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    Default Why Would an Alien Craft Use Hex Bolts?

    Hi everyone,
    There has been recent discussion around Joe Jordan’s work on abductions, and similar remarks from Tucker Carlson, suggesting that the UFO phenomenon may not fit the ordinary “visitors from another planet” story.

    https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/joe-jordan...nation-1820939



    Here is a passage I came across in the notes of a little-known Russian design engineer and contactee from the late 1990s. She kept detailed records of her contacts and tried to interpret the phenomenon from a technical point of view rather than a religious or mystical one:

    Quote Not very long ago, I came across a letter from a woman somewhere in the press. She is absolutely convinced that UFOs exist, but that all of them are manufactured on Earth by ordinary people at secret factories. Where does such a strange conviction come from? Once, when she was just a little girl, she saw a 'saucer' hovering in the forest over a lake and managed to get so close to it that she could examine the hull. The hull was assembled with our earthly hex-head bolts. To her, the thought that super-advanced civilizations could use such a purely earthly anachronism as bolts seems far too incredible.
    She is absolutely right. Nowhere in Cosmos would it ever cross anyone's mind to assemble the hulls of spacecraft with bolts. What she saw is indeed not a product of super-advanced civilizations.
    But the funniest thing is that not a single earthly design bureau would ever risk assembling the hull of an aircraft—or any other vehicle, for that matter—with bolts. This was exactly what she, not being a specialist, did not know. The hull is a load-bearing structure, and assembling it with bolts means exposing the pilot to deadly danger, since during a hard landing, the bolts can be shorn off, and then the hull will collapse like a house of cards, snapping shut like a mousetrap on both the crew and the passengers. Here on Earth, we use welding in such cases, and if the parts cannot be welded, we use rivets which, when bucked, fill the entire hole, keeping them from being shorn off even during the hardest landing.
    Perhaps we possess some other new technologies, but bolts... even for us, this is old hat from the century before last, since under vibrations, threaded connections happen to unscrew on their own. Assembling a bridge over a river with bolts is fine, but as for the body of an automobile—that is highly questionable. This was known even in pre-revolutionary Russia, which is why the hulls of marine vessels back then were already made with rivets (though today it is welding).
    So, what did that woman actually see? A common imitation. Those bolts were never screwed in by anyone, and no one will ever unscrew them, because they are molded as a single whole with the hull—just like the nuts on the wheels of plastic toy cars. There might be a steering wheel inside, a tank, and headlights, all looking exactly like the real thing. But... it is a toy.
    She also noted a related paradox regarding the choice of candidates for abductions:

    Quote For a long time now, all the ufologists on Earth are perplexed by why the aliens make such a strange choice of candidates, whom they 'took for a ride and returned.' People of science, people seriously studying the paranormal, and even simply people with a higher education—let alone two—are invited to ride on a flying saucer extremely rarely. On the other hand, people with below-average intelligence and children are the favorite passengers.
    Everything is correct. Such passengers may be more or less observant, but they will easily swallow any nonsense about anything they are told. But just try explaining to a graduate of a physics and technology institute what kind of fuel a saucer runs on when it… has no engine at all, and other things in that same vein. That's why here, in the sky above us, UFOs are scurrying around, invitingly blinking their lights, flying yet unable to fly.
    I translated her notes into English in full. You can read the complete text on archive.org

    https://archive.org/details/elena-pe...-cheese-lovers

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    She also noted a related paradox regarding the choice of candidates for abductions:

    Quote For a long time now, all the ufologists on Earth are perplexed by why the aliens make such a strange choice of candidates, whom they 'took for a ride and returned.' People of science, people seriously studying the paranormal, and even simply people with a higher education—let alone two—are invited to ride on a flying saucer extremely rarely. On the other hand, people with below-average intelligence and children are the favorite passengers.
    Everything is correct. Such passengers may be more or less observant, but they will easily swallow any nonsense about anything they are told. But just try explaining to a graduate of a physics and technology institute what kind of fuel a saucer runs on when it… has no engine at all, and other things in that same vein. That's why here, in the sky above us, UFOs are scurrying around, invitingly blinking their lights, flying yet unable to fly.
    This contradicts what John E. Mack found out. He says in his books and in interviews, if I remember correctly, that the abductees, also his clients or patients, were a mix of society from from 'all walks of life'. This includes high-brow intellectuals and scientists, doctors, engineers, etc. He also said that most of them were 'sane' from a psychological and clinical viewpoint.

