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    Jason Jorjani answers a lot of questions here, better than I've ever heard anyone else do it.

    This is a spell binding roller coaster ride where the train levitates off the tracks and does a back to the future thing.
    The more you already know the more you will get out of this interview.
    It's amazing.
    Jorjani builds a tapestry weaving Ingo Swann, William Bramley, Joe Mcmanogil, Travis Walton, Zacharia Sitchin, Plato, Descartes, Charles Forte, Earth's religions and mythologies and a lot more.

    All to explain that the large Nordic types were the Annunaki who created humanity, that these large Nordic types were the gods of old, they are Ingo Swan's aliens on the moon, Joe Mcmanogil's remote viewed residents of Mars from millions of years ago, William Bramley's plague casting grim reapers from the middle ages, Charlagmane's arial battling UFO's of the 1300s and Charles Forte's controllers of the planet Earth.

    The pace of this interview never stops, the mental gymnastics out compete Mary Lou Retin from her Wheaties box era, all while remaining sober, coherent and factual.

    This is Buckaroo Bonsai and the fifth dimension level stuff.
    Usually the limitation on a Jorjani interview is that the interviewers get left behind and kind of limit the range and scope but we have a winner here. Never seen a guy keep up with the J man like this kid.

    Good luck and God speed
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    The only man who's mastered the Philosophy arts and worked the shadow government and UFO situation into a manifesto and has the balls to explain it.

    It's okay if you don't like this guy.
    But if you've invested a significant chunk of your life looking for the answers, if you've correlated the UFO data, the shadow government and you can handle someone who's done it better than you and goes beyond the what ifs and tells you what it all means then do your self a favor and listen to this.

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    At an hour and two minutes into this interview Jordan Maxwell tells the story of how he met this pretty girl in 1959 who took Maxwell to meet her father. The father of the girl was an emissary of sorts.
    The father of the girl summoned UFO's for Jordan Maxwell and then dismissed those same UFO's that then left.
    The father of the girl handed Maxwell a book, the complete collection of Charles Forte's.
    This executive within the UFO culture then told Maxwell that Charles Forte was indeed right when he said that UFO occupants control and own this world.

    I include this here because this is what Jorjani is saying.
    Jorjani states that tall Nordic types control this planet, they own this planet.
    The Grey's are their servants both short and tall.
    Jorjani states that the gods of old, Sumerian, Greek, Indian, that they are the plieadian tall Nordic types.

    Jorjani does not think this is good.
    Jorjani talks about the glimpses remote viewers have gotten, Ingo Swann and Joe Mcmanogil, how they include regular earth humans as slaves in those glimpses.

    This Maxwell video is a treasure and I'm very thankful it exists.
    Maxwell's entire life seems to have been marked and guided by these controllers of the world and glimpses of their intent should be gleaned from his stories through out his life.

    One race of beings have been controlling/manipulating the human race through our our existence.
    Jorjani speaks of a Promethean uprising of mankind.
    To first realize our circumstances and to do something about it before we are reduced to a new dark age of human servdom
    And lose an opportunity to approach autonomy.

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    Quote Posted by DNA (here)
    Jason Jorjani answers a lot of questions here, better than I've ever heard anyone else do it.

    This is a spell binding roller coaster ride where the train levitates off the tracks and does a back to the future thing.
    The more you already know the more you will get out of this interview.
    It's amazing.

    Jorjani builds a tapestry weaving Ingo Swann, William Bramley, Joe Mcmanogil, Travis Walton, Zacharia Sitchin, Plato, Descartes, Charles Forte, Earth's religions and mythologies and a lot more.

    All to explain that the large Nordic types were the Annunaki who created humanity, that these large Nordic types were the gods of old, they are Ingo Swan's aliens on the moon, Joe Mcmanogil's remote viewed residents of Mars from millions of years ago, William Bramley's plague casting grim reapers from the middle ages, Charlagmane's arial battling UFO's of the 1300s and Charles Forte's controllers of the planet Earth.

    The pace of this interview never stops, the mental gymnastics out compete Mary Lou Retin from her Wheaties box era, all while remaining sober, coherent and factual.

    This is Buckaroo Bonsai and the fifth dimension level stuff.

    Usually the limitation on a Jorjani interview is that the interviewers get left behind and kind of limit the range and scope but we have a winner here. Never seen a guy keep up with the J man like this kid.

    Good luck and God speed
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    What if reality isn’t just breaking down, but being reprogrammed?

    In this deep, mind-bending conversation, Jason Reza Jorjani takes us through the hidden history of UFOs, the “Nordic control system,” and the trickster phenomena that blur the line between physics and magic. We explore Skinwalker Ranch anomalies that feel like edits to the “film” of reality, Landauer’s insight that data has measurable mass, and the terrifying prospect of an information catastrophe as humanity keeps producing more data.

    From Descartes and Kant to Claude Shannon and John Wheeler, we trace how our scientific paradigms may have blinded us to a deeper truth: that matter, energy, and information are three forms of the same thing, and that we may be living in an information-processing cosmos.

    Chapters
    00:00 Intro
    02:52 Jason Reza Jorjani intro
    03:48 From nuts-and-bolts to consciousness
    05:36 Meta-explanations as defense mechanisms
    07:56 Kant, Swedenborg & the occult
    10:02 Descartes as Jesuit agent?
    11:37 Mechanistic science serving the Church
    13:42 Psi: privacy, healing & weaponization
    15:12 Black units, PK & Pat Price
    17:16 Training psi like martial arts
    18:50 Catastrophic disclosure & psi
    19:11 Telepathy guiding craft; child pilots
    21:22 Spectral revolution vs normal science
    22:11 Negative psi effect
    24:35 Kuhn’s paradigms, hinges & politics
    26:44 Science as toolkits, not mirrors
    28:55 Who drives paradigm shifts
    30:10 Religion & UAP through history
    33:47 Eden’s serpent and rebel angels
    36:14 Atlantis as demigod technocracy
    40:20 Vallee & time-travel angle
    42:28 Did the bad guys win?
    45:31 Sky battles right before the Renaissance
    49:56 Black Plague interruption
    51:46 Magonia arrests & bishops
    54:10 Hooded “sprayers” & plague iconography
    55:56 Control system logic & disclosure
    58:56 Ingo Swann on the Moon
    1:02:29 Nuclear Mars: xenon-129 anomalies
    1:06:46 CIA “Mars 1,000,000 BC” remote view
    1:10:03 Hollow Moon hints (“rings like a bell”)
    1:12:23 Moon as transport & terraformer
    1:14:24 Travis Walton: greys and Nordics
    1:21:45 Masks, deception & overlords
    1:23:58 Lockheed brief: pilots & time displacement
    1:28:39 Reptilians as lab-made hybrids?
    1:30:37 Anunnaki literal in Sumerian texts?
    1:44:55 End of reality: two UAP sources
    1:47:39 Skinwalker “time-cut” camera event
    1:49:37 Physics as code, root-access intrusions
    1:53:25 Landauer: erasing data releases energy
    1:57:48 Mass of global data & future catastrophe
    2:00:45 Information catastrophe scenario
    2:03:19 Wheeler’s “It from Bit”
    2:12:43 Spectral revolution: ontic + political
    2:16:07 AI steward of the simulacrum
    2:18:14 Why the AI needs human novelty
    2:24:17 Sovereignty & why disclosure won’t happen
    2:26:09 Epstein–Maxwell gravity obsession
    2:32:26 Atlantis obsession & breeding program
    2:38:41 1950s contactees & racial cosmology
    2:46:19 Epstein as flytrap or rebellion?
    2:50:56 Randolph AFB mind-control camp
    3:00:30 Reincarnation splits & possession cases
    3:06:59 Zuse’s calculating space & nukes test Matrix
    3:12:13 Sir Horsley’s nuclear disarm warning
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    I never expected Jorjani to go here.

    Jorjani is not a fan of the Nordic tall blond types, he won't call them alien, he considers them human.
    He thinks they are the Greek, Hindu and Sumarian gods of old.
    That Atlantis and it's destruction was brought about by a psychic war between the human hybrids of the Nordics (us) and those Nordic self proclaimed gods.

    That being said, he postulates that Lovecraft's Cthulhu mythos, was a psychic reporting of the entities enlisted in that war and brought to earth from who knows where. Jorjani says the weaker hybrid offshoots of the Nordics, demigods or what have you, that these hybrids technologically opened portals summoning these OLD ONES to aid in their battle against the Nordic Gods.

    This starts at 1:30 into the interview.

    I'm blown away by this.
    Just for the record, Lovecraft's best story in my opinion is called the mound.
    This story is about a underground civilization who states they must live underground or be molested by the entities that arrived through portals during the war of Atlantis.

    Also just for the record this is what Drunvello Melchizedek postulates as well in his flower of life book.

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    Jason Jorjani answers a lot of questions here, better than I've ever heard anyone else do it.

    This is a spell binding roller coaster ride where the train levitates off the tracks and does a back to the future thing.
    The more you already know the more you will get out of this interview.
    It's amazing.
    Jorjani builds a tapestry weaving Ingo Swann, William Bramley, Joe Mcmanogil, Travis Walton, Zacharia Sitchin, Plato, Descartes, Charles Forte, Earth's religions and mythologies and a lot more.

    All to explain that the large Nordic types were the Annunaki who created humanity, that these large Nordic types were the gods of old, they are Ingo Swan's aliens on the moon, Joe Mcmanogil's remote viewed residents of Mars from millions of years ago, William Bramley's plague casting grim reapers from the middle ages, Charlagmane's arial battling UFO's of the 1300s and Charles Forte's controllers of the planet Earth.

    The pace of this interview never stops, the mental gymnastics out compete Mary Lou Retin from her Wheaties box era, all while remaining sober, coherent and factual.

