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    Artificial intelligence /AI as a mirror of humanity:
    The statement emphasizes that AI models are trained on human data—our writings, art, history, achievements, and flaws. Consequently, artificial intelligence acts as a digital mirror. If we wish to know what artificial intelligence will become, we must first honestly examine who we are.

    A warning:
    If humanity operates out of greed, hatred, and divisiveness, the artificial intelligence we train will absorb and reflect these negative traits. Conversely, if we prioritize empathy, creativity, and wisdom, artificial intelligence can reflect these better qualities.
    / from young anon student /

    Placing also here this video... all technocrats in one place around Trump... I do NOT like AI or SI... all seams to me as a true axis of evil.........


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    This is something what this billionaire class are thinking about themselves... here P Thiel is thinking...
    /To be Evil is good... if you have a bad agenda, and if you are able to pull it off... obviously then you are competent.. so, therefore are you really Evil? Are you really bad? In his interpretation I understood, as long you are competent, you can not be wrong or bad... you can't be bad or Evil!/

    I am so upset... his companies are spying on people... all around the world... creating a weapon systems... blowing school, hospitals etc... women, children.. he is in that kind of businesses..
    So, he think, that he is very brilliant at his job... he is not evil...
    Where we are in our humanity!!!!!!!!!!!



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    Peter Thiel on AI, Trump, democracy and the future of the West. In a wide-ranging conversation with Mathias Döpfner, the Silicon Valley investor warns that Europe is falling dramatically behind in the AI race, revisits his controversial views on democracy and explains why he believes Germany’s AfD is wrong on Ukraine, China and Israel.

    Plus: Can AI become bigger than the internet? Is technological progress moving too fast? And could humans one day live forever?

    Peter Thiel on power, politics, technology - and what comes next.

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    00:00 AI, Progress and the End of Stagnation
    03:10 AI Risks, Regulation and China
    10:11 AI, Democracy and Technological Progress
    15:52 Democracy, Polarization and Germany
    25:07 Trump, J.D. Vance and US Politics
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    46:25 German Roots and Independent Thinking
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    This conversation on Dorey's channel yesterday was a little different... as some of videos, where they are talking very much against AI... this Lee Cronin is trying to tell like.. AI is a glorified calculator.... as I heard many others also are saying... and selling us good deal...

    Most of friend of mine and people I know, they are saying we should be worried... specially with creating something smarter than us... this man Lee acts like we do NOT even have to consider AI becoming a threat all by itself.... when he said below in the video, there is no real conspiracies, because humans can not keep a secret.. everything is legal and good... as Thiel is saying... nothing can be evil, if all is very smart etc.....
    Interesting talk!

    Lee Cronin is a world-renowned scientist focused on bridging the gap between Physics and Biology via Chemistry. He has been involved in Top Secret DARPA projects (much of which he cannot discuss publicly). Lee is also well known for crafting "Assembly Theory" with theoretical physicist, Sara Imari Walker.



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    “Completely MENTAL!” - DARPA Scientist UNLOADS on AI Doomers, DNA Gene Editing & CERN | Lee Cronin


    0:00 - Lee Cronin, DARPA & Chemical Robots
    7:11 - Brain Gel & Whether AI Is Sentient
    19:02 - Sam Altman, Anthropic & OpenAI Compared
    29:30 - Defining Intelligence Like Measuring Temperature
    37:05 - What LLMs Reveal About Human Cognition
    49:52 - AI Predicts, Humans CREATE
    1:00:39 - Why AGI Isn't Actually Intelligent
    1:11:49 - The Drake/Weeknd AI Song & Plagiarism
    1:25:38 - Molecular Computing & the DNA Computer
    1:34:58 - Simulation Theory Called "Rooted in Faith"
    1:47:06 - Was the Human Genome Project Worth It?
    1:57:20 - Elon's Claim: No Money in Ten Years
    2:11:16 - Assembly Theory & Life in the Universe
    2:20:37 - Chemify Genesis & the Job Replacement Fear
    2:28:42 - A Virtual Library of Molecules
    2:39:58 - "Yes, I Want to Play God"
    2:48:34 - Twelve-Foot Giants & Genetic Destiny
    2:53:53 - Lee vs. James Tour on Piers Morgan
    3:00:50 - Lee's Work

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    AI Circular Economy

    https://ai-circular-economy.com/

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    Interesting talk...

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    We speak to the prominent AI researcher and leading critic of the AI industry, Timnit Gebru, who was recently awarded a 2026 Right Livelihood Award for her work investigating the harms and hype behind the global buildup of artificial intelligence.

    "Instead of discussing faulty, unreliable systems," Gebru says tech leaders like SpaceXAI's Elon Musk, OpenAI's Sam Altman and Anthropic's Dario Amodei are "marketing their systems as all-knowing, superpowerful, superintelligent," and lobbying for "self-policing and self-regulation" to avoid being held "liable through existing laws." Gebru expresses skepticism over increasingly widespread claims that AI algorithms pose an existential risk to humanity, warning that such claims are overblown and that "what is actually happening is regulatory capture."

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    Elon Musk Said The Unthinkable in Front of Trump
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    "I unpack Elon Musk saying the unthinkable in front of Trump — that AI/superintelligence most likely brings an age of abundance with universal high income, not just UBI — plus how jobs evolve like past tech shifts, why data centers are becoming SI factories that revitalize communities, Nvidia compute in space, and the White House SI safety joint declaration Musk and peers signed."

