his highest element, the Spirit-Man. The Saturnian beings possessed an even higher element […] Like our Earth, Saturn was surrounded by an atmosphere, but this one was of a spiritual nature […] There were continuous exchanges between the calorific bodies of Saturn and the beings we have described. These beings immersed the components of their being in the physical heat bodies of Saturn […]
    […] If we seek to understand the origin of this “will,” we see it formed through the emanation of sublime beings who, by barely conceivable degrees, rose so high that, at the dawn of Saturnian evolution, they were capable of emanating this “will” from their own nature […]

    These beings, whose bliss lies in emanating from the will in the nascent universe of Saturn, can be called "Spirits of the Will" (Christian esoteric science calls them "Thrones"). Once a certain stage of Saturnian evolution was reached under the combined action of will and life, other entities that were also in Saturn's entourage became active. These can be called "Spirits of Movement" (in Christian language: "Dynamis" or "Virtues"). These beings possess neither a physical nor an etheric body. […]

    One could say that the "Spirits of Movement" make Saturn appear as a whole as a being endowed with a soul. […] To the supersensible vision, Saturn seems to be composed, at this stage of its evolution, of distinct Saturnian beings who possess neither personal life nor soul of their own, but who reflect the life and soul of the beings that inhabit it. […]

    We call the beings that produce this effect “Spirits of Personality” (in Christian terms, “Archai” or “Principalities”). They confer upon the Saturnian particles the appearance of personality. However, personality itself does not exist on Saturn; there is, as it were, only its image, the outer envelope of personality. The “Spirits of Personality” have their true personality in the Saturnian periphery. And it is precisely because these “Spirits of Personality” allow their nature to be reflected by the Saturnian bodies… that they are granted this subtle substance described above as “heat.” In all of Saturn there is no inner life, but the “Spirits of Personality” recognize the image of their own inner life in what Saturn transmits to them in the form of heat.
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    In the article about Saturn, I mentioned the previous article. First of all, there was a translation error in the title; Saturn is masculine, so it should be 'it's the ancient Saturn'.

    I am sharing the previous article related to Rudolf Steiner

    In this article, I would like to introduce a woman, Margarethe Hauschka, author of 'Therapeutic Painting,' which I have just read. These are articles dating from 1930/1931; the author was 34/35 years old at the time. They were compiled in this book in correspondence with a conjunction of the Moon and Chiron (the healer of the zodiac), and it couldn't have been more perfect timing.

    Margarethe Hauschka, a German physician and artist, was born on August 6, 1896. At the turn of phase 12 of her progressed cycle, a planetary cluster in conjunction with the South Node in Leo (Sun, Jupiter, Venus, and Mercury) predisposed her to seek, through her professional skills, the spiritual aspect in each of her patients at the Arlesheim clinic in Switzerland. She would then go on to create her painting method, inspired by the works of Goethe and Rudolf Steiner, with the aim of enhancing her approach toward a more human-centered and holistic medicine, using music, painting, and sculpture as mediums!

    After reading this book, I can say why I chose it unconsciously, for those little details about the planets.

    I am sharing a few excerpts with you:

    […] When human beings moved from existence on the ancient Sun to that of the ancient Moon, they carried the heritage of two stages of planetary evolution: from ancient Saturn, the gift of the first Hierarchy: heat, which vibrates in itself in darkness, and from the second Hierarchy on the ancient Sun, light and its dark shadow: air, formed by heat condensing. On the Moon, beings of the third Hierarchy enter these elements. They carry light into darkness, darkness into light. It is through their actions that color is born, a cosmic quality. Color marks the paths of these beings from light to darkness, from darkness to light. And just as air, the shadow of color, was born on the ancient Sun, water is the reflection, the product of the creation of color in the cosmos. This is how Rudolf Steiner describes the coming into being of color from a cosmic perspective. From the perspective of the human soul and spirit, one sees the ancient Moon approaching the moment when humanity had to enclose within itself a spirituality separated from its original source. Henceforth, it no longer rested in the fiber-to-fiber fusion with the entities around it. A sense of nostalgia was born within it. And to soothe it, the gods then gave it the inner experience of color and image […]
    […] This nocturnal world can only be conceived as spherical; it is represented in the Ptolemaic system, where the Earth is the center from which the soul takes flight through the planetary spheres up to Saturn and beyond, toward the fixed stars. It is this world that is reflected in the activity of the colored space […]

    […] An older humanity knew these relationships very well and also healed using something that Rudolf Steiner once called a 'spiritual regimen.' For example, people would try to compensate for an excessively strong Saturnian influence by recommending that the person take walks under the full moon. […]
    […] We also know that the outer planets particularly affect the human mind and soul at night; it is also they who modify the sunlight in the plant, coloring it […] In the past, it was known that the connection with the cosmos could be disturbed. The priest-physician working in the Mysteries knew how to release the higher constituent elements during a curative sleep, the experiences of which he himself would guide […]

    […] When, after the separation of the sun, the planets in turn found in cosmic space the foundation of their existence, they radiated their forces from the outside toward the earth in the process of solidification, and made the inner force of the cosmos appear in mineral bodies in the form of color. The light of the planets penetrated into the darkness of matter in the process of condensation […]
    […] We know from Rudolf Steiner that the forces of Saturn, Jupiter, and Mars, reflected by the siliceous rocks of the soil, penetrate and influence the color of the flower: the Moon, Mercury, and Venus act on the earth's environment even down to the form of the root […]
    […] If we consider that flowers owe their colors to the radiation of the higher planets (Saturn, Jupiter, Mars) reflected by the siliceous rocks of the soil […]

    […] In the opposite case of this poisoning by cold, there is fever, the fire of Saturn that consumes; here everything is under the influence of the Moon. The oppressed psyche is the soul captured in the lunar sphere. Any beneficial influence on this illness must take its starting point in the lunar sphere to find a way out. Every colored element has its root in the ancient Moon; but if it is traversed by the life process of the plant and thereby elevated to the level of current cosmic breathing, if the patient opens themselves to this progression, it leads the forces through the sun to the realm of the higher planets, toward the Saturnian warmth […].
    […] Here, it is the lunar plant that builds around the diseased tissues a barrier of Saturnian warmth […]

    […] the moral influence that colors exert on the soul, one could say that I elevate the color of intellectual judgment to the judgment of the heart. Experienced in this way, color enlivens the heart and the breath. Mercury seizes it and directs colored perceptions toward the domain of will through the rhythmic system […]
    […] A soft light surrounded by blue is the fundamental hue of the melancholic psyche, whose essential experience is always that of what goes on in the head, painted in infinite variations, whether one paints clouds, water, or crystals […] Yellow intensifies and begins to radiate, blue starts to penetrate it; the two mix and create green, blue forms with traces of yellow a blue-green core, I encourage intensifying the yellow to let it culminate in red […]

    Obviously, having a deeper understanding of Rudolf Steiner's work would make it easier to understand what he means by 'the old Sun, the old Moon, and the old Saturn.' If colors are important to the plant world and particularly to the mineral world, colors are also of great importance to the animal world and the human world...

    In the context of this article, I had not yet read the book 'The Science of the Occult' by Rudolf Steiner, which I already had in my library, so now you know a little more.

    Color Rudolf Steiner
    In my research, I had found this book in English.


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