Here is my analogy of how we perceive this physical and afterlife dimensions.

[Szymon]

I'm a firm believer that those who go from here enter another dimension. The veil is pretty thin. I once received a download explaining how this and the other dimensions work. I would say it this way. Imagine you are looking at an A4 sheet of paper face-on. This would represent your ordinary 3D world. Anyone you see is represented by this A4 representation. You can interact with this person because you can see them.



Now, a person you have known has passed over to the other dimension. That person is no longer here, but in the scheme of things, they are out of phase by 90 degrees from this dimension. I remember reading the OBE trilogy by Robert Monroe, and he used the term out of phase. So the download I got was that the person who passed over is now represented by this single line (90 degrees). You can't see them anymore. Imagine rotating the piece of A4 paper by 90 degrees. All you would see now is a single thin line. They are there, but not there.



Here is the kicker. Certain people who are psychics or mediums, I'm talking about the real ones, can see both dimensions at the same time. This would be represented by this. They are out of phase and in phase, so rotate that A4 piece of paper, which now only represents a single line, by 45 degrees. Usually this would happen if a person had some sort of NDE, trauma, spiritual experience (Kundalini awakening), etc...



Do you have any other analogies or examples that might explain how these dimensions work? I would really appreciate hearing your insights on this.

Cheers,
Szymon

[Harmony]

Szymon it seems your on the right path to understanding how what we call dimentions might work. I'm not scientifically minded, but I know our minds like to make sense of many experiences that seem unexplainable in our "ordinary" life. I think our "ordinary" perspective is expanding and so will our "scientific" explanations trying to make sense of new expanded knowledge.


I do think that when our bodies "expire" in this vibrational experience our real self just goes on and feels lighter letting go of something pulling it down or keeping it in this vibraional reality we are used to in what seems like the only "time" we exist in.


There seems to be a consciousness we are connected to and it responds to each of our personal space we have here. One day after meditation I was thinking, "I think I'm ready for something more now" and immediately I felt my self (energetic self ?) slowly move as though I was lying on a surface that moved into a certain degree (angle) vertical and horizontal and then moved off at a super fast speed, then stop, do the same thing and then the fast speed 3 or 4 times. I was trying to stay nuetral and not to go into fear and then I saw that I was far out into space and looking back at a nebula. My mind started to work and I thought maybe I couldn't get back home and that little bit of fear put me right back in my body. But what might be interesting in the seemingly phase lock or degrees moving between dimensions, might relate to your question Szymon.


Its so interesting, space and time, lives, our relationship to everything continues to make life's explorations quite exciting sometimes.

[Bill Ryan]

Szymon, many thanks — good analogy, and yes, I entirely agree!

[Denise/Dizi]

I am not sure how it works, just that we most definately are living in a reality in which others MUST lay over the top, or below our reality in some way. I posted just a moment ago on premonition, but mine came from others somehow engaging me in some way from beyond the veil, perhaps when it is weakest. I wonder if they live in the same grid, houses cut out the same, etc... They see us but we do not see them... And as such, sometimes there is some possible "Bleed through" if they can communicate in ways we can understand. It may not even be family, but just another being living in that same space that sees everything we do, we just cannot perceive them. Wouldn't that be fun in some way?

I often wonder if those that we love that pass along, come to stay in places that allow them to live with us simultaniously, only we cannot perceive them. For example, once my grandmother passed, I began to have a voice either tell me something or just a "knowing" that felt out of place. Upcoming deaths, missing things, etc... Given my mother and her siblings sold the house my grandparents lived in, it would make sense that they may want to "Live" in a home where there is family they know and love, and I loved my grandparents dearly. So imagining they live in my home, only it looks differently to them, but in the same footprint, is kind of a cool thought.

[Szymon]

Thank you all for your insights. Very interesting.

Now, let's take it a step further with a hypothetical. What if, when you pass over, you automatically become psychic? For most people, who relate from a bodily perspective, it would be a wild experience to suddenly find yourself looking at your body and floating next to it, saying to yourself, " Hey, how can my body be there when I am here"? So, from their perspective, they are operating at a 45-degree angle.



They can both perceive the physical and non-physical. They can also communicate by sending thoughts to their loved ones on the physical plane and to anyone else who can receive them (psychics, mediums, etc.).

Now, what if the evolution of us (humans) is to reach the 45-degree stage, when science and spirituality meet on common ground? In the not-too-distant future, new technology may be developed, probably via a feedback loop that helps you train yourself to open up.

