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    “Eternal vigilance is the price of safety” - my dad. Same might be said about justice.

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    Seems big:

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    Some guy on about Whitney Webb. Seems to be earnest about it. Thoughts?


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    Bureaucratic overreach of the (US) ATF, which oversees firearms, has convicted a man for presenting advertisements on his YouTube channel. Facing 40 years, and the ‘offences’ happened between the time he received approval for this, and the time beginning when the ATF first gave notice that the device he advertised was no longer legal (story/reality is a bit convoluted) to have possession of.

    Imagine the misuse of this, if it becomes precedent in the appeals courts finale.

    I follow notifications for several “guntubers” beyond this chan, and several have spoken about this story. What seems odd is that they are the only ones speaking up about it. IMO, the issue should concern everybody.

    And that goes both ways, like ~“planetuber” Trent Palmer’s battle with the FAA over something that complied with their (still) published advisements. My take: lots more citizen-power could be directed, if folks cared for their ‘next’ impersonally, outside of their own practice and interests.

    Happy justice, everybody, and best wishes. Speaking out, like vid man is doing here, helps — I think.

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    A sad story of triumph: the advocacy of wives of Vietnam POW and MIA American men.

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    “ From 1965 until 1972 the wives of military aviators held captive in Hanoi waged a two-front battle against both the North Vietnamese and United States governments to get information on the status of their husband. The effort grew into a worldwide campaign that still exists today”


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    A Father’s Day message that sounds like it belongs on this thread. From a nearby politician here in Alberta:

    “Twitter is a cesspool on most days, and unfortunately, Father's Day is no exception to that rule. If one scrolls through responses to seemingly innocuous tweets about dads today (don't do it), some of Western culture’s thornier issues are on full display for all to see.

    Those tweets do raise questions, though. For example, what does masculinity mean in a world where gender identity is now a radioactive political issue? Why does the incel movement exist, and how can we counter it? How do we achieve gender equality, equitably? Why do men comprise 75% of the suicides in Canada?

    When confronted with the profoundly powerful emotions issues like these can bring forth, it’s sometimes useful to reflect on personal experiences. So on Father's Day, allow me to share with you some of mine.

    When I think back to the first few dates I had with my husband, his inclination to talk about his three teenage children at every given opportunity was - at first - disquieting. I soon realized that Jeff was verbalizing what being a father now meant to him in light of the past and what he wanted the future to look like - particularly with the prospect of a new spouse on the horizon. Jeff's openness about his children confronted me with a choice. Would I be with him as a partner, as he chose to be a father?

    Years after making an affirmative decision to that question, I understand why this was so important to him.

    Jeff, now 45, was first married at age twenty. His first daughter, and American military deployments followed shortly after that. And so his youth was filled with the responsibility of sorting out who he was as an adult while figuring out how to provide for his family as a serviceman in the middle of a war. His first marriage failed a few years after the birth of his third child. Then in his early thirties, Jeff found himself living in the aftermath a second failed marriage, another looming military assignment, and questions about how he would provide for his children.

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    Jeff felt that his primary responsibility at that juncture was to ensure his children were financially provided for. As he tells it, this meant staying in the army and seeing the children sporadically between deployments and leave weeks. But Jeff also knew sacrificing time with his children had a different cost. So did finding joy, purpose, fun, and meaning as a still-young man. He found himself constantly questioning the order of these priorities as social mores of fatherhood and masculinity changed around him.

    So many men still struggle with finding balance in these challenges today.

    Today, Jeff will admit to both successes and failures as a father during that time. To me, he'll express pride that he could financially provide for the kids, a role traditionally ascribed to male gender roles. But when the topic of the seven years he largely spent away from his kids, in unstable relationships during their formative years comes up, he tends to go quiet, his posture rigid, with his gaze firmly set off in the horizon.

    Jeff is far from the only man to confront choices like this.

    In those moments, my husband usually brings himself back into the present. He will take responsibility for his own decisions. He'll express gratitude for the stability he's been able to build for his family - that now includes a blonde Canadian politician - and talk positively about the future. In that, Jeff's capacity for introspection, openness to change, and acceptance of responsibility paired with action have come to define my sense of modern masculinity and redefine my understanding of what fatherhood means.

