Consent : Conscious Choice : Are You Sovereign or Not Sovereign?

[Casey Claar]

Note: the image of me in this thumbnail is not authentic; it is AI generated

THE FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION OF SOVEREIGNTY
Am I sovereign or not sovereign?

***

In a recent podcast I appeared on recently ( link ), the host included a thumbnail, relative to my ET experience that boldly stated : I DIDN'T CONSENT.

The thumbnail was, I suspect, AI generated, and actually the reverse of what was discussed during the podcast. I quickly requested he consider changing the thumbnail -which currently are still on a rotation with others -though I think he may have now removed the one I requested. In my request to him, in the comments area of the upload I felt to be clear, briefly restating my own position. I was soon confronted on what I had said, or rather a viewer’s quick interpretation of what I had said. I would like to bring the ensuing conversation here, I find it critically important, there are many who jump to the same, or similar conclusion as that of the person who has recently engaged me. And, perhaps, more of us can get clear(er) on this subject.

The conversation began:

Casey: Oh my goodness, lol. Trey, the original thumbnail is much better and far more accurate. I hope you will consider putting that one back. I WOULD like to be clear, nothing occurs on a conscious level without our conscious consent, regardless of what the experience may feel like, or be conceptualized as from our end. Please note the original context of my words are relative to the content of expanded states entering our conscious, ground-level awareness —though I feel they hold across the board.

Other Person: "Nothing occurs on a conscious level without our conscious consent, regardless of what the experience may feel like," - thankyou for confirming that children are molested because they agreed to it and gave consent, lambs get eaten by wolves because = conscious consent, great spiritual lesson thankyou so much.

Casey: It is an easy error to make -it is not me who has jumped into it, though. If I might speak on my own behalf, what I have said in this podcast, and indeed mean in what I have written above, is that we, ourselves, ARE the reality we are experiencing. In this reality we make choices, and we experience these choices. One of the more fundamental choices we make (in life) is to frame ourself as either 1) sovereign, or 2) not sovereign. In my comment above I am saying that I am consciously choosing to frame myself as sovereign; to observe that reality is from the inside out. Though I experience this choice, I am also periodically tested in my resolve. There are many, perhaps even a great many, with more of a tendency to choose, for themselves, the latter; this choice may have the tendency to draw circumstances through which to experience the choice. An ability to see this in no way, shape, or form equates to saying that children (or anyone from the point of being born) consents to be harmed. This is not only an inaccurate, but horrifying thought. This said, the choices we do make in life, whether allowing ourselves to sufficiently cognize them or not, are not without potential consequence. And, again, one of the more fundamental choices we make for ourselves is the stance of being sovereign or not sovereign. So....choose wisely ( yes? ).

Other Person: Sovereign versus not sovereign - don't see it this way at all, it is predator versus prey.

Casey: Thank you for continuing.. Sovereignty, and the question/choice of sovereign or not sovereign is fundamental and rests at the basis of all further potential choice, all further potential duality, or dual relationships, such as the one you have brought to light, that of "predator/prey". Prior to the coloring of oneself in this light, is first the frame working of oneself as either sovereign, or not sovereign. Each of these provides a path, and itself is the fundamental building block with which experiences upon it are constructed and moved through. Again, choose wisely.

_____________________________

I am fairly certain this person's conversation with me will end here.

There remains, though, a far greater expanse of potential inquiry by which further clarity could arise.

Are you processing ideas within a similar vein? Share them here.

Where do you currently stand? Where are you still in question?
What would a test of your own resolve look like?

The discussion is OPEN >>>


Note: edited to add clarifying words in the first paragraph(s)

[guenonsbitch]

I would say that after sitting with ayahuasca on several occasions, I have zero doubt in my mind that we are creating our own reality. I used to repeat Lisa Renee's mantra often "I am sovereign, I am God, I am free." If someone wants to argue about why young children get tortured, animals being eaten, etc. I don't really bother trying to explain to them, as the typical human brain cannot really compute this. I remember reading something similar in The Secret 15 years ago and not being able to grasp it until I went through my own awakening process years later. But I do think "karma" and the divine order is working perfectly.

Posted by Casey Claar (here)

Note: the image of me in this thumbnail is not authentic; it is AI generated

THE FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION OF SOVEREIGNTY
Am I sovereign or not sovereign?

***

In a recent podcast I appeared on recently ( link ), the host included a thumbnail, relative to my ET experience that boldly stated : I DIDN'T CONSENT.

The thumbnail was, I suspect, AI generated, and actually the reverse of what was discussed during the podcast. I quickly requested he consider changing the thumbnail -which currently are still on a rotation with others -though I think he may have now removed the one I requested. In my request to him, in the comments area of the upload I felt to be clear, briefly restating my own position. I was soon confronted on what I had said, or rather a viewer’s quick interpretation of what I had said. I would like to bring the ensuing conversation here, I find it critically important, there are many who jump to the same, or similar conclusion as that of the person who has recently engaged me. And, perhaps, more of us can get clear(er) on this subject.

The conversation began:

Casey: Oh my goodness, lol. Trey, the original thumbnail is much better and far more accurate. I hope you will consider putting that one back. I WOULD like to be clear, nothing occurs on a conscious level without our conscious consent, regardless of what the experience may feel like, or be conceptualized as from our end. Please note the original context of my words are relative to the content of expanded states entering our conscious, ground-level awareness —though I feel they hold across the board.

