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    Yesterday, soldiers from the Canadian Armed Forces were deployed at the Saint-Bernard-de-Lacolle border crossing to build a camp to accommodate migrants crossing the Canada-US border. Because about 700 newcomers, mostly Haitian, are currently crammed into the Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA), without a shower or a bed.

    Canada has maintained a large-scale immigration policy since the Mulroney era. It's a very expensive program. Studies have indicated that on balance the most recent generation of immigrants hasn't integrated well, particularly in economic terms, compared to previous generations. And the costs of integrating refugees and asylum seekers are no doubt substantially higher than integrating immigrants who arrive via the regular immigration program.

    Were the costs of this entire enterprise to seen by taxpayers to be burdensome, public support for the entire program would plummet. Rather than representing a contradiction, there is a very direct connection between carefully controlling the flow of asylum seekers and refugees and maintaining a relatively generous immigration program.

    How democratic are you, Trudeau, when you're not listening to Canadian's voice for putting a break on this?

    Links on this subject :

    http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/s...get-to-canada/

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40879544

    http://www.canada.com/news/local-new...499/story.html

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    I see nothing wrong with welcoming and sharing to those who have less by those who have in abundance. The thing to watch is the hidden agenda by the gangster puppet (gov). Canadians and the migrants should be able to see this. Those who are already aware should be on the front line. The most common agenda is to create conflict. First part of the solution is to be aware of the problem.

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    Hi Gaia, you are quite right, Trudeau is not really concerned about democracy, except to con your vote on election day. These political parties in Canada are just organizations that collect money from their members, without asking their opinions on policy matters, then, if they get to power, obfuscate most of what they do, such as what is actually happening in this refugee program. These politicians are easily bribed (i bet most have hidden offshore bank accounts).

    Both major federal parties cater to big business (or the cabal as they may be called). Two recent instances come to mind. First is our beloved Trudeau who missed a vote in the house of commons because he was in new york for a meeting with the blackrock hedgefund group (vulture fund). What was he doing meeting with those capitalist vampires instead of serving the people who elected him? Because he doesnt serve the people who elected him, he serves those who pay him the most.

    A second instance is the fraud and influence peddling trial of the engineering firm snc lavalin. Lavalin has been caught making campaign donations to both major federal parties to the tune of $100k. This is a very cheap price to pay to own both sides and have unfettered access to the billions of dollars of federal contracts. In this link it describes how lavalin is involved in mutiple bribery trials, one which was dismissed because some judge (likely bribed himself) threw out incriminating wiretaps because they were issued on 'rumors'.

    http://business.financialpost.com/ne...7-070990cd00c7

    So dont look to our governments for honesty, honor or transparency. They are just another hog in the trough (no offense to hogs).

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    When a country takes in refugees they basically are survivalists in their own country they most often do not integrate well. A survivalist mentality is one of survival by any means and ways and in some of those seeming GOD forsaken countries, who could blame them. This is not a judgement on their culture or way of life but reality for many refugees.

    Why they don't integrate well IMO and experience is that their mindset of indoctrination cannot change without many years of support and education. Just helping someone to learn to speak english and get menial work in the end is not sufficient enough in the process of integration.

    All one has to do it look at our First Nations and the suppressive ways of integration for over 100 years. Oh yes we isolated them, took their children to educate or indoctrinate, kept reservations in deep poverty and just the basics, did not truly welcome them into society and nurture them to integration. It was basically shoved down their throats and the resistance is apparent till today and one cannot help but admire their strength and courage to hang onto their identity and heritage..

    We have learned that culture is culture and tribes (all tribes) will find ways to band together for their sense of belonging and comfort and today most, no matter the relocation or migration have maintained their culture and traditions. That is why we have places such as Little Italy, China Town, Pakistan Village, etc. in all hubs and suburbs of bigger cities.

    I have worked with many legal immigrants and their process is gruelling as although they might have a degree from their country it was not recognized here in Canada and thus many were expected to work for minimum wage of find ways to upgrade their education so that they could get degree recognition in their chosen field. I have worked with refugees from El Salvador...many were suffering from PTSD first and foremost. Seemed once they learned enough language there were expected to take any job they could get also. Refugees especailly are grieving losses that we can't begin to comprehend never mind do not speak the language of the country or have support systems they know and trust when they finally arrive.

    The successful immigrants that I have met and have integrated well without losing their identity and heritage were usually sponsored by a family and or a church and had great supports and friendships throughout and still today from the minute they arrived.

    The migrant situation is not one that can be managed with a bandaide approach as they are doing all around the world, including Canada. To do so is a lose-lose situation for the migrants, citizens and country.