    That's not to say that Jeff doesn't experience the privileges and stereotypes of somebody who embodies the traditional archetype of Western masculinity. My husband wouldn't satisfy some people's notion of perfection, and he's not the type who would want to try. But yet, he is very much a deeply emotionally intelligent, complex human being who admits to his mistakes, owns them, gets up and brushes himself off, and does better the next time, every time.

    There's no doubt that there needs to be more work done to bring forth gender equality from systems of power that still rely upon the subservience of women. Every person in our country has a role to play in making - and securing - that change. At the same time, there's no reason why there can't be space, encouragement, and celebration of men who legitimately strive to live with honour in all those multiple worlds of expectation today's society sets out for them.

    And so we have Father's Day.

    So today, I celebrate my husband, my stepchildren's father, and express gratitude for the positive definition of fatherhood and masculinity he is carving out of his love for his family and his respect for himself.

    May our commentary and policy on gender roles include him, and countless others like him, in a place of respect too.

    Happy Father's Day, Jeffrey - the kids and I love you, and respect you, very much.”

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    The Institute for Justice is contesting civil asset forfeiture in the whole US of A. Y’all should hope SCOTUS stands for justice, by and by, because this WILL be appealed. Either way. Too much money at stake.

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    Here’s another way Justice works. A medically sidelined airline pilot takes a stand for common standards of scrutiny, in context of current fails by both pilots and ATC (air traffic control): Laura Savino.

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    Am shamelessly bumping my thread, because I think the idea is worthy and important.

    Good example of how justice works, appended. Thank you!, 6ideon (benign dyslexia ~;D).

    Quote Posted by 9ideon (here)
    Dunno if this has been mentioned before on this Thread, but in simple terms, those newspapers are in violation of the 2018 Data Protection Act and Brand could very well be sewing the crap out of all those media outlets, if he has some intelligent lawyer that is.

    I highlighted the relative points in red. Obviously I left out Political Opinion etc due to the fact this has not been directly addressed and therefore holds no legal value.

    Quote The Data Protection Act 2018 is the UK’s implementation of the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR)

    Everyone responsible for using personal data has to follow strict rules called ‘data protection principles’. They must make sure the information is:

    * used fairly, lawfully and transparently
    * used for specified, explicit purposes
    * used in a way that is adequate, relevant and limited to only what is necessary
    * accurate and, where necessary, kept up to date
    * kept for no longer than is necessary
    * handled in a way that ensures appropriate security, including protection against unlawful or unauthorised processing, access, loss, destruction or damage

    There is stronger legal protection for more sensitive information, such as:

    * race
    * ethnic background
    * political opinions
    * religious beliefs
    * trade union membership
    * genetics
    * biometrics (where used for identification)
    * health
    * sex life or orientation

    There are separate safeguards for personal data relating to criminal convictions and offences.

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    Quote Your rights

    Under the Data Protection Act 2018, you have the right to find out what information the government and other organisations store about you. These include the right to:

    * be informed about how your data is being used
    * access personal data
    * have incorrect data updated
    * have data erased
    * stop or restrict the processing of your data
    * data portability (allowing you to get and reuse your data for different services)
    * object to how your data is processed in certain circumstances

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    What these fake news outlets should have done is take it to the Police instead of smearing it all over their newspapers (Tabloids). I mean one can't even report on the injury of a Football player anymore due to privacy laws.

    Anyone who wants to make a complaint on behalf of Brand can do this here, it be epic would they get 100's of complaints.


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    For the record. Chan Long Island Audit guy is going off. Boom. …Hazards of the job that he chose: justice warrior/advocate.

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    Justice. I think everybody has a sense of it, except maybe people who are off their rocker. That off could be due to drug effects, plain old mental problems, cold sober psychopathy, dark-spirit influence. Not saying a sense of justice means that one is just, but that we know when we or others are doing wrong.

    In keeping with the thread title’ intention, the “how”, imma suggest that justice owes a lot to people who speak up. Outer justice, about acts and words in da world. Not inner justice, fighting with one’s own “demons”.