Other Person: "Nothing occurs on a conscious level without our conscious consent, regardless of what the experience may feel like," - thankyou for confirming that children are molested because they agreed to it and gave consent, lambs get eaten by wolves because = conscious consent, great spiritual lesson thankyou so much.

Casey: It is an easy error to make -it is not me who has jumped into it, though. If I might speak on my own behalf, what I have said in this podcast, and indeed mean in what I have written above, is that we, ourselves, ARE the reality we are experiencing. In this reality we make choices, and we experience these choices. One of the more fundamental choices we make (in life) is to frame ourself as either 1) sovereign, or 2) not sovereign. In my comment above I am saying that I am consciously choosing to frame myself as sovereign; to observe that reality is from the inside out. Though I experience this choice, I am also periodically tested in my resolve. There are many, perhaps even a great many, with more of a tendency to choose, for themselves, the latter; this choice may have the tendency to draw circumstances through which to experience the choice. An ability to see this in no way, shape, or form equates to saying that children (or anyone from the point of being born) consents to be harmed. This is not only an inaccurate, but horrifying thought. This said, the choices we do make in life, whether allowing ourselves to sufficiently cognize them or not, are not without potential consequence. And, again, one of the more fundamental choices we make for ourselves is the stance of being sovereign or not sovereign. So....choose wisely ( yes? ).

Other Person: Sovereign versus not sovereign - don't see it this way at all, it is predator versus prey.

Casey: Thank you for continuing.. Sovereignty, and the question/choice of sovereign or not sovereign is fundamental and rests at the basis of all further potential choice, all further potential duality, or dual relationships, such as the one you have brought to light, that of "predator/prey". Prior to the coloring of oneself in this light, is first the frame working of oneself as either sovereign, or not sovereign. Each of these provides a path, and itself is the fundamental building block with which experiences upon it are constructed and moved through. Again, choose wisely.

_____________________________

I am fairly certain this person's conversation with me will end here.

There remains, though, a far greater expanse of potential inquiry by which further clarity could arise.

Are you processing ideas within a similar vein? Share them here.

Where do you currently stand? Where are you still in question?
What would a test of your own resolve look like?

The discussion is OPEN >>>


Note: edited to add clarifying words in the first paragraph(s)

[Casey Claar]

I would say that after sitting with ayahuasca on several occasions, I have zero doubt in my mind that we are creating our own reality. I used to repeat Lisa Renee's mantra often "I am sovereign, I am God, I am free." If someone wants to argue about why young children get tortured, animals being eaten, etc. I don't really bother trying to explain to them, as the typical human brain cannot really compute this. I remember reading something similar in The Secret 15 years ago and not being able to grasp it until I went through my own awakening process years later. But I do think "karma" and the divine order is working perfectly.

Thank you for sharing this.

I understand, through others rather than direct experience, that Ayahuasca can tear quite successfully through the egoic structure and perceived spectrums of separation. I am pleased to hear it has been beneficial to you. Re: others, if I feel a strong force of opposition, I, too, will often not feel welcome to speak; the door is shut, so I will not try to go through. In the instance of the person speaking with me now on this issue, I am not feeling strong opposition, I feel a certain amount of breathing room in his-or-her engagement of me. Contemplations such as this, sometimes precede little pranic bursts of awakening.

Interestingly,

This person has in fact engaged me further. S/he asks >>>

is a sheep sovereign? Non-Sovereign? Predator? or Prey?

My answer:

Within the sheep's own 2D awareness and experience of itself it is free to be as it pleases; the egoic structure you and I experience is not a part of its lived experience. Meaning, the sheep enjoys a greater connection with the Whole than do we. I have gleaned this. in part, from OBEs wherein I have been merged in the consciousness field of 2D animals. But I feel it, also, as a differential when I hold or otherwise connect with them.

Additionally, (I would add), as the sheep exists within MY own awareness of the sheep, it is also free, as I have framed myself as sovereign.

Within the 3D framework in which you and I exist, people make all kinds of choices; some are quite poor in quality. They are free to do so, to be who and where they are in their life process -as sovereign beings. Being sovereign does not make one wise, or good, or refined. Most do not even realize they ARE sovereign. Which is the more actual springboard for their fear and pain, and expressions thereof.

As a species we have much to learn
and REMEMBER.

[Harmony]

Casey I am always intrested in what you have to say It is often beyond my own experience and can be hard to grasp from my own limited perspective.


Am I correct in understanding what you are imparting? If you are a sovereign being you must also give that same "allowance" to others. All being free to make choices in the 3D reality and live with the consequences of choices made by yourself and others, but not necessarily agree with choices that seem poorly made?


That "poorly made" choice is the difficult part to come to terms with. I realise people are learning and experiencing those energetic consequences but I find it hard to "accept" that as being ok when seeing or experiencing great suffering. I understand on a very "large encompassing view" it may be correct somehow but it seems hard to understand from where we are right now looking out at the world, even though we know it is inside ourself where focus needs to be to make changes.



from Casey's post above

Within the 3D framework in which you and I exist, people make all kinds of choices; some are quite poor in quality. They are free to do so, to be who and where they are in their life process -as sovereign beings. Being sovereign does not make one wise, or good, or refined. Most do not even realize they ARE sovereign. Which is the more actual springboard for their fear and pain, and expressions thereof.

