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    Default Re: 9/11: Truth Still Matters, Over 20 Years Later

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    Anybody here that has seen the "Operation Terror" movie? It's a fictional account of what many believe really happened on 9/11.
    Here's the website: https://operationterror.com/

    Any chance this movie is in the Project Avalon library?
    Ah, great question, and alas not. I'm just having a dig around to see if I can get a copy. By the way, that website link throws up a message that states the video "does not exist" there anymore. Apparently it was made in 2012 and is the first time I've heard of it!
    I searched just now, and found this link to the movie "Operation Terror". Will it work on here? We'll see.
    https://watch.plex.tv/watch/movie/op...1e2&autoplay=1
    Well done - great catch! I can't download this but it does appear to be streaming quite smoothly
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    Default Re: 9/11: Truth Still Matters, Over 20 Years Later

    Chris Martenson: "It's just a complete coincidence that the DOJ has completely withheld all the Epstein documents immediately before, during, and after 9/11, right?"


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    Default Re: 9/11: Truth Still Matters, Over 20 Years Later

    Cold Fusion technology was used to take down the twin towers.

    Steven Jones, the same guy who was behind the cover up of Flieshman Pons cold fusion success in the late 1980's is the guy who came up with the "Controlled Demolition" Psyop involving thermite.

    Same exact guy over a decade later, covering up cold fusion yet again.
    Judy Wood mentions this a few times in her speeches, and her entire theory centers around directed energy weapons.


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    I just saw in the video below the street addresses of neighbours Jeffrey Epstein and Lutnik: Epstein is at #9, and Lutnik is at #11. In other words, 9& 11. What are the odds?

    At 2:15 in this video, notice the smirk by a younger Lutnik as he described the hundreds of deaths of his employees on 9/11. Who else has heard about 'Duper's delight'?

    "In this episode of 51/49, James investigates the staggering series of "coincidences" surrounding Secretary of Commerce Howard Lutnick and the events of that fateful September morning 25 years ago, revealing a deeply concerning pattern of missing records, massive insurance payouts, and documented ties to Jeffrey Epstein that challenge the official narrative of one of Wall Street’s most powerful figures."

    This video might get me banned.

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    https://ic911.org/news/breakthrough-...-9-11-inquest/

    Breakthrough: UK Supreme Court to hear Matt Campbell’s case challenging AG’s refusal to allow new 9/11 inquest
    Matt’s relentless pursuit of truth and justice has reached this pivotal stage thanks to the extraordinary support of the public and the undeniable strength of his case.


    By International Center for 9/11 Justice | November 22, 2025

    June 2026 Updates:
    • Matt Campbell’s UK Supreme Court hearing has been scheduled for October 14 and 15 of this year.
    • Matt and his family are currently doing a crowdfunder to raise the final £125,000 needed by July 31 for their legal fees. Support is urgently needed. Please donate.
    • Pink Floyd co-founder Roger Waters has donated to and publicly endorsed the Campbells’ effort and is urging the public to support them.
    • The UK Constitutional Law Association has published two articles, one by Conor McCormick and one by Dane Luo, essentially agreeing with the Campbells’ claim that the attorney general’s decisions under the UK Coroners Act should be judicially reviewable.
    • We are beyond thrilled to announce that the UK Supreme Court has agreed to hear the appeal in the case brought by Matt Campbell challenging the British attorney general’s refusal to allow a new inquest into the death of his brother Geoff on September 11, 2001.

    Matt’s relentless pursuit of truth and justice has reached this pivotal stage — equivalent to going before the US Supreme Court — thanks to the extraordinary support of the public and the undeniable strength of his case.

    Further details will be shared soon. In the meantime, we encourage everyone to watch (or re-watch) Matt’s powerful speech at the Turning the Tide conference, which concisely outlines the history of the case and explains what will be argued before the Supreme Court.