I'm not talking about the technology interface that the Elitists are trying to trap us in. That's a very fake narrative and a trap, and the way things are going, a lot of people might fall for it.

Maybe this new Earth is more about activating ourselves through spiritual, prayer, or devotion practices and becoming super-sensitive, not just to the physical dimension but to all dimensions and all time frames. The concept I described in my first post is a very basic analogy.

I believe that we are multidimensional and timeless beings, able to leave our bodies at will and go anywhere in the universe. I believe that we all possess these gifts, just at different stages of development. Who knows, maybe in the next 10-30 years we will be able to do this.

Reading literature by Tibetan monks, some Rimpoche (real ones) can already do this, but most keep these special gifts to themselves.

Anyway, I will leave it at that. Cheers, everyone.

[Denise/Dizi]

Once someone experiences leaving the body or having contacts with beings not from our realm, they can no longer ignore that other realms exist. It surely is a great time for someone who finds it curious but difficult if others around them are not also awakening in this way.

I hope you continue to post more!

[Szymon]

Posted by Denise/Dizi (here)
Once someone experiences leaving the body or having contacts with beings not from our realm, they can no longer ignore that other realms exist. It surely is a great time for someone who finds it curious but difficult if others around them are not also awakening in this way.

I hope you continue to post more!

I hear you. Once you start having these experiences, everything changes. Your own family looks at you like you've lost it or joined a cult. Your friends can no longer relate, so they drop off the radar. Your work colleagues don't understand you anymore, so they start attacking or gossiping behind your back.

You now have to be careful who you share your experiences with. So you put on a mask and pretend to be someone you're not. Only after asking some interesting questions do you quickly find out where you both fit in the grand scheme of things. About 95 per cent of the time, there is no fit. Even if you find someone in the 5 per cent, you realise there are still differences between you and them. So the other 4 per cent drop off. You are left with a 1 per cent chance that you may share the same or slightly different experiences. This equates to 1-3 family or friends, but they are there for life.

Thank god my wife is also fully awake like me. Sometimes we look at each other and totally understand all those interactions.

So where do you physically go to find like-minded people?

[Denise/Dizi]

Posted by Szymon (here)

Posted by Denise/Dizi (here)
Once someone experiences leaving the body or having contacts with beings not from our realm, they can no longer ignore that other realms exist. It surely is a great time for someone who finds it curious but difficult if others around them are not also awakening in this way.

I hope you continue to post more!

I hear you. Once you start having these experiences, everything changes. Your own family looks at you like you've lost it or joined a cult. Your friends can no longer relate, so they drop off the radar. Your work colleagues don't understand you anymore, so they start attacking or gossiping behind your back.

You now have to be careful who you share your experiences with. So you put on a mask and pretend to be someone you're not. Only after asking some interesting questions do you quickly find out where you both fit in the grand scheme of things. About 95 per cent of the time, there is no fit. Even if you find someone in the 5 per cent, you realise there are still differences between you and them. So the other 4 per cent drop off. You are left with a 1 per cent chance that you may share the same or slightly different experiences. This equates to 1-3 family or friends, but they are there for life.

Thank god my wife is also fully awake like me. Sometimes we look at each other and totally understand all those interactions.

So where do you physically go to find like-minded people?

For me, I do not have the answer to that question... I am okay with being alone in my awareness.. Oddly enough I told my family I was experiencing such things, and they immediately drove me to the hospital to see if I was ok. I learned quickly not to say anything to them. And at the same time I realized none of my friends were going to understand, so I keep it to myself. Perhaps selfishly... As it is amazing... I don't want anyone to spoil it with their inability to believe it is anything other than what it is.

I ended up on PA hahaha. I actually believe I found PA before I had my first signs of breaking through to this phenomenon, so I may have dropped off the site for awhile right after joining, and I had 6 solid months of interactions with the "Others".. I was fascinated.. It died out for awhile but every now and then something happens that makes me giggle.

The worst part for me was that I was told that it would be 15 years before they fully returned as they had to go somewhere. I am 11 years into the wait for the return... and have four more to go before I get to have those exchanges again. (at least at the level I was at that time, but somehow they do sneak in little inside jokes to remind me they're nearby).. oddly enough I was invited to experience it after spending a great deal of time researching such things... I was told I didn't have to if I didn't want to, but I was curious, and I am so glad I said Yes.