As a species we have much to learn
and REMEMBER.

Can you say more about being sovereign doesn't make you wise. Is it because it is needed to be conscious of our relationship and interaction to everything around us and how we are generating what is coming through our being on an "energetic measure", or a kind of coherence to the energetics in an understanding of what those energetics hold and create in the 3D world?

[Agape]

Hello Casey. I believe we exist both as sovereign and co-dependent entities in the vastness of Space .

We depend on others to share our mission. We depend on various paternal and maternal lineages who taught us about this world and how to talk .

We depend on the simply kind but hard working people of this planet for bread , milk, vegetables and the whole delivery system. We walk on their pavements and sleep on their cushions that have seen history . We read the books they have written on the paper they have printed.

We have chewed most of their findings and fed it to the AI.

We are sovereign in world where sovereignty has been continuously , meticulously getting outlawed of recent few thousand years.


It just seems to me , that the "great human experiment" will get over itself, one day. Because if mankind was ever more intelligent now than previously it's virtual slaves like cows would walk out of their ranches , and declare themselves free.

May be the time is not right and people still long to be owned and told what to do and they still enjoy sorting the grim puzzle of market prices and are nowhere ready to stand free .


Seeing how this will not happen any soon makes me cry .

We are the sole owners and possessors of our freedom , for sure and only those freedoms we miss we have ourselves forsaken.


🙏

[Victoria]

I saw your post before going to bed and wanted to respond but lacked enough time to do so. The minute I stop in the evenings to sit, my eyes instantly close and then we wake up running.

Gratefully, I got a slight nudge in the direction of this post as I was leaving dreams this morning, a voice called out: "We have soul immunity" and I think I called back, "Is that the same thing as sovereignty?" It might have been someone else in the dream asking the question; hard to tell while opening my eyes to the brilliant sun pouring in, communication and memory fading in its light.

I think about sovereignty often, sharing Agape's view in that we have overlapping spheres of influence and connection, as we write an indelible story made possible through sharing, knowing and living with others. Definitions tend to bother me because of their restrictive boundaries, and I struggle with melding peoples' perceptions of them into one box for an accord.

Since I was a little girl and before I read or knew any definition, I had been claiming sovereignty and bristling strongly against anything that wanted my attention, alignment or commitment to join. I think it had to do with an extremely overbearing father and seeing a cruel system of control and manipulation that harmed creatures who seemed to have no way out. I didn't want any part of it. I wanted them to take their autonomy back...to be free to escape the struggle and torture...to defend themselves or that I would help in every way humanly possible.

Only as an adult did I begin to question what is meant by being truly sovereign, after holding it an imperative through life... and I love this discussion- for your invitation to learn about what it means to each of us and what it would imply in the greater context. Thank you

[Bill Ryan]

I have a small perspective to offer, but I truly don't know if it's relevant to the issue of 'sovereignty', as that concept may well mean slightly different things to different people.

Using an analogy from my own world of personal experience, I might make the free, sovereign choice to go climb a mountain. I've chosen good equipment, I know how to use it, I have a map, I know how to read it, and I checked the weather forecast, which is good. I think to myself, I'll probably have a very good day and I'll surely return safe.

So though it might be a serious undertaking, basically I'm playing a game. The outcome of any game is not certain (or it wouldn't be a game!), and part of the value, satisfaction and learning of playing any game at all (whether it's chess, climbing a mountain. getting married, or incarnating as a human) is that:

• We can't know or predict exactly what's going to happen;
• We make sovereign choices (which may or may not turn out well);
• We may get the chance to return and play the game again, hoping for and intending a better outcome, or an even better outcome.

Back to my mountain climbing day, if I knew exactly what was going to happen and what challenges I might have to face, it wouldn't be much fun. I might get lost and have to figure out how to get home safely. I might slip and sprain my ankle or break my leg, and have to figure out how to stay safe and warm until someone found me. I might get caught in an avalanche and have to dig myself out quickly before the snow turned solid and buried me totally. All kinds of things might happen. Like watching a movie one's not seen before, that's what makes it all interesting.

But even with all that uncertainty, I still made the sovereign choice to undertake the challenge.

The same with a new job, a new relationship, or a new lifetime in a new body.

To play any game (one one's own with oneself, or against some kind of opposition) there have to be uncertainties, random factors, and circumstances beyond one's own control. That's what makes it all worthwhile. What we do is choose the games we want to play.

[Casey Claar]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
I have a small perspective to offer, but I truly don't know if it's relevant to the issue of 'sovereignty', as that concept may well mean slightly different things to different people.

Using an analogy from my own world of personal experience, I might make the free, sovereign choice to go climb a mountain. I've chosen good equipment, I know how to use it, I have a map, I know how to read it, and I checked the weather forecast, which is good. I think to myself, I'll probably have a very good day and I'll surely return safe.

So though it might be a serious undertaking, basically I'm playing a game. The outcome of any game is not certain (or it wouldn't be a game!), and part of the value, satisfaction and learning of playing any game at all (whether it's chess, climbing a mountain. getting married, or incarnating as a human) is that:

• We can't know or predict exactly what's going to happen;
• We make sovereign choices (which may or may not turn out well);
• We may get the chance to return and play the game again, hoping for and intending a better outcome, or an even better outcome.

