The Murder of United Healthcare CEO, Brian Thompson

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Experts are concerned that the handling of Luigi Mangione’s case could lead to a real risk of jury nullification. This concern stems from the unusual treatment of the case, including the perp walk and the terrorism charge, which some argue are atypical and may sway public opinion.

Former federal prosecutor Neama Rahmani told Salon that the case’s handling, including the perp walk where Mangione was surrounded by heavily armed law enforcement and Mayor Eric Adams, could backfire. Rahmani noted that the widespread public support for Mangione and the special treatment his case is receiving might make it harder for prosecutors to secure a conviction. He said, “I see a very real risk of jury nullification in the case. I haven’t seen something like this since OJ, where there is so much sympathy for the accused.”

Source: https://www.salon.com/2025/01/01/rea...ould-backfire/

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https://x.com/unusual_whales/status/1880327966309380566

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https://x.com/travisbhill5/status/1879980179449352214

[Satori]

Re the question:

He may not be a bad guy. If he did not do it. If he did, he’s a bad guy. In my opinion.

Where things go south is:

If he did not do it but is found guilty. Then he is not a bad guy, but the system says he is. In that case he pays a price he does not owe or deserve.

Conversely, if he did do it, but the system says he did not, then he is a bad guy, but the system says he is not. In that case he does not pay the price he owes and deserves.

I do believe that one who murders another is a “bad guy” or “bad gal”.

The test is not to punish the innocent and let the guilty go free. Too often the system flips this to protect the guilty at the expense of the innocent.

To be clear, I’m not saying this man who stands accused is innocent or guilty. None of us know. He knows.

How he will he be treated by the system remains to be seen.

Just saying.

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UnitedHealthcare CEO shooting suspect thanks people for mail on new website

Luigi Mangione, who is charged with first-degree murder in the ambush killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, made the comments on a website set up by his defense.

The suspect in the ambush killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson thanked people who have written to him as he is jailed in a New York City detention facility.

Luigi Mangione's statement, posted on a website set up by his defense to provide information about his cases, appear to be his first public comments since he shouted to reporters before a court appearance in Pennsylvania in December.

Mangione is charged in New York with first-degree murder in furtherance of terrorism and other counts in Thompson's Dec. 4 killing. The CEO was shot from behind as he was walking on a Manhattan sidewalk.

Mangione said in the statement that people have written to him at the Metropolitan Detention Center, where he is jailed pending trial.



“I am overwhelmed by — and grateful for — everyone who has written me to share their stories and express their support,” Mangione said in a statement posted to that website.

Thompson's killing has been condemned by officials. Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg said that “this type of premeditated, targeted gun violence cannot and will not be tolerated.”

Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro, in whose state Mangione was arrested on Dec. 9, criticized people who suggested Mangione was a hero or justified in the killing.

“In some dark corners, this killer is being hailed as a hero. Hear me on this: He is no hero,” Shapiro said after Mangione was arrested at a McDonald’s in Altoona.

Mangione is charged with murder and other counts in New York in connection with Thompson’s killing, and he is also charged in Pennsylvania with weapons and other counts.

Mangione allegedly used a “ghost gun” with a suppressor on it. The words “deny” “depose” and “delay” were found on two spent shell casings and a bullet found at the scene, the district attorney’s office said in announcing a murder indictment against him.

Full Story and Watch Video: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ite-rcna192326

Luigi Mangione Website

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Jeff Welles - United Health

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=b-8OTQaHiRI

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Luigi Mangione wrote a list of 27 things he is grateful for before his trial.

[Mike]

Posted by rgray222 (here)
Luigi Mangione wrote a list of 27 things he is grateful for before his trial.

Interesting list. Of course I'm wondering what the redacted bit was.

He's a demented narcissist. I really don't think he possesses the ability to understand the gravity of what he's done. He thinks he's a hero. He thinks he's on the right side of history. Prediction: when he's sentenced to life in prison he's going to have a colossal meltdown. All that reality denialism will hit him in one fell, brutal swoop.

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Posted by Mike (here)

Interesting list. Of course I'm wondering what the redacted bit was.