    On Earth we have myriad hierarchies, from schoolyards to office politics, criminal gangs from bottom to top, big money Business dealing and competing in everything including religions (climate change hysteria, trans normalcy, besides the historic religions still going at it). And Big Govs, which fund and direct their various agencies and standing forces, are the biggest gangs of them all.

    I say, let’s talk about it. Let’s break it down.

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    David Schoen exposes the unethical tactics of prosecutor Andrew Weissmann, including allegations of hiding exculpatory evidence (Brady material), suborning perjury, and ignoring witness statements that cleared Sessa. They also discuss the dark relationship between corrupt FBI agent Lin DeVecchio and mob hitman Greg Scarpa, and how the FBI instigated the Colombo War.

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    Retired cop speaks against corruption in the higher echelons of copdom.

    He sounds confident that justice will be done, me I doubt that. Too many bigger fish to fry. And we wonder why shining nice aliens don’t land and say hi.

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    For the record, concerning justice for the hill folk of western North Carolina, in the aftermath of Hurricane Helene.

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    In today’s society, many people believe that justice and equity are the same thing. However, justice does not necessarily lead to equity, nor is it intended to do so. On this earthly plane, justice means that everyone follows the same rules and has access to the same processes. When courts start applying equity, it can become judicial overreach. Who is to stop a judge from using their own sense of fairness to interpret established law? The real issue is not equity itself, but the potential for judges to expand their power beyond constitutional limits, especially in the United States.

    Regarding sovereignty, currently, our legal and political systems are based on misunderstood principles, and true sovereignty and property rights are often misinterpreted in today’s society.

    We need to offer the Minneapolis protesters more money to have them come and violently protest the landlord's inequitable distribution of information and McDonald's monopoly on chicken fingers in Texas. Silent interpretation is exactly what the mainstream media has been doing for years; it is simply called lying by omission.

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    Quote Posted by rgray222 (here)
    In today’s society, many people believe that justice and equity are the same thing. However, justice does not necessarily lead to equity, nor is it intended to do so. On this earthly plane, justice means that everyone follows the same rules and has access to the same processes. When courts start applying equity, it can become judicial overreach. Who is to stop a judge from using their own sense of fairness to interpret established law? The real issue is not equity itself, but the potential for judges to expand their power beyond constitutional limits, especially in the United States.

    Regarding sovereignty, currently, our legal and political systems are based on misunderstood principles, and true sovereignty and property rights are often misinterpreted in today’s society.

    We need to offer the Minneapolis protesters more money to have them come and violently protest the landlord's inequitable distribution of information and McDonald's monopoly on chicken fingers in Texas. Silent interpretation is exactly what the mainstream media has been doing for years; it is simply called lying by omission.
    R, is this a trick post? It reads like a provocation intended to find out if I have you on my Ignore list. Fear not, or hope not, I don’t. Pseudointellectual pontificating, basturizations, an inane conclusion? I wouldn’t intentionally miss that!

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    Quote Equality, equity, and justice are distinct, interrelated concepts for achieving fairness.
    Equality means treating everyone the same with identical resources.
    Equity involves providing customized support based on individual needs.
    Justice represents the ultimate goal: removing systemic barriers so everyone has equal access to opportunities.

    Key Distinctions:
    Equality (Sameness): Focuses on providing the same tools or resources to everyone, assuming everyone starts from the same place.
    Equity (Fairness): Recognizes that people have different circumstances and allocates the exact resources and opportunities needed to reach an equal outcome.
    Justice (Systemic Change): Fixes the system to remove the root causes of inequity, ensuring barriers to access are dismantled permanently.

    Examples in Context:
    Education: Equality is giving every student the same textbook; equity is providing additional resources to students who are struggling.
    Society: Equality is giving everyone a vote; equity is ensuring polling locations are accessible to disabled voters.
    Systemic View: While equality might offer everyone a ladder, justice removes the wall blocking the view entirely.
    Equality is a myth in the USA. Money and connections do very much determine what tools, access and resources are available to you.
    Equality of input does not result in equality in output. Fate, individual circumstances, etc. are all variables that have an influence on output.
    Equity is perhaps a more noble goal. A disabled person will need special aids in order to live independently; a person living in the countryside has more need of reliable affordable transport to access goods and services than someone in the city, so government-subsidized is needed in areas where it is lacking.
    Equity as a goal can become a hinderance as people claim disadvatage in order to get special treatment, and we see this happening in the USA.
    Justice in the above context has failed in many societies, but those same societies have long track records of pursuing this noble goal. Outside of countries like the USA, many countries offer free medical care and basic education to those who cannot afford to pay, and in China, medical care is not a profit-driven industry so it is very affordable even for those who are paying. Food stamps, food banks, or universal basic income? Free or subsidized or rent control housing? Even capitalist societies experiment with ways of achieving social justice.