Back to my mountain climbing day, if I knew exactly what was going to happen and what challenges I might have to face, it wouldn't be much fun. I might get lost and have to figure out how to get home safely. I might slip and sprain my ankle or break my leg, and have to figure out how to stay safe and warm until someone found me. I might get caught in an avalanche and have to dig myself out quickly before the snow turned solid and buried me totally. All kinds of things might happen. Like watching a movie one's not seen before, that's what makes it all interesting.

But even with all that uncertainty, I still made the sovereign choice to undertake the challenge.

The same with a new job, a new relationship, or a new lifetime in a new body.

To play any game (one one's own with oneself, or against some kind of opposition) there have to be uncertainties, random factors, and circumstances beyond one's own control. That's what makes it all worthwhile. What we do is choose the games we want to play.

Bill,

You bring up a very good, key point (ie: the fundamental meaning of the concept of sovereignty). So let me begin here.

A statement within oneself of being sovereign, as I see it within myself, patterns through a person as a fundamental awareness and acceptance of its conceptual equivalent, Oneness/the-Oneness-of-all-things, and, additionally, of oneself ( <-- in the broad sense ) as the source, center and circumference of any given life experience; inherent to this is a natural alignment with the responsibility of such to always rest with the self. I would emphasize responsibility, not its judgment-based counterpart - blame. "I am responsible for my choices. I am responsible for any thought, emotion, action, tendency and behavior to which I give residence or passage. I am responsible for the manner in which I process, experience and express what I do. If I find myself in a situation or circumstance potentially untoward, it is only I who have brought myself to it." I never give my power away, never frame myself as not in command, not responsible, a victim, or prey, for within this framework I am diminished and will find it challenging to invoke a change; once here I may be here for a great while, experiencing all that might be drawn to such a choice, potentially lifetime after lifetime.

TO REVIEW (the paragraph above)

• Oneness is the basis of Sovereignty, which is an inherent quality of such.

• Sovereignty includes the awareness and acceptance of oneself as the source, center and circumference of a given life experience.

• Sovereignty speaks of responsibility as always resting with the self.

• Sovereignty never gives away its power or frames itself as less than what it is.

• Sovereignty is central to free-will, and the free-will choice to give one's power to an other.

So .... as I see it within myself, Oneness is the Origin of Sovereignty; Sovereignty is its inherent quality -which gives rise to free-will and free-will choice, which is the quality ( of Sovereignty ) in direct expression. The withinness of ourselves does become more apparent as it is invoked; this does give rise to the wondrous.

There is likely a great deal more that could be added here.

[to all]
Is there something you, yourself, may be feeling to say?

Anything you might add, or question?

[Casey Claar]

Hey, everyone, there are music lessons going on downstairs which are very LOUD ....I am going to pause here until they stop *hopefully this is before I go to bed. I do want to take a moment right now to let you all know how grateful I am for this discussion with all of you. Soooo many inspiring things being said. {{{ thank you }}}

[Casey Claar]

Posted by Victoria (here)
I saw your post before going to bed and wanted to respond but lacked enough time to do so. The minute I stop in the evenings to sit, my eyes instantly close and then we wake up running.

Gratefully, I got a slight nudge in the direction of this post as I was leaving dreams this morning, a voice called out: "We have soul immunity" and I think I called back, "Is that the same thing as sovereignty?" It might have been someone else in the dream asking the question; hard to tell while opening my eyes to the brilliant sun pouring in, communication and memory fading in its light.

I think about sovereignty often, sharing Agape's view in that we have overlapping spheres of influence and connection, as we write an indelible story made possible through sharing, knowing and living with others. Definitions tend to bother me because of their restrictive boundaries, and I struggle with melding peoples' perceptions of them into one box for an accord.

Since I was a little girl and before I read or knew any definition, I had been claiming sovereignty and bristling strongly against anything that wanted my attention, alignment or commitment to join. I think it had to do with an extremely overbearing father and seeing a cruel system of control and manipulation that harmed creatures who seemed to have no way out. I didn't want any part of it. I wanted them to take their autonomy back...to be free to escape the struggle and torture...to defend themselves or that I would help in every way humanly possible.

Only as an adult did I begin to question what is meant by being truly sovereign, after holding it an imperative through life... and I love this discussion- for your invitation to learn about what it means to each of us and what it would imply in the greater context. Thank you

I love this discussion, too, Victoria

Your presence here means a great deal to the discussion, what you bring is real, I can feel every wondrous inch of it. Thank you.

Re: "We have soul immunity" — I find it fundamentally true that the soul, our seed self / seed consciousness is itself not directly affected by the choices made through its ground-level personality points < — these seem to me to exist within a sphere of experience all their own, a bubble within a bubble, if you will. However, what the seed self, or soul, is able to learn of itself and directly express through its ground-level manifestations is limited to what it can actualize through them. So, I feel, its impetus to keep at it, to continue growing in its capacity is a given. This is my way of saying YES, I feel the inherent sovereign nature of the soul is ever known to it — though it may have yet to be able to actualize and express this in/through ground-level experience; it is likely to keep at it until it does.

