Fasting according to the Quran

[Eagle Eye]

[2 : 183] O you who have believed, decreed upon you is fasting as it was decreed upon those before you that you may become righteous -
[2 : 184] A limited number of days. So whoever among you is ill or on a journey - then an equal number of days. And upon those who are able - a ransom of feeding a poor person. And whoever volunteers excess - it is better for him. But to fast is best for you, if you only knew.

[2 : 185] The month of Ramadhan in which was revealed the Qur'an, a guidance for the people and clear proofs of guidance and criterion. So whoever sights the month, let him fast it; and whoever is ill or on a journey - then an equal number of other days. Allah intends for you ease and does not intend for you hardship and for you to complete the period and to glorify Allah for that which He has guided you; and perhaps you will be grateful.

[2: 187] It has been made permissible for you the night preceding fasting to go to your wives. They are cover for you and you are cover for them. Allah knows that you used to deceive yourselves, so He accepted your repentance and forgave you. So now, have relations with them and seek that which Allah has decreed for you. And eat and drink until the white thread of dawn becomes distinct to you from the black thread. Then complete the fast until evening. And do not have relations with them as long as you are staying for worship in the mosques. These are the limits (set by) Allah , so do not approach them. Thus does Allah make clear His ordinances to the people that they may become righteous.

[Johnnycomelately]

Do you practice Ramadhan?

Posted by Eagle Eye (here)
[2 : 183] O you who have believed, decreed upon you is fasting as it was decreed upon those before you that you may become righteous -
[2 : 184] A limited number of days. So whoever among you is ill or on a journey - then an equal number of days. And upon those who are able - a ransom of feeding a poor person. And whoever volunteers excess - it is better for him. But to fast is best for you, if you only knew.

[2 : 185] The month of Ramadhan in which was revealed the Qur'an, a guidance for the people and clear proofs of guidance and criterion. So whoever sights the month, let him fast it; and whoever is ill or on a journey - then an equal number of other days. Allah intends for you ease and does not intend for you hardship and for you to complete the period and to glorify Allah for that which He has guided you; and perhaps you will be grateful.

[2: 187] It has been made permissible for you the night preceding fasting to go to your wives. They are cover for you and you are cover for them. Allah knows that you used to deceive yourselves, so He accepted your repentance and forgave you. So now, have relations with them and seek that which Allah has decreed for you. And eat and drink until the white thread of dawn becomes distinct to you from the black thread. Then complete the fast until evening. And do not have relations with them as long as you are staying for worship in the mosques. These are the limits (set by) Allah , so do not approach them. Thus does Allah make clear His ordinances to the people that they may become righteous.

[Eagle Eye]

Posted by Johnnycomelately (here)
Do you practice Ramadan?

Ramadan is called the month and moves 11 days a year according to lunar year.
Yes, I practice fasting every year in that month.

[CurEus]

The Catholic fasting tradition is called the Black Fast, similar to Ramadam but during Lent



https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02590c.htm

[DeDukshyn]

 
I'm not religious at all, but I have recently chosen to start fasting three days, at a specific point in every moon cycle (roughly once a month). Not just abstaining from food, but abstaining from any indulgences - food (other than water, and maybe some simple basics like bread), sex/masturbation, alcohol, etc. I also will fast against any strong emotions, and meditate often during these three days and focus on my breath, and maintaining three attitudes - appreciation, gratitude, and praise.

The reasoning for doing this at a very specific time, is, I have come across some very interesting esoteric knowledge that explains how this might be used to promote the physical body and the mind to much higher levels than what we currently understand. Interestingly, this information is coded in the scriptures of the abrahamic religions, in 'Jesus' teachings and in some of the great stories and cultural beliefs we have as well as some of our grandest art from through the ages.

I haven't started yet but will this month. If anything interesting comes of it, I'll write more on the topic on the forum.