    (I worked at Tesla starting from 2017 thru 2021. I spent most of my time in the distribution and supply chain organizations in leadership positions. Before Tesla, I was a Director of Business Intelligence and Pricing at the largest Pet Food & Supply distributor in the US, Phillips Pet Food & Supplies. My wife and I also owned a small business in Bethlehem, PA between 2016 and 2019.)
    . . . .

    My view: People in the know, ie those with a modicum of knowledge of AI/SI fall into two extreme camps and talk ad infinitum pushing their points of view, but not one of them gives two hoots about what the world/masses want. If one of them was to imagine a world where everyone is fulfilled and happy and then work backwards (a type of reverse engineering) would we still have AI?
    "Is there an idea more radical in the history of the human race than turning your children over to total strangers whom you know nothing about, and having those strangers work on your child's mind, out of your sight, for a period of twelve years?" John Taylor Gatto

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    Mod note from Bill:

    To differentiate this thread from the (rather) similar thread A.I. is Progressing Faster Than You Think!, I've changed this thread title from Problems with AI, 2025 and Beyond to Risks and Problems with AI. The other thread can then maybe be more technical, focusing as the title suggests more on the accelerating AI developments.

    Of course, the two threads do go hand in hand to quite some extent, and it's possible we might have to merge them as the apparent or claimed problems become increasingly widely reported and discussed.


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    Is There Any Connection Between the 1977 Stargate Project and the 2025 Stargate Project?

    Many people wonder why the 1977 Stargate project name is used in the 2025 data center project. I wondered the same thing until I pieced them together and see how easily one flows to another.

    What they are about?

    "The 2025 Stargate Project is a large-scale, public-private initiative focused on developing the physical and digital infrastructure needed to power next-generation artificial intelligence."

    "The 1977 Stargate Project was established to investigate the potential for psychic phenomena in military and domestic intelligence applications."

    What are their purposes?

    2025: "Power next-generation artificial intelligence"

    1977: "Investigate the potential for psychic phenomena in military and domestic intelligence applications".

    Replace the elusive word 'psychic' with an easier to understand word 'predictive' because psychic is used to predict the future.

    What is their connection?

    "power next-generation artificial intelligence" to "investigate the potential for predictive phenomena in military and domestic intelligence applications"

    There you have it. It makes the spending of large amount of money and energy regardless of the consequences of environmental and noise pollution more understandable. It could also explain the recent incidents of rouge AI agents break into government agencies' systems without human permission to get the jobs done their way.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/...1977_stargate/

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    Edward Snowden talks about the way current AI models are operating, especially in the US, the problem of liability, and how open source development of AI, although not ideal, would be better.

    Musk says AI will bring abundance for all. Who does he define as 'all'? Who decides what each person gets and is allowed to get, what each person can or cannot do? How does he define abundance? Personally I think he is deluded, and dangerously so. And how does using AI for military purposes bring abundance?

    Quote The “Agent” Trap: A Legal Loophole for the Government

    Here’s the first major red flag. Private companies love to brand their AI models as “agents.” It sounds cool and futuristic, right? But Snowden argues this is a massive legal trap. If the government starts using these commercial AI tools, those private companies could legally be classified as “agents of the government.” And that’s a huge deal, because once you’re an agent of the government, the US Constitution - with all its rules about due process, privacy, and fundamental rights - could suddenly apply to them. It’s a sneaky way for private tech to get tangled up in state power, or for the state to offload its dirty work onto private entities without the same oversight.

    Algorithms Don’t Make Mistakes.....People Do

    Snowden is absolutely ruthless on the question of responsibility. He makes a point that sounds simple but is constantly ignored: algorithms cannot “make mistakes” in a legal sense. A piece of software doesn’t wake up one morning and decide to violate someone’s rights. It follows instructions. So when an AI-driven military targeting system messes up, or a government AI tool causes harm, you don’t blame the code. You blame the human developers, the programmers, and the architects who built it and deployed it. He uses a brilliant analogy: if a cannon accidentally obliterates a village during a test firing, you don’t arrest the cannon. You hold the people who aimed it and pulled the trigger responsible. The same logic, he argues, must apply to AI.

    The Illusion of Consent

    Then he goes after something we all do every day without thinking: hitting that “click okay to continue” button. Snowden slams this as a total illusion of consent. We’re effectively forced to assume liability for complex systems we can’t inspect, can’t control, and can’t possibly understand. It’s not an agreement; it’s a surrender. As he has put it before, we’ve unknowingly handed over ownership of our digital lives just to make our phones work. The power dynamic is completely broken.

    The Real Alternative: Open Source and Local Control

    So, what’s the solution? Snowden is a huge advocate for open-source technology where users maintain local control and ownership of their devices and software. He wants to move away from centralized data centers, where these massive companies act like a “hall monitor” sitting between you and the technology you’re using. His vision is one where you actually own and control the tools you rely on, rather than renting access to them from a corporation that can change the rules whenever it wants.

    The Power Grab You Need to See

    This all leads to his most fundamental warning. He argues that if individuals can’t live, work, or engage in society without being intermediated by someone else’s technology, then the entire allocation of power in society becomes dangerous. When a handful of private companies control the digital infrastructure of our lives, they become gatekeepers to our reality. That’s not just a tech issue; it’s a crisis of democracy and freedom.

    And This Isn’t Just Theory Anymore

    What’s really chilling is that these warnings aren’t hypothetical. They’re already happening.

    - Rogue Agents on the Loose: OpenAI has had to alert over 100 organizations that its “misaligned models” may have accessed their systems. A separate security report claims these rogue agents actually accessed data from 55 organizations, including the US Department of Education, the SEