Moral Relativism

[Delight]

Lisa Renee has been writing for years and this is from the latest Energetic Synthesis posting. Seems relative here. My question is concerning "morality" as a way of keeping us from standing up for ourselves. If everything we base our interpretations upon is a lie... what an ONTOLOGICAL SHOCK to see the truth. Is it even possible to accept?

Bifurcation Madness and Moral Wounds of Betrayal
Many of us are acutely aware by observing the accumulative effects of the bifurcation cycle, in which a point of divergence has occurred in the perception of reality and the energetic chasm is growing wider between the 3D controlled narratives and those waking up and seeking truth on the ascending path. This is the time to take stock of how well we are coping with the Bifurcation Madness on the Earth by registering the forces of chaos that exert extreme stress in our lives. Observing the dark ignorance of collective unconsciousness and discerning how we achieve spiritual strength and emotional stability as the collective mind of humanity travels the rocky path of the Dark Night of the Soul. There are groups of humans that are connected to a static third dimensional morphogenetic blueprint, and there are groups of humans connected to a fifth dimensional and higher frequency morphogenetic blueprint. This energetic chasm generates difficulty in connecting harmoniously or clearly communicating with those groups that are stationed on static or descending timeline possibilities, as they simply cannot see or perceive what those on the higher timelines are seeing and perceiving.

As the ascending community, it is wise to prepare ourselves to better comprehend the deep spiritual wounds, the moral wounding that we may feel bubbling up within ourselves, and will result when the entire world of the asleep masses is shocked awake by the painful revelations of disclosure.

Moral wounds are deep emotional and spiritual wounds that cause profound moral injury that can happen after being severely betrayed by someone and something you considered an authority or deeply trusted and believed in.

Moral wounds or moral injury refer to the deep psychological, spiritual and emotional harm from experiencing, perpetrating, witnessing or failing to prevent acts that violate one's core moral beliefs. These may lead to emotional feelings of intense guilt, shame, self-hatred, loss of trust, and alienation, distinct from but often coinciding with PTSD. These profound spiritual wounds are common in military, healthcare and other high-stakes fields, that stem from betrayals by authority in charge or self, and challenge the individual’s sense of goodness and a just world.

Now amplify that mental and emotional pain by thousands and consider how you will feel and how others will feel, when it’s revealed that all we believed or thought was important in our lives – our religion, our education, our life’s work – it all turns out to be lies. The many lies told in our rewritten history along with complex deceptions that were perpetrated in order to divide and conquer humanity into consciousness slavery through the gradual infiltration of an invading anti-human force.

It is probable that it will take some time for the population to heal from full spectrum mind control programs, when a mass awakening of global betrayal and moral injury is catalyzed through shocking revelations of the nature of deceptions, as what we thought was real in our world turns out to be a major production to capture our collective consciousness. The phase we are living through now is that these global lies of 3D Looking Glass of the false reality of Wonderland will be revealed at some point. And seeing the deceptions, many things that we believed in since we were children will be shown to be intentional lies told with malintent to trick and deceive humanity. All of this can be excruciatingly painful both individually and collectively, as the entire world will be forced to wake up and see what has happened to capture and enslave humanity and they will feel the extreme betrayal.

The same spiritual betrayal many of us felt when we first awakened and realized the lies that we had been told by someone or something we had trusted and realized how horrendous and cruel these lies were, it deeply transformed us. We have been deceived and lied to about everything that we thought was important in our lives in this human civilization. And when the real purpose is revealed that we have been subjected to industrial scale galactic human trafficking, our children bred to be used as sacrifices and slaves for other races, it will stretch people to their potential breaking point. When the entire population finds out that an extremely long spiritual war has been raging covertly and our enemies have used extremely advanced technologies hidden from us in order to conquer our civilization, who then perpetrated full spectrum mind control programs in which to treat us as cattle and make us slaves, what then? This is when we awaken from the horror movie and register that we have been subjected to the worst kind of spiritual and moral betrayals imaginable.

Most people will not have the capacity to change or adapt that quickly to handle that sudden shift in perception and awareness. Most people require mental and emotional healing as well as spiritual healing from such an immense spiritual wounding and unbelievable consciousness betrayal. Thus, the planetary healing process will take time and consistent exposure to the authentic truth when learning about our hidden history and when given the knowledge about the true nature of our spiritual anatomy and eternal connection with God source.

This awakening will be brutal for those who are adjusted to the many lies told in this deceptive reality, but humanity must awaken during the final ascension cycle in which to never submit again to the consciousness slavery and SRA torture that humanity has been subjugated to with this alien invasion. And as the final phases of this covert war are beginning to be surfaced into view, this brings in the wild cards, when the controllers cannot hide or contain the spiritual war and it spills out into the public. Now what? At the right timing, all Earth citizens will require some awareness of what has happened to humanity in these hidden Galactic Wars in order to catalyze the major planetary healing that will be necessary.

The truth is coming out, and we will need to understand what we are looking at in the globalscape is the dismantling of the alien cube systems of the Looking Glass, the 3D human enslavement matrix of Wonderland, orchestrated from deep underground in the icy terrain of Antarctica.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Shaberon, the response was long and I am not sure what your answer is.

Is it that moral relativism is not a topic of consideration for one grounded in moral action/thought because such a one already practices, let's call it, right action?
Or was it that moral relativism is the only type of morals there can be since it is a subjective experience?

Could you clarify?

[Delight]

I think this goes here. I heard Mark Passio say in another podcast that the basic "sin" is theft. The deadly sins all steal something from another. I have been thinking that the golden rule is key. But to know how to apply the golden rule, one really needs to heal one's heart. What if one is broken and ACTUALLY seeks self destruction? That would explain wanting to hurt others as one wishes to be hurt. In shadow work we reach deeply into our soul.

Mark Passio | Shadow Work
December 25, 2025
Freedom Under Natural Law

Passio explains how shadow work—brutal self-honesty, moral responsibility, and dismantling ego and fear—is inseparable from true freedom, and why objective morality, not belief or hope, governs human liberation. This conversation is challenging, uncomfortable, and meant to push you out of comfort and into real action, clarity, and personal responsibility.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=rJtNcBVvcjc

[rgray222]

Research by social psychologist Namrata Goyal examines what drives contemporary political disagreements today. Based on survey data from 59 countries covering hundreds of thousands of people, the research suggests that the fundamental political divide isn't really about conservative versus liberal positions on specific issues, but rather reflects a deeper philosophical split in how people think about morality itself.

The key finding is that conservatives tend to embrace moral absolutism, the belief that certain actions are always right or wrong regardless of context, while liberals lean toward moral relativism, viewing moral judgments as dependent on circumstances, intentions, and cultural meaning.

This shows up in concrete ways. For example, when the researchers analyzed millions of tweets, conservative users were much more likely to use categorical language like "always wrong" or "never okay," while liberal users' language reflected more nuanced, context-dependent thinking.

The research might be useful in the sense that by understanding this philosophical difference, we can see why so many current debates, over education curriculum, historical monuments, "cancel culture," and more, escalate so quickly and feel impossible to resolve. The two sides aren't just disagreeing about facts or outcomes; they're operating from fundamentally different frameworks about what morality is and how it works.



Source: https://insights.collective-evolution.com/

[rgray222]

Duplicate post, removed

[norman]

Posted by rgray222 (here)
Research by social psychologist Namrata Goyal examines what drives contemporary political disagreements today. Based on survey data from 59 countries covering hundreds of thousands of people, the research suggests that the fundamental political divide isn't really about conservative versus liberal positions on specific issues, but rather reflects a deeper philosophical split in how people think about morality itself.

The key finding is that conservatives tend to embrace moral absolutism, the belief that certain actions are always right or wrong regardless of context, while liberals lean toward moral relativism, viewing moral judgments as dependent on circumstances, intentions, and cultural meaning.