All that said, there's also a general physical health benefit to regular fasting - it causes your body to change its genetic expression, and puts it into a state of self preservation where it will begin to heal disease and inflammation, require less food to maintain health, and make your cells more youthful. This has been more or less scientifically proven.

[Strat]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
Interestingly, this information is coded in the scriptures of the abrahamic religions, in 'Jesus' teachings and in some of the great stories and cultural beliefs we have as well as some of our grandest art from through the ages.

These topics are fascinating to me, where can I read more about this?

I'm a big fan of fasting as well.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Strat (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
Interestingly, this information is coded in the scriptures of the abrahamic religions, in 'Jesus' teachings and in some of the great stories and cultural beliefs we have as well as some of our grandest art from through the ages.

These topics are fascinating to me, where can I read more about this?

I'm a big fan of fasting as well.

Here's two books - they are more expansive than just the topic at hand, but contain relevant information within. I do gather that you are a Christian, and while these books do refer heavily to the scriptures, they often do not reflect the modern religion's interpretations - just a fair warning, read with an open mind and heart


"God Man: The Word Made Flesh"
https://ia600202.us.archive.org/9/it...00carerich.pdf


"The Occult Anatomy of Man"
https://ia903108.us.archive.org/25/i...omy_of_man.pdf

[Strat]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by Strat (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
Interestingly, this information is coded in the scriptures of the abrahamic religions, in 'Jesus' teachings and in some of the great stories and cultural beliefs we have as well as some of our grandest art from through the ages.

These topics are fascinating to me, where can I read more about this?

I'm a big fan of fasting as well.

Here's two books - they are more expansive than just the topic at hand, but contain relevant information within. I do gather that you are a Christian, and while these books do refer heavily to the scriptures, they often do not reflect the modern religion's interpretations - just a fair warning, read with an open mind and heart


"God Man: The Word Made Flesh"
https://ia600202.us.archive.org/9/it...00carerich.pdf


"The Occult Anatomy of Man"
https://ia903108.us.archive.org/25/i...omy_of_man.pdf

Thanks!

Why do you say I'm Christian lol?

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Strat (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by Strat (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
Interestingly, this information is coded in the scriptures of the abrahamic religions, in 'Jesus' teachings and in some of the great stories and cultural beliefs we have as well as some of our grandest art from through the ages.

These topics are fascinating to me, where can I read more about this?

I'm a big fan of fasting as well.

Here's two books - they are more expansive than just the topic at hand, but contain relevant information within. I do gather that you are a Christian, and while these books do refer heavily to the scriptures, they often do not reflect the modern religion's interpretations - just a fair warning, read with an open mind and heart


"God Man: The Word Made Flesh"
https://ia600202.us.archive.org/9/it...00carerich.pdf


"The Occult Anatomy of Man"
https://ia903108.us.archive.org/25/i...omy_of_man.pdf

Thanks!

Why do you say I'm Christian lol?

I just got that impression somewhere a while a back, pardon me if I got that wrong.

Also I don't think there's too much specifically on fasting in those two books, but more about treating your body like a sacred temple for 2.5 days every month when the moon is in your birth sign. Abstaining from all worldly indulgences during this time is important.

I can attest that there is an influence on your body during that period as I am sensitive enough to feel it easily. I used to think I was sensitive to a full moon, because when I first started noticing it, the full moon was in my sun sign, and it takes a couple months to completely drift away. I started paying attention again more recently, and noticed this influence was closer to the new moon, so that prompted me to do some research and figure out what was going on. The answer was in these books.

[Strat]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
I just got that impression somewhere a while a back, pardon me if I got that wrong.

No worries, I was just curious. And I can see why one might think that, I often say 'God bless' and I do enjoy reading the Abrahamic texts.

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
Also I don't think there's too much specifically on fasting in those two books, but more about treating your body like a sacred temple for 2.5 days every month when the moon is in your birth sign. Abstaining from all worldly indulgences during this time is important.

