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    Default Re: 9/11: Truth Still Matters, Now Over 25 Years Later

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    Many victim families likely are unaware it exists. It should be made public.
    I think there's a lot more footage (and photographs) they're holding back, keeping under lock and key. And I don't just mean from CCTV and traffic cams that may have captured the plane/object/missile that hit the Pentagon -- all confiscated by the FBI. I'm thinking additional pieces of footage exist of both plane strikes in New York, of the burning that followed and both collapses, that we've never seen. Count Building 7 in that, too. It is entirely feasible, also, that images exist that were taken inside the towers at the time of the attacks that we're also not allowed to see. These would have been taken by people who got out in time and survived the collapse.

    ..one individual among them who is holding what looks very much like a camcorder...I can't find that footage right now, but it exists and I've seen it.
    Totally agree with the above.

    Regarding [bolded]: yes, I've seen this, and very recently too. If memory serves me well, the people seen trying to get some air hanging out of the window panes I think were Sumitomo Bank employees on the 96th floor WTC1, and one can definitely be seen holding a camcorder (or equivalent), and does appear to be filming.

    I'll see if I can track that down: its possible I may have 'saved' it via a X repost
    Ok, best I've been able to manage is via a page source hack on Reddit - Reddit is forcing ID verification for mature content re the 9/11Archive there, which I just won't do. It is also a NIST FOIA video but I can't determine the actual number for it so it may be findable (eventually!) via the very large stock of video that they hold.

    It's not very clear but it is freeze framed footage of what it is you are after. The person might be Joon Koo Kang but I wouldn't want to totally commit to that, 2nd person in from the left, I think.

    The link is here: https://v.redd.it/o9esllfjuiyb1/DASH_96.mp4

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    Thanks for the upload. Here's a better, stabilised view of it. I couldn't manage for some reason to embed this clip, which I finally managed to track down, so I uploaded it to the server. It's only 2mb.

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    Default Re: 9/11: Truth Still Matters, Now Over 25 Years Later

    Quote Posted by Mark (Star Mariner) (here)
    Thanks for the upload. Here's a better, stabilised view of it. I couldn't manage for some reason to embed this clip, which I finally managed to track down, so I uploaded it to the server. It's only 2mb.

    Splendid, well done Yes, a much better copy.

    Unrelated to the film, but an often recurring thought: I think, time permitting, that I need to try and get a better fix on how Jeffrey Epstein fitted into this whole operation. Given his close association with Lutnick he had to have been a key player; the money point-man and Mossad agent extraordinaire.
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    Is there a Epstein / 9/11 rabbit hole? I must admit I've not even glimpsed the entrance to that one. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he were a player here. One potential thread of involvement I can think of on the spot might be his possible connection to Larry Silverstein, (recent) owner of the WTC complex, who later made billions from the insurance claim, and, due to very fortuitous circumstances, wasn't in the towers that morning.

    Every morning he took breakfast in the Windows on the World restaurant at the top of the north tower. But on that morning, on 9/11, he scheduled a dentist appointment at the last moment.
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    Default Re: 9/11: Truth Still Matters, Now Over 25 Years Later

    The Machines That Built the World Trade Center (1966-1973)

    Watching this without sound at the moment but will revisit for a proper view over the weekend



    Description from the YouTube link, which I haven't embedded here - the embed is our library copy - so any of you interested do not have to put up with insufferable adverts every minute or so ( )
    In 1968, eight machines arrived in New York from the other side of the world. Australian-built kangaroo cranes, designed to sit inside the two tallest buildings ever attempted and climb them as the steel rose beneath them. America had been building skyscrapers for seventy years, but no crane in the country could reach the roof of the World Trade Center. This is the story of how the Twin Towers were built, told the way the machines saw it.

    From the demolition of Radio Row and the Italian slurry wall trick that built the famous "bathtub" seventy feet down into a riverbed, to the steel war that locked out U.S. Steel and Bethlehem, the eight Favco STD 2700 climbing cranes from Australia, the secret eye exam sway experiments, the first damper system ever installed in a skyscraper, and the puzzle nobody thinks about: how the cranes got back down. Construction history from 1966 to 1973, before the towers became a memory.

