The Muslim Problem

[rgray222]

Posted by shaberon (here)
One of the main points of contention in all of these arguments is private property. It's absolutely vital for Capitalism, and is diminished or eliminated in other systems. The Patrician law has it so that you can transmit this to ensure your grandchildren's future, and you have no need to care if this form of hoarding caused hardship to other people.

As I see it, the only and necessary function of government is to protect the masses from this kind of exploitation. But the duty could be performed by an absolute monarch. The only kind of social contract I would want to enter into, is based on this principle, which in itself does not require any particular form of government.

For the sake of brevity, I did not include Shaberon's full post, see the last post on the previous page for more detail.

Ultimately, I believe you are correct that effective governance should focus primarily on protecting people from exploitation, but in reality, governments often operate differently. Regarding the idea of a one-world government, I believe we are rapidly moving in that direction, with immigration playing a significant role in this process.

I don't share your enthusiasm that the United States is a fascist government. I agree it is heavily militarized and influenced by financial and geopolitical interests. I see this more as a necessity driven by strategic concerns rather than pure greed. The post-World War II international order shifted global military power significantly, with the United States emerging as the dominant military force. It wasn't happenstance, but that is how it turned out.

I also agree that independent coalitions of Islamic and communist countries are likely to challenge the current global order. Over time, these coalitions have and will continue to lead to a multipolar world order. That same multipolar world order is rapidly transforming into a bipolar world order dominated by the USA and China. The bipolarization of the world is the last station before the world consolidates into a single, unified global government. I see it is inevitable.

[Matthew]

Bias isn't insane. It can be rational and objective. It doesn't mean a biased person unfairly judges any individual. Go on about the WEF all you want shaberon the problem is the detail of the islamic ideology, and its saving grace is that we see people who don't follow it correctly, or dogmatically lie about for your comfort

[petra]

I once asked a Muslim why they pray so much, like is that really necessary
The answer was a YES so firm that it sent shudders through me
What is it they know that we don't? Isn't the jinni problem more relevant than the Muslim problem?

Personally, I think Muslim people are a Godsend. They're like a "wall of Muslims" helping protect us from evil and one day I think people will realize and respect that

Real Muslims are evolved spiritually, not to be confused with pretend ones that just intend to cause harm.

[Matthew]

Hey petra, islamism isn't asking you what defines islamism. It's been defined already and the best thing that could happen is they deviate from it, like these two examples below:

Two British born Muslims, one woman and one man, talk about Islam and it's compatibility with the west - forwarded from another thread, posted months ago:

Posted by Matthew (here)

Posted by Matthew (here)
British born Muslim woman shares her point of view.

Premiered 7 hours ago by heretics, YouTube.

I sit down with Lubna Fahran, host of Candid with Lubna and former The Apprentice UK contestant under Lord Alan Sugar. Lubna opens up about her shocking experiences: from death threats and being told she should be killed, to her journey navigating faith, freedom, and identity in Britain today.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=3HssQzoq6yU

In sequel of the above here's a British Muslim man, who came to the UK in his mid teens, sharing his point of view; Ben Habib talks about Islam and the UK at the Oxford Union:

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Ben Habib speaks in proposition of the motion that This House Believes Islam is Incompatible with Democracy.

This is the seventh speaker of eight.

Mr Habib served as Co-Deputy Leader of Reform UK from 2023 until July 2024. He was elected the Brexit Party Member of the European Parliament in the 2019 European elections until Britain's withdrawal from the European Union. He is the Chief Executive of First Property Group, a commercial property investment and fund management company.

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ABOUT THE OXFORD UNION SOCIETY: The Oxford Union is the world's most prestigious debating society, with an unparalleled reputation for bringing international guests and speakers to Oxford. Since 1823, the Union has been promoting debate and discussion not just in Oxford University, but across the globe.

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The deceit of islam is well documented on one hand but also in play on the other. What can I say except read more and listen to opinions of converted islamsists. Good luck!

