The Zeitgeist Movement and the Venus Project

[Etherios]

Posted by trenairio (here)
It seems that the Venus Project does not incorporate vital free energy devices.

Well they try not to be named radical or crazy or alternative media etc etc...

He has said many times that his proposals are based on working atm technologies not what we might discover in the future. If there are 10 people that say TVP is bad ... imagine how many they will become when he dares to talk about "free energy" ... i am not talking about this forum ofc its a global thing. Free energy is for crazy people in the mass media.

[Etherios]

Posted by panopticon (here)

Posted by mcaballero (here)
Research all the references of the Zeitgeist movies and you will find interesting surprises.

G'day Mcaballero,

Please point me in the direction of what it is you are trying to point out.
I am happy to view any information.
I do not want to wade through yet another vague reference to a document only to not be able to respond as a thread has moved on or become stagnant.
I have downloaded the (220 page) reference guide to Peter Joseph's work (Zeitgeist) from his groups film website.
As I have stated I do not think any body is trying to rip anybody off in connection to Fresco's work.
I personally do not think that relying on technology for the redesign of an earth bound society is a viable option. Others do. I agree that in an off-world case scenario then it is of use.
Again I ask if there is a transitional plan for The Venus Project other than the introduction of a trial site with theme park (link goes to FAQ and the section I am referring to is FAQ #12)?

Kind Regards,
Panopticon

Exactly why i think TVP is ONLY an idea that will never happen. It need a fresh start ... or a reboot that can only happen if we either isolate many thousand of kids to those cities or a global population wipe out. WHY? They made the asumption that if a human is raised on a good environment then he will become good. SOOO we need good environments to raise up kids ... and because when we mature there is noway to remove our way of thinking then its pointless to even try this. The hole system is based on trust and the Utopian (for now days) conception of doing something for the general good and not for self interest.

Thus TVP will never be realized ... at least without a terrible event.

With love Themistoklis.

[araucaria]

Posted by Luke (here)
I will strongly advise to carefully think before you post something like "it's ok to be idealist"

Lenin was an idealist


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Wow ! (not disagreeing)
Lenin was a materia-list, an enemy of idea-lism.
Some say he was a Rothschild agent, i.e. a material-ist, an enemy of ideal-ism.

Lenin was a dialectical materialist. Dialectics is a process whereby you take two contraries, Thesis and Antithesis, and resolve them into a Synthesis. For example, taking materialism and idealism, this suggests a third non-conflicting term: materialist idealism or maybe idealist materialism. Same difference. Here’s how it works.

Take three materialists in a room together. One is touching what seems to be a leg, another what seems to be a tail, the third what seems to be a bit of both (a trunk). They argue because they are not talking about the same experience and get bogged down in the details. Take three idealists. They are not too interested in the details but quarrel over whether there are several alien species or one hybrid monster in the room.

Then one materialist has an idea – or maybe it’s an idealist checking the raw data. He says we have three identical DNA samples: it’s just an elephant!

The moral of the tale (or the tail of the moral) is that idealism and materialism on their own are both divisive. When you synthesize the two, you have no enemies.

PS. How did the elephant get into the room? Easy: like a pear in a brandy bottle, it grew there!
How do you get it out? Answer, you don’t, you just walk out of the room; like the pear you leave in the brandy bottle when you serve the (pear-flavoured) brandy. The pear is recycled as… glass. Alimentary my dear Watson!

[Bender]

Posted by Etherios (here)

Exactly why i think TVP is ONLY an idea that will never happen. It need a fresh start ... or a reboot that can only happen if we either isolate many thousand of kids to those cities or a global population wipe out. WHY? They made the asumption that if a human is raised on a good environment then he will become good. SOOO we need good environments to raise up kids ... and because when we mature there is noway to remove our way of thinking then its pointless to even try this. The hole system is based on trust and the Utopian (for now days) conception of doing something for the general good and not for self interest.

Thus TVP will never be realized ... at least without a terrible event.

With love Themistoklis.

Oh really? That's not very optimistic of you. If there is no way we can change, then we are all screwed.
How did you make it to this forum? I mean, it is not part of the state of mind the media is selling. If you could figure out that TVP might be a good way of doing things, not just a utopian dream, then everyone else can too.
I think you are underestimating people.