    CHAPTERS
    0:00 Eight Machines From Australia
    1:27 Clearing Radio Row
    5:32 The Bathtub and the Slurry Wall
    11:40 The Steel War
    18:31 Kangaroo Cranes Climb the Sky
    29:32 Topping Out and Coming Down

    Sources include Cranes Today, NIST, FEMA 403, George Tamaro / ASCE, Angus Kress Gillespie "Twin Towers" (Rutgers University Press), the Skyscraper Museum, PACCAR / HistoryLink, Elevator World, and the 9/11 Memorial & Museum archives. This video is an original documentary using archival material under fair use for education and commentary.
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    Default Re: 9/11: Truth Still Matters, Now Over 25 Years Later

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    Is there a Epstein / 9/11 rabbit hole? I must admit I've not even glimpsed the entrance to that one. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he were a player here. One potential thread of involvement I can think of on the spot might be his possible connection to Larry Silverstein, (recent) owner of the WTC complex, who later made billions from the insurance claim, and, due to very fortuitous circumstances, wasn't in the towers that morning.

    Every morning he took breakfast in the Windows on the World restaurant at the top of the north tower. But on that morning, on 9/11, he scheduled a dentist appointment at the last moment.
    Yup, tell me about it (Silverstein ), another shifty (and some) character

    Epstein: I'm assuming there has to be but I haven't picked up a hot trail, yet.

    Sampler:



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    Have you seen the file where Ed Epstein asks Ghislaine Maxwell if she wanted to sit on a shadow 9/11 commission "The membership list is secret". It was on the 6th Jan 2003. (https://www.justice.gov/epstein/file...TA02332458.pdf)

    The Young Turks posted a good video covering it a few days back (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtxGJdS5jSo)

    Also worth noting, Ghislaine's sister Christine Maxwell was a co-founder of Chiliad, the company that investigated the 9/11 'terrorist' attacks via their intelligence software.

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    Fun fact: Howard Lutnick was CEO of Cantor Fitzgerald at the time. All 658 employees who went to work in the WTC that day died. He happened to be taking his kid to school.

    ---

    I wonder who shorted the airline stocks just before 9/11, if a bookmaker was taking bets on it I know who my Money would be on.

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    And from here:
    Governments had ignored probing the Epstein case for decades because they knew it included more than trafficking & would implicate nearly every allied government, and then some. This is what I’ve learned so far.

    Epstein’s crimes:

    Serial rapist

    Child sex trafficking

    Intelligence asset/espionage

    Government corruption/bribery

    Blackmail/Kompromat

    Insider trading

    Money laundering

    Tax evasion

    Illegal weapons trade

    War profiteering

    Possibly murder
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    A little on Howard Lutnick, from https://www.britannica.com/money/Howard-Lutnick:

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    Cantor Fitzgerald and 9/11

    Lutnick joined Cantor Fitzgerald in 1983 right out of college. His meteoric rise left him as president and CEO in 1991, when he was just 29. Even in the cutthroat world of Wall Street, Lutnick had a reputation for playing hardball. When his mentor and Cantor Fitzgerald cofounder Bernie Cantor was dying in 1996, he managed to wrestle control of the firm away from the Cantor family.

    On the morning of September 11, 2001, Lutnick was not in his office on the 105th floor of the North Tower of the World Trade Center, because he took his son Kyle to his first day of kindergarten. None of the 658 Cantor employees who went to the office that day survived. Of the 2,753 people who died in the New York attacks that day, a staggering 24 percent of them worked at Cantor Fitzgerald.

    In the days after the attacks, Lutnick became one of the faces of the tragedy; he openly wept during an ABC News interview with Connie Chung as he described searching hospitals for his missing employees.

    Lutnick came under heavy criticism when, within days of the attack, he stopped paychecks for employees who had perished, a step he said was necessary to ensure the firm’s survival. However, less than two months after the tragedy, he authorized the payment of some $45 million in bonuses to the families. He subsequently set up the Cantor Fitzgerald Relief Fund, which donated $180 million to the families of his firm’s employees.

    “I went to 20 funerals a day for 35 days,” he told the BBC in 2006. “So there were times I couldn’t even go to my great friends’ funerals. One day, my best friend’s brother was being buried at the same exact time as my roommate from college’s brother. So my wife went to one, and I went to one.”

    The financial devastation to the firm was profound: The company went from making $1 million a day to losing that much each day. Lutnick did what many of his Wall Street detractors considered impossible: He rebuilt the firm back bigger, with expanded stock and bond trading as well as investment banking. Twenty years after the September 11 attacks, Cantor Fitzgerald employed 12,000 people worldwide, 60 of whom were the children of Cantor employees who died that day.

    The firm’s loss in the 9/11 attacks was later the subject of a 2012 documentary, Out of the Clear Blue Sky.

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    Collection of unattributed photographs of the September 11th terrorist attack on the World Trade Center, New York City digital files from originals

    Held in the Library of Congress 250 digitised photographs from a photographer who wished to remain anonymous.

    This large collection can be accessed through this link: https://www.loc.gov/resource/ppmsca....ce=chatgpt.com

    Description (ignore the nonsense about hijackers):
    Summary
    Slides showing the disastrous aftermath of two airplanes crashing into the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center in lower Manhattan after being highjacked by terrorists on September 11, 2001. Includes the burning towers seen from uptown; the photographer's trip to the ground zero area; and the conditions north of the World Trade Center, near West Street. Also views of New York City Fire Department fire fighting and rescue operations in the areas near West Street, the Verizon Building, 7 World Trade Center, the North Bridge, the Customs House, the Winter Garden, and the American Express Tower at the World Financial Center.
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    Default Re: 9/11: Truth Still Matters, Now Over 25 Years Later

    Interesting video... Mehdi and General Clark..

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    Four-Star General ADMITS He Was Paid by Iranian Regime-Change Group


    It’s been 25 years since 9/11, which also means 25 years of the so-called global “War on Terror.”

    But did you know that in the weeks following the attacks, a retired four-star U.S. general went to the Pentagon and was told that the Bush administration was planning to attack seven Middle Eastern countries in the span of just five years?

    Iraq was one of them, as was Iran. Since 9/11, the U.S. has attacked five of those seven countries.

    That general, former Supreme Allied Commander Europe of NATO, Wesley Clark, tells Mehdi, “It was clear at the time that we were going to have to do something to Osama bin Laden. I also knew that we’d been scheming to find a reason to invade and finish off Saddam Hussein.”

    This interview published on September 10, 2026 at zeteo.com. If you want early, exclusive access to this kind of independent, unfiltered journalism — subscribe to our Substack here: https://zeteo.com/subscribe

    00:00 Intro
    02:03 Gen. Clark’s 9/11 experience
    6:53 Could War on Terror have been avoided?
    14:30: How Iraq War empowered Iran
    20:23 Why US lost war in Afghanistan
    23:02 The lesson of 9/11
    26:53 Can Iran War be won?
    37:49 Why Gen. Clark supports a terrorist organization
    42:11 Pete Hegseth’s military purge


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    Moneypenny here (on X) is posting regarding MH-370 which is of course not 9/11 specific, but, given some of the technology cited here I do now think that it more or less goes without saying that earlier iterations of these technologies are what we saw in New York City on September 11th: DIRECTED ENERGY WEAPON & REMOTE AIRPLANE CONTROL.

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    Window cleaners on the North Tower

    I've also saved a whole bunch of elevator shaft photos while they were being inspected obtained from a NIST release batch, which is highly instructive as regards potential for access, which I may share here at some point.

    In the meantime -- so long as one isn't acrophobic -- do enjoy a window cleaner experience on the North Tower

    First part:


    ...continues here:


    In the very many pieces of footage from September 11th, one does clearly see one of these 'baskets' on the outside of WTC 1. One can't help but wonder had it been possible to have accessed any of these whether even just a few more people could have been saved
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    "Director John Kirby joins the show to talk about his new documentary, built around first responders who say what they saw, heard, and felt at Ground Zero on 9/11 still has not been fully investigated."

    9/11: The EXPLOSIVE Testimony You Weren’t Supposed to Hear

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    Default Re: 9/11: Truth Still Matters, Now Over 25 Years Later

    Footage of the basement area following the Twin Towers' destruction

    This has certainly been seen before - certainly segments of this have appeared in some documentaries over the years. Another viewing will remind those who have been somewhat more vigilant than others that had the twins actually collapsed, as opposed to being largely dustified, huge areas underground would have been buried, and the 'Bathtub' likely breached leading to downtown Manhattan being flooded. There is also, in the 9/11 museum, a fully intact almost pristine train carriage recovered from the PATH system in exactly the same condition as it was found on the day.