    Here's from the Google AI summary:

    Quote Overview of John E. Mack's Work

    Background: Mack was a respected head of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School and won a Pulitzer Prize for his biography of T.E. Lawrence, A Prince of Our Disorder, in 1976.

    Investigation: Beginning around 1989, he investigated over 100 cases of individuals claiming alien encounters and used hypnotherapy and extensive interviews to study their accounts.
    The Book: He published his findings in the 1994 bestselling book Abduction: Human Encounters with Aliens, which detailed common patterns among experiencers.

    Key Aspects of Reported Abductions

    Common Elements: Experiencers frequently reported paralysis by an energy or blue light, floating through solid walls into craft, and undergoing intense physical examinations or reproductive/hybridization procedures.

    Psychological Evaluation: Mack found that the abductees were generally free of mental illness, delusions, or hallucinations, noting a striking consistency across independent accounts.

    Spiritual/Transformational View: Rather than viewing the phenomenon purely through a nuts-and-bolts extraterrestrial lens, Mack interpreted it as a profound psychological and spiritual awakening that challenges human identity and our place in the universe.
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    I honestly fail to see what 'spirituality' has to do with the mechanical engineering of a spacecraft. If all these high-brow scientists, doctors, and engineers John Mack interviewed were genuinely interacting with advanced physical technology, why did they all suddenly get so shy? Why didn't a single one of them think to ask the most basic, logical questions: What type of engine does this craft use? What kind of fuel or propulsion system manages to bend space-time? Instead of bringing back solid, verifiable data on advanced physics or alien chemistry, these brilliant minds brought back vague stories about 'reproductive procedures' and New Age spiritual awakenings. Why?
    It throws them a bone of 'mystical revelation' so they don't notice they are being shown a technical illusion.

    And by the way, regarding this whole hybridization narrative—we on Earth can't even successfully breed a horse with a zebra without running into genetic dead ends. Why don't these advanced alien geneticists show us a hybrid of a cat and a dog first, before trying to cross a human with an extraterrestrial? As it stands, they have absolutely nothing to show to humanity except for playing doctor.

    Ufologists are scratching their heads in bewilderment, while physicists are racking their brains over the hyper-development of 'their' civilization. Meanwhile, a contactee, who was taken for a ride on this UFO, is certain that they quickly dashed to a neighboring galaxy and back in a couple of minutes. After all, that is exactly what they communicated to him!!! What’s more, via a telepathic method, no less. In unaccented Russian or English!

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    And here is another curious case recorded by Russian ufologist Alexey Priyma, regarding anomalous phenomena in the USSR in the city of Taganrog in 1945. A curious detail: at that time, the concept of a "UFO" did not yet exist, which is why the protagonist of the story uses the word "frying pan" to describe the unidentified object.