[petra]

I guess I have a degree of bias. I like Muslims

[sdv]

Muslims in the UK give four times as much to charity than other Brits. It is one of the obligations of Islam that you give to charity. What is really interesting is that all those donations used to be sent abroad but are now increasingly and notably being used in the UK to help with homelessness, mental health issues, food security, etc. and are being given to all those in need, not just Muslims.

[Losus4]

Posted by petra (here)
I guess I have a degree of bias. I like Muslims

Most people in this thread criticising Islam and/or multiculturalism have met or know decent Muslims whom they like. The issue is Islam as a collective in the West. Liking Muslims/Islam does not equate to also being OK with them demographically replacing you.

[rgray222]

This is a phenomenal article that clearly shows that the UAE has restricted government funding for Emirati students studying in the UK, citing concerns over Islamist radicalisation within the UK university system. A good deal of this stems from the UK's refusal to ban the Muslim Brotherhood. This move reflects escalating tensions rooted in broader disputes over terrorism. When Muslims recoginize this problem it should force the rest of the world to wake up.

UAE restricts funding for UK studies amid concerns over Muslim Brotherhood

The UAE has restricted government funding for students studying in the UK, citing concerns over radicalisation and tensions linked to the Muslim Brotherhood



The United Arab Emirates (UAE) has limited government funding for its citizens who wish to study at universities in the United Kingdom (UK), signalling growing tensions between the two countries. The move is linked to long-standing differences over the UK’s decision not to ban the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood group, the Financial Times reported.

Abu Dhabi recently excluded British universities from a list of global institutions eligible for state scholarships. The decision affects Emirati students who rely on government funding to study abroad and marks another strain in ties between the two long-time allies.

UK universities missing from approved list

In June last year, the UAE’s higher education ministry published a list of international universities whose degrees would be recognised and whose students would qualify for state scholarships. The reforms aimed to restrict funding to institutions considered among the best globally. The list included universities in the US, Australia, France and Israel. However, UK universities were not included.


The news report quoted sources as saying that this decision reflects the UAE's concerns about what it sees as the risk of Islamist radicalisation on British university campuses.

The UK has been a popular study destination for Emirati students, who benefit from generous state scholarships. However, federal funding for new students heading to the UK had already been reduced even before June, the news report said. Students already enrolled have continued to receive support.

In the year ending September 2025, only 213 Emirati students were granted UK study visas. This was down 27 per cent from the previous year and 55 per cent lower than in 2022.

The UAE has also said it will not recognise degrees from institutions not on its approved list, diminishing the value of UK qualifications for Emiratis.

Radicalisation fears behind the decision

When UK officials asked about the absence of British universities, UAE officials made it clear that the omission was deliberate. The news report quoted a source as saying that they said it was not an “oversight”.

“[The UAE] don’t want their kids to be radicalised on campus,” the source said.

Official UK data shows that in the 2023-24 academic year, 70 students at UK universities were reported for possible referral to the government’s Prevent deradicalisation programme due to signs of “Islamist radicalisation”. This was nearly double the number reported the previous year, out of a total higher education population of almost 3 million students, the news report said.

Dispute over Muslim Brotherhood

The UAE has been taking a tough stance against Islamist movements at home and abroad. Under President Sheikh Mohammed bin Zayed al-Nahyan, Abu Dhabi has repeatedly questioned why the UK has not banned the Muslim Brotherhood.

A UK government review in 2015 found that the group had not been linked to terrorist activity in or against Britain. Prime Minister Keir Starmer’s government said last year that the issue remains under “close review”.

Nigel Farage, leader of the Reform UK party, has promised to ban the Muslim Brotherhood if he becomes prime minister. The UAE government funded Farage’s visit to the country last year, according to a recent Financial Times report.

Wider strains

The scholarship decision follows other disputes, including disagreements over an Abu Dhabi-backed bid to buy The Daily Telegraph, allegations over UAE involvement in Sudan -- which it denies -- and a legal case involving Emirati-owned Manchester City football club.