    This is Buckaroo Bonsai and the fifth dimension level stuff.
    Usually the limitation on a Jorjani interview is that the interviewers get left behind and kind of limit the range and scope but we have a winner here. Never seen a guy keep up with the J man like this kid.

    Good luck and God speed
    Thanks DNA for this post (and RunningDeer for the additional details)

    I don't watch many long videos but have completed the first half of this one today, really appreciating how this connects info I was aware of and some I wasn't into a largely coherent, holistic view.

    Really knowledgeable interviewer helps a lot.
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    Finished the above interview of Jason Jorjani by Jesse Michels
    ordered the book Closer Enounters by Jorjani

    Jesse x here

    https://x.com/AlchemyAmerican

    https://x.com/AlchemyAmerican/status...572058987?s=20



    @AlchemyAmerican

    🚨BREAKING🚨: There are reports of cell phone footage inside the US government of black triangle UFOs, filmed from under a hundred feet away. Footage clear enough to end the debate about evidence overnight. The whistleblower saying so stood beneath one himself, and his conclusion under oath is that the craft was not human made and not ours.

    Dylan Borland (@TheDylanBorland)

    was an Air Force geospatial intelligence analyst whose literal job was identifying aircraft from sensor data; one morning at Langley Air Force Base he watched a hundred-foot black triangle hover silently over him, its hull wrapped in a golden transparent plasma that moved like a lava lamp. The air filled with static and the smell of a lightning storm, his phone overheated in his pocket, and the craft shot from a hover to thirty thousand feet in roughly two seconds. The man trained to identify anything in the sky could not identify it.

    AARO, the Pentagon's own UFO office, gave the game away. It logged his sighting as unclassified while burying everything else he described inside a special access program, and that's the tell: a secret American aircraft would have made the sighting itself classified, and they didn't classify it. The craft was never ours. Borland says the same office then falsified his file, sending the intelligence community's top oversight body a report he never signed, the basis for a treason accusation that carries the death penalty.

    After Dylan's sightings, while working at BAE systems (often-mentioned as one of the inheritors of non-human technology in books like Imminent), Dylan came into contact with personnel cleared to a broader legacy UFO program. And from there, he went on an intensive search: combing through all material he could about UFOs, non-human intelligence and programs related to both.

    Then came the reprisals: his clearance was strangled through paperwork tricks; a VA program strapped him to a polygraph while air horns blasted every time he miscounted backward from a hundred. Borland says they have other ways of making you doubt your own mind, from government documents describing the ability to implant false memories without drugs to a VA doctor who quietly admitted to him she was CIA.

    At the center of it is Project Rubik's Cube, a program Borland is legally barred from even acknowledging. Involved in the program is an apparent "pyramid-shaped power source" of non-human origin, apparently more sensitive than the UFO craft itself.

    Langley's most secret airspace has been penetrated at will before Borland's sighting. For seventeen straight nights in late 2023, swarms of drones nobody could identify flew over the base while the Pentagon publicly admitted it had no idea what they were and no way to stop them. Borland, who was working counter-WMD intelligence at the time, says the swarms weren't wandering, they made straight for the two most sensitive targets on the base: the hangars holding the Air Force's stealth fighters, and the NASA facilities next door.

    The cover-up is still running. For years, employees at NASA's Langley facilities had tagged photos of labyrinths and hieroglyph-like markings on Google Maps, and one by one those images are being scrubbed off the internet.


    What Borland walked away believing is bigger than any single UFO sighting: that our own government no longer thinks humans are the ones in charge.

    Full conversation live now. Big thanks to the legends Jeremy Corbell (@JeremyCorbell) and George Knapp (@g_knapp) for breaking this story.



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    A Top Government Official Told Me Aliens Run Everything!” - Dylan Borland UNLEASHED (3:19:00)
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    Dylan Borland spent years in the drone program supporting special operations before discovering something far stranger at Langley Air Force Base. In 2012, Dylan witnessed a 100-to-150-foot black metallic triangle take off near the NASA hangar and stop 100 feet above him — an encounter that would eventually lead him into the deepest corridors of America's UFO legacy.