    Quote Barefoot Pilot
    In the summer of 1945, I. Chebotarev from the city of Taganrog, Rostov Region, was nine years old. On that memorable day he went fishing, hoping to catch some fish for dinner. The fish were biting eagerly, and before long the boy had nearly a full bucket.
    This was on the shore of the Taganrog Bay of the Sea of Azov.
    Just as he was about to head home, an enormous frying pan without a handle dropped from the sky. I. Chebotarev recalls:
    “It hit the water so hard that spray shot up in all directions. I was soaked from head to foot; my clothes were dripping wet… The ‘frying pan’ was about five meters across. Its body had a metallic sheen. I don’t know why, but I wasn’t afraid.
    When the water settled, the object lay quietly on a sandy shoal, barely covered by water, only a few meters from where I had been fishing.
    I took a couple of steps forward and tried to reach it with my fishing rod, but couldn’t.
    Then bubbles began to rise around the ‘frying pan.’ After that a ‘fellow’ climbed out of it — that’s what I called him at the time. He was wearing silver clothing, something like a coverall.
    The ‘fellow’ jumped from the ‘frying pan’ into the water and walked across the shallows to the shore. Once on dry ground he stopped six or seven meters from me. His head was completely hidden under an opaque oval helmet: above his shoulders rose something like a jar made of dark tinted glass. In one hand he held a blue stone, and on a cord around his neck hung a small pouch.
    He stood frozen on the sand — silent, motionless. I stood rooted to the spot as well, waiting for him to say something. Two minutes passed, then three, then four… The stranger kept silent. My patience ran out. I asked:
    —‘Where are you from? The Moon?’
    The answer did not come at once, but it did come. After a long pause the ‘fellow’ with the dark glass jar on his shoulders finally spoke — in clear Russian.
    —‘No,’—he said.
    —‘I am from another planet.’
    —‘What is your planet called?’
    My oddly dressed companion seemed not to hear the question. Instead of answering, he said — again after a long pause:
    —‘Earth people have surprises waiting for them — ones they will be very glad of.’
    Burning with curiosity, I asked:
    —‘Please tell me about your planet.’
    The ‘fellow’ ignored that remark as well. He pointed to the ‘frying pan’ and then offered:
    —‘If you want, come into my ship. Soon you will be on my planet.’
    His inviting gesture and offer did not appeal to me at all. Here, you understand, were nearly two dozen fat, sizeable fish waiting to be taken home. Mother would clean them and start frying them… And this character with a jar on his shoulders was inviting me to set off on an interplanetary journey at once. Who knew how long it would last or when I would get back. By then the fish might have spoiled and would have to be thrown away. Then I would have to catch new ones. And while we were traveling and while I was later catching more fish, Mother would be worn out with worry. She would sigh and look at the clock, wondering where I had gone.
    No, that turn of events did not suit me.
    —‘I don’t want to fly with you!’ —I said in a loud, even slightly defiant voice. And I explained:
    —‘I have to go home. Mother is waiting for me. We are going to fry the fish. Here they are — see? — in the bucket. I just caught them.’
    —‘A pity you don’t want to,’ —the ‘fellow’ muttered. With that he turned and walked unhurriedly back toward his ‘frying pan.’
    At the moment he entered the water I noticed he was not wearing shoes. I remember that struck me. A ‘Martian,’ the captain of an interplanetary spaceship — and barefoot! His bare feet ended in large toes, exactly like ours.
    A little short of his craft the ‘fellow’ paused.
    —‘If you want,’ —he said, —‘you may tell anyone about our meeting. But remember — no one will believe you. Goodbye.’
    The ‘fellow’ climbed onto the ‘frying pan’ and disappeared inside it. He must have entered through some hatch in the upper part, invisible to me.
    The ‘frying pan’ moved. It drifted away from the shallow shoal and did not take off into the air, as I expected, but… sank. In other words, it behaved like a submarine plunging rapidly into the depths.
    I picked up the bucket of fish and went home…”
    You just can't help but ask: why are aliens being taught the Russian language, yet they aren't provided with shoes for interplanetary travel? Can you imagine an astronaut who, upon stepping out onto an unfamiliar planet, takes off their shoes but keeps their helmet on?

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    I will allow myself to quote a bit from the book of design engineer Elena Perepelkina, The Mystery of the Supreme Mind 2, in which she comments on a case of a typical alien abduction. The link to the book is in the first post.

