The Urantia Book

[DNA]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by TomKat (here)
President Lyndon Johnson said if you're going to tell a lie, it has to be a whopper, or no one will believe it (hence the Gulf of Tonkin "attack"). I think after reading the huge Urantia book, very few people will believe it's just a tall tale. Yet there are tell tale signs, such as synchrony with Judeo Christian mythology. And Satania ... give me a break. Satan is derived from a word meaning Enemy and not from a name for our solar system. I used to interview demons via a medium who could do it. They are amazingly smart and are great at coming up with very detailed whoppers.

Yes. I've not read the book, but if it really does say that 'reincarnation is a false', then I'd suggest the entire thing can be viewed with profound suspicion.

Many invisible entities, large or small, whether ET or astral (and there may be some overlap in those two categories) can play games with humans for agendas of their own — ranging from the trivially mischievous to the deeply and malevolently interfering.

I've read the Urantia book and I never walked away from it with the impression that it argued against reincarnation.
The book may in fact say this, but if it does it certainly doesn't labor on the point.
And further, the book is the culmination of various "entities" who are responsible for various chapters. Each entity makes itself known and the chapter is assigned to them as author. It's kind of like how Edgar Cayce had various entities speaking through him, and in fact the entities in the Urantia Book, in my opinion sound like the exact same entities who spoke through Edgar Cayce.

The book tackles the idea of soul and afterlife in a manner that is far more complex than the basic sunday school sermon would prepare one for.
What I'm saying here is that there is a subtlety and there are layers to what is said.
Where as one person may walk away with the message that "reincarnation does not exist" another may walk away with the idea that "a tidepool is so incredibly unique as to never be the same regardless of the same ocean creating another".

I personally feel having the Castaneda material digested made it much easier for me to comprehend what is going on with the Urantia writings.
There are so many parallels between the two I often wondered after reading the Urantia book if Castaneda had gotten some of his esoteric ideas from the Urantia book.
As time has passed I've come to the conclusion that these two sources are simply telling the same truth.


There are little truths here and there in the Urantia book that are verified by modern science.
A book written in the 1920's, the Urantia book states with absolute assuredness as it gives the history of the earth, that dinosaurs didn't go extinct, they turned into birds.
This has been hammered out by paleontologists recently largely in part to a huge influx of fossil finds in China coming to light in the 1990's.
Another piece of data that has pinged rather well with modern archeology is the fate of Neanderthals.
The Urantia book claims that Neanderthals were hunted and eaten into extermination by modern man. Again this was quite the statement in the 1920's.
But again modern archeology has agreed on this point quite a bit as Neanderthal bones bearing butcher marks on them have come to light repeatedly.

[DNA]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by TomKat (here)
President Lyndon Johnson said if you're going to tell a lie, it has to be a whopper, or no one will believe it (hence the Gulf of Tonkin "attack"). I think after reading the huge Urantia book, very few people will believe it's just a tall tale. Yet there are tell tale signs, such as synchrony with Judeo Christian mythology. And Satania ... give me a break. Satan is derived from a word meaning Enemy and not from a name for our solar system. I used to interview demons via a medium who could do it. They are amazingly smart and are great at coming up with very detailed whoppers.

Yes. I've not read the book, but if it really does say that 'reincarnation is a false', then I'd suggest the entire thing can be viewed with profound suspicion.

Many invisible entities, large or small, whether ET or astral (and there may be some overlap in those two categories) can play games with humans for agendas of their own — ranging from the trivially mischievous to the deeply and malevolently interfering.

Let's say the Urantia does in fact state that reincarnation does not exist.
Wouldn't that feed rather well into your theory that souls are trapped here on earth by the tunnel of light they see when they die?
That reincarnation is unnatural and is a result of non-human entities keeping humans and their inherit souls enslaved on this planet?


John Lear's soul harvester on the moon as reported by Bob Lazar when he read the infamous "Yellow Book".

[Smell the Roses]

Posted by Michelle Marie (here)

Posted by latte (here)
This brings the Course in Miracles to mind, and to me both books are in the same highly suspect category.

About 10 years ago some friends insisted I would love TCIM and gave me the book. It has a daily reading and meditation and I gave it a go for a month or 2. It was one frustrating leap of logic to another, the story it told had no coherence and nothing made sense. Perhaps that was the point.

I even drove to a place where one of the 2 people involved from the beginning gave a lecture once a month - don't recall his name. Something about him made me very uncomfortable so I dropped the study and began to research it. I was a little surprised to find out the woman that had channeled it had a close connection to MK Ultra and the man did as well but not as close.

It seems everywhere you look, there they are.

Yes, the associations in the history of mind control - the dots connected by the timeline history - is very enlightening!

This link reveals even more of a comprehensive list and the information from the previous link is contained in it.

http://911nwo.com/?p=2154

I was hoping to find the publication: "UrantiaGate: A Concpiracy Theory" but I haven't found it yet. However, what is revealed on this site is worth a concentrated study. Not done yet...

MM

Michelle Marie, thank you for this link and the Alex Constantine link. This is extremely helpful to some research I am doing on MKULTRA. The cult in Arizona that I strongly suspect as being an MKULTRA experiment also reads and follows The Urantia Book. Their leader claims to be channeling the continuing revelation of The Urantia Book. Also, the leader brags about the time he spent with Duane Faw and Vern Grimsley. Duane Faw is identified in the Alex Constantine article as per his proximity to both the CIA and the Urantia Foundation.

[Foxie Loxie]

A Big Lesson I have learned late in life.....it is not helpful to one's self to follow a "book"....OR....to follow a person!

We are each a Sovereign, Eternal Being & need to stand in our own sovereignty.....this is the Big Secret they have been keeping from us for centuries!

[urantianx]

Posted by Michelle Marie (here)

Posted by latte (here)
This brings the Course in Miracles to mind, and to me both books are in the same highly suspect category.

About 10 years ago some friends insisted I would love TCIM and gave me the book. It has a daily reading and meditation and I gave it a go for a month or 2. It was one frustrating leap of logic to another, the story it told had no coherence and nothing made sense. Perhaps that was the point.

I even drove to a place where one of the 2 people involved from the beginning gave a lecture once a month - don't recall his name. Something about him made me very uncomfortable so I dropped the study and began to research it. I was a little surprised to find out the woman that had channeled it had a close connection to MK Ultra and the man did as well but not as close.

It seems everywhere you look, there they are.

Yes, the associations in the history of mind control - the dots connected by the timeline history - is very enlightening!

This link reveals even more of a comprehensive list and the information from the previous link is contained in it.

http://911nwo.com/?p=2154

I was hoping to find the publication: "UrantiaGate: A Concpiracy Theory" but I haven't found it yet. However, what is revealed on this site is worth a concentrated study. Not done yet...

MM

Hey Everyone.

This about URANTIA is FALSE.

Urantia is so much about Love and Loving, that it is absolutely false it has anything to do with mind control, because Urantia is the antithesis of the mind control techniques which are used mainly by the U.S. gov and Urantia is against that and their Lucifer leader.

Wanna debate with me, Michelle Marie, how Urantia is a real divine revelation???

[urantianx]

Posted by Michelle Marie (here)

Posted by Universoul (here)
I haven't looked at it yet but from the critical comments it doesn't seem like a necessary read. The good messages it does seem to have can be gotten elsewhere.

From what others have said, the book seems to be promoting luciferian viewpoint. A little bit of new age fluff helps the negativity go down.

The thing is anyone can approach spiritual concepts (many of which have substantial basis but get thrown into "new ageism"). The nature/truth/orientation of a person or group is going to eventually reveal itself when they attempt to speak these concepts to others.