I can attest that there is an influence on your body during that period as I am sensitive enough to feel it easily. I used to think I was sensitive to a full moon, because when I first started noticing it, the full moon was in my sun sign, and it takes a couple months to completely drift away. I started paying attention again more recently, and noticed this influence was closer to the new moon, so that prompted me to do some research and figure out what was going on. The answer was in these books.

That sounds great, like a 'reset button.' So dumb question: this has some degree of its roots in astrology?

[Hym]

Slowing. I call it Slowing.
Slowing down the mind. Relaxing enough to regain bodily consciousness
In its service to the Soul.
Going deeper with the breathing, any breathing,
That takes us into awakened dimensions
Unique to each of us.

What's the concept there with "Fasting"?
Hurrying up to get to the place of Slowing down?
Ahh....I finally made it back home...Now I can relax and Slow the Roll...
I'm not the first, I would guess, to call the entirety of language
Nothing but a giant contradiction.

The practice of fasting is everywhere in spiritual living and the experiences are well worth having a go at it, especially when exploring your personal relationship with one or more paths, the ones incorrectly called religions.

I have a practicing muslim friend, an elderly american, who told me about his first experiences of praying during his preparations for Ramadan. I think it was about his travel to Mecca the first time.

During his first fasting WHILE PRAYING experience he found himself going down into a lower room, a cellar, where he encountered soldiers who appeared to be from centuries before. He could see them, hear them, but they could not see or hear him. He, by that time, understood the language, at least some of it, and was elated that he was somehow, thru the power of his discipline in fasting and his ability to correctly speak in the original language, transported into an experience of the real past.

The next year, with his efforts to be more mentally disciplined, in what I would see as a further understanding of restraining his emotional connections to surface stimulii, he told me of a very different experience.

He found himself in the same recognizable cellar, but this time he was hearing himself walking down the steps and recognizing that the warriors in the room also were aware of his presence. This time the warriors, with only a few differences in their appearances, yet with the same speech, the same language, were startled by his sudden appearance in the cellar. They yelled "Djinn ! Djinn !" directly at him, which in turn startled him back in to the room and into the present time where he had begun his prayers.

I know he wasn't a dark spirit, like the word Jinn denotes, and I do know if the warriors were more relaxed and in the same frame of mind that my friend was in, there may well have been a very different exchange, an exchange that seemed to cross the barriers of time and space. I see my friends ability to concentrate as a thoroughly worthwhile experience, even as it turned out to be one that he may have thereafter avoided.

I haven't seen him since, so the rest of his experience i may never know.
There are endless accounts of the helpful experiences found in fasting.
I would CAUTION anyone beginning this very healthy practice to take it slowly, much like the astute way in which Ramadan is lived, a practice that we see as intermittent fasting. As long as the practitioner is aware that shedding lack of control of our habits, through any discipline, is most valuable to our well being when we shed our attachments to ego.....That reminds me....My writing is a buzzkill at times...Thank goodness that writing is a short lived exercise...

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Strat (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
I just got that impression somewhere a while a back, pardon me if I got that wrong.

No worries, I was just curious. And I can see why one might think that, I often say 'God bless' and I do enjoy reading the Abrahamic texts.

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
Also I don't think there's too much specifically on fasting in those two books, but more about treating your body like a sacred temple for 2.5 days every month when the moon is in your birth sign. Abstaining from all worldly indulgences during this time is important.

I can attest that there is an influence on your body during that period as I am sensitive enough to feel it easily. I used to think I was sensitive to a full moon, because when I first started noticing it, the full moon was in my sun sign, and it takes a couple months to completely drift away. I started paying attention again more recently, and noticed this influence was closer to the new moon, so that prompted me to do some research and figure out what was going on. The answer was in these books.

That sounds great, like a 'reset button.' So dumb question: this has some degree of its roots in astrology?

It does have some relationship to astrology ... and now given what I have experienced, and read recently, I am wondering how much of astrology was actually aligned with Christ's teachings, and the older religions, and I also wonder how much of it was corrupted through the ages, most specifically by emperor Constantine, as he also sought to corrupt the teachings about Christ in creating Christianity the way he did.