    Quote "The most disgusting example of fake alien visits came across my desk in the newspaper 'Oracle' No. 3 for 1998. Everything in this story is so typical and so indicative that I will provide the article from this newspaper by Vladimir Azhazha almost in its entirety. The comments in parentheses will be mine. The article concerns a 42-year-old woman, Tatyana Anatolyevna V. (T.A.V.—initials, hereinafter in the text). She has a husband and four children, but this does not prevent 'otherworldly' strangers from disrupting her peace.

    ...A blue light and the smell of ozone—that was what usually woke her up in the middle of the night. And this time, upon seeing two five-foot-tall 'persons,' she was not surprised: they had started coming to her a long time ago, ever since 1979. But these two had completely lifeless faces, and behind each one's left ear was a small box-antenna.

    —'You will come with us. Do not fear, we will return you soon, no harm will be done,'—chimed monotonously inside her head.
    Clearly, these were not the aliens themselves, but robots; arguing with them was usually useless. Although every now and then, some idiotic retort, such as:
    —'And shouldn't I paint your back with jam too?'—would throw them off, and they would beat a retreat empty-handed.

    (Do not let the box with an antenna throw you off. You too can attach a small box to your side with a knitting needle sticking out of it, but that will not make you a robot. A monotonous voice sounding inside one's head... even our science fiction writers haven't thought of that yet; it doesn't even cross their minds that a ROBOT could enter into a TELEPATHIC contact with a LIVING HUMAN!)

    But this time, T.A.V., without entering into altercations, stepped into the circle of yellow light in the middle of the room. A door opened right in mid-air, revealing a corridor behind it…

    (Typical light effects, and by the way, the door opened not into a spaceship, but into a friedmon. Yet it was a door that opened, not an airlock… can you imagine an alien spaceship with doors?)

    In a large, bright room, they laid her onto a table surrounded by a multitude of devices; her legs and arms were secured with bracelets, and a helmet with a multitude of wires and tubes was placed on her head. A soft voice resounded inside her head:
    —'Fear nothing, we are merely researching you for a close acquaintance with you Earthlings. There will be no pain.'
    T.A.V. lost consciousness and regained consciousness only to find that... it would have been better if she hadn't! Right in front of her, she saw the terrifying, toad-like face of a green creature that was lying on top of her and attempting to commit a sexual act. She fell into a severe hysterical fit, screaming…

    (Follow along with the quotation. She lost consciousness... And what else could she have possibly done so that her soul could leave the body and confer? She fell into a severe hysterical fit, screaming... But what about 'No harm will be done' and 'There will be no pain'? So much for their promises…)

    T.A.V. regained consciousness again already inside a small room with ordinary furniture, on a sofa. Sitting nearby was a woman who looked like an ordinary woman from Earth, yet was unearthly beautiful. The woman explained that they, the robots, had mistakenly abducted her, T.A.V., while having a mission to deliver a woman with a psycho-emotional personality type like hers from this region. Which was exactly what they did. As for the 'toad'—he was a humanoid, in many ways resembling humans. The subject of their research was the sexual emotions of earthly women.

    (The ordinary room with ordinary furniture is just precious. Check out the exhibition works of our furniture designers... And here, creatures passing themselves off as some extraterrestrial civilization possess ordinary Earthly furniture? Furniture is familiar to them, but sexual emotions are not. Is that so? Can't you feel how all of this is clumsily put together? Of course, furniture is easier to copy since they do not have, and never have had, designers of their own. They didn't even manufacture it. They simply plagiarized it from us. Meanwhile, the woman of 'unearthly beauty' is a fairly frequent character in their myth-making. Aside from a self-evident attractiveness to our men, these 'Aelitas' (a reference to the Martian princess from the 1923 sci-fi novel Aelita by Aleksey Tolstoy) possess no other weapon. And no trump cards either, since everything she communicated is not worth a broken penny. A fake from the first word to the last.)