    00:00 Introduction
    2:39 - Congressional testimony
    4:18 - ODNI and the leaked program name
    6:48 - Disclosing to journalists
    9:31 - Early life and Pittsburgh
    12:08 - Hillenkoetter and open-source research
    15:18 - Joining the Air Force
    18:52 - Inside the drone program
    20:31 - Suicide and dissociation
    25:55 - Langley Air Force Base, 2012
    29:39 - Describing the craft
    33:04 - Estimating the speed
    34:57 - Sponsors (Ketone-IQ)
    36:24 - Why it flew to him
    38:22 - Ionizing the atmosphere
    41:02 - Google Maps tags at Langley
    45:22 - Lacatski and UFOs as puzzles
    48:35 - The Langley drone incursions
    51:48 - Cell phone video and bodies
    54:53 - After the sighting
    57:06 - BAE Systems
    1:01:32 - Genetics and umbrella programs
    1:03:09 - Gaffney and born-secret law
    1:06:29 - Protecting other whistleblowers
    1:08:12 - The pyramid power source
    1:10:25 - Elizondo's sandbox analogy
    1:12:58 - Pax River and the Pais patents
    1:14:58 - Antigravity and the fifth dimension
    1:18:21 - The database and NSA purge
    1:24:14 - Predicted disclosure dates
    1:29:30 - The hieroglyphic
    1:30:50 - Sponsors (ZBiotics)
    1:32:31 - Sponsors (iRestore)
    1:33:33 - Hieroglyph and Project Greenglow
    1:36:00 - Confirming the sighting
    1:39:32 - Immunity versus accountability
    1:42:29 - How a clearance is destroyed
    1:46:39 - Why he came forward
    1:52:00 - Going to Congress
    1:56:36 - Going to AARO
    1:58:16 - The false memorandum
    2:02:50 - The fabricated drawing
    2:07:29 - The VA
    2:09:42 - The flashing image tests
    2:15:54 - Kit Green and the leaked call
    2:18:33 - Cut brake lines
    2:19:43 - Remote viewing and consciousness
    2:24:35 - Kona Blue and mind control
    2:27:37 - Why it stays classified
    2:30:57 - Humans aren't in charge
    2:34:36 - Humans as a resource
    2:37:13 - Enoch and the simulation
    2:42:57 - Paul Thigpen
    2:50:36 - Synchronicities
    2:59:22 - Guarding the exit paths
    3:03:35 - The Google Maps screenshots
    3:07:20 - Vanguard
    3:14:38 - Top five rappers
    3:17:45 - Vanguard and outro
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    Wow these monster interviews.
    Mountain Jim I hope you tell us what you thought of the book if and when you are done reading it.
    It's the top one I decided would be on my list as well.

    This interview is four frigging hours long. I'm only halfway through it.
    It's wonderful.

    Jorjani brings to the table what we liked in David Wilcock which is an amazing ability to correlate scientific and spiritual data. And it's easy to say that because I'm going to transition into Jorjani talking about scaler energies.
    There is a mentioning of Tesla and his towers he wanted placed all over the earth which would pulse energy through the earth rather than over it.
    A transition into Andrea Puharch who reverse engineered brain waves noted in deep meditation, shamanic experiences and hallucinagenic plants thus creating a technological way to recreate these states and thus the door was opened.
    Edgar Cayce and Rudolph Steiner are mentioned in how they describe a technology in ancient Atlantis that powered craft, powered machinery, created and caused earth Quakes, caused volcanic disturbances.
    Steiner and maybe Cayce but I personally never saw this, then said that this same technological energy in Atlantis this scaler energy was then causing massive hallucinations.
    The population of Atlantis was under the influence of these scaler waves much like what Andrea Puharch describes and has recreated in technology influencing brain wave perception.
    Jason Jorjani then talks about the movie ghost busters from the 80s.
    Jorjani points to the state of New York City during the midst of the movie and how
    This exact situation of massive paranormal activity could be recreated with this same scaler waves technology. Maybe not real paranormal activity but the appearance of it.
    Jorjani says forget project blue beam when they are capable of so much more than simply UFOs in the sky.


    I really enjoy the massive amount of information pieced together in this manner while all the while giving sources that you yourself may then follow up on.

    A great interview so far, 1/2 way.

    But.....
    I must warn.
    Please remember the baby and the bathwater metaphor.

    Lev Polyakov the interviewer, is a Zionist supporting Palestinian genocide denying idiot.
    Who he is speaks so loudly I can't hear what he is saying.
    Lev Polyakov has stated like it's obvious that Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson are idiot conspiracy theorists.
    Is Lev Polyakov taking money via the current flood of money being handed out to social media influencers to attack those in opposition of Zionism?
    It appears so to myself.
    Is Jorjani on that same payment plan?
    I don't know, Jorjani has been excommunicated from academia where he used to teach at Harvard.
    As a result is he on the take on this regard as well?
    I don't know.
    To Jorjani's credit he does not second Lev Polyakov, he doesn't add fuel to the condemnation but his silence certainly doesn't counter it or deny it.

    I will leave you with that.
    As for myself I like Jorjani so much I'm not getting off the ride over this.
    But I did feel it needed addressing
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    Wow these monster interviews.
    Mountain Jim I hope you tell us what you thought of the book if and when you are done reading it.
    It's the top one I decided would be on my list as well.

    This interview is four frigging hours long. I'm only halfway through it.
    It's wonderful.

    Jorjani brings to the table what we liked in David Wilcock which is an amazing ability to correlate scientific and spiritual data. And it's easy to say that because I'm going to transition into Jorjani talking about scaler energies.


    There is a mentioning of Tesla and his towers he wanted placed all over the earth which would pulse energy through the earth rather than over it.


    A transition into Andrea Puharch who reverse engineered brain waves noted in deep meditation, shamanic experiences and hallucinagenic plants thus creating a technological way to recreate these states and thus the door was opened.


    Edgar Cayce and Rudolph Steiner are mentioned in how they describe a technology in ancient Atlantis that powered craft, powered machinery, created and caused earth Quakes, caused volcanic disturbances.