The idea that people are criminals because of their environment does not describe how the change will come, but how it could work in the end.
The most common argument against TVP is that we need a state and laws because of for example criminals. That it's because of that it is there in the first place, to help us. The answer to that is that they are just a product of their environment. So if we changed that, there will be no criminals and no need for laws.
This idea does not describe a physical law of environment=behavior that can never change. If it it was like that, then you would be right.

[TimelessDimensions]

There are many cultural tribes of people who do not have any history of murder

e.g. The Amish, Hopi Indians, Kogi Indians, etc..

So environment (zeitgeist) plays a large role in preventing fear and desperate behaviours

[arctourist]

i think they're right about plenty,by gosh
but what's the association with venus about,right? anyways,it might be worth looking into a little deeper before we dismiss it as not practical or too idealistic...

[Etherios]

Posted by Bender (here)

Posted by Etherios (here)

Exactly why i think TVP is ONLY an idea that will never happen. It need a fresh start ... or a reboot that can only happen if we either isolate many thousand of kids to those cities or a global population wipe out. WHY? They made the asumption that if a human is raised on a good environment then he will become good. SOOO we need good environments to raise up kids ... and because when we mature there is noway to remove our way of thinking then its pointless to even try this. The hole system is based on trust and the Utopian (for now days) conception of doing something for the general good and not for self interest.

Thus TVP will never be realized ... at least without a terrible event.

With love Themistoklis.

Oh really? That's not very optimistic of you. If there is no way we can change, then we are all screwed.
How did you make it to this forum? I mean, it is not part of the state of mind the media is selling. If you could figure out that TVP might be a good way of doing things, not just a utopian dream, then everyone else can too.
I think you are underestimating people.

The idea that people are criminals because of their environment does not describe how the change will come, but how it could work in the end.
The most common argument against TVP is that we need a state and laws because of for example criminals. That it's because of that it is there in the first place, to help us. The answer to that is that they are just a product of their environment. So if we changed that, there will be no criminals and no need for laws.
This idea does not describe a physical law of environment=behavior that can never change. If it it was like that, then you would be right.

SO you really think that now as we are we can change and stop thinking about cost and start thinking about life? I am not talking about Bill Ryan ... i am talking about your friends and my friends that think Zeitgeist is a fairy tail and propaganda. You really think their is a way to make them see and totally change their way of thinking? I am not that sure ... sorry.

As you say TVP is IDEAS of how life should had been or how we can do it in the future ... the way to start tho i dont know and i dont think it will be easy. So yes i dont believe enough mature (15+ years ) humans can escape this way of thinking. So TVP cannot become reality.

Now if we get an enlightenment boost or the transition to 5th density and that forcefully wake up people then maybe then ...

[Bender]

Posted by Etherios (here)
SO you really think that now as we are we can change and stop thinking about cost and start thinking about life? I am not talking about Bill Ryan ... i am talking about your friends and my friends that think Zeitgeist is a fairy tail and propaganda. You really think their is a way to make them see and totally change their way of thinking? I am not that sure ... sorry.

As you say TVP is IDEAS of how life should had been or how we can do it in the future ... the way to start tho i dont know and i dont think it will be easy. So yes i dont believe enough mature (15+ years ) humans can escape this way of thinking. So TVP cannot become reality.

Now if we get an enlightenment boost or the transition to 5th density and that forcefully wake up people then maybe then ...

SO you've already given up? You only think that only this 2012 ascension will save us all?

Well I know of some guys who would want you to think that. And those guys aren't in favor of humanity. Not humanity as in 7 billion people that want to be happy anyway.

I hope that you see what you are doing. You're taking your responsibility away and blaming those with lesser intellect.
It is like seeing a room full of children that are drawing on the walls. You just sigh and shake you're head. But you wouldn't laugh if the pens were actually guns.

But I admit that there is truth in what you're saying. Most people are very narrow-minded. Most people would laugh at the idea of TVP. But that's only because they don't know anything else. They believe what they see and what they are told, fairly enough. And that is strictly controlled.
But if they would be shown that there is another way, I believe that most wouldn't discard it.