    —'We need your emotions,’—she explained.
    —‘The latest research has shown that the most valuable energy comes from emotions linked to sexual experiences. This energy is easy to register and collect; you humans are capable of engaging in sex without any feelings at all. And love is so important…’

    (It remains unclear whether 'without feelings' means when you fell into a severe hysterical fit, refusing to be raped?.. And is love when you get sucked, not only without your consent being asked, but without them even introducing themselves? Here on Earth, trying to commit a sexual act with an unconscious woman is considered a perversion. How do T.A.V.’s ears even withstand such a load of baloney? T.A.V. apparently believed the 'unearthly beautiful woman' and even felt shame for humans who can engage in sex without feelings. Because feelings, you see, are so important that aliens came from who knows where just to harvest our sexual energy.)

    And so, about two months later, T.A.V. saw a tall man sitting on a chair by her bed, wearing tight-fitting clothes that clung to his body, with a metallic helmet decorated with glittering gemstones on his head. His face was handsome, his body powerful and muscular, but, as she later saw, covered in short hairs, as if with fur. He spoke aloud in Russian, not telepathically, as the humanoids had done before. Then he pressed a button on a small box he was holding in his hands, and a door opened in the wall, revealing the familiar corridor behind it…

    (This is already a more interesting scenario. An attractive man... an 'Aelita in reverse'—a male version of Aelita… a small box with a button... the absence of telepathic contact... body hair like fur... one can sense an extraordinary imagination on the part of these 'aliens'.)

    The sex was no different from an ordinary earthly one. Full-fledged intimacy, a semblance of feeling, arose only the fourth time. When she felt pleasure, her partner strangely contorted and groaned:
    —'Hands! Give me your hands! Quick!'
    She didn't understand, didn't give him her hands, and an awkward situation ensued. He explained to her that as soon as she felt an orgasm approaching, she had to place her hands palm-up on the bed.
    At the moment of the next pleasure, she did exactly that. And paid dearly. He pressed his palms against hers—and through her fingers, 'liquid fire' began to flow into her. She screamed in pain and shook her hands. From the 'fire' surging through all her veins, she began to contort.

    (This is difficult to comment on. There is not enough information. Perhaps this 'Aelita-Man' wanted to show off, and so he shared a 'divine spark.' Truth be told, the emotional world of entities is poorer than ours, and how love plays out for them, I do not know. Nothing prevents them from mistaking... short circuits for feelings.)

    A woman of unearthly beauty, already familiar to her, entered the room and sprayed something into her face. T.A.V. went limp, collapsed to the floor, and slowly losing consciousness, she heard:
    —'What do you think you are doing! This is a subordinate creature! Your energy could have killed her. You could have ruined many years of our labor. They live for such a short time…'

    (A blatant, hundred-percent theater. Can you imagine an enraged Frenchwoman who angrily scolds an Italian... in Russian? I certainly cannot! In moments like that, an angry person either uses their native language, or, if they are fluent, the language of the person they are reprimanding. But absolutely not a third language! This is a clear play to the audience. And why? Because neither he nor she knows any language other than Russian. Our language is native to them too. By the way, do you now understand why this 'Aelita-Man' did not use a telepathic connection? Simply because, according to the script, T.A.V. was supposed to AS IF overhear the 'aliens' discussing her and humanity.)

    But the 'green stranger,' the one resembling a toad, did not forget her either. Once, he appeared to T.A.V. right at her home, paralyzed her with something resembling a syringe, and lay on top of her. After the rape, the 'green' one stood up, hissed something, and disappeared. Soon after, she felt that she was pregnant. Naturally, she was in shock. But one day she woke up. Again, there was the blue light, and at her bedside stood that very same woman and two others. The woman said that the rape and pregnancy had been 'unplanned,' and that they had come to liquidate the consequences. Using a tube-like device, they performed something akin to an abortion on T.A.V. The operation was painless and virtually bloodless.

    (This, excuse me, is an absolute circus. First of all, everything was planned. Secondly, feeling pregnant and actually being pregnant are not the same thing. It remains unclear whether a pregnancy actually took place or if it was merely a simulated pregnancy. And although I have come across claims in the press many times that aliens are cross-fertile with us, I dare to assure you that this is not the case. Even mammalian species that are closely related are not cross-fertile. If it were possible, bestiality would have yielded such hybrids that it wouldn't even dream of in a nightmare. But no. This does not happen. Is it possible to get pregnant from an entity? From the entity itself—no, but with the help of the fraud inherent to entities—quite possibly. But from an extraterrestrial, via ORDINARY sex—most certainly not! The story is shock content no matter how you look at it: they were interested in energy—it resulted in a pregnancy; they were interested in emotions—it resulted in an abortion. And who is the Supreme Mind here? And one question for our dear psychics. Right now, they are vehemently campaigning to ban abortions, claiming that something 'subtle-energetic' remains in the uterus, which badly affects both sexual partners, and that in the next world, abortions are punishable. So, it turns out: what is forbidden to us is permitted to the rapists 'from over there'?)

    And yet, she experienced a fleeting but wondrous moment of 'unearthly love.'
    (It's enough to move one to tears!)"
    It is blindingly obvious that these "aliens" made a major tactical error. Instead of abducting an ordinary woman living in the USSR, they should have targeted two American "alphysicists" from the Montauk Project—Duncan Cameron and Al Bielek. Why? Because those two were apparently tearing open time tunnels back in the 1980s using pure sexual energy. Don't believe me? I quote:

    Quote "Initially… a living human was necessary who would create passages in time and keep them open by means of CONCENTRATION OF THOUGHT."

    More?

    "Somehow Duncan's conscious thinking (a key participant in the experiment who created passages 'in time' with his thought) was suppressed by means of SEXUAL arousal."

    (Well, how on earth can a puncture in time be achieved without engaging sexuality? The connection between time, sexuality, and concentration of thought is such a rare gem of anti-physics…)

    More?

    "Now he (Bielek) was brought in, hoping to obtain from him a METAPHYSICAL interpretation of what happens to people when they are exposed to the radiation. Bielek was not only a highly qualified engineer, but he also possessed a high PSYCHIC sensitivity, as well as remarkable knowledge in the ESOTERIC field."

    (It’s a pity they didn't invite black and white magic sorcerers; then the electrical equipment wouldn't have been needed at all.)

    ...These are the "time tunnels" that theoretical physicists had dreamed up. I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that there were arrows and even signs in those tunnels, just like in a subway system, written in unaccented English, showing where to turn and which year was where. The American "alphysicists" didn't even realize that they were dealing with typical paranormality, and not with the laws of physics at all.

    But a time corridor where one can walk to any year on foot without a problem is not the strangest thing they had there. It is far more strange that these tunnels were filled with air, and had a humidity and temperature that were optimal for the human organism; consequently, someone was ventilating, heating, and humidifying them… Yet all these "trifles" for some reason did not surprise any of the experiment's participants.

    ...As long as we needed scary horned devils, many people saw them; now, the "demand" is for "entities," extraterrestrials, and UFOs.
    Elena Perepelkina in her book draws attention to the fact that most of the contacts with "aliens and UFOs" have all the signs of ordinary paranormality that requires serious scientific and technical study, rather than a psychological and spiritual awakening and a Spiritual/Transformational View.