It does make me wonder if they experience time differently than we do however. For me it wasn't just one interaction, it was six months solid of many others revealing themselves to me, in the most fascinating ways possible. I miss them honestly... You are fortunate that your wife is awake too...

For me, there are times when someone will look at me and just know... It is a look they give me, as if they know I am keeping a secret and perhaps they are too... I literally had one woman look at me one day and she said "You know don't you?".. and I just smiled. She said it with no context, just shock. But I didn't wish to continue the conversation where I was at that time...

Like you, I also find that others also read into their experiences, their own biases.. So I don't tend to look for others like myself either, as many are not able to ground themselves into daily reality without some "complex" about them being special or being on some kick about ascension or being a lightworker. It's okay to be normal and experience unusual things.. And that's the way I like to keep myself grounded.

So I do like to find topics like this exploring reality itself, it's structure, layers, etc... I find it fascinating now.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Szymon (here)
Now, let's take it a step further with a hypothetical. What if, when you pass over, you automatically become psychic?

I'm certain that's true.

[Ewan]

Posted by Szymon (here)

I hear you. Once you start having these experiences, everything changes. Your own family looks at you like you've lost it or joined a cult. Your friends can no longer relate, so they drop off the radar. Your work colleagues don't understand you anymore, so they start attacking or gossiping behind your back.

You now have to be careful who you share your experiences with. So you put on a mask and pretend to be someone you're not. Only after asking some interesting questions do you quickly find out where you both fit in the grand scheme of things. About 95 per cent of the time, there is no fit. Even if you find someone in the 5 per cent, you realise there are still differences between you and them. So the other 4 per cent drop off. You are left with a 1 per cent chance that you may share the same or slightly different experiences. This equates to 1-3 family or friends, but they are there for life.

Thank god my wife is also fully awake like me. Sometimes we look at each other and totally understand all those interactions.

So where do you physically go to find like-minded people?

You don't go anywhere to meet anyone. It is your journey and the path is long with many a side route.

There's no such thing as a chance encounter either, if you meet a like-minded individual one of you is intended to gain some benefit. Don't be in the habit of dismissing 'almost there's' either, you may be the guide that is supposed to help them along this section of their path - that is a big responsibility imo.

Patience and knowing when to say quiet are very good skills to develop.

[Szymon]

Posted by Ewan (here)

Posted by Szymon (here)

I hear you. Once you start having these experiences, everything changes. Your own family looks at you like you've lost it or joined a cult. Your friends can no longer relate, so they drop off the radar. Your work colleagues don't understand you anymore, so they start attacking or gossiping behind your back.

You now have to be careful who you share your experiences with. So you put on a mask and pretend to be someone you're not. Only after asking some interesting questions do you quickly find out where you both fit in the grand scheme of things. About 95 per cent of the time, there is no fit. Even if you find someone in the 5 per cent, you realise there are still differences between you and them. So the other 4 per cent drop off. You are left with a 1 per cent chance that you may share the same or slightly different experiences. This equates to 1-3 family or friends, but they are there for life.

Thank god my wife is also fully awake like me. Sometimes we look at each other and totally understand all those interactions.

So where do you physically go to find like-minded people?

You don't go anywhere to meet anyone. It is your journey and the path is long with many a side route.

There's no such thing as a chance encounter either, if you meet a like-minded individual one of you is intended to gain some benefit. Don't be in the habit of dismissing 'almost there's' either, you may be the guide that is supposed to help them along this section of their path - that is a big responsibility imo.

Patience and knowing when to say quiet are very good skills to develop.

Thanks for your feedback, everyone.

The places where I found at least some commonality among people are the Mantra room. You might see me there on Fridays.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=p7Av7KhD4-M

Here you can see us chanting away, which is really good for the throat chakra. That's exactly what they do there. They just chant, and everyone comes and joins in. It's a very loose, friendly atmosphere, and most of the time they feed you, too. So maybe there is one nearby, and you will meet interesting people.

The other place is the local Spiritualist Church. Imagine walking into a whole room full of psychics/mediums and healers, and people in need of connection to the other side. I was so surprised to meet two other amateur radio operators at my local spiritualist church. If you know amateur radio, it usually does not go with this topic.

If you know of other places where you found interesting people like here, let me know.


On another note, special thanks to Bill Ryan, the mods, and everyone involved for keeping the Project Avalon community/forum up and running over the years. There is definitely a lot of work involved, and those back channels do get busy.