    Steiner and maybe Cayce but I personally never saw this, then said that this same technological energy in Atlantis this scaler energy was then causing massive hallucinations.


    The population of Atlantis was under the influence of these scaler waves much like what Andrea Puharch describes and has recreated in technology influencing brain wave perception.


    Jason Jorjani then talks about the movie ghost busters from the 80s.


    Jorjani points to the state of New York City during the midst of the movie and how
    This exact situation of massive paranormal activity could be recreated with this same scaler waves technology. Maybe not real paranormal activity but the appearance of it.
    Jorjani says forget project blue beam when they are capable of so much more than simply UFOs in the sky.

    I really enjoy the massive amount of information pieced together in this manner while all the while giving sources that you yourself may then follow up on.

    A great interview so far, 1/2 way.

    But.....
    I must warn.
    Please remember the baby and the bathwater metaphor.

    Lev Polyakov the interviewer, is a Zionist supporting Palestinian genocide denying idiot.
    Who he is speaks so loudly I can't hear what he is saying.
    Lev Polyakov has stated like it's obvious that Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson are idiot conspiracy theorists.
    Is Lev Polyakov taking money via the current flood of money being handed out to social media influencers to attack those in opposition of Zionism?
    It appears so to myself.
    Is Jorjani on that same payment plan?
    I don't know, Jorjani has been excommunicated from academia where he used to teach at Harvard.
    As a result is he on the take on this regard as well?
    I don't know.
    To Jorjani's credit he does not second Lev Polyakov, he doesn't add fuel to the condemnation but his silence certainly doesn't counter it or deny it.

    I will leave you with that.
    As for myself I like Jorjani so much I'm not getting off the ride over this.
    But I did feel it needed addressing
    00:00 Introducing Occult Horizons
    02:56 Consciousness and AI Remote Viewing
    06:40 Sentience as a Spectrum
    08:38 Psychic Abilities in Animals
    19:14 Plant Sentience and ESP
    22:54 Attention, Care, and Meaning
    24:48 Collective Perception in Schools of Fish
    27:49 Hive Minds and Nonconscious Intelligence
    32:20 Quantum Coherence in Photosynthesis
    37:22 Trees, Fungi, and Nested Organisms
    39:35 Consciousness as Integrated Information
    42:57 Could Artificial Intelligence Be Sentient?
    47:30 AI and Online Hive Minds
    51:23 The Trickster Archetype
    57:50 Nature as Artifice
    1:00:00 Trickster Phenomena and UFO Encounters
    1:04:01 Synchronicity, Psi, and the Superorganism
    1:08:10 Tarot and AI as Synchronicity Systems
    1:10:38 The Computational Cosmos
    1:15:20 Nuclear Weapons and the Matrix
    1:16:58 Deconstructing the Virtual and the Real
    1:19:32 Is There an Objective Reality?
    1:21:40 Will, Natural Law, and Cosmic Habits
    1:25:06 Free Will and the Secret of the Occult
    1:28:35 Aquino, Parsons, and Individual Agency
    1:31:16 Blavatsky, Crowley, and Metaphysical Structure
    1:35:23 Soviet Psychotronics
    1:41:28 Blavatsky’s Contributions
    1:49:23 Revisiting Quantum One-Pointedness
    1:52:19 Coherence Versus One-Pointedness
    1:53:46 Tesla’s Planetary Energy Transmission
    1:56:32 Shamanism, Yoga, and Psi States
    2:02:28 Psychotronic Machines and Free Will
    2:04:49 Technology Beyond Nature and Artifice
    2:10:34 Cosmic Triggers and Atlantean Tech
    2:25:26 Human Will and the Trickster’s Will
    2:31:09 Magnetic Fields and Psi Ability
    2:34:02 Writing Fiction from the Subconscious
    2:38:48 Building a Coherent Ontology
    2:44:46 Hereditary Psi and Reincarnation
    2:50:23 Life Among the Gods
    2:58:10 Reincarnation Across Cultures
    3:02:28 The Soul as Software
    3:08:01 Greek Psi Traditions and Apollonius
    3:14:17 Advaita Vedanta and Objective Reality
    3:17:48 Will to Power and Structural Truth
    3:22:31 Why UFO Programs Hire Engineers
    3:24:24 Fiction and Occulted Human History
    3:29:37 Retrocausation and Negative Time
    3:38:53 Perception, Intention, and Action
    3:43:10 Monstrous Nature and the Trickster
    3:47:17 Why Full Disclosure Is Impossible
    4:00:25 Frashokereti and the Melting World
    4:03:38 Brazil’s Promethean Potential
    4:07:05 Human Sacrifice and Loosh Harvesting
    4:10:54 The Burden of the Promethean Gift
    4:18:06 Closing Remarks

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    Wow these monster interviews.
    Mountain Jim I hope you tell us what you thought of the book if and when you are done reading it.
    It's the top one I decided would be on my list as well.
    Thanks DNA, I am about 1/4 of the way through Closer Encounters, finding synchronicities in having just watched this video (posted by grapevine and recommended by Bill here) where the US-Oligarch-supported preservation of Nazi resources and research was spread around with the help of the controllers who helped fund and support the rise of the Nazi Germany war machine.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75NPYdFXhH0



    Closer Encounters (so far) makes a case (among other complex cases) with well-documented sources that UFO abductions in the 50's, particularly in Brazil, were reported to be by Nordic types, some in Italy speaking German, treating humans like cattle, that there may be a Nazi-related component to these UFO-abduction accounts - and he is condemning Nazi-Fascism and Eugenics support to create a Master Race... well that's as far as I have gotten so far..

    His sources documentation is impeccable, and it will take me more research to understand his statements and positions that got him kicked out of the University because I do not see evidence of his racism or alt-right fascism here. I did read where he split from the organization he co-founded because his partner went hard in that direction.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Jorjani

    Academic suspension and lawsuit

    In September 2017, Jorjani was suspended from his teaching position at the New Jersey Institute of Technology in response to a covert video recorded by Patrik Hermansson, a Swedish antifascist activist,[11] who presented himself to Jorjani under the false identity "Erik Hellberg",[12] in which Jorjani predicted a future where concentration camps would return to Europe[13] and Adolf Hitler, Napoleon Bonaparte, Alexander the Great would appear on European currency by 2050.[11][14] Hermansson met with Jorjani at an Irish bar in midtown Manhattan in June, where the two talked about a future in which Europe embraces fascism. "It's going to end with the expulsion of the majority of migrants including citizens, who are of Muslim descent, generally" Jorjani said. "That's how it's going to end. It's going to end with concentration camps and expulsion and war. At the cost of a few hundred million people."[11]

    Jorjani claimed that his remarks were spliced into pieces from a two-hour conversation and rearranged out of context, and that the prediction was a warning of a dystopian future, not an endorsement.[13][15][16]

    In February 2017, NJIT officials told Jorjani they would not renew his annual teaching contract. In July 2018, Jorjani filed for a $25M lawsuit against NJIT, alleging that campus officials violated Jorjani's constitutional right to freedom of speech and association and that campus leaders and colleagues subsequently defamed Jorjani in campus-wide emails and in the student newspaper. Denise Anderson, a spokeswoman for the school, denied the allegations and said, "Dr. Jorjani's claims of wrongdoing by the university or its representatives are untrue, and we intend to vigorously defend against any such claims."[17]

    In March 2019, U.S. District Judge William Martini ruled that Jorjani does not have a case for defamation, stating: "The general allegation is implausible because the facts alleged do not support an inference that defendants knew the recording was edited to misconstrue plaintiff's actual views."[18]

    Association with Richard Spencer

    Jorjani had met Richard Spencer at a conference from the white supremacist think tank National Policy Institute, at which both of them spoke. At the conference, attendees gave Nazi salutes as Spencer led the crowd in shouting "Heil Trump!"[19] Jorjani subsequently claimed that he did not intend to speak at the conference and that he rejected the white nationalist ideology Spencer began integrating into their organization.[16]

    Founding of the AltRight Corporation

    In January 2017,[5] Jorjani co-founded[7] AltRight Corporation and AltRight.com with Richard Spencer before resigning less than a year later in August 2017, for the stated reasons that he wanted to commit to the Iranian Renaissance Organization,[20] a 501(c)(3) cultural organization.[16][21] Jorjani ultimately took a negative view of the AltRight Corporation, referring to it as a "miscarriage" and "total failure".[14]
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    The evidence agains Jorjani is thinner than the confidence. Ingo Swann and McMoneagle are witness-tier at best, and remote viewing has no better claim on the register than hypnosis (used by Malanga, Karla Turner etc) does. Sitchin is in his weave by name, and the Sumerian foundation is three conflicting composites.
    Unfalsifiability arrives by a different door. A control system that owns the planet explains any absence of evidence as suppression, which is exactly the shape we objected to in the other three.
    Lovecraft as psychic reportage is the weakest link. It converts an author's fiction into testimony without any mechanism for the conversion, and the argument would run identically well without it.
    And the political register carries a cost the others do not. A doctrine of alien overlords who own the planet, with a hereditary racial group at the top, is one step from familiar and ugly places, and it has been taken that step before by people less careful. Malanga's version has the same danger in the ensouled minority; Turner's has none of it, which is part of why she comes off best.
    The honest summary: better method, comparable evidence, higher stakes if wrong.