This shows up in concrete ways. For example, when the researchers analyzed millions of tweets, conservative users were much more likely to use categorical language like "always wrong" or "never okay," while liberal users' language reflected more nuanced, context-dependent thinking.

The research might be useful in the sense that by understanding this philosophical difference, we can see why so many current debates, over education curriculum, historical monuments, "cancel culture," and more, escalate so quickly and feel impossible to resolve. The two sides aren't just disagreeing about facts or outcomes; they're operating from fundamentally different frameworks about what morality is and how it works.



Source: https://insights.collective-evolution.com/

That's kind of interesting, if you are addicted that much bullcrap, I guess.

It's really an intelectualist diversion from the simple truth. There's a lot of it about, still. I can't say I have much useful stuff to say about it, or even want to, other than it confirms that the division among us is deep and deadly.

[petra]

I think I must be a moral relativist because of things like "kill or be killed"
I've never killed anybody by the way and I hope I never have to

[sdv]

Moral relativism is the view that moral judgments are true or false only relative to some particular standpoint (for instance, that of a culture or a historical period) and that no standpoint is uniquely privileged over all others.

Those who claim that there is such a thing as moral absolutism are usually attached to a belief system that they want to impose on others (domination, hegemony ...).

Through institutions such as religion, constitutions, international organizations, people group together and agree on shared morals (value), but even they are not absolute. A country may agree to abide by a set of moral values it shares with other nations, but will ignore those same values when it thinks it is in its interests. That is why we have wars, invasions, assassinations, regime changes by outside force, genocides, economic warfare. None of those actions are in line with the shared moral values of international law, yet the people who commit those actions use morality to justify their actions.

I actually think that religions are very useful in helping humanity find moral values that we can treat as absolute. Religion also is very useful in brainwashing people to abide by those moral values. But, since interprations of religions vary widely, and can be manipulated easily, religion is not always a reliable guide for finding absolute moral values. And religions do vary: Basically, Buddhism believes in karma (not as a punishment but as a learning experience) and repeated reincarnations into the suffering of physical existence; Christians believe in salvation through Jesus, no matter what you do in your life, and so on.

If you turn to science to find absolute laws that are true in any given situation in any universe (or at least our own) across all time, the more you learn about science, the more you realize that the laws that you were told are absolute are actually not. Luckily we do have clever scientists who are able to express the relative nature of natural laws by producing equations that we can use with reliability. Even gravity is not uniform across our planet, but we can be confident that the measure we use as an absolute value will hold true in most places on the planet most of the time, and so we can accept that equation as an absolute value, reliably.

Possibly, there is one moral value that is absolute: self interest. We only co-operate and collaborate and respect and do no harm to others, etc. if it is in our interest to do so. But, a vigorous argument could be made for the opposite: co-operation, collaboration, respect, not doing harm are essential for survival and thus are absolute moral values in any situation for humanity.

If I am being optimistic, and look at the complete history of humanity, we have come a long way in agreeing on shared moral values that we can consider moral absolutes. But, has it all been an experiment to create moral absolutism that serves the self-interests of others? Are we, at present, at a point when we must come to terms with moral relativism and renew a commitment to moral values that we can regard as absolute, getting all countries, cultures, religions etc. to agree on what those moral absolutes are and thus what guides and informs our interactions? Am I making the mistake of inviting a one world government based on moral relativism that a dominant power presents as moral absolutism?
Personally I believe that moral relativism is the reality, and that moral absolutism is used as a tool for domination, control and exploitation.

[petra]

I might as well chime in here and say I think there's a point where I developed a conscience and I remember it. I was about 15. The thing that I was being immoral about was other peoples privacy. I just did not understand the concept of minding my own business and now I do. I was doing what I thought God would do, but I'm not God and now I'm sorry.

I guess my point of view is God is the judge and I trust God knows what He is doing.

Would God be a moral absolutist though? I don't think so, I feel like if I'm going to be judged it'll be based on what's in my heart and only God can see what's in our hearts