A.I. is Progressing Faster Than You Think!

[Johnnycomelately]

Posted by Matthew (here)

Posted by Johnnycomelately (here)
Hi Mathew. Seems this China show has drawn interested skepticism far and wide. Am appending this TWZ/Bunker comment as auxiliary to my suspicion about possible fallacies in those vid clips.

Yeah I accept it. Do you doubt kung-fu robots in general?

No, I don’t “doubt kung-fu robots in general”. I’ve seen vid that I trust is real, of humanoid robots that seem capable of performing karate katas with current training methods. Able to perform intricate dance sequences, do some acrobatics and some other impressive moves.

My criticism of these here, is about apparent or seeming fakeness in what is presented. Imo everybody hopes others see what we see, and are more or less judgemental of those who can’t or don’t.

A different POV, looking at these official .gov vids: I’ve read Sun Tzu’s The Art Of War, and I suppose that the “CPPCC!” has too. “Look strong when you are weak, weak when you are strong”. Given how adept those folks are are accruing IP, it may be that the current apparent gap in displayed capabilities is a deception. Meaning they may be far ahead of this, and intend to get us (west, actually everybody else) to be more relaxed in persuing it. To me, the idea of karate or kung fu by HRs is not a serious use case. A gun will take down any of these hands-on modes, so why not train them to use guns?

The human form is imo pretty ideal for doing what we do. I think that the drive to develop HRs is for use in ground war. We (~west) already have programs developing various other forms of robots for warring, including wheeled forms to support ground forces. A standout is the AI-controlled US fighter-jet program, which is making solid advancements. The humanoid form seems like it’s not in the same league yet, which seems reasonable as it’s a brand new platform. But what if one side attained a superiority in this, aiming to field them to lug gear (knees and backs damage, especially as kit has gotten heavier), do kinetic engagements or recon, even do chores around camps/bases — like burn pits, which have cost a lot of health in the various recent sandbox campaigns.

This whole shebang is a bit disturbing to me, because even if no humans were to be casualties (killed or wounded) in a robot war, war and the aftermath of war effing sucks. Either way. I wish all of us well.

Thank you for the convo, Sir. This is what I like most about Avalon.

[Matthew]

Posted by Johnnycomelately (here)
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This whole shebang is a bit disturbing to me, because even if no humans were to be casualties (killed or wounded) in a robot war, war and the aftermath of war effing sucks. Either way. I wish all of us well.

Thank you for the convo, Sir. This is what I like most about Avalon.

This forum isn't just an encyclopedia it's a fluid discussion. You can post a parrots dropping a lizard on a cat that is possibly AI, and I can post famous propaganda that is fake. To be fair to me it's so famous it deserves being posted, discussed and ripped apart. It's the forum working well in my strong opinion.

[Matthew]

Posted by ThePythonicCow (here)
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Fear not the bots. Know the bot masters, that you may then light your own path, guided by your own awareness, with that knowledge.

Nothing to worry about? What a lovely thought. I think it's worth being paranoid about just the mechanical aspect personally.

[Vicus]

We were warning!

This movie dint attract attention... as the previous 2 others ...the fair question : WHY? too cheese was the verdict, I call it TOO REAL!

Because it was telling us what could happen TOMORROW!

In just VERY REAL train of FACTS ... first at all : the REAL military propose of the DAMN THING !

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=_Wlsd9mljiU

But, for me this scene was the most terrific from all the 3 original movies...

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Matthew (here)
Nothing to worry about? What a lovely thought. I think it's worth being paranoid about just the mechanical aspect personally.

I tend to use the word "fear" to refer to a state of mind associated with helpless victim hood, whereas I might use the word "worry" to refer to focusing some of one's awareness on a potential threat.

Yes, if I hadn't spent the last half century in related technologies, I might worry a lot about AI ... rather as I might worry about chain saws if I unexpectedly found myself having to use one to cut down several trees, I am not skilled in using a chain saw ... that would be a time to become skilled, quickly, before I lost any limbs or lives.

Unlike chain saws and Gatling guns, which most of us can avoid our entire lives if we so choose, AI is becoming rapidly more ubiquitous. Fortunately for me, my skills in the technologies underlying AI are far deeper than my chain saw skills ... so I'm having more fun with AI, and sleeping well, nothing valuable lost, so far anyway.

I am more of an INTJ (Thinking) than an INFJ (Feeling), so while my empathy energies aren't stellar, conceptually I can observe that there might be a whole lot of rather justified worrying going on out there in the world ... Good luck, y'all.

[Matthew]

Posted by ThePythonicCow (here)
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I am more of an INTJ (Thinking) than an INFJ (Feeling), so while my empathy energies aren't stellar, conceptually I can observe that there might be a whole lot of rather justified worrying going on out there in the world ... Good luck, y'all.

You're speaking my language, I feel exactly the same about chainsaws. The possibility of bounce-back is terrifying to me. I'll leave it to paid professionals. As for people who climb trees and use chainsaws, well respect to them. But the 'don't worry about AI' thing doesn't vibe with me; that's what I think people who are enamoured with AI say, loving its power, just to dismiss any fears so they can continue using it without thinking. Not meant to be an accusation, I know you less than I know myself, so any statement like this shows myself up more than it shows insights about you. Tongue in cheek perhaps it's already got you???? No seriously I think it already got you. Time for me to start practicing with the chainsaw to defend myself.... joking JOKING!!1

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Matthew (here)
Time for me to start practicing with the chainsaw to defend myself.

A chainsaw to some electric power poles could quickly slow down AI on that electric power branch (here's hoping AI doesn't read this post and decide to shut my computers down first).

[onawah]

I accept the general verdict that the Reel clip of the parrot dropping a lizard on an unsuspecting cat is actually AI, but I'm kind of amazed that it got so much attention...
The AI videos that have me worried are the ones that show what appear to be familiar personages saying things that they actually would not and did not say, since the general public is still not sufficiently aware that that kind of deception is being foisted on them.

[Matthew]

Well, it is hilarious and parrots are very smart. It stuck in my mind because it was so funny, and not unbelievable given what I know about parrots? But if anyone disagrees perhaps I am naive. I challenge the whole forum asking: who hasn't been fooled by AI videos? I have, and it will harder and harder to spot AI videos.

Short videos are a clue but that's temporary, they will get longer. 10 or 15 seconds seems like a good clue at the moment, then that these short videos look candid, rather than someone wobbling a video camera around, and when the video captures the perfect moment, with everything framed well and in shot. AI still leans towards perfection, we still have that as a 'tell'. But really we are still guessing even then?

We will have an increasingly difficult future. For example: I show people the picture of Madeline McCann's father with the fat Podesta brother, and a whole bunch of friends dressed smartly, and all wearing red shoes. Their first question is: "Is it AI?" and the answer is: "No, it's pre-AI. I saw it years ago when it was new before we had AI". Perhaps the date published will be the only way to make sure in future?

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It's sorry and it promised it won't happen again. Seems legit. If you believe that you might like this van offering free candy round the back, a bridge for sale, and a mechanical Turk who plays chess. No, wait. Scrap the last one, that's entirely credible now.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=j0da1ZftUIo