    Chaos is the name of the game it seems and what hell it is creating is heart breaking!!
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    David Icke made a fascinating point regarding Syria. Syria was a very happy, peaceful place with muslims and christians sharing holy buildings. The introduction of vast amounts of totally traumatised refugees brought in the traumatised energy and within a few years that traumatised energy had spread to the general population and civil war broke out. He thinks this was by design, and I tend to agree.

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    In Canada, with our small and aging population, it is very possible to outbreed the incumbents.

    All numbers very approximate. Just for illustrational purposes.

    Population of Canada: 35,000,000

    let's say 5,000,000 are recent immigrants and refugees

    of the remaining 30,000,000, population 15,000,000 have 1.2 children = 18,000,000

    but the newcomers have 2,500,000 * 4 children each = 10,000,000

    From these numbers it is easy to see that with just 15% of the breeding population, they contribute over 50% to the next generation. Interestingly, by the second generation this trend begins to reverse as the children of newcomers do integrate and take on the lifestyle of their peers - and their attitudes, including having less children.

    Because of the small population and the large proportion of new Canadians this is a serious concern. Especially if the newcomers remain segregated and resist assimilation.

    This was, is and will continue to be an issue in Canada.

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    Quote Posted by MorningFox (here)
    David Icke that traumatised energy had spread to the general population and civil war broke out. He thinks this was by design, and I tend to agree.
    Traumatized energy? I thought it was the US gov. Icke seems to be showing different color the past few months.

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    David Icke that traumatised energy had spread to the general population and civil war broke out. He thinks this was by design, and I tend to agree.
    Traumatized energy? I thought it was the US gov. Icke seems to be showing different color the past few months.
    People still need to be manipulated in to creating the war.

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    I did this thread only because the refugees were victims and Canada was absolutely not prepared to receive such a large number of assylum seekers. Justin Trudeau may say that everyone is welcome, but we should have been ready to receive them.

    What the MSM didnt tell us :

    A deliberate misinformation campaign over social media is being blamed for the recent flood of Haitians illegally crossing into Canada.

    Messages sent throughout the Haitian community in the U.S. reportedly told recipients that Canada was automatically accepting all Haitians. This supposed “WhatsApp hoax” even told them that Canada was paying the bill for all costs.

    link :http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7882816.html

    No wonder so many aspiring refugees have arrived on our doorstep in recent days...


    I am pleased to receive them because they all deserve their place at the Sun and I thank the authorities of my province to do the best for them.

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    It's very clear from past experience that countries receiving significantly large numbers of refugees are going to be in trouble. As much as I hate to say it. There is no right answer in how to deal with this, sadly, but history suggests that letting in a significant amount of traumatised refugees puts a country in to decline.

    Good luck.

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    MorningFox racism and bigotry are in all the world, is just that not all the people are racist or bigotor. Canada is quickly becoming like Sweden where if you speak against diversity a large portion of the country will disown you. Except that now with the migrant crisis, Swedish people are starting to see the errors they have made, now that their are migrant enclaves in places like Stockholm and cities that Swedish people (and police) don't go, like Malmo, for fear of being beaten by immigrants. I hope Justin Trudeau will take some lessons from Sweden drama. Maybe it is going to be different because we are loving and peaceful peoples over here have a look at this please : Canada's Syrian Refugees Raise Money to Help Fort McMurray Fire ...

    Just Googled it!
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    I think they are bidding on future smuggled children of those rfugees, but that is just a hunch. So many went missing before they got to Germany England and Greece the last time, to the tune of 60,000 missing supposedly in authoriy care/stolen and missing now with no answers? Organ smuggling a young healthy kidney or liver or heart, has always been at the bottom of the missing children mystery. In my book, I call them MCB's. Milk Carton Babies. That's the earliest I remember seeing them at breakfast on the back of the milk cartons. in 60's.

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    Right now at this time, I think Swedish people may be considering the drastic drop in births for EU people and the current plagues hitting them. Over in UK they have a wh/crack and heroine epidemic as well as a few immune system attacks due to round-up over the years gardening in the water and soil. The drug epidemic is tenfold the one created by the US government under Bush 1. The GOP's majority leader is bringing in the cocaine through an Asian father-in-law and now KY is as addicted as a chain smoker to cigarettes, as these politicians in bed w/the devil, make new laws to steal freedom and oppress. Create the problem among the white community and everybody suffers. Funny the one thing that weans you off the opioids, is still illegal in the some states. Pot curbs the anxiety and stomach cramping in heroine addicted people as it gives them an appetite to eat regular vitamins and foods that also help w/depression. Discussion on why you picked up, the thingy they are running from. Be it responsibility from becoming a parent too soon, and the child support people riding you like an old nag, or someone in the family raping you and the issue pushed back in the mind to shield from the pain/trauma. Lots of that has been going on and no justice for the hurt children, so they see this as the only way to deal with the pain. I got raped 3 times, no justice and fell into the crack. 8 years of hell, I'll tell you, but YashaYah aka Christ gave me back my life, by taking the "taste" out of mind, body and soul. I am 26 years clean and don't even think about stepping back in those doodoo circles of insanity, jail or death.