This comes even as UK universities continue to expand in the UAE, with campuses in Dubai run by institutions such as the University of Manchester and Heriot-Watt University.

https://www.business-standard.com/wo...0900280_1.html

[Matthew]

Posted by sdv (here)
Muslims in the UK give four times as much to charity than other Brits. It is one of the obligations of Islam that you give to charity. What is really interesting is that all those donations used to be sent abroad but are now increasingly and notably being used in the UK to help with homelessness, mental health issues, food security, etc. and are being given to all those in need, not just Muslims.

Awesome isn't it? If you've seen my previous posts I've frequently said the best thing that could happen to islam is that it's watered down by western Christian cultures. Look at what Palestinians actually think of 'Gays for Palestine' it might burst your bubble. The video I posted above by Lubna Fahran is a great example of a westernised Muslim, and she also educates you (or tries to) about the danger of untamed islam. Ignore this at your peril! She's risking her life for your benefit, the least you could do is watch the video. Sadly the watered down islamist get a harsh treatment as and when the islam revolutions happen. Look what happened at Iran in when the islamist revolution happened, and ditto with the Lebanon. History can repeat itself make no mistake. Getting yourself clued up is your responsibility. Westernised Muslims are awesome but that's not islam, it's deviation from islam and I'm so happy when I see a Muslim woman walking on her own down the street.

[rgray222]

Posted by Matthew (here)

Posted by sdv (here)
Muslims in the UK give four times as much to charity than other Brits. It is one of the obligations of Islam that you give to charity. What is really interesting is that all those donations used to be sent abroad but are now increasingly and notably being used in the UK to help with homelessness, mental health issues, food security, etc. and are being given to all those in need, not just Muslims.

Awesome isn't it? If you've seen my previous posts I've frequently said the best thing that could happen to islam is that it's watered down by western Christian cultures. Look at what Palestinians actually think of 'Gays for Palestine' it might burst your bubble. The video I posted above by Lubna Fahran is a great example of a westernised Muslim, and she also educates you (or tries to) about the danger of untamed islam. Ignore this at your peril! She's risking her life for your benefit, the least you could do is watch the video. Sadly the watered down islamist get a harsh treatment as and when the islam revolutions happen. Look what happened at Iran in when the islamist revolution happened, and ditto with the Lebanon. History can repeat itself make no mistake. Getting yourself clued up is your responsibility. Westernised Muslims are awesome but that's not islam, it's deviation from islam and I'm so happy when I see a Muslim woman walking on her own down the street.

Matthew

I agree with your statement but we cannot have the full on Islamic verision nor full on Western insanity. The worldview and beliefs of most people should ideally fall somewhere between tolerance and understanding. What used to be called common sense.

[petra]

I dunno about you guys but I'm itching for the so called Judgement Day and judging by what's going on in this thread we aren't far off

[petra]

Posted by Mike (here)
Everyone can agree that rape is evil. And any culture/religion that has normalized it should be kept at a great distance, and be monitored closely (and not brought in in great numbers to countries with an entirely different value set)

This right here is the root of the problem imho

To quote the movie The General's Daughter, "what's worse than rape?". Spoiler alert the answer is Betrayal

[Matthew]

Posted by rgray222 (here)
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Matthew

I agree with your statement but we cannot have the full on Islamic verision nor full on Western insanity. The worldview and beliefs of most people should ideally fall somewhere between tolerance and understanding. What used to be called common sense.

We can dream, no issues with that. Give me western civilisation over islamic civilisation any day of the week. UAE have evolved recently but as I understand it, it's still not as good as living in the USA when l look at the detail. Easy to take what we have for granted. I'm certainly not saying the USA is Heaven. Hopefully people will watch the videos I posted, take a closer look at Palestinians views of Gays for Palestine, and not avoid looking at the effect of importing islamic sexual values to the UK. Don't blame me, I don't want to think about it either. Middle ground for me is that Muslims abandon some of their islamic dogma when living in Christian countries which mercifully does happen