Re: Overlapping spheres of influence — These are always fundamentally INTERNAL; the personality point being a fractal within the seed self (soul-level-of-being), which is a fractal within the archetypal ( some say "angelic" ) influence of the seed self, which is a fractal within the One/Oneness Itself; the inherent alignment of these fundamental spheres of influence is a given *though we can have the tendency to cut ourselves off from the knowing and immediate experience of this. The spheres, or persons seemingly external to us exist within this same structure, though the details/distinguishing features of 'them' may be unique, as well as where they are within 'their' own evolution of experience. All within the overall structure of Oneness are sovereign, and making free-will choices — together. If ONE is sovereign, ALL are sovereign. It is the very good news -which those of us ground-level have a tendency to choose to resist; they more often do not realize, this moves them into a negative camp. (huge subject).

I have a father who I experienced in the same way as you did yours.

Re: "The cruel system of control" — I find it more beneficial to myself to acknowledge what seems outside myself ( ex: the world ) as a MIRROR; it is not fundamental but it reflects back to us what is collectively being chosen. This has the tendency to make me want to see into myself more genuinely. To not hide where, I, myself am being reflected back in this picture. This is how I can most effectively not participate in what seems cruel, or just off from what is natural. The reality does change when I do this. It is no longer obscured from me that I AM the reality I am experiencing. It has taken all of what I am to get here. But the awareness field alone is not enough, this must process down through the energetic and physical fields before all is complete. There is a far way to go, still. The distance will be gone. If this aids you or anyone in some way, I will personally be very pleased.

Now, this I would like to highlight:

I think it had to do with ... seeing a cruel system of control and manipulation that harmed creatures who seemed to have no way out. I didn't want any part of it. I wanted them to take their autonomy back...to be free to escape the struggle and torture...to defend themselves

This brings up another element within the Oneness/Sovereign/Free-Will structure, and that is the free-will choice to enter the Earth-life duality system as either [ + ] or [ - ] .... both being critical to the growth potential which exists here. Sovereignty belongs to it all; accepting this is the way of the positive, resisting/fighting this is the way of the negative. It is important to glean this, look within, and see the way in which we ourself are spinning. Often it can be against, rather than with our own grain.

I feel it is important to say that standing in our sovereignty does not mean we will not ever be in a situation or circumstance in which our [ - ] brothers and sisters are invoking dominance over us. It means that, even within such an event, I realize the choices I have made have brought me to it —as a test of my own resolve (we grow weak if not periodically tested), as a result of errors within myself which have allowed a frequency match with the negative to occur, as the literal fire through I may walk unscathed into a whole new gradient of myself. So much is possible. However, the quality and extent of such is necessarily reliant on my capacity to stand within my own sovereignty in any event. Do you see? so often what we may see as horrific is the very opportunity by which to exceed ourselves. We might bless all with whom we intersect, with this light. ( I do ).

[Casey Claar]

Posted by Agape (here)
Hello Casey. I believe we exist both as sovereign and co-dependent entities in the vastness of Space .

We depend on others to share our mission. We depend on various paternal and maternal lineages who taught us about this world and how to talk .

We depend on the simply kind but hard working people of this planet for bread , milk, vegetables and the whole delivery system. We walk on their pavements and sleep on their cushions that have seen history . We read the books they have written on the paper they have printed.

We have chewed most of their findings and fed it to the AI.

We are sovereign in world where sovereignty has been continuously , meticulously getting outlawed of recent few thousand years.


It just seems to me , that the "great human experiment" will get over itself, one day. Because if mankind was ever more intelligent now than previously it's virtual slaves like cows would walk out of their ranches , and declare themselves free.

May be the time is not right and people still long to be owned and told what to do and they still enjoy sorting the grim puzzle of market prices and are nowhere ready to stand free .


Seeing how this will not happen any soon makes me cry .

We are the sole owners and possessors of our freedom , for sure and only those freedoms we miss we have ourselves forsaken.


🙏

Hello, Agape

I am going to trust in our ability to be here today with one another - and with your heartfelt, poetic words supply a bit of torque, as a way to maybe create some added growth space through our sometimes slight, sometimes vast differentials. I do realize I am not always successful in ( my intention in ) this. But, let us see. Here we go. Line for line:

"I believe we exist both as sovereign and co-dependent entities in the vastness of Space."

I feel we exist as sovereign, co-operative entities in the vastness of Space.

"We depend on others to share our mission. We depend on various paternal and maternal lineages who taught us about this world and how to talk."

We design with one another. We design (potentials) through paternal and maternal lineages in which we trust will aid in bringing our full potential forth.

"We depend on the simply kind but hard working people of this planet for bread , milk, vegetables and the whole delivery system. We walk on their pavements and sleep on their cushions that have seen history . We read the books they have written on the paper they have printed."

We place our trust in the simply kind but hard working people of this planet for necessities. We walk upon the pavement they provide and sleep on cushions seeped in collective history. We read the books they have written on the paper they have printed. I, too, as co-operative add the value of myself to this pool.

"We are sovereign in a world where sovereignty has been continuously , meticulously getting outlawed of recent few thousand years."

Oneness, Sovereignty, the very basis of the world in which we live goes unseen, seemingly more, to greater degrees in times of late, giving rise to antagonistic expression.

"It just seems to me , that the "great human experiment" will get over itself, one day. Because if mankind was ever more intelligent now than previously it's virtual slaves like cows would walk out of their ranches , and declare themselves free."

It seems to me this will one day correct. If mankind's potential is ahead of where it has been previously, those who err in perceiving themselves, or any as not sovereign will find it within themselves to cease.