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    The only method I can see bringing down the towers on 911, is a previously unknown nuclear technology.
    Christopher Bollyn traced the nano thermite to Dimona, because it had particles 30,000 times smaller than standard thermite it would burn far quicker. AI said 20 times faster untill my query became more specific, when it said 1000 times faster.
    I suspect that it's combustion would be faster still, I think that they had surrounded single atoms of fissionable material with this material, and created very intense shockwaves that were able to split them.
    If they sprayed this material by removing suspended ceilings, onto the underside of the floors, then that would produce the effect witnessed on 911.
    Because the intensity of an explosion decreases exponentially with distance, having the explosive so close to the structure, would allow just grammes of fissionable material to bring down the towers.
    Thorium could have been used, because this method would overcome the elements inability to produce a chain reaction, as it has a half life of just 48 hrs, the radioactive signature would fade very quickly.
    The firefighters have frequently died of disease associated with radioactivity, and although use of nukes has been posited, the lack of huge booms and light flashes argue against standard mini nukes being used.
    The sound of surf is actually the accumulation of billions of very tiny but massively intense energetic events as bubbles collapse, there was a surf like sound as the towers fell.
    If this technology is possible, it would be hugely desirable for a military, to perform covert demolition of military and other infrastructure.
    If anyone could point to a credible assessment of the combustion speed of the actual nano thermite found at ground zero (the name of the nuclear test site) I would be very interested.

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    In the James Li video when Ludnic talks about the insurance company doubling the payout, which he helped himself to, he refers to his employees as "my victims", and looks suitably stressed by the slip.

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    Another piece of the puzzle, here, from former FSB director Nikolai Patrushev, in Russian, but Brian Macdonald has provided a helpful partial transcript and summary, concerning Osama Bin Laden's real role long ago suspected by independent researchers, and this is effectively a confirmation:

    Source: https://x.com/BrianMcDonaldIE/status...57089888739385
    Huge claim from former FSB director Nikolai Patrushev, who says that Osama bin Laden was a US “agent” and was later eliminated only when he began compromising American intelligence services.

    He says Russia once helped the CIA locate Osama bin Laden and that the US then refused to strike him.

    Patrushev adds that the presidents of Russia and the US [presumably Putin and George W Bush, given he headed the FSBfrom 1999-2008] had agreed an operation to “eliminate” bin Laden, with roles assigned to both services: “On one side, the CIA, on the other, the FSB.”

    According to him, the Americans asked Russia to place a beacon at bin Laden’s location because “they were sure we couldn’t carry it out, [but] we carried it out,” Patrushev said.

    “We completed the assignment,” Patrushev claims. “We installed the beacon they gave us and said, please, you can verify it.”

    He says Moscow told the US bin Laden would remain at that location for three months.

    “They didn't dare. They didn't strike.”

    Patrushev says he later confronted CIA director George Tenet: “You asked us. We didn't ask you. And you did nothing.”

    Then comes the real kicker from Patrushev: “We know that he was their agent, they used him for as long as it suited them. Then, when he became a liability, they eliminated him, as we all saw on screen.”


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    And of course there's London - there's always London.

    When Bin Laden set up a base in London

    Link: Declassified UK
    Author: Mark Curtis
    Date: July 29th, 2024
    Thirty years ago this month, Al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden established an office in a house in Kilburn, west London.

    Seven years before 9/11, Bin Laden’s so-called Advice and Reformation Committee (ARC) was equipped with a bank of fax machines and computers which churned out dozens of pamphlets and communiqués.

    The ARC lambasted the lavishness of the ruling family in Bin Laden’s native Saudi Arabia and its waywardness in promoting sharia law in the country, as well as calling for a break-up of the Saudi state.

    But the purpose of the ARC went further.

    US court documents noted it was “designed both to publicise Bin Laden’s statements and to provide cover for activity in support for Al Qaeda’s ‘military’ activities, including the recruitment of trainees, the disbursement of funds and the procurement of equipment and services.”