He's a demented narcissist. I really don't think he possesses the ability to understand the gravity of what he's done. He thinks he's a hero. He thinks he's on the right side of history. Prediction: when he's sentenced to life in prison he's going to have a colossal meltdown. All that reality denialism will hit him in one fell, brutal swoop.

Yes, I completely agree. Point 4 in his letter, he says he is living Groundhog Day, where every day is both Christmas and his birthday. The most disappointing and shocking part of this story is that so many people believe that murder is an acceptable form of punishment for corporate behavior they dilike/hate.
He is a lost soul who will be overwhelmed when he is found guilty of murder.

[Mike]

Posted by rgray222 (here)

Posted by Mike (here)

Interesting list. Of course I'm wondering what the redacted bit was.

He's a demented narcissist. I really don't think he possesses the ability to understand the gravity of what he's done. He thinks he's a hero. He thinks he's on the right side of history. Prediction: when he's sentenced to life in prison he's going to have a colossal meltdown. All that reality denialism will hit him in one fell, brutal swoop.

Yes, I completely agree. Point 4 in his letter, he says he is living Groundhog Day, where every day is both Christmas and his birthday. The most disappointing and shocking part of this story is that so many people believe that murder is an acceptable form of punishment for corporate behavior they dilike/hate.
He is a lost soul who will be overwhelmed when he is found guilty of murder.

Richard you should have read some of the pieces on Substack about this guy. You wouldn't believe it (actually you probably would, sadly). One hipster girl - a popular writer there - wrote something like, "he's one of us..he just snapped.."

He just snapped?

She wrote glowingly of the guy, about what a swell fellow he is, and ended with "..he even read our 'stacks!" ...as if this absolved him from murdering an innocent guy in cold blood on the street. I wrote about all this on Substack, and concluded that (cliche alert!) the murder probably revealed more about the country than Mangione actually.

Another writer there wrote recently about the particular insurance company Brian Thompson worked for (it eludes me now), and pointed out that this particular company did indeed rip people off disproportionately relative to other insurance companies.. and fair enough, but the thrust of his piece was that this somehow vindicated Mangione in the final analysis. And the comments almost unanimously agreed!

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Luigi Mangione claims he was beaten by seven 'ladyboys' in Thailand months before CEO killing

Accused assassin shared WhatsApp messages about Bangkok brawl during Asia travels before Thompson shooting, report says

Luigi Mangione, the former Ivy Leaguer accused of assassinating UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, lost a fight with a gang of seven "ladyboys" in Thailand months before the crime, according to a new report.


Left: An image showing Bangkok's bustling nightlife. Right: Luigi Mangione, accused of the murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, attends a court hearing in New York City on Sept. 16, 2025. (iStock, Curtis Means/Pool/AFP via Getty Images)

The 27-year-old Mangione is being held without bail in New York City while awaiting trials at the state and federal level in connection with Thompson's pre-dawn ambush shooting on Dec. 4, 2024, outside a hotel where he was supposed to attend a shareholder conference later that morning.

In the year before the assassination, Mangione traveled to Asia, climbing a mountain in Japan and drinking with expat Americans in Thailand, according to The New York Times.

It was in the latter country where he was reportedly shocked to learn how little an MRI could cost outside the United States — and where he told a friend over WhatsApp he was beaten up by a group of seven "ladyboys," or transgender women, in Bangkok in March.

It's not clear how serious about the brawl he was in the messages. He attached a photo showing scratches on his arm, according to the report. After that, he returned to Japan and took a spiritual mountain climb up a trail where women hikers are not allowed.

From there, he went to India, where he met with a writer who shared an interest in the Unabomber, Ted Kaczynski, according to the Times report.

By December, according to prosecutors, Mangione had allegedly written about his disdain for the American health insurance industry and wanting to "whack" a CEO. He is also accused of wanting "to incite national debates" about its shortcomings.

Police found spent and unspent bullet casings while investigating the assassination, emblazoned with the words "deny," "delay" and "depose." They appear to be a reference to the title of a book that is critical of the U.S. health insurance industry called "Delay, Deny, Defend."