We all show our follies and wisdom when we attempt to speak those larger than life concepts. Which is fine, if it's from the heart and presented without agenda for others to believe/follow it.

The luciferic (or theosophic/masonic/whatnot) slant to the Urantia book seems to reveal itself without much effort. I think we should be wary of the source and intention of these messages. It doesn't seem like those who made it did so from a truly loving or advanced place. Which goes to show that those on a negative slant will go to great lengths to deceive others.

The irony is for as much as the control-fixated care about evolution in a material way (eugenics, ivory tower thinking) they do what they do because they don't want to evolve in a soulful way. They work to stay rulers of a dark bubble closed off from the the universe/natural flow (of whatever higher source you relate best to). So they are incapable of evolving (in their current states). They're mislead, by entities that are mislead, and so on.

The energy behind communication is important. This is something our modern world often fails to grasp, with many trying to claim ultimate truth (and authority). We want ultimate truth where as the truth tends to reveal itself to us when it's good and ready, and even then the nature of creation/universe is often a paradox. Perhaps it is that way as a test. It probably drives the control-fixated crazy knowing that they can never fully control it, and it would overload them (and the false selves they cling to) if they tried to open up to its awe inspiring vastness and multitude of possibilities/consciousness (in their current states).

The universe can test anyone quite easily and is probably set up to do so (so false love/light doesn't advance and controlling mindsets imprison themselves). We often have to work at our discernment. The energy of the communicator is important before there is any communication. Which is to say if the source has an authoritative (in a dark/controlling way) slant to it, then it's good to be wary of anything expressed from that source.

We could all stand to evolve our ability to read energy and symbolic nature of messages. I would say that is more important than finding "THE truth" (and listening to truthsayers and whistleblowers who claim ultimate truth). It's presumptuous for anyone at this 3D level to claim ultimate truth of creation/universe/and so forth, and that those things can be explained with 3D/lower intellect thinking. Higher truth is something we can/might meet in ourselves as we develop. The task then is not finding and grabbing the "truth", it's developing ourselves and inner alignments to meet it (without expectation). It's the state of thou that is the proof in the pudding, that resonates and aligns with truth.

Those who do glance higher truth, any bit of the multi dimensional picture, tend to be more centered anyways (at those types of experiences tend to be centering and harmonizing). Not claim to have THE truth but rather share what they've glanced.

Yet there's also a difference between someone who is eager to share what they've experienced and can be pushy about it, and disinfo with the intention to control and misdirect.

Yes, "consider the source" and the slant to it...we can feel the Truth when we are attuned to it and can sense the intentions, motives, and agendas that are "off" even if we can't put our finger on it. I know someone who is seriously pushing this book, has a study group, and espouses the information in it as it relates to eugenics...basis being overpopulation, etc.

My soul was repulsed by this, but I didn't understand why. I hadn't read the book and had no real opinion about it. My heart KNEW, though.

At this website, I learned more about the actual history of the book:
http://alexconstantine.blogspot.com/...d-control.html

(I mentioned it earlier, but hadn't read all the details to the end. I'm still delving into it...)
A Urantia, 9/11Truth.org & CIA Mind Control Technology Development Timeline

From the beginninn...
"1942 – British Intelligence, in New York, helps America set up its own intelligence agency, the Office of Strategic Services (OSS).

c. 1942-1944 – Future URANTIA Book translator, Jacques Weiss, fights with the French Resistance. Thus, he is presumably in contact with the OSS, which during these years was helping the "Free French". Sooner or later Weiss would reportedly claim he followed invisible purported celestials whom he called the "hierarchy" (also see, 1980 and 1962). "

Terms identified in the middle...'NOTE: The labels "brainwashing victims" and "Manchurian candidates" will evolve through "hypno-patsies" to, currently, mental or emotional "clones".'

"1970 – Future URANTIA Foundation trustee, NSA-trained Neal Waldrop enters the U.S. Navy, attends Officer Candidate School. "

"– The printing plates for The URANTIA Book are destroyed after the second printing by the URANTIA Foundation, thus severing the last physical link between the published work and the original "Papers", and thereby erasing a benchmark for future scholars and translators. "

[NOTE 2: It may be speculated that if Vern was an unwitting CIA (MKULTRA/ORD) subject, the withdrawal of its influence from the Urantia movement could have allowed for the "sacrifice" of Vern as a red herring and stepping stone for putting an NSA operative into a leadership position. In any event, the "voices" eliminated the widely acknowledged major contender, the "voices" caused the movement to be divided over the issue of belief in them (see for instance, "Special report to the Readers of The URANTIA Book: URANTIA Foundation Ends Its Relationship With The Former URANTIA Brotherhood", by URANTIA Foundation, April 1990, p. 15 and p. 19-3), and afterwards "NSA Neal" Waldrop was put into the catbird seat (see, 1989).]

"– The new URANTIA Foundation Board of Trustees at this time consists of three of Vern Grimsley's college fraternity brothers: Foundation President Martin Myers, Hoite Caston and Richard Keeler (as of July). Also on the board are Patricia Sadler Mundelius (who, of course, bears the honored Sadler name), and Neal Waldrop (as of August), a Foreign Service Officer with a NSA background.. "

"1991 – A URANTIA Book study group member in Woods Cross, Utah begins channeling a purported celestial named "Ham". This becomes the second TeaM group, and the first to appear in the United States. For a number of years thereafter the procedure for a study group to obtain a "teacher" to channel was that they must first telephone their request to the Woods Cross channeler, who would forward it on to the purported celestial during a "contact". It is now presumably just as possible for the massive email and telephone monitoring programs currently being run by NSA and its data-sharing partner nations to flag any interest voiced in these communications mediums by persons desiring "personal" or group "teachers" ("purported celestials" who are believed to communicate intra-intellect) as it is for them to flag the words "cocaine" or "bomb". It should be noted that not all who desire these "teachers" get them. "

"1991-1992 – A manuscript copy of this writer's, "URANTIAGATE: The Conspiracy Theory", consisting of much that appears here, is mailed to the URANTIA Foundation at its headquarters office, to each individual Foundation Trustee, and to other movement leaders. "

"1993 – Revised Spanish language translation is published. It has flaws of its own and continues many of the 1986 version's problems.

– U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms officers and David Koresh's Branch Davidians exchange gunfire at the Davidian compound outside of Waco, Texas. This precipitates a 51-day FBI siege which ends in a conflagration that gutted the building which the cult was defending and left Koresh, who followed a "voice" which he believed to be that of "God", and 82 of his followers, including children, dead. Autopsies revealed that a number of the adult male victims did not die by flames but had received twin fatal gunshot wounds in their heads which had been administered by a person or persons unknown during the fire.

[NOTE1: For what it is worth, convicted Watergate burglary conspirator, G. Gordon Liddy, maintained on his syndicated radio talk-show that the FBI hostage rescue teams, such as besieged the Branch Davidians, cross-train with Navy Seals (Liddy is an ex-FBI Special Agent and one of Liddy's sons is a Seal Officer). The Seals, the elder Liddy maintained, are taught a method of execution called "double popping", which consists of two shots fired in rapid succession into the head of the victim. The Seals are also known to cover their tracks by fire.]

[NOTE2: Interestingly, but perhaps coincidentally, Koresh's presumed direct communication with "God" ceased immediately following the initial BATF shootout. It was not restored until after two separate individuals, days apart, crossed FBI lines surrounding the compound and entered the besieged Davidian headquarters. One must wonder if some hidden transmitting equipment had been accidentally knocked out and required repair or replacement. Both people left the compound before the fire.]"
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The correlations mentioned in this article with names and dates (some said to be approximate), are the telltale signs of the origins and intentions of the Urantia book. Those pushing the agendas contained therein don't seem to be working from Original Intelligence. (or you may say "brainwashed" as opposed to thinking for one's Self.)

The good thing is, once we we how these things fit together and how extensive the negative agenda is pushed, making minions out of people, you become aware enough to avoid such traps. The developed conscience sheds light on information presented and discernment provides protection.

I'm so thankful the truth is coming out so much in the world.

Thanks to all. I've learned a lot from this thread.
Michelle Marie

Anyone wanna debate with me why URANTIA is real and a loyal divine revelation, and not a spiritual channeling, but it is a direct divine revelation?

[DNA]

Hi UrantianX...
Maybe you could elaborate on the personal adjuster. I find this subject fascinating.
A personally connected entity to each and every person who is born.
A force that operates on cosmic rules. A consciousness with no human resemblance.
Imbued with consciousness yet so mysterious even angels are in awe and reverence.
This force is I believe referred to as a slice of God.
The goal being to unite and become one with the person it is attached to when the human has achieved the proper level and configuration.

[urantianx]

Hey DNA
besides the Thought Adjuster, we have increasing confirmation of the Urantia Revelation everyday and though Thought Adjusters do not live in the brain, we have this:
https://members.urantiabook.org/arti...in-hemispheres
also this ongoing confirmation website of
the science and world history of the Urantia Revelation:
https://UBannotated.com

[urantianx]

Anyone wanna debate with me why URANTIA is real and a loyal divine revelation, and not a spiritual channeling, but it is a direct divine revelation?

I know Urantia since around 2002.
I have read it fully once and since then i have researched till today.
One of the things we must understand is that Mind Control has nothing to do with Urantia.
Because yes there were people who were NSA trained.
Others that were associated with the Urantia book and believed in 'voices' and were into spiritual channeling.
But Urantia is against spiritual channeling (spiritualism/mediumship), etc: from Urantia's page :

77:8.10 (865.3)Midwayers vary greatly in their abilities to make contact with the seraphim above and with their human cousins below. It is exceedingly difficult, for instance, for the primary midwayers to make direct contact with material agencies. They are considerably nearer the angelic type of being and are therefore usually assigned to working with, and ministering to, the spiritual forces resident on the planet. They act as companions and guides for celestial visitors and student sojourners, whereas the secondary creatures are almost exclusively attached to the ministry of the material beings of the realm.

77:8.11 (865.4)The 1,111 loyal secondary midwayers are engaged in important missions on earth. As compared with their primary associates, they are decidedly material. They exist just outside the range of mortal vision and possess sufficient latitude of adaptation to make, at will, physical contact with what humans call “material things.” These unique creatures have certain definite powers over the things of time and space, not excepting the beasts of the realm.

77:8.12 (865.5)Many of the more literal phenomena ascribed to angels have been performed by the secondary midway creatures. When the early teachers of the gospel of Jesus were thrown into prison by the ignorant religious leaders of that day, an actual “angel of the Lord” “by night opened the prison doors and brought them forth.” But in the case of Peter’s deliverance after the killing of James by Herod’s order, it was a secondary midwayer who performed the work ascribed to an angel.

77:8.13 (865.6)Their chief work today is that of unperceived personal-liaison associates of those men and women who constitute the planetary reserve corps of destiny. It was the work of this secondary group, ably seconded by certain of the primary corps, that brought about the co-ordination of personalities and circumstances on Urantia which finally induced the planetary celestial supervisors to initiate those petitions that resulted in the granting of the mandates making possible the series of revelations of which this presentation is a part. But it should be made clear that the midway creatures are not involved in the sordid performances taking place under the general designation of “spiritualism.” The midwayers at present on Urantia, all of whom are of honorable standing, are not connected with the phenomena of so-called “mediumship”; and they do not, ordinarily, permit humans to witness their sometimes necessary physical activities or other contacts with the material world, as they are perceived by human senses.