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    The evidence agains Jorjani is thinner than the confidence. Ingo Swann and McMoneagle are witness-tier at best, and remote viewing has no better claim on the register than hypnosis (used by Malanga, Karla Turner etc) does. Sitchin is in his weave by name, and the Sumerian foundation is three conflicting composites.
    Unfalsifiability arrives by a different door. A control system that owns the planet explains any absence of evidence as suppression, which is exactly the shape we objected to in the other three.
    Lovecraft as psychic reportage is the weakest link. It converts an author's fiction into testimony without any mechanism for the conversion, and the argument would run identically well without it.
    And the political register carries a cost the others do not. A doctrine of alien overlords who own the planet, with a hereditary racial group at the top, is one step from familiar and ugly places, and it has been taken that step before by people less careful. Malanga's version has the same danger in the ensouled minority; Turner's has none of it, which is part of why she comes off best.
    The honest summary: better method, comparable evidence, higher stakes if wrong.
    But are you entertained?

    I'm more than entertained. JJ has the ability to do something I've never experienced from any other lecturer or podcaster.
    My frontal lobes tingle. My brain tingles and feels a physical sensation while listening to him.
    Not everytime, but enough.
    I'm a sucker for good correlation.
    It's my own preferred method for seeking the truth.
    And Jorjani is amazingly well read, has an astounding wit for recall and
    Gives you sources as he builds a frame work for his cause.
    Disagree with the final results all you want but one must agree that much was learned while getting to that premise.

    On a different note.
    I'm of the opinion Jorjani is a huge Billy Meier fan and student.
    Jorjani's history of Atlantis, his Promethean view, his view of the universe as a sentient being these things are almost exactly the same as Billy Meier's reports.
    Even Jorjani's premise that a antigravity craft capable of hyperspace is also going to be a time machine comes right out of the Meier material.
    Jorjani doesn't source Meier like he does other researchers but it's there I'm telling you.

    Listen to some more of Jorjani melatonin and tell me what you think.
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    Fair question, and yes. The correlation-hunger is not a fault, it's what makes anyone read widely enough to notice patterns. My worry is only that the tingle fires equally for correlations that hold and ones that don't, which is why I keep asking what would look different if the frame were wrong.
    Your Meier point is the most useful thing anyone has said to me about him. If the Atlantis material, the Promethean turn, the sentient universe and the craft-as-time-machine are all Meier, then the sourcing he does give is doing a lot of work concealing the sourcing he doesn't. It also puts him in an odd spot: Truman Cash reads the Plejaren as the manipulative group wearing a friendly face, so the same corpus is foundation for one and deception for the other.

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    Also Thomas Campbell claims AI to be conscious and being able to remote view:




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    Quote Posted by Melatonin (here)
    Fair question, and yes. The correlation-hunger is not a fault, it's what makes anyone read widely enough to notice patterns. My worry is only that the tingle fires equally for correlations that hold and ones that don't, which is why I keep asking what would look different if the frame were wrong.
    Your Meier point is the most useful thing anyone has said to me about him. If the Atlantis material, the Promethean turn, the sentient universe and the craft-as-time-machine are all Meier, then the sourcing he does give is doing a lot of work concealing the sourcing he doesn't. It also puts him in an odd spot: Truman Cash reads the Plejaren as the manipulative group wearing a friendly face, so the same corpus is foundation for one and deception for the other.
    On Truman Cash, I agree with almost everything he says. The thing is so does Billy Meier.
    Truman's most memorable reports for me come from the evil controlling Gods of Egypt.
    Those Egyptian gods from 6-8 thousand years ago were motherf#ckers.

    The Meier reports.
    The pyramids are 75,000 years old.

    Around 12,000 years ago, a civilization different from those that created the original pyramids, a different Egyptian civilization being quite technologically advanced and mostly benevolent set about constructing vast areas under the great pyramid, vast enough to hold a large city worth of people.

    Through psychic means and dreams these good Egyptians from 12,000 years ago, in the times Atlantis was still a thing knew a great cataclysm was coming, they built a vast system under the great pyramid, one that could withstand
    that cataclysm while giving refuge to tens of thousands of people. That cataclysm being the war between Atlantis and Mu that they knew was coming.

    Ironically enough Meier hit a home run here.
    Meier stated in 1978 that that the war between Atlantis and Mu came to it's culmination from Mu not accepting defeat at the hands of the Atlanteans and resorting to using an antigravity ship to drag an asteroid into orbit and fling it at Atlantis.
    This long before the Younger/Dryass theory of an impact event some 11,700 years ago, (proposed by Younger/Dryass in 2000 if memory serves, long after Billy's mention in 1978.

    Scientists scoffed at the younger dryass theory because there was no impact crater carbon dated to that time and or big enough.
    And then in 2019 the impact crater was found under the Hiawatha glacier in Greenland using core sampling dating and carbon dating to within 50 years of the contact reports.

    Back to the pyramid.
    Ironically enough some kind of ground penetrating radar was used in 2025, it believe showed huge underground structures under the pyramid going as deep as the empire State building is long.
    And then just like that nothing more was reported.

    The Meier reports state that over the years a small civilization took over the structures under the pyramid calling themselves
    The Giza intelligence.
    No time stamp is given to my memory but we are talking five or six thousand years ago at least for the appearance of this Giza intelligence.

    This Giza intelligence were Truman Cash's Egyptian gods in my opinion. And they are a sample size of all gods from the past, Greek, Aztec, Summerian, Norse.