Read the full story: https://www.foxnews.com/us/luigi-man...killing-report

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Reuters Legal

BREAKING: Judge dismisses murder, weapons charges against alleged UnitedHealth CEO killer Mangione https://reut.rs/45Fin56

A New York federal judge dismissed murder and weapons charges against alleged UnitedHealthcare CEO killer Luigi Mangione, a major blow to prosecutors that means Mangione no longer faces a possible death penalty if convicted https://reut.rs/45Fin56

https://x.com/ReutersLegal/status/2017258606580908252

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Luigi Mangione’s attorneys discussed possible plea deal with feds ahead of trials, sources say



Lawyers for murder suspect Luigi Mangione had talks with federal prosecutors about a possible plea deal in advance of a scheduled court hearing Monday (June 22, 2026), sources familiar with the matter said.

An agreement appeared close this week but has since fallen aside, the sources said. News of plea talks in the federal case comes after defense attorneys in the state murder case suggested this month that they might seek a psychiatric defense for Mangione. The defense then withdrew its notice that it planned to pursue a defense that Mangione suffers from “extreme emotional disturbance.”

Mangione faces both federal and state charges in the fatal shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson on Dec. 4, 2024. He has pleaded not guilty.

Legal experts say plea talks are common before most trials. NBC News legal analyst Danny Cevallos said that if any plea deal is reached in the federal case, New York law may bar a successive state prosecution based on the same conduct.

Full Story: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ria-rcna351843

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Luigi Mangione expected to plead guilty in federal case: reports

The surprise move could delay his New York City murder trial, which is set to begin jury selection on Sept 8


Luigi Mangione attends a pre-trial appearance at Manhattan Criminal Court in New York City, on August 11, 2026. (REUTERS)

Accused UnitedHealthcare CEO assassin Luigi Mangione is expected to plead guilty to the federal charges against him at a surprise pretrial conference Friday, according to local reports, a move that could upend his state-level murder trial just weeks before it's supposed to begin in New York City.

State and federal prosecutors and Mangione's legal team have not responded to requests for comment from Fox News Digital.

But two of the city's major newspapers, the New York Post and New York Times, both reported Thursday that the 28-year-old former Ivy Leaguer is expected to plead guilty in his federal stalking case.


UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson is pictured in an undated portrait provided by UnitedHealth. The executive was shot from behind and killed on his way to an investor conference in New York City in what prosecutors have described as a politically motivated assassination. (AP Photo/UnitedHealth Group via AP)


Mangione is accused of following UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson to a Manhattan Hilton hotel on the morning of Dec. 4, 2024, and shooting him in the back hours before a business conference was supposed to take place there. Surveillance video shows a man in a hoodie approach Thompson from behind and open fire with a handgun — the same weapon authorities allege Mangione had in his backpack when he was arrested in a Pennsylvania McDonald's five days later.

Mangione has pleaded not guilty to all charges in both cases previously. His defense team has had some success already, convincing judges in both cases to dismiss the most serious charges. As a result, he would no longer face capital punishment if convicted in a federal trial, and would not face life without parole if convicted in New York state.


Luigi Mangione is escorted from an NYPD helicopter in New York City, New York, Thursday, December, 19, 2024. Mangione is the prime suspect in the murder of United Healthcare CEO, Brian Thompson. (Rashid Umar Abbasi for Fox News Digital)

He could still face a maximum sentence of life without parole in federal prison if convicted in that case — but experts say he would probably avoid the stiffest possible sentence even if convicted by a jury.

Full Story: https://www.foxnews.com/us/luigi-man...l-case-reports

[AutumnW]

They should be putting Predatory Capitalism on trial, not Luigi.

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Posted by AutumnW (here)
They should be putting Predatory Capitalism on trial, not Luigi.

Believing that murder is justified as a way to solve social problems shows a tremendous lack of morality, empathy and humanity. Thinking that Luigi Manginone should not be put on trial for committing murder on the streets of NYC is an exceptionally dangerous mindset. Valuing social justice and personal ideology over judicial justice is fundamentally and deeply flawed.