    The footage does of course show some rubble perhaps caused as much by bombs reportedly being heard by workers before the object impacts as much as by falling debris, but, as can be seen, large areas still remain accessible:



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    Default Re: 9/11: Truth Still Matters, Now Over 25 Years Later

    World Trade Center architects' drawings

    Source: https://pacorpredevblobstorage.blob..../12673-WTC.pdf

    This is a whopper of a PDF - 381MB- obtained via a FOIA request and may take about 10 minutes to load depending on bandwidth, and internet speeds. I'll get a copy of this into the library as well, which can accompany those we already have saved there. This looks like a complete set of the entire WTC complex obtained by a Dutch designer - Andy Mulderij - wishing to create a 3D replica of the complex to submit to the 9-11 museum, and was requested in October, 2011.

    Any of you, like myself, interested in building construction may find it a goldmine of detail.
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    Default Re: 9/11: Truth Still Matters, Now Over 25 Years Later

    Quote Posted by Tintin (here)
    Bureau of Transportation Statistics - September 11th, 2001

    I'd saved these donkeys years ago, but here, for the record, are the copies that Gerard Holmgren saved way back, directly from the BTS site and which were still accurate, I think until at least 2006.

    United Airlines Flight 175 (UA175)

    Source: https://avalonlibrary.net/Tintin/911...parture%29.pdf



    Source: https://avalonlibrary.net/Tintin/911...version%29.pdf



    Source: https://avalonlibrary.net/Tintin/911...Statistics.pdf



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    Addendum from post #217

    Here's a clip from the MSNBC coverage on the day where they use their 'Flight Explorer' system, and you can see flight UAL 175 still airborne in that system, on-screen, after the WTC2 South Tower collapse. It flashes up very quickly, so you'll need to look closely at between 0:38 and 0:42. The zoom-in doesn't help too greatly either as the pixellation makes it nearly impossible to clearly see. (Maybe I'll try and grab a screenshot).

    I don't know if at the time that was broadcast that the networks had been told which 'flights' were involved but I'd say that if you wanted some example of the (above) switch-out scenario, and ready prepared script, this would probably work well.

    I've now managed to grab a slightly clearer screenshot of UAL175 believed broadcast around 10:25AM that morning and obtained from this (YouTube) video here at exactly 00:42:22. It really is exactly as broadcast that day. Where did it really end up? It didn't land in WTC South Tower - that had already collapsed (see Rebekah Roth for an idea). Per the BTS information, it 'diverted'

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    Default Re: 9/11: Truth Still Matters, Now Over 25 Years Later

    More on United Airlines Flight 175

    The Twin Flights of United 175
    Source: https://911planesresearch.substack.c...united-175-the
    Authored by Mark Conlon July 25th, 2025, and this also includes the (above) screenshot. More evidence per Operation Northwoods switching out activity, and summed up near perfectly I think in his conclusion:

    The official evidence presented in this article strongly indicates duplicate flights were involved with United 175 on 9/11. Multiple pieces of official evidence supports this hypothesis. The evidence shows two United 175’s in two opposing locations, and still airborne after the alleged crash time. Whether or not this was due to United 175’s involvement with the many war-games and hijacking exercises taking place on 9/11, this would seem increasingly likely based on this evidence, and would go someway to explaining all of the observable telemetry data evidence.

    My rational is rather than disqualifying one piece of evidence over the other, it is more rational that we accept both and study as a whole the totality of all the evidence, which undoubtedly supports the twin flights hypothesis.

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    Default Re: 9/11: Truth Still Matters, Now Over 25 Years Later

    WNBC-TV Chopper 4 footage by videographer April Amonica

    Here's some footage, now somewhat poignant, taken on September 10th:



    Footage here from the early morning on September 11th, around 6am:



    The footage - which I still attest, for me, is the most extraordinary of all of the many captures - initially referred to as the 'Ball' by Richard Hall and Andrew Johnson, but if one does look very closely you can see wings, albeit a little faint:



    And here's a full run through of April's footage from 09:00:34Am - 10:36:39AM that morning:

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    Default Re: 9/11: Truth Still Matters, Now Over 25 Years Later

    Time-lapse view from the North Tower recorded on September 10, 2001 by Monika Bravo from the 91st and 92nd floor WTC1

    Monika had a studio setup here in the North Tower and if I've remembered correctly had the foresight to take her film home that night. It's a unique and at times haunting record of the last night before the world changed

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