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    Quote Posted by Aleksandr (here)
    I honestly fail to see what 'spirituality' has to do with the mechanical engineering of a spacecraft. If all these high-brow scientists, doctors, and engineers John Mack interviewed were genuinely interacting with advanced physical technology, why did they all suddenly get so shy? Why didn't a single one of them think to ask the most basic, logical questions: What type of engine does this craft use? What kind of fuel or propulsion system manages to bend space-time? Instead of bringing back solid, verifiable data on advanced physics or alien chemistry, these brilliant minds brought back vague stories about 'reproductive procedures' and New Age spiritual awakenings. Why?
    It throws them a bone of 'mystical revelation' so they don't notice they are being shown a technical illusion.
    I think (and from what I've read so far) the main reason for all (or most) of these people (high-brow or not) to keep quiet is social stigma and traumatization.
    They still want to be functioning members of their societies (countries). Most have also a problem with their belief systems they had (some religious, some 'scientific') and also suffer from cognitive dissonance then. Many want to deny it and not 'come out' officially although deep inside they know that there is 'some' truth to their experiences (it is not only abductions but other encounters and 'visits' too). Due to the trauma their main interest is not getting technology or whatever, although I've read accounts where some people indeed wonder about their abilities. Their main issue is getting over their "PTSD", some even want to forget it entirely. Some want to integrate it into their daily life but struggle to do so.

    A similar picture about abductees and contactees you can get from Ardy Sixkiller Clarke who investigated accounts from Native American people, and they are a lot. Most of these people also did not want to talk about it in the firstplace and had to be convinced to tell their experiences. All of these accounts are thus anonymous where their names and addresses have been changed.

    I've read four of her books and they are fascinating. Here is a post I made about it:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1697420

    Here is a part of this long post quoted:

    Quote Ms Ardy Sixkiller Clarke now has not one but four of these books out. And one of them is also about Mesoamerica where she travelled a route through 4 countries always with a tour guide and native (Belize, Honduras, Guatemala, and Mexico).

    Many of the indigenous tribal people in Mesoamerica see themselves still as 'Maya', so she calls them this way in the books. In North America she uses the term American Indians instead of Native Americans, also in self-reference as a half-Cherokee woman. She also claims that many of them call themselves this way (although the tribal name is the first-choice label for them of course). In her work she also differentiates between on- and off-reservation ('reservation vs. 'urban') Native Americans. Therefore each group a single book is dedicated to.

    Note that she is not one of the regression therapists. She just interviews people who remember all or most of this stuff without hypnosis.

    Here is the list in chronological order from goodreads:

    Encounters with Star People: Untold Stories of American Indians
    Sky People: Untold Stories of Alien Encounters in Mesoamerica
    More Encounters with Star People: Urban American Indians Tell Their Stories
    Space Age Indians: Their Encounters with the Blue Men, Reptilians, and Other Star People


    https://www.goodreads.com/author/sho...xkiller_Clarke

    Quote Dr Clarke, Professor Emeritus at Montana State University, has dedicated her life & career to working with indigenous populations. She's the author of several children's books & the bestselling 'Sisters in the Blood'. Retired from academia, she continues to work as a consultant to indigenous communities worldwide. See her www.sixkiller.com website.
    Regarding her website mentioned: Not sure if she is still active or even alive since she has not yet updated her page with her latest and fourth book on the topic, anyway here it is:

    http://www.sixkiller.com/

    Quote ABOUT THE AUTHOR
    Dr. Ardy Sixkiller Clarke brings to the field of ufology degrees in history, English, psychology, and educational leadership and a background as a teacher, university professor, junior college and university administrator, licensed therapist and psychologist, and social science researcher. As a Professor Emeritus at Montana State University and former Director of the Center for Bilingual/Multicultural Education, Dr. Clarke, who is Cherokee/Choctaw, has worked with indigenous people for most of her career. Her first book in the field of ufology was the best-seller Encounters With Star People: Untold Stories of American Indians. She is also the author of twelve children's' books and the best-selling academic text: Sisters in the Blood: The Education of Women in Native America. She lives in the middle of the Rocky Mountains in Big Sky Montana.
    As of now, I have finished two of her books ('Sky People', 'Urban American Indians') and am reading the third book ('Space Age Indians') currently half-way through. They are all page-turners! Unfortunately the very first book on reservation dwellers ('Star People') is not available as ebook (I have a Kindle and Tolino) and also out of print with a high price to purchase, but her other three books are easy to get as paperback and ebook.