• Processed food causes millions of deaths, should be murder people running the food manufacturing and processing plants. How about the grocery stores that sell it and clerks that stock it on the shelves? Should murder all of them.
• Thousands of people die every year from alcohol consumption. Should we murder the alcohol manufacturers? Should we burn down the restaurants that serve it, and should we murder the waitresses and waiters that serve it?
• If the speed limit were lowered, we would save thousands of lives worldwide. Should we murder the people at the Dept of Transportation who set the speed limits?
• Should we murder the auto manufacturers? After all, thousands of people die every year because of cars.
• Thousands of people have been killed and seriously harmed by drugs that have been approved and later recalled. Should we murder the people who originally approved the drugs for consumption?

This list could go on and on and on.................................................

[rgray222]

Something about Luigi Mangione does not hold up. He claims he assassinated Brian Thompson of UnitedHealthcare because "it cost my family thousands and thousands of dollars." Yet, Mangione comes from a prominent Baltimore family with significant wealth derived from real estate and healthcare holdings (nursing homes and hospitals). His family was worth tens of millions.

I think this may very well be an intentional effort to move people in a more violent direction to solve problems. We know that there is an effort to undermine Western society, and this is just another way to accomplish that task.

The thought of assassinating a human being to solve a social problem is nothing short of reprehensible.


Luigi Mangione pleads guilty to federal charges in the killing of UnitedHealthcare’s CEO

"Before travelling to New York, I used a 3-D printer to make a gun," he added. "On the morning of Dec 4, 2024, I shot Mr. Thompson in Manhattan…I knew what I was doing ."



The man charged with gunning down UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson on a New York City street nearly two years ago with a 3-D printed pistol pleaded guilty to federal stalking charges in Manhattan on Friday as Thompson’s family looked on.

In his allocution to the court, Luigi Mangione, 28, revealed for the first time that in 2024 he posed as a potential investor who managed over $50 billion in assets and emailed leadership at the insurance giant to confirm the location of the investors conference so he could track Thompson’s location.

“My travel to New York and email to UnitedHealthcare was with the intent to shoot Brian Thompson,” Mangione said in his statement. “On the morning of Dec. 4, 2024, I shot Mr. Thompson in Manhattan and he died.”

The admitted gunman — who is Ivy League-educated and hails from a prominent Baltimore family — said he understood his actions “would place [Thompson] in fear of death or serious bodily injury” and that “I knew what I was doing was illegal.”

Mangione also told the judge that he was driven to kill Thompson because of his experience with the healthcare system as a patient with a back injury. Prosecutors have previously said that Mangione had no personal connection to UnitedHealthcare and he was never a customer.

In his statement, Mangione mocked the healthcare industry, citing UnitedHealthcare’s reply to his investment ruse. “Unlike my previous interactions with insurers, I received an immediate response within an hour,” Mangione said.

Thompson’s family issued a rare public statement after the plea hearing, calling it “an important step toward justice for Brian and for our family.”

“While nothing will ease the pain of losing him, we are grateful that the federal justice system has held the person responsible for this heinous act accountable,” the statement said. “Now we look to the court to ensure that sentencing reflects the severity of this crime.”

Mangione faces a maximum sentence of life in prison and prosecutors suggested that his sentencing range under federal guidelines would be 24 to 30 years in prison. Prosecutors later clarified that they would be recommending life in prison, the steepest sentence available.

He will be sentenced at a separate hearing on Dec. 18 and the final sentence will be determined by the judge, who has full discretion.

His federal court guilty plea is expected to kick off a double jeopardy fight in state court where he still faces murder charges and the possibility of life in prison. Mangione’s defense is expected to argue that the cases cover the same alleged conduct and that proceeding with a state court trial would amount to a legal violation.

“Since December 2024, the Manhattan D.A.’s Office has been tirelessly preparing to pursue a trial conviction in New York State Supreme Court for the alleged cold-blooded murder of Brian Thompson,” a spokesperson for the Manhattan District Attorney’s office said following the federal hearing. “While federal sentencing is pending, we are prepared to litigate the defense motions. The Manhattan D.A.’s Office remains committed to seeking justice for Mr. Thompson and his family.”

Following the guilty plea, Mangione’s lawyer Karen Friedman Agnifilo said, “We just filed our motion in state court explaining why the state charges must be dismissed under New York’s double jeopardy protections.”