Astrology definitely has strong roots in something real - even just considering how the earth's precession is measured by alignments to the astrological constellations, dividing time of the cycle into 12 units, we also divide years and days into 12 units - so the roots of astrology are in everything around us - even consider that we have a center in the body we medically refer to as the "solar plexus" - ever wonder why it has that name? This is referred to in the books I posted.

I am in the process of trying to find original teachings and meanings to these things before the corruption took too much hold - you will notice the books I posted are quite old - I am finding more interesting works in he 50-200 year old range these days.

[Wind]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
It does have some relationship to astrology ... and now given what I have experienced, and read recently, I am wondering how much of astrology was actually aligned with Christ's teachings, and the older religions, and I also wonder how much of it was corrupted through the ages, most specifically by emperor Constantine, as he also sought to corrupt the teachings about Christ in creating Christianity the way he did.

Astrology definitely has strong roots in something real - even just considering how the earth's precession is measured by alignments to the astrological constellations, dividing time of the cycle into 12 units, we also divide years and days into 12 units - so the roots of astrology are in everything around us - even consider that we have a center in the body we medically refer to as the "solar plexus" - ever wonder why it has that name? This is referred to in the books I posted.

I would suggest to read what Paracelsus wrote about healing and the astrogical effets of planets in relation to us.

"Fasting is the greatest remedy – the physician within.”

"Medicine rests upon four pillars—philosophy, astronomy, alchemy, and ethics. The first pillar is the philosophical knowledge of earth and water; the second, astronomy, supplies its full understanding of that which is of fiery and airy nature; the third is an adequate explanation of the properties of all the four elements—that is to say, of the whole cosmos—and an introduction into the art of their transformations; and finally, the fourth shows the physician those virtues which must stay with him up until his death, and it should support and complete the three other pillars."

~ Paracelsus

[Strat]

Posted by Wind (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
It does have some relationship to astrology ... and now given what I have experienced, and read recently, I am wondering how much of astrology was actually aligned with Christ's teachings, and the older religions, and I also wonder how much of it was corrupted through the ages, most specifically by emperor Constantine, as he also sought to corrupt the teachings about Christ in creating Christianity the way he did.

Astrology definitely has strong roots in something real - even just considering how the earth's precession is measured by alignments to the astrological constellations, dividing time of the cycle into 12 units, we also divide years and days into 12 units - so the roots of astrology are in everything around us - even consider that we have a center in the body we medically refer to as the "solar plexus" - ever wonder why it has that name? This is referred to in the books I posted.

I would suggest to read what Paracelsus wrote about healing and the astrogical effets of planets in relation to us.

"Fasting is the greatest remedy – the physician within.”

"Medicine rests upon four pillars—philosophy, astronomy, alchemy, and ethics. The first pillar is the philosophical knowledge of earth and water; the second, astronomy, supplies its full understanding of that which is of fiery and airy nature; the third is an adequate explanation of the properties of all the four elements—that is to say, of the whole cosmos—and an introduction into the art of their transformations; and finally, the fourth shows the physician those virtues which must stay with him up until his death, and it should support and complete the three other pillars."

~ Paracelsus

Don't quote me on this, but fasting may have cured my cluster headaches. I tried it after watching an interview with Georges St Pierre where he mentioned fasting under the supervision of Dr. Jason Fung. He was having health issues and it helped him a lot. I read Dr Fung's book and tried it. That was a couple years ago and I haven't had a headache since. I used to have several cluster periods per year since I was 16.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=FcqxJ7r-e9I

[petra]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
 
I'm not religious at all, but I have recently chosen to start fasting three days, at a specific point in every moon cycle (roughly once a month). Not just abstaining from food, but abstaining from any indulgences - food (other than water, and maybe some simple basics like bread), sex/masturbation, alcohol, etc. I also will fast against any strong emotions, and meditate often during these three days and focus on my breath, and maintaining three attitudes - appreciation, gratitude, and praise.