"May be the time is not right and people still long to be owned and told what to do and they still enjoy sorting the grim puzzle of market prices and are nowhere ready to stand free."

The potential ( to cease ) exists. Within myself I will find it and actualize it, and in this mankind will also.

"Seeing how this will not happen any soon makes me cry."

Seeing how this can happen in any moment is the way.


____________________________


The story we tell is the one we live

It is all too easy in present times to go down into despair, do not; reframe now - course correct.

YOU ARE THE REALITY - the world is a mirror.

Contemplate this until you are clear.


(nothing but love)



Casey

[Casey Claar]

Posted by Harmony (here)
Casey I am always intrested in what you have to say It is often beyond my own experience and can be hard to grasp from my own limited perspective.


Am I correct in understanding what you are imparting? If you are a sovereign being you must also give that same "allowance" to others. All being free to make choices in the 3D reality and live with the consequences of choices made by yourself and others, but not necessarily agree with choices that seem poorly made?


That "poorly made" choice is the difficult part to come to terms with. I realise people are learning and experiencing those energetic consequences but I find it hard to "accept" that as being ok when seeing or experiencing great suffering. I understand on a very "large encompassing view" it may be correct somehow but it seems hard to understand from where we are right now looking out at the world, even though we know it is inside ourself where focus needs to be to make changes.



from Casey's post above

Within the 3D framework in which you and I exist, people make all kinds of choices; some are quite poor in quality. They are free to do so, to be who and where they are in their life process -as sovereign beings. Being sovereign does not make one wise, or good, or refined. Most do not even realize they ARE sovereign. Which is the more actual springboard for their fear and pain, and expressions thereof.

As a species we have much to learn
and REMEMBER.

Can you say more about being sovereign doesn't make you wise. Is it because it is needed to be conscious of our relationship and interaction to everything around us and how we are generating what is coming through our being on an "energetic measure", or a kind of coherence to the energetics in an understanding of what those energetics hold and create in the 3D world?

Harmony,

Thank you for always being so willing to jump in with me ( it makes me smile ).

Sovereignty is at the very basis of being. It is, endlessly, in every moment, in all that is. But one can cut this ( knowing ) off from themself, personally assign it here and there, and/or to no-one. This is expected of the negatively oriented entity, it is the role they play and this action ( which enhances perceived separation ) will energize them; divide and concur by way of fear and resistance, this is their course. But, of the positively oriented it is the reverse ( unification is the course ) love and allowance the way, not just for oneself but for all — yes. It is a game, and the game is to be who we are. First, it must be found out, though, right? Which am I? which am I really? which have I been designed to be? Once the truth of it is seen, from here it is a matter of actualizing this here ground-level. Ne easy feat —for here we all are, following unknown epochs, still at it.

Can you say more about being sovereign doesn't make you wise.

Being sovereign means being willing to see who you are. Seeing who you are does not equate to the immediate ability to make good quality choices for yourself, any more than knowing that potato chips and candy are not the best quality foods to be putting into myself will necessarily stop me from eating them, lol. Noooo .... it is the choice of doing just this, experiencing the result, time and time again, until I am ready to make a more beneficial choice that makes one wise. In other words, making choices ( whatever they may be ) and experiencing them -in time makes one wise.

Does it make sense?

[Delight]

We are destined to choose to BE ourselves and Sovereign. We can only actualize our potential destiny through personal experience IMO. The reason I say destiny is from my idea that this life is a journey of discovery of knowing oneself. Sovereignty is MY goal. I think that because my experience is of uncovering truthfully how programmed and determined my "reality" has been.I think we undo the programming through disillusionment. IMO betrayal and disillusionment have helped me peel layers away of programming. The kernal is still there of NOT sovereign. However, I am still here unfolding.

It was the best of times and it was the worst of times displays the truth of every "time".

IMO this whole materium is one where paradox underlies its structure. There is a collective experience that is IMO a programmed imposition of mental thoughtforms. Call it pendulums swinging, karma, fate, whatever, there is no free will there... just endless spinning thoughtforms imprinting matter.
WE produce the story we are told of "how things are" because we don't know anything else.

NOT KNOWING we are the source of our outpictured perception is IMO NOT SOVEREIGN. We react and react and react. Emphasis on RE-ACT. Repetition endlessly of the same stories of the worst of times. It is not a happy ending IMO. IMO this collective conglomeration of "thoughtforms has become a miasm.

However, IN THIS collective story, we may have a completely unique experience. So for me sovereign and NOT sovereign are possible experiences. We do choose but the paradox is, you cannot choose what you do not perceive is a possibility. How willing are we to unravel our self perception? It seems full of peril to individuate. Ignorance of self is our prison IMO. IMO we can be swayed to choose ignorance by trauma etc..

I am very aware that we are energetic beings. If we can operate form that POV, we wonder about such things as how to get all one's energy from Source? Are not we really self healing expressions of OUR OUTPICTURED energy. We wonder, how much ENERGY does a "person" actually have access to and where does energy dissipate and how much theft of energy is happening through poor boundaries.

I KNOW I am an energy being. It makes sense that at some point, I will no longer need energy from food IF I open to Creator's flow. That will be when I am Sovereign.