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    When a country takes in refugees they basically are survivalists in their own country they most often do not integrate well. A survivalist mentality is one of survival by any means and ways and in some of those seeming GOD forsaken countries, who could blame them. This is not a judgement on their culture or way of life but reality for many refugees.

    Why they don't integrate well IMO and experience is that their mindset of indoctrination cannot change without many years of support and education. Just helping someone to learn to speak english and get menial work in the end is not sufficient enough in the process of integration.

    All one has to do it look at our First Nations and the suppressive ways of integration for over 100 years. Oh yes we isolated them, took their children to educate or indoctrinate, kept reservations in deep poverty and just the basics, did not truly welcome them into society and nurture them to integration. It was basically shoved down their throats and the resistance is apparent till today and one cannot help but admire their strength and courage to hang onto their identity and heritage..

    We have learned that culture is culture and tribes (all tribes) will find ways to band together for their sense of belonging and comfort and today most, no matter the relocation or migration have maintained their culture and traditions. That is why we have places such as Little Italy, China Town, Pakistan Village, etc. in all hubs and suburbs of bigger cities.

    I have worked with many legal immigrants and their process is gruelling as although they might have a degree from their country it was not recognized here in Canada and thus many were expected to work for minimum wage of find ways to upgrade their education so that they could get degree recognition in their chosen field. I have worked with refugees from El Salvador...many were suffering from PTSD first and foremost. Seemed once they learned enough language there were expected to take any job they could get also. Refugees especailly are grieving losses that we can't begin to comprehend never mind do not speak the language of the country or have support systems they know and trust when they finally arrive.

    The successful immigrants that I have met and have integrated well without losing their identity and heritage were usually sponsored by a family and or a church and had great supports and friendships throughout and still today from the minute they arrived.

    The migrant situation is not one that can be managed with a bandaide approach as they are doing all around the world, including Canada. To do so is a lose-lose situation for the migrants, citizens and country.

    Chaos is the name of the game it seems and what hell it is creating is heart breaking!!



    Bumping this thread into 2026, where asylum immigration issues in Canada are finally being scrutinized. Not sure if Poe’s Law applies to this brief intro, I guess we’ll see.

    https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jam...as-their-peers

    Jamie Sarkonak: Non-citizens in Canadian Forces struggling to 'treat women as their peers'

    Leaked report reveals problems with literacy, competency amid permanent resident recruitment push

    Published May 01, 2026


    Quote Canada’s experiment in recruiting non-citizens to the military while lowering entrance standards has been wrought with problems, if a January internal report is anything to go by.

    Recruits have been failing at greater rates since changes to recruitment practices were made in late 2024, according to the document, which was obtained by the Post last weekend. Instructors are also having to deal with cultural clashes, illiteracy problems, and a lack of respect for female officers, among other problems.


    The document, first covered by Juno News, is under the letterhead of the Canadian Forces Leadership and Recruit School (CFLRS), which is one of the country’s centres for basic military training. On Wednesday, Department of National Defence spokesperson Commodore Pascal Belhumeur did not confirm that the Post’s copy was the same as his own version, but the contents of his copy were consistent with what was before the Post, based on our discussion.

    The report, authored by Lieutenant-Colonel Marc Kieley, describes the effects of new changes to the Canadian Armed Forces recruitment process: restrictions on candidates with certain health and mental health issues were lifted, more permanent residents were permitted to join, security screening was reduced, and the old aptitude test was dropped.

    “As a result of these changes, CFLRS is experiencing significant changes in candidates’ basic capabilities and increasing pressures on staff and instructors,” it reads.

    Permanent residents were permitted to join the armed forces in 2022, but with tight restrictions; these were loosened in 2024, yielding nearly 800 recruits in the months that followed the change. Belhumeur said that last year, 1,400 permanent residents were recruited.


    The report states that among permanent resident candidates, instructors have observed poor English and French skills, and problems getting along with women: “For many candidates it is the first time that they have lived with members of a different sex, and for some it is also the first time they have been expected to treat women as their peers.”

    “Older candidates from certain cultural backgrounds are also more likely to experience friction when responding to younger CFLRS instructors due to cultural hierarchies based on age.”

    Surveys of people in basic training included complaints of “inter-candidate cultural frustrations,” with a lack of respect for women being the leading concern.