The reasoning for doing this at a very specific time, is, I have come across some very interesting esoteric knowledge that explains how this might be used to promote the physical body and the mind to much higher levels than what we currently understand. Interestingly, this information is coded in the scriptures of the abrahamic religions, in 'Jesus' teachings and in some of the great stories and cultural beliefs we have as well as some of our grandest art from through the ages.

I haven't started yet but will this month. If anything interesting comes of it, I'll write more on the topic on the forum.

All that said, there's also a general physical health benefit to regular fasting - it causes your body to change its genetic expression, and puts it into a state of self preservation where it will begin to heal disease and inflammation, require less food to maintain health, and make your cells more youthful. This has been more or less scientifically proven.

I'm not religious any more either and it feels like I am fasting a lot of the time. It's just hard to get myself to eat, at first I thought it was stress but really I am only a tiny person and don't need much food.

You have a lot of good points here. I never get sick, unless you count the psychosis!

Meditation is something I have been working on. I was never able to "quiet my thoughts" before but I am starting to be able to.

I never drink alcohol, but I can see how abstaining from masturbation is important as well.

I really think I'm going to have to read the Quran at some point because from what I have gleaned so far, there is some very important information in there I need to read. I'll skip the parts about praying though I think. It kind of makes me mad that Muslims need to pray so much. That really should not be necessary imo.

[sdv]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
 
I'm not religious at all, but I have recently chosen to start fasting three days, at a specific point in every moon cycle (roughly once a month). Not just abstaining from food, but abstaining from any indulgences - food (other than water, and maybe some simple basics like bread), sex/masturbation, alcohol, etc. I also will fast against any strong emotions, and meditate often during these three days and focus on my breath, and maintaining three attitudes - appreciation, gratitude, and praise.

The reasoning for doing this at a very specific time, is, I have come across some very interesting esoteric knowledge that explains how this might be used to promote the physical body and the mind to much higher levels than what we currently understand. Interestingly, this information is coded in the scriptures of the abrahamic religions, in 'Jesus' teachings and in some of the great stories and cultural beliefs we have as well as some of our grandest art from through the ages.

I haven't started yet but will this month. If anything interesting comes of it, I'll write more on the topic on the forum.

All that said, there's also a general physical health benefit to regular fasting - it causes your body to change its genetic expression, and puts it into a state of self preservation where it will begin to heal disease and inflammation, require less food to maintain health, and make your cells more youthful. This has been more or less scientifically proven.

Could you elaborate on when the three days are in the moon cycle? Is that specific time a personal choice or a general rule?

[petra]

I'm curious about the moon cycle too. I wonder where it would fall within this chart https://montalk.net/moon/

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by sdv (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
 
I'm not religious at all, but I have recently chosen to start fasting three days, at a specific point in every moon cycle (roughly once a month). Not just abstaining from food, but abstaining from any indulgences - food (other than water, and maybe some simple basics like bread), sex/masturbation, alcohol, etc. I also will fast against any strong emotions, and meditate often during these three days and focus on my breath, and maintaining three attitudes - appreciation, gratitude, and praise.

The reasoning for doing this at a very specific time, is, I have come across some very interesting esoteric knowledge that explains how this might be used to promote the physical body and the mind to much higher levels than what we currently understand. Interestingly, this information is coded in the scriptures of the abrahamic religions, in 'Jesus' teachings and in some of the great stories and cultural beliefs we have as well as some of our grandest art from through the ages.

I haven't started yet but will this month. If anything interesting comes of it, I'll write more on the topic on the forum.

All that said, there's also a general physical health benefit to regular fasting - it causes your body to change its genetic expression, and puts it into a state of self preservation where it will begin to heal disease and inflammation, require less food to maintain health, and make your cells more youthful. This has been more or less scientifically proven.

Could you elaborate on when the three days are in the moon cycle? Is that specific time a personal choice or a general rule?