The people in North Korea believe that their country is the best in the world. Take them on a trip to South Korea and they would most certainly rethink.

There are no bad people, only bad ideas?

[charcia1]

For me Zeitgeist is good, but for me the big challenge will be to OPEN OUR MINDS because if we think we cant change, then this is not an open mind to new possibility. Ive talked about this to my friends and they like to believe whatever they mind gives to them people they just dont want to open their minds, and most people on earth are like that, a close mind is a weakness to the people.

[charcia1]

Oh yeah and if people say that other people wont open they mind for this project, than its not a reason to NOT try, its a perfect reason to try.

[TimelessDimensions]

I just made my own short documentary with thoughts about how we can start implementing TZM today!

See my profile for the video, it's called "Zeitgeist: Let's Start Today"

[cjhepburn]

I have followed the Venus project for a couple of years now and I'm guessing it's a direction we can expect in the future but like you said it's the transition that is the drawback. It's pretty obvious that we're not going to walk into a vacation resort with beautiful accommodations, jobs and all the food we can eat, and folks are hesitant to give up those creature comforts.

The Arcosanti Project is similar and it hasn't been terribly successful, from what I can see. I watched a few YouTube videos and I wouldn't live there. It's just a big cement commune and everyone looks like they need a shower. No scientists, doctors, builder etc. They are just existing and not really building for a better future.

These projects could go hand in hand with Alex Colliers "Holographic Social Structure." I'd like to be around to see that happen and participate.

Cherie

[loveandgratitude]

From Hitler to Venus: The Venus Project, the UN, and the NWO
The Venus Project: Keeping Revolutionaries Plugged into The Machine Since 1995.
Welcome to the Technocracy.

http://planet-mantis.blogspot.com/

September 11th, The Oklahoma City bombing, the Reichstag fires, etc....

The global ruling elite use the same tactics over and over again, throughout history. One of the tactics they use is false flag operations. Another tactic they use is spreading propaganda through films (and other media).

Hitler rose to power partly by using brilliant films. The films were so well-made and so persuasive that they are still studied by college students as examples of how to make a persuasive film. They all talked about creating a wonderful new world, a free and equal society with abundance for all and no more corruption. Remember that Hitler was a socialist. The woman who directed his films was named Leni Riefenstahl. She was also an actress and a dancer. Even though she worked for Hitler, she is still admired for her amazing talent as a persuasive film-maker.

Many of Peter Joseph Merola's sources used in the first Zeitgeist film are from The Theosophical Society. His sources include women like Madame Blavatsky, the infamous inspiration to Hitler. (Apparently, he gets his inspiration from the same person Hitler did.) They also include Alice Bailey, who founded Lucifer Publishing in 1922, originally for the purpose of publishing books written by her and Blavatsky. The name was later changed to Lucis Trust. Lucis Trust and The Theosophical Society are interconnected and have always worked closely with the UN. Lucis Trust is a member of the United Nations Economic and Social Council.

Please keep in mind that the ruling elite, ultimately, don't want money. As The Venus Project itself aptly points out, money is not a resource. What they ultimately want is total control over all the Earth's resources in the form of a "global resource management system" in which a small group of technocrats will have control over all the planet's resources. In the latest film, "Zeitgeist: Moving Forward," Peter Merola tells us exactly what they want, which is "total Earth resource management and processes" in a "global economic management machine." In this machine, private property will be done away with and everything, even the natural resources in your own backyard, will belong to the system. Again, this is completely in line with Agenda 21. Merola muses about this while showing celestial pictures of the globe spinning round and round, sometimes with an interconnected web laid over it. The message of globalization is loud and clear.



To read more from this insightful articles and videos from PLANET MANTIS...............Go to this link

http://planet-mantis.blogspot.com/

[Etherios]

Posted by loveandgratitude (here)
From Hitler to Venus: The Venus Project, the UN, and the NWO
The Venus Project: Keeping Revolutionaries Plugged into The Machine Since 1995.
Welcome to the Technocracy.

http://planet-mantis.blogspot.com/

September 11th, The Oklahoma City bombing, the Reichstag fires, etc....