    Belhumeur said that “that sort of behaviour is absolutely not tolerated in the Canadian Armed Forces” and that members who engage in such behaviour are removed “if it comes up.” He pointed to the higher attrition rate as a marker that these mechanisms are working properly. Language requirements have also been raised, he said.

    The overall rate of completion for basic training dropped from around 85 per cent to 77 per cent in the first three quarters of 2025, said the report. More candidates are also being ordered to repeat a course: between the fiscal years of 2018 and 2024, this was always in the single digits, ranging between four and eight per cent. In 2025, it was 15 per cent, nearly double the year prior.

    The dominant reason for re-taking courses also changed. In 2023, according to the report, 62 per cent of candidates re-taking a course did so for medical reasons; another 15 per cent had to re-take for failing practical evaluations (drills, weapons and fitness, for example), and another two per cent had to re-take for failing academic evaluations (on topics from sexual misconduct to navigation theory).

    In the 2025 fiscal year, per the report, only 45 per cent of candidates retaking courses did so for medical reasons, with 27 per cent doing so for failing practical evaluations, and seven per cent re-taking courses for academic failures.

    Some candidates “have been unable to learn basic practical skills such as drill and weapons, as well as several candidates who have been unable to read without assistance,” said the report.

    These damning numbers aren’t solely due to the non-citizen recruitment policy — the report also mentions problems with a higher number of mentally unwell recruits who signed in light of the lowered bar to entry — but it’s clearly a contributor. According to the report, 15 per cent of permanent resident candidates failed the initial fitness test; among citizen candidates (which includes freshly naturalized citizens), that number was only eight per cent.


    Among officer candidates, the report states that the basic training success rate for citizens is 85 per cent, while for permanent residents it’s 88 per cent. But other numbers should invite concern: the report stated that one early French officer platoon was 83 per cent comprised of permanent residents (Belhumeur noted that this figure actually referred to the proportion of foreign-born recruits, and that permanent residents accounted for 47 per cent).

    The report also said that non-citizen enrolment in the average French officer course is 57 per cent; among English officer platoons, permanent residents typically make up about 30 per cent, and comprise about 25 per cent of course enrolment on average.

    Another figure of concern? Some of these candidates had only been in Canada for three months, according to the report. This was corrected in February, said Belhumeur, with the imposition of a three-year residency requirement for all candidates.

    These problems seem to be worse on the French side of the military: nearly half of French permanent resident officer candidates are over age 35 (compared to 33 per cent on the English side), the report notes. In addition, an early foreign-origin-heavy French platoon was “plagued by allegations of racism from candidates against staff but equally candidates against other candidates) and constant infighting between cultural blocks within the platoon (i.e. Cameroonian candidates against those from Côte D’Ivoire).” On the English side, platoons with heavy permanent resident membership “suffered from low fitness levels.”


    It should be noted that in recent years, Canada has been bringing in French-speaking permanent residents with abysmally low scores, and that Francophone immigration initiatives have disproportionately benefited Cameroonians.

    Belhumeur said that the military is currently working on an “onboarding tool” to explain the institution’s ethos and culture to candidates.

    The report indicates that French instructors are struggling to come to terms with the changes: “On French (officer) platoons, where permanent residents have made up 50-80% of all candidates, there have been more emotional responses, with Francophone staff openly raising the question of whether it is appropriate for officer commissions to be granted to non-Canadian citizens.”

    It’s not just the French basic training instructors who should be asking this — it’s all of Canada. Keep in mind that lawful civilian gun owners are currently experiencing the largest firearms confiscation the country’s ever seen; at the same time, we’re handing military authority over to people who aren’t even citizens of Canada. It’s as if the institution whose job is to carry out the primary duty of the state — the protection of the nation — has completely forgotten a core part of its being.


    From the military’s perspective, increasing the share of foreign-born recruits is simply the right way to respond to years of sky-high immigration.

    “I think the Canadian Armed Forces that we are recruiting is a representation of Canadian society now,” Belhumeur said.

    “If you look at the number of Canadians that are foreign-born and the number of people who we’re bringing into the Canadian Armed Forces, I think we are representative of the Canadian demographic.”

    Belhumeur added that this isn’t a numbers game, that recruitment is competitive — and that the military is “proud to reflect the diversity of Canadian society.”

    Between the higher attrition rate among candidates, and the apparent increase in cultural and competency problems, the new recruitment standards have still had a net-positive impact in the eyes of the military, mainly because overall recruitment is up.

    “It’s absolutely worth it,” Belhumeur said.

    “We went from 63,000 to over 68,000 people in uniform because of the change that we’ve done, and we’ve done this in a way without dropping the training standard.”

    We may have more bodies in the barracks, but the Canadian Armed, Forces are less Canadian than they were five years ago. There will be consequences.
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