Full story: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ing-rcna592421

[AutumnW]

Posted by rgray222 (here)

Posted by AutumnW (here)
They should be putting Predatory Capitalism on trial, not Luigi.

Believing that murder is justified as a way to solve social problems shows a tremendous lack of morality, empathy and humanity. Thinking that Luigi Manginone should not be put on trial for committing murder on the streets of NYC is an exceptionally dangerous mindset. Valuing social justice and personal ideology over judicial justice is fundamentally and deeply flawed.

• Processed food causes millions of deaths, should be murder people running the food manufacturing and processing plants. How about the grocery stores that sell it and clerks that stock it on the shelves? Should murder all of them.
• Thousands of people die every year from alcohol consumption. Should we murder the alcohol manufacturers? Should we burn down the restaurants that serve it, and should we murder the waitresses and waiters that serve it?
• If the speed limit were lowered, we would save thousands of lives worldwide. Should we murder the people at the Dept of Transportation who set the speed limits?
• Should we murder the auto manufacturers? After all, thousands of people die every year because of cars.
• Thousands of people have been killed and seriously harmed by drugs that have been approved and later recalled. Should we murder the people who originally approved the drugs for consumption?

This list could go on and on and on.................................................

It's all an exercise in the abstract until your child or mother, dies because United Health Care denies coverage, even when a policy clearly states that a relative's health problem IS covered.

And it's not a mistake, it's their policy to deny coverage multiple times, and make their clients jump through hoops before they relent and give them what they paid for. Often enough, they deny coverage for so long the person ends up dead.

Don't believe me? Talk to the legions of demoralized employees who have to deny legit claims and lie to their customers. Do you believe in the death penalty for premeditated murder?

The worst evil act is sadistic murder, for sport. The second worst evil act is premeditated murder to satisfy the greed of shareholders.

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Posted by AutumnW (here)

Posted by rgray222 (here)

Posted by AutumnW (here)
They should be putting Predatory Capitalism on trial, not Luigi.

Believing that murder is justified as a way to solve social problems shows a tremendous lack of morality, empathy and humanity. Thinking that Luigi Manginone should not be put on trial for committing murder on the streets of NYC is an exceptionally dangerous mindset. Valuing social justice and personal ideology over judicial justice is fundamentally and deeply flawed.

• Processed food causes millions of deaths, should be murder people running the food manufacturing and processing plants. How about the grocery stores that sell it and clerks that stock it on the shelves? Should murder all of them.
• Thousands of people die every year from alcohol consumption. Should we murder the alcohol manufacturers? Should we burn down the restaurants that serve it, and should we murder the waitresses and waiters that serve it?
• If the speed limit were lowered, we would save thousands of lives worldwide. Should we murder the people at the Dept of Transportation who set the speed limits?
• Should we murder the auto manufacturers? After all, thousands of people die every year because of cars.
• Thousands of people have been killed and seriously harmed by drugs that have been approved and later recalled. Should we murder the people who originally approved the drugs for consumption?

This list could go on and on and on.................................................

This issue has absolutely nothing to do with healthcare; it's about a fundamental moral question. If you're okay with the idea of a CEO of a healthcare company (or any company) being murdered, then you're essentially endorsing violence as a solution to problems. Using your same logic, you would also have to be okay with the Palestinian raids into Israel that killed 1200 and the subsequent bombing of Gaza, which killed tens of thousands.

These are all problems where murder was seen by people as the best solution. The insanity is beyond comprehension. Change requires confronting these issues without bloodshed. True leaders will find a way for progress and reform, while incapable, weak people and leaders will resort to violence and murder to achieve what they want. There is absolutely no moral high ground in accepting or justifying violence.

I am not attempting to argue; I am trying to point out to anyone who listens that murder is an action that society should never think is OK to solve problems. I am beginning to believe that there are individuals in positions of power who hate the West and intentionally encourage this type of behavior to creep into Western society. Their goal is to use these issues as evidence of how far Western society has declined, for the purpose of undermining its values and stability.

Even having this discussion appears to be a way to normalize violent behavior to solve problems.

[AutumnW]

RGray, Healthcare is all about the basics of morality. United Healthcare under their CEO knowingly practice/ practiced murder for money. They're hitmen without guns.