The global ruling elite use the same tactics over and over again, throughout history. One of the tactics they use is false flag operations. Another tactic they use is spreading propaganda through films (and other media).

Hitler rose to power partly by using brilliant films. The films were so well-made and so persuasive that they are still studied by college students as examples of how to make a persuasive film. They all talked about creating a wonderful new world, a free and equal society with abundance for all and no more corruption. Remember that Hitler was a socialist. The woman who directed his films was named Leni Riefenstahl. She was also an actress and a dancer. Even though she worked for Hitler, she is still admired for her amazing talent as a persuasive film-maker.

Many of Peter Joseph Merola's sources used in the first Zeitgeist film are from The Theosophical Society. His sources include women like Madame Blavatsky, the infamous inspiration to Hitler. (Apparently, he gets his inspiration from the same person Hitler did.) They also include Alice Bailey, who founded Lucifer Publishing in 1922, originally for the purpose of publishing books written by her and Blavatsky. The name was later changed to Lucis Trust. Lucis Trust and The Theosophical Society are interconnected and have always worked closely with the UN. Lucis Trust is a member of the United Nations Economic and Social Council.

Please keep in mind that the ruling elite, ultimately, don't want money. As The Venus Project itself aptly points out, money is not a resource. What they ultimately want is total control over all the Earth's resources in the form of a "global resource management system" in which a small group of technocrats will have control over all the planet's resources. In the latest film, "Zeitgeist: Moving Forward," Peter Merola tells us exactly what they want, which is "total Earth resource management and processes" in a "global economic management machine." In this machine, private property will be done away with and everything, even the natural resources in your own backyard, will belong to the system. Again, this is completely in line with Agenda 21. Merola muses about this while showing celestial pictures of the globe spinning round and round, sometimes with an interconnected web laid over it. The message of globalization is loud and clear.



To read more from this insightful articles and videos from PLANET MANTIS...............Go to this link

http://planet-mantis.blogspot.com/

Hmm ... So Love, you agree to a text that doesnt talk about what The Venus project is or says but it talks about where and how Peter Joseph got the ideas to create TVP.

Hmm ... Hitler got inspired by Homer and Plato, should we talk about that also or thats different?

The problem isnt what the Elites want is how they want to achieve that. We all want and need ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT but for the good of humanity and the planet not for the good of the Elites. SO NWO/Global Gov is bad because the elites wants it? NO i disagree with you 100%.

Talk to me about the project and its spirit and not about what it is similar with... then we can talk more.

In the latest film, "Zeitgeist: Moving Forward," Peter Merola tells us exactly what they want, which is "total Earth resource management and processes" in a "global economic management machine."


YES i agree with him cause if you read the rest of what he says its totally different from what the elites say. The problem now days isnt the GLOBAL econimics ... the problem is that we DONT HAVE economies what we have is a debt system. IF we had true free ecomonies we would had never gotten to this situation.

SO PLZ for the love of all start talkign about the project and their ideas and NOT what you think or others think Peter Joseph got his ideas from or if anyone that works or has anykind of contact with TVP is working or had worked for something that connects to the ELITES.

If this keeps happening we should just delete the hole thread their is no point if ppl dont start talking about the idea that is zeitgeist and The Venus Project.

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)
I believe most if not all of you have heard about this movement, and about the proposed solutions to the corrupt system we live in today.

What I am interested in is, your thoughts, and your opinions (pro and contra) about the movement and the project and why.

I don't know how many of you are familiar with this, but almost 90% of the material in the Zeitgeist Movies has been "borrowed" from the research material of Jordan Maxwell by the creator of the movies, Peter Joseph. I don't think it matters much, as long as the information is out in the public domain for people to be able to reach it.

What do you think of the movement, and the project itself? Have you heard of similar projects (they can be discussed here too)? How do we get to a system like the Venus Project? How do we make the transition? Any thoughts that would fill the holes in the ideas behind the movement and the project (yes, I'm not gonna pretend they aren't any) are very much welcome.

http://thezeitgeistmovement.com/

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

http://www.futurebydesignthemovie.com/

http://www.thevenusproject.com


PS: I thought this is the most obvious place to post the thread. If it isn't, please move it to wherever you think it should be placed.