    The London office also served as a communication centre for reports on military and security matters from various Al-Qaeda cells to its leadership.

    A US Congressional research service report, released just after the September 11th attacks in 2001, asserted that Bin Laden even visited London in 1994 and stayed for a few months in Wembley to form the ARC, although this was never proven.

    Whatever the truth of that claim, Bin Laden’s telephone billing records from 1996–8 show that nearly a fifth of his calls, 238 out of 1,100 – the largest single number – were made to London, showing the importance of this base.

    It was the ARC that arranged a meeting between Bin Laden and a number of CNN journalists in March 1997.

    Embassy bombings
    The ARC’s staff included two members of the terrorist organisation Egyptian Islamic Jihad (EIJ) whose leader was Ayman al-Zawahiri, Bin Laden’s right-hand man.

    One of the two EIJ figures was Adel Abdel Bary who, before arriving in Britain, was alleged by the US authorities to have managed Al-Qaeda training camps and guest houses. He was, however, granted asylum in the UK in 1993.

    After working for Bin Laden in London, Abdel Bary was in 1998 arrested in Britain for his involvement in Al-Qaeda’s bombings of the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in August 1998. The simultaneous blasts killed over 200 people.

    He was eventually extradited to the US and jailed for 25 years.

    Also arrested for his role in the bombings was the second EIJ figure in Bin Laden’s London office. This was Ibrahim Eidarous, who is alleged to have organised the EIJ’s cell in Azerbaijan in 1995 before coming to London in 1997. While in Britain, he was also granted political asylum.

    On the day of the East Africa bombings, both men disseminated the claims of responsibility through faxes to the media.

    Lawyers for the two men denied they had advance knowledge of the bombings but an MI5 officer, later giving evidence to an immigration appeal, stated that the faxes were actually sent before the bombings took place.

    Source of intelligence

    The head of Bin Laden’s ARC was the Saudi dissident Khaled Al-Fawwaz, who was also arrested by British police in September 1998 for his involvement in the East Africa bombings the previous month.

    Until this point the British authorities had allowed Al-Fawwaz and the ARC to operate openly for four years.

    The US indictment against Al-Fawwaz alleged that he provided Bin Laden with “various means of communications” including a satellite telephone to speak to Al-Qaeda cells, and that he visited Nairobi in 1993 and established a residence there for Abu Ubaidah, one of Al-Qaeda’s military commanders.

    The evidence suggests that the ARC’s activities were initially tolerated by the British, who may have seen them as a useful source of intelligence.

    Al-Fawwaz’s lawyers said he was in regular contact with MI5 from the time he came to Britain in 1994 until his arrest four years later. His meetings often lasted for three or more hours while his phone was probably tapped and his correspondence intercepted.

    The BBC’s Frank Gardner wrote: “MI5 appeared to be hoping that Mr al-Fawwaz would provide them with an insight into Islamist extremists living in Britain. Mr al-Fawwaz was under the impression that his contacts with the Security Service would keep him out of trouble.”

    Yet Al-Fawwaz was eventually extradited from the UK to the US in 2012 and convicted in 2015 of involvement in the embassy bombings.

    Alternative leaders

    What may throw further light on the British authorities’ strategy at the time is the case of another Saudi dissident in London, who was not connected to the ARC.

    Saad Al-Faqih was a former professor of surgery in Saudi Arabia who had lent his medical expertise to the anti-Soviet jihad in Afghanistan in the 1980s.

    He fled Saudi Arabia in 1994 and set up another opposition group to the regime, the Movement for Islamic Reform in Arabia (MIRA), in London in 1996 and was given political asylum.

    Al-Faqih said he maintained “high-level contacts” with the British intelligence services and gave them advice about Saudi Arabia.

    But the British secret services may have seen the ARC and other groups as providing more than just intelligence.

    Asked in an interview in 2003 about living in the UK, Al-Faqih replied that the British “have discovered that betting on strategic relations with the [Saudi] regime is dangerous. It is better to have relations with the people and I assume they know how much public support we have.”