    Americans have been brainwashed with myths: freedom, equality, democracy, capitalism ... How do you define these terms, and who benefits and how can these goals be corrupted? But, do not let one failed goal be replaced with another. Communism is not the evil that Americans have been brainwashed into believing. It has noble goals, but it also has weaknesses that can prove fatal to a society. Capitalism and democracy score no better than communism in terms of having terminal weaknesses.

    Those who believe in karma have found a way to abandon the pursuit of equality, equity and justice as policy (accept your own suffering and be kind and generous towards others), even though Buddhists do have to adhere to a nation's policies and rules? Is that the fundamental reason why China annexed Tibet?

    Personally, I think a sense of justice is inherit in us. You know when you are being treated unfairly, and it feels wrong. But, even that inbuilt sense of justice does not have the same values in every person. Epstein was genuinely affronted and felt a deep sense of injustice that he was being questioned about anything and that he may be found guilty of offences under the law.

    Edited to add:
    So justice are the values and rules that a society decides apply equally to everyone, and ot is thus that society who defines justice, for itself and not others? And since at best equality and equity are goals rather than lived reality, justice is dependent on the interaction of all three?
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    Default Re: Justice (🎶 How does it work?).

    Quote Posted by shaberon (here)
    Do you mean Justice, or the court system?

    Plenty of innocent people in the penitentiary.

    I would say Justice works automatically, is the principle of absolute Equilibrium.

    I suppose it is unclear to most people how this unfolds from a psychological plane to the physical, but it does, just not necessarily in a time scale convenient for mortals.



    Thus, if you die in an unjust condition, you go to Hell. I would suggest that is much more real than legal proceedings.

    At issue then is really the field of Law, which most do not understand. Here, I would call attention to Trespass, as used in the Lord's Prayer. Does anyone know what this is, or has it become empty words?
    Yes, I think you are spot on. True justice is an inherent principle that operates beyond human laws and has real consequences beyond legal punishment. The idea of absolute equilibrium is necessary for a universal moral balance. All of our actions and behaviors are ultimately corrected and balanced out, and frequently, it is not immediately apparent, especially when you view our lives over multiple incarnations. The meaning of trespass used in the Lord's Prayer should be an example of justice for man's soul, not justice for crossing a human boundary. It is easy to comprehend but very hard to believe without earthly evidence. If we live our lives believing that we are spiritual, immortal beings who have been allowed to grow and learn through our short temproary human existence, then all becomes clear.

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    In today’s society, many people believe that justice and equity are the same thing. However, justice does not necessarily lead to equity, nor is it intended to do so. On this earthly plane, justice means that everyone follows the same rules and has access to the same processes. When courts start applying equity, it can become judicial overreach. Who is to stop a judge from using their own sense of fairness to interpret established law? The real issue is not equity itself, but the potential for judges to expand their power beyond constitutional limits, especially in the United States.

    Regarding sovereignty, currently, our legal and political systems are based on misunderstood principles, and true sovereignty and property rights are often misinterpreted in today’s society.

    We need to offer the Minneapolis protesters more money to have them come and violently protest the landlord's inequitable distribution of information and McDonald's monopoly on chicken fingers in Texas. Silent interpretation is exactly what the mainstream media has been doing for years; it is simply called lying by omission.
    R, is this a trick post? It reads like a provocation intended to find out if I have you on my Ignore list. Fear not, or hope not, I don’t.
    No, if you wish to ignore me be my guest. If you need clarification on my post because you don't understand, just ask.

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    Pseudointellectual pontificating, basturizations, an inane conclusion? I wouldn’t intentionally miss that!
    Not silent, I am, about your BS spam! … How do you like me now?
    No reason to have a short fuse and get testy.
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