The OP doesnt ask about the love life of Peter Joseph right?

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by Etherios (here)
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The problem isnt what the Elites want is how they want to achieve that. We all want and need ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT but for the good of humanity and the planet not for the good of the Elites. SO NWO/Global Gov is bad because the elites wants it? NO i disagree with you 100%.

Talk to me about the project and its spirit and not about what it is similar with... then we can talk more.

In the latest film, "Zeitgeist: Moving Forward," Peter Merola tells us exactly what they want, which is "total Earth resource management and processes" in a "global economic management machine."


YES i agree with him cause if you read the rest of what he says its totally different from what the elites say. The problem now days isnt the GLOBAL econimics ... the problem is that we DONT HAVE economies what we have is a debt system. IF we had true free ecomonies we would had never gotten to this situation....

I think this is a huge point that many fail to see.

Socialism is not bad, it is the concept of sharing. Totalitarian ideology and elite rulers on top of socialism is bad.

A unified, democratically agreed upon, global set of rules for all of humanity, uniting all of humanity (or to put it another way, to remove the illusion of not being united) would be very good. Global rulers skimming off the top and/or imposing their will is bad.

I would love to see all of humanity brought together in the spirit of The Venus Project. We would need to be ever diligent in all phases, from planning to execution, to keep a ruling ideology from commandeering the project.

Dennis

[Gone002]

The zeitgeist movement in my mind is just swapping one control paradigm for another, while showing theory’s as evidence and as establish fact. While some of the information is copied from Russell Pine about religions, which is very much incorrect and very miss leading.

The movement its self seems to have a darker under current, not to mention that what they want to achieve is complete unattainable regardless of how much time, money and knowledge you have. That is not saying that I don’t think it is a valid and has some merit.

Bottom line to all of this is that no-one on earth has the right to say what you can and can’t do spiritually. Regardless if you feel what they are doing is dark or even silly, if it makes them a better person and if it doesn’t affect your daily live then its fine. The key is education and not the education we have today which is rubbish by all standards.

[Etherios]

Posted by celt (here)
The zeitgeist movement in my mind is just swapping one control paradigm for another, while showing theory’s as evidence and as establish fact. While some of the information is copied from Russell Pine about religions, which is very much incorrect and very miss leading.

The movement its self seems to have a darker under current, not to mention that what they want to achieve is complete unattainable regardless of how much time, money and knowledge you have. That is not saying that I don’t think it is a valid and has some merit.

Bottom line to all of this is that no-one on earth has the right to say what you can and can’t do spiritually. Regardless if you feel what they are doing is dark or even silly, if it makes them a better person and if it doesn’t affect your daily live then its fine. The key is education and not the education we have today which is rubbish by all standards.

Care to explain? cause the above text doesnt say anything specific. Maybe its my poor english but all i got is vague ideas ...

For example "The zeitgeist movement in my mind is just swapping one control paradigm for another" < what you mean here?

For example "The movement its self seems to have a darker under current, not to mention that what they want to achieve is complete unattainable regardless of how much time, money and knowledge you have. That is not saying that I don’t think it is a valid and has some merit."

For example "Bottom line to all of this is that no-one on earth has the right to say what you can and can’t do spiritually."

For example "The key is education and not the education we have today which is rubbish by all standards. "

If i remove the word Zeitgeist then noone will understand this reply is about the topic we talk about

[Spiralmind]

Found this yesterday:
http://www.freeworldcharter.org/

Possibly the expected reboot/repackaging of the Venus Project. I'm having a discussion with the people behind the charter on their facebook page.

"I have many questions. There are far too many details left out for me to agree to this. While I think the goal is good and ideal, the methods are in question. After reading the charter, I saw no mention of 'human rights'. Love, inspiration, spirituality, creativity, aspiration being subordinate with science in charge raises serious alarm bells. With regard to teaching our youth, who decides what is taught? Also of concern is the phrase/concept of 'the common good' which sounds too close to the scientific justification for population reduction and other new world order ideas.
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Incidentally, has anyone read the inscriptions on the Georgia guidestones? Sound familiar?"
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