    Al-Faqih also said that “the British are shrewd enough to know that the Saudi regime is doomed and they want to be in a position to deal with alternative leaders.”

    It is credible that Britain may have been attempting to cultivate relations with future policy-makers in the country by tolerating these opposition groups.

    While Britain has long shored up the feudal rulers of Saudi Arabia, the long-term stability of the regime has equally long been questioned. Opposition groups could act as a kind of proxy force for Whitehall in the event of upheaval in the Saudi kingdom.

    Faxing Jihad

    The London base allowed Bin Laden to motivate his supporters around the world. The perpetrators of the 1995 bomb attacks in Saudi Arabia, for example, had read Bin Laden’s writings after they were faxed from London.

    It was also from London that various of Bin Laden’s key fatwas were sent around the world.

    The ARC, for example, disseminated the English translation of Bin Laden’s August 1996 declaration of jihad against the Americans “occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places”. This called for the US to be driven from Saudi Arabia, the overthrow of the House of Saud and Islamic revolution all over the world.

    Two years later, in February 1998, the ARC publicised Bin Laden’s creation of an “International Front for Jihad against the Crusaders and the Jews”, joining together a variety of terrorist groups.

    However, “this caused little stir in Whitehall”, Times journalists Sean O’Neill and Daniel McGrory noted.

    Interviewing Bin Laden

    Also instructive is that the British and US intelligence services repeatedly turned down the chance to acquire information on Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda in the 1990s.

    In early 1995, for example, the Sudanese government, then hosting Bin Laden, offered to extradite or interview him and other key operatives who had been arrested on charges of planning terrorist atrocities.

    The Sudanese proffered photographs and details on various militants, including Saudis, Yemenis and Egyptians who had fought in Afghanistan against the Soviets.

    “We know them in detail,” said one Sudanese source. “We know their leaders, how they implement their policies, how they plan for the future. We have tried to feed this information to American and British intelligence so they can learn how things can be tackled.”

    This Sudanese offer was rejected, reportedly due to the “irrational hatred” the US felt for the Sudanese regime, as was a similar subsequent offer made specifically to MI6.

    Three years later, Britain was also to ignore an arrest warrant for Bin Laden issued by Libya.

    Safe in London

    So safe did Bin Laden’s supporters feel in London that, in 1995, they sent overtures to the Home Office enquiring whether their leader could claim political asylum.

    The then home secretary in John Major’s Conservative government, Michael Howard, later said that an investigation by his staff into Bin Laden resulted in a banning order being placed on him.

    In January 1996, the Home Office sent a letter to Bin Laden stating that he be “excluded from the United Kingdom on the grounds that your presence here would not be conducive to the public good.”

    Presumably, giving asylum to Bin Laden would have been a step too far in view of Whitehall’s need to placate its Saudi ally.

    But the 1998 embassy bombings were not the only terrorist outrages being planned by Bin Laden, or those close to him, during the period when his London base was in operation during 1994–98.

    By late 1994, the CIA was designating Bin Laden as a terrorist threat. In June 1995, an Al-Qaeda team attacked Egyptian President Mubarak’s presidential motorcade during a visit to the Ethiopian capital, Addis Ababa.

    The following year a secret CIA analysis showed the US was aware of Bin Laden’s financing of Islamic extremists responsible for attempted bombings against 100 US servicemen in Aden in 1992. He had funneled money to Egyptian extremists to buy weapons and bankrolled terrorist training camps in northern Sudan.

    After moving to Afghanistan in May 1996, Bin Laden also set up terrorist training camps there under the protection of the Taliban government.

    It beggars belief that British intelligence was also not aware of Bin Laden’s activities during the period when it tolerated his London base.

    This is an updated, edited extract from Mark Curtis’ book, Secret Affairs: Britain’s Collusion with Radical Islam, which contains full references.

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