Well that was an old post - I hardly remember that (memory hasn't been great). Needless to stay I didn't follow through well with my intentions on that, but this coming up again is likely a synchronistic reminder for me ... so thanks to you and Petra for that.

I can't recall exactly which phase I was intending to use - but it was either full or new moon - most likely full. For me, the moon phase energy is often quite noticeable - particularly the build up to a full moon, then immediately after the full moon ends I feel a switch in myself that releases pent up creative energies (which includes sexual energy as that is a creative energy).

My libido definitely rises with the waxing moon - signalling to me that I need more creative and physical output. During the waning phase, it seems more beneficial to me as a time for reflection, relaxation, learning and meditiation. Basically waxing for outward expression, waning for inward expression. This is reflected in some esoteric texts I have read as well.

IIRC, the idea was to fast and meditate during the full moon phase (one day before, one during, and one after), to process the pent up energies and prepare my body for the energetic "reset" I get after the full moon.

So to answer your second question - it was a personal choice, but guided by some knowledge. Some traditions prefer both, some full, some new moon. Full helps facilitate the shift from outward to inward, and new helps facilitate the shift from inward to outward. If you want to try both, you could reduce the fast to one or two days - three days is a bit rough for some people, but I think two is needed for getting that gene expression shift in the DNA.

Hope that helps!

[petra]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by sdv (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
 
I'm not religious at all, but I have recently chosen to start fasting three days, at a specific point in every moon cycle (roughly once a month). Not just abstaining from food, but abstaining from any indulgences - food (other than water, and maybe some simple basics like bread), sex/masturbation, alcohol, etc. I also will fast against any strong emotions, and meditate often during these three days and focus on my breath, and maintaining three attitudes - appreciation, gratitude, and praise.

The reasoning for doing this at a very specific time, is, I have come across some very interesting esoteric knowledge that explains how this might be used to promote the physical body and the mind to much higher levels than what we currently understand. Interestingly, this information is coded in the scriptures of the abrahamic religions, in 'Jesus' teachings and in some of the great stories and cultural beliefs we have as well as some of our grandest art from through the ages.

I haven't started yet but will this month. If anything interesting comes of it, I'll write more on the topic on the forum.

All that said, there's also a general physical health benefit to regular fasting - it causes your body to change its genetic expression, and puts it into a state of self preservation where it will begin to heal disease and inflammation, require less food to maintain health, and make your cells more youthful. This has been more or less scientifically proven.

Could you elaborate on when the three days are in the moon cycle? Is that specific time a personal choice or a general rule?

Well that was an old post - I hardly remember that (memory hasn't been great). Needless to stay I didn't follow through well with my intentions on that, but this coming up again is likely a synchronistic reminder for me ... so thanks to you and Petra for that.

I can't recall exactly which phase I was intending to use - but it was either full or new moon - most likely full. For me, the moon phase energy is often quite noticeable - particularly the build up to a full moon, then immediately after the full moon ends I feel a switch in myself that releases pent up creative energies (which includes sexual energy as that is a creative energy).

My libido definitely rises with the waxing moon - signalling to me that I need more creative and physical output. During the waning phase, it seems more beneficial to me as a time for reflection, relaxation, learning and meditiation. Basically waxing for outward expression, waning for inward expression. This is reflected in some esoteric texts I have read as well.

IIRC, the idea was to fast and meditate during the full moon phase (one day before, one during, and one after), to process the pent up energies and prepare my body for the energetic "reset" I get after the full moon.

So to answer your second question - it was a personal choice, but guided by some knowledge. Some traditions prefer both, some full, some new moon. Full helps facilitate the shift from outward to inward, and new helps facilitate the shift from inward to outward. If you want to try both, you could reduce the fast to one or two days - three days is a bit rough for some people, but I think two is needed for getting that gene expression shift in the DNA.

Hope that helps!

Very interesting yes that helps immensely!

Being female I also have other cycles to contend with too so it's getting complicated over here

[sdv]

Thanks, your answer was very helpful.