Regarding children's suffering in so many ways and that includes the child we still ARE:

This is not fair. This is infuriating, disgusting, dispicable, heart breaking, outrageous and injust. It is happening. I THINK Torture has happened to all of us. The SYSTEM is torturous as a general pattern of subjugation. IMO the landscape of devolution is VERY visable in this realm. Good becomes its opposite in the world. Yes, I do think we are impinged upon by malevolent NHI. However, I think WE created the collective possibility that children MUST FEED the SYSTEM.

There is a collective Egregore of suffering, pain and death which mightily suits some NHI but it USES human thought and human imagination. Human beings have been subjected to horror and all life is being subjected to horror. A collective Egregore of human thought has become inverted, twisted and evil.
However, many FEEL the Good in their situations despite challenges. They thrive.

IMO the paradox of the extreme polarity is that we may choose Good over Evil and see its fruits in real time. Dark trauma cannot determine the destiny of a being who can while alive HERE and NOW become sovereign. Becoming sovereign is an individual journey.

IMO a Sovereign being chooses to live where all seek this state and KNOW what it feels to BE oneself in harmony with the whole. I am aiming there.

My personal belief at this time is that we may each connct to Creator and be guided and nurtured by the Source itself to become sovereign. IMO when we ARE that fully, everything must shift in our experience to support that state. When we are reconnected to our imagination and to HIGHER mind, we can change our perception. I call perception as including higher states of sensing.

Maybe this is ascension....

I sincerely love what I imagine as this world turned right side up and inside out to reveal the original intent and loving God in all forms. The paradox is no longer seen as binary opposites and we can see the whole. We can choose experience from knowing. There is no predation where all are fed from Source directly.

I am personally very wary of the new age idea of courting demigods and secret knowledge. IMO this is not helpful to become sovereign. IMO you HAVE to meet your SELF as guide and experience the power of God and actually have a relationship with Creator. Then we rise above the "playing field" of the SYSTEM that we created.

Paradox that here in this materium lies EVERY POSSIBLE expression of duality, means we can choose the coin's face. By our observation it is heads or tail. After we choose, "something" manifests to exhibit which side of the coin we attended.

[norman]

Posted by Casey Claar (here)



Where do you currently stand?

The discussion is OPEN >>>

Sovereignty is just yourself living in infinitely powerful faith.

Self empowerment is an inverted replication from the Luciferian upside down world.

[Agape]

In either case ...


Casey Clear = Clear Crystal with or without Case(y).

The Mirror like Property of Universal Mind reflects , bends and repairs images cast upon itself, impartially.

The delusion of local space time with its mirror like image of Space
is a tiny bubble that grows with its inhabitants .

Once born here , small but significant portion of our universal self temporarily looses its true identity , in order to "blend in" or to "contribute" all that remains after us is a signature,
footsteps in the sand glass , with or without logo .


There is not much to do about "here" really
or to get attached to what we see.



It all together also is a world of "lost aliens" waiting for signal in a sandpit.



🪷

[Anchor]

Posted by Casey Claar (here)
Where do you currently stand?

The discussion is OPEN >>>

I love being given that kind of license Fallible opinion follows....

I stand as Sovereign.

In theory... at the unveiled highest sum of each of our selves, we are Sovereign. Complete with unfettered free will, it can't be any other way for we are, each moment, expressions of the infinite creator.

This template follows down to our currently incarnated forms, veiled in illusion, confusion and some necessary forgetting of the bigger picture - and through all that the idea of being Sovereign resonates for many - it certainly does for me.

This also means we must recognize that we are individually responsible and accountable for our thoughts, words and deeds and the way in which we use the power available to us and the consequences of doing so - especially if that brings us to the boundaries of possible infringement on the free wills of some of our other-selves (the idea of consent being relevant here).

Obviously there is much about ourselves we are not consciously aware of in this current phase of incarnated life - everything we do with our powers is the result of a decision we take and we are free to take, and we reap what we sow.

[Isserley]

I feel under-capacitated at the moment to read and understand all the answers above, but I will offer my simplified view that brings me comfort in all of this.

What is problematic is the lack of understanding of injustice towards beings who cannot make any conscious decisions because they are either too young or psychophysically powerless and unprepared for 3D reality.

It is logical to ask, what influences their course of life?

Perhaps it is better to ask who makes these decisions and how "conscious" are they? The only logical explanation would be that decisions are made before birth that most people are not aware of in this life and are based on previous experiences/lives.

My conclusion is that consent and choice are not conscious, at least not in the early stages of life and not for all beings. The beginning can be extremely difficult or easy and is a product of previous lives and perhaps inherited traumas and karma from ancestors. That beginning may or may not affect the rest of life.

The rest of adult life is important, because it determines the further course and the next beginning. It is the conscious part that we CAN influence and we must in order to save ourselves.

[Delight]

In my deep "make up", I am obedient. Yes, I might rebel but I have a zillion reasons that makes obedience make sense. However, the world is severely shattering the reasons for obedience. I really feel that my disillusionment about obedience is that what I see finally, Our willingeness to go along with rules AS RULES imposed over EVERYTHING and the creation of a police force to enforce rules JUST BECAUSE THE AUTHORITY says so is absurd and makes me feel disgust. It is self disgust with shame.

I deep down believe the SYSTEM is more powerful than I as a person.

Under my obedience is fear. I can give examples but its all about the SYSTEM coming down on me. SO< as long as complying is not fully against my value... like taking a pharmaceutical, I will obey rules to avoid trouble.