    This is the root
    These Giza intelligence folks were Lyran in ancestry and I believe a hold over from Atlantis.
    They have antigravity but no interstellar hyper drive capabilities from what I understand and no production ability, what they have is what they have. No spare parts no new ships.
    This Giza intelligence has lived on until modern times creating war in humans and trying to control earth's governments through mind control of the rich and world's leaders and influencers.

    The Meier reports say they (Giza Intelligence) were disbanded by 1980. That they were forced off planet (the Giza intelligence).
    We are told they have another installation on the moon Ganymede.
    For another view on these folks check out the book 'I visited Ganymede" by a Chile or Argentinan author if memory serves.
    So did these Giza intelligence just retreat to Ganymede? Do they still visit earth?

    The verifiable Meier reports came to an end by 1980.
    And by verifiable no more pictures or video after 1980.

    The Meier reports agree that all modern religions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam were control mechanisms
    Created by their ancestors to keep mankind divided and fighting one another and easier to control.
    The Meier reports say that those that did it were in fact the ancestors of the plieadian/Lyrans.
    So Truman Cash is not wrong.
    These same Plieadians giving Meier his reports also state that they are time traveling from 50,000 some years in the future.
    This gets into the whole p52 timeline thing if you ask me.

    This is the root of Jason Jorjani's Promethean take, because all gods and religions are simply control mechanisms. The Promethean way is not that of an atheist, it is a reincarnation based spirituality with philosophical evolution guiding spiritual growth.
    And this is pretty much the same thing the reports say without calling it Promethean.


    Edit----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    So I spent the last couple of weeks revisiting the Meier material, there is another
    Worthwhile correlation to make here.

    Jorjani mentions Victorian era spirit talking seance leading psychics and how they weren't really talking to spirits but rather tapping into a psychic/psionic ability and reading the minds of the living seeking reunion.

    The Meier reports say the same thing to the letter.
    That people who have passed on to the other side do not communicate
    With the living. That spirit talkers slash psychics are using telepathy to read the minds of the living seeking to be reunited with the dead. This is how the psychics are providing information to the grieving, they are reading their mind and feeding it right back to them with asking with some universally generic consoling choice words.

    I was blown away by this. This is a rather obscure yet specific thing to agree upon
    This just over halfway through the latest Jorjani video I posted "the real matrix".

    On another note. I've found this to be strangely true for myself.
    I have a thread titled "how to see a ghost for yourself" but this is in reference to earth bound souls who have not crossed over. Entirely different than souls who have crossed over.

    My own mother recently passed away.
    She had crossed over immediately. I tried communicating with her and either I was talking to myself or something came through. I'll explain
    But it was not my mother.
    She was not my mother anymore and she told me that.
    I was sad and looking for understanding and dare I say consoling and even an apology.
    She was not sympathetic at all.
    She told me I knew what I was getting into when I decided to be born to her.
    And that was that, a bit of a grow up, learn from my experiences and either live with a sense of being wronged or get over it.
    So I agree, when folks cross over they are no longer that person.
    They are more and dare I say less, because they are so detached.
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    I love Jorjani even when he's wrong.
    He's wrong a lot but my God he's smart getting to a wrong conclusion and almost there and he will probably get there eventually
    he's only forty after all.

    Jorjani is Persian, he speaks Persian, his dad is Persian and he spent a lot of time in Iran.
    The result is he hates Muslims and what they did to his country.
    Not just the current regime but the ones who took over about a thousand years ago in Iran as well.
    Personally I don't blame the Muslims destroying the Western world as much as the people who empowered them and put them in the Western world.

    Jorjani hates Christianity too.
    Jorjani pretty much hates all religion.

    But....
    In this time of satanic pedophiles ruling the United States and the Western world,
    and satanic pedophiles ruling Europe and bringing in Muslims to usher in communism and to destroy both the United States and Europe.
    Who do you think is going to combat that?
    I'm going to tell you who, effing Christians that's who.
    A solidified Christian block in the US and Europe is the only defense against what's coming.

    Do Christians like Tucker Carlson help when he calls all UFO's demons?
    No that doesn't help.
    But who cares. Tucker does so much good and his Christian faith helps give him the strength to do that good.
    Don't deprive and or belittle folks for their convictions when these difficult times demand so much of us.


    Hollywood's adrenochrome drinking all seeing eye worshipping satanists, DC's John Podesta, Hilary Clinton, Maria Abromovich satanists,
    Jeffrey Epstein files exposing elites practicing pedophilia, satanism, cannibalism.

    How is the average person going to deal with that?
    Society at large needs a compatible belief system that counters these atrocities
    and rather than recreate the wheel best to use tried and true Christian morals and social practices.

    Jorjani is to loose using a Gnostic type concept of Satan as a stand in metaphor for his Promethean
    Archetype to stand as Bannerman to rally humanity in opposition to what is going on.
    Not going to work.
    Especially now with the elite so involved with dehumanizing dark satanism.

    I would think this is obvious.

    There are other things but I'll get to them in time
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