    So... what's my take on it?

    In short:

    My mind is blown and I recommend all of her books - even those (parts) not yet read.

    Long version:

    Even though before I have read, seen and heard a lot about 'encounters', abductions, sightings, telepathic/mind contact/influence, etc., and even had one encounter myself (but only on the astral plane) I am still impressed by the sheer number and content of the reports she has gathered over the many years. Actually, so she says, it is far over 1000 and she would have even much more with all of the non-Native-Americans who contacted her (because they read her work) also counted in.

    I've also recently (and finally!) read Whitley Strieber's 'classic' Communion and started Dr. John Mack's Abduction, a lengthy but worthwhile exposé from a psychologist and scientist. Therefore I am kind of well-read on the topic (including other UFO literature and some Avalon forum threads of course) - and yet I am still totally mesmerized by her books. It's more than a topping on the cake. For me it is the 'go-to' or 'must-have' for a collection of ET encounter cases of all kinds.

    So there must indeed be a special and long-standing connection between 'indigenous' people of the Americas (North and South) and 'ET/aliens', reaching back to pre-historic times perhaps. They also have lots of legends which are touched upon sometimes in the books, but the chapters are all about recent and/or childhood encounters of the indigenous contactees, as remembered.

    You can further group these experiences into all kinds of categories. Some are classical abductions, some are encounters and even regular (!) visits, just like the ETs are part of the larger 'family'. Some also involve abducted animals (believe it or not: even a crocodile is witnessed to be taken on board a UFO from a lake with a 'tractor beam' and then later even brought back). In South America some women were made pregnant (not in the North though, interestingly) and then it was undone (the babies taken away again on a subsequent abduction months later).

    All are the kinds of 'stories' we know already in different forms and shapes from other sources, although some are very special. Moreover here it comes with a certain quality of 'understanding' and 'history' and with a common thread that is seemingly not as pertinent to non-indigenous people(s) as to Native Americans and 'Maya' people(s).

    And then there is the vast quantity of reports. Regarding quality and morals... well, you also have it all: The good, the bad and the ugly.

    There is the entire range from hostile abductions or other kinds of 'force' over neutral encounters to very friendly (repeated) encounters and even healing or 'improvement' events for the contactees.

    What is very common: Communication is always reported as instantly telepathic and no 'ET' speaks like we do to the contactees despite being otherwise physically present. Yet almost all encounters seem physical and leave physical imprints on bodies sometimes.

    What I can conclude from what I've read so far regarding the different species and races is that we have a clear distinction:

    The "good" ones really seem to be - or to be seen as - the 'Ancestors' who came here, lived here a while in very ancient times and 'seeded' this planet with the human species (or the indigenous races at least). They often are described as looking similar to the people who meet them (American Indians, Maya people). Of course, they might change appearances and we never really know how they look like in actuality.

    Then there are the intruder races (Greys, Mantis/Bugs, Reptiles) who seemingly came at a later point in time, and they are oftentimes seen as more negative and the encounters are also this way (with a few exceptions though). Some in-between humanoid looking aliens are also a mixed bag of good and bad encounters.
    The reptilians (as the fourth book shows) are the worst; so I guess David Icke is right after all?

    Surprisingly, and new to me, there is a species of humanoid 'Blue Men' dealt with in the latest book. These beings are very benign and even saved and healed some of the American Indians, e.g. some Native Americans from combat situations fighting in Iraq or in Viet Nam. And it is not only one incidence but a few more, hence it is getting corroborated several times. The 'Blues' have a blue aura and are quite muscular and 'good-looking', they are only males, although again, we can't be sure how they really look. Maybe they are energy beings just appearing this way to humans.
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