This is just little me without the Divine. With Divine, I KNOW that these fears are not REALLY mine. It is programming. I KNOW we dont need "rules" for their own sake. Obedience is an imposed behavior. It is not Sovereign. We need to be in relationship where we act based on what is "appropriate". There cant be lies and manipulation. In Divine world, cooperation is different form governance. I KNOW what it feels like to live in Divine world. In many ways, I already live where I am very lucky. However, I am moving towards Sovereign being. It is what we all may head towards. I KNOW there is a different kind of PHYSICAL world our hearts long to be in.

[Casey Claar]

Posted by Delight (here)
In my deep "make up", I am obedient. Yes, I might rebel but I have a zillion reasons that makes obedience make sense. However, the world is severely shattering the reasons for obedience. I really feel that my disillusionment about obedience is that what I see finally, Our willingeness to go along with rules AS RULES imposed over EVERYTHING and the creation of a police force to enforce rules JUST BECAUSE THE AUTHORITY says so is absurd and makes me feel disgust. It is self disgust with shame.

I deep down believe the SYSTEM is more powerful than I as a person.

Under my obedience is fear. I can give examples but its all about the SYSTEM coming down on me. SO< as long as complying is not fully against my value... like taking a pharmaceutical, I will obey rules to avoid trouble.

This is just little me without the Divine. With Divine, I KNOW that these fears are not REALLY mine. It is programming. I KNOW we dont need "rules" for their own sake. Obedience is an imposed behavior. It is not Sovereign. We need to be in relationship where we act based on what is "appropriate". There cant be lies and manipulation. In Divine world, cooperation is different form governance. I KNOW what it feels like to live in Divine world. In many ways, I already live where I am very lucky. However, I am moving towards Sovereign being. It is what we all may head towards. I KNOW there is a different kind of PHYSICAL world our hearts long to be in.

Delight,

My apologies for when I am delayed. You bring up a good CENTRAL point. However —

Before lighting it up, please let me first suggest that "Sovereign" is more fundamental to who/what we each are. A person can choose to not acknowledge their sovereignty, to instead place a bit of distance between themself and that which they more fundamentally are, but when this is done it is necessarily via some level of distortion. To be alert to this can prove helpful. The One is Sovereign BECAUSE THERE IS NO OTHER; there is a ONENESS, an ALL-NESS, within which there is much activity (to keep it simple). When there is something within our own self, our personal view or perception that does not (re)solve itself to this, know the perception to contain distortion/inaccuracy <— this is always true, of course, but there are distortions with foundation, and distortions with absolutely no foundation whatsoever. It is the latter that each one of us has to make our way through. Having said this >>

Re: Obedience

I, myself, would not insert this particular conceptual flavor, but I can also easily include it in with those I would and have : that of ACCEPTANCE, ALLOWANCE.

Obedience, allowance, acceptance, IS ALWAYS OF/TO ONESELF - to who one is and who they have been designed to be.

If, for example, one is of a positive orientation/service <— then acceptance is to this; what does it mean? it means, to me, fundamentally, that I work in service to the whole (not just myself) and that I do not infringe upon free-will. If, to extend the example, I am invited to 1) surrender my service, 2) serve negatively, 3) de-polarize myself ... I ACCEPT WHO I AM ( I am sovereign; all are sovereign ), I allow myself to be who I am and to work in service to the whole, not infringing upon the free-will of any to the best of my current capacity. In surrendering to who I am, and to my service, I am not infringing upon the free-will of those who make such invitations; their will is their will, I accept their sovereignty and what is their sovereign right to choose, even if the choice is negative and my enslavement their aim. It is in the mix of all this that each one of us must surrender to who we are. It is why it is of such great importance to find this out.

Let me pause here a moment, and ask if any of this is making sense?

There is a great deal more that could be brought to light.

[Harmony]

Casey, I understand your above post is in response to Delight post. I think I am understanding a little more about being "Sovereign" from what you have written above:

Re: Obedience

I, myself, would not insert this particular conceptual flavor, but I can also easily include it in with those I would and have : that of ACCEPTANCE, ALLOWANCE.

Obedience, allowance, acceptance, IS ALWAYS OF/TO ONESELF - to who one is and who they have been designed to be.

If, for example, one is of a positive orientation/service <— then acceptance is to this; what does it mean? it means, to me, fundamentally, that I work in service to the whole (not just myself) and that I do not infringe upon free-will. If, to extend the example, I am invited to 1) surrender my service, 2) serve negatively, 3) de-polarize myself ... I ACCEPT WHO I AM ( I am sovereign; all are sovereign ), I allow myself to be who I am and to work in service to the whole, not infringing upon the free-will of any to the best of my current capacity. In surrendering to who I am, and to my service, I am not infringing upon the free-will of those who make such invitations; their will is their will, I accept their sovereignty and what is their sovereign right to choose, even if the choice is negative and my enslavement their aim. It is in the mix of all this that each one of us must surrender to who we are. It is why it is of such great importance to find this out.

Let me pause here a moment, and ask if any of this is making sense?

There is a great deal more that could be brought to light.

If we are to be who we are it is ok to not approve of anothers seemingly negative behaviour, accept it for what it is but ok to respond as in the following short video clip:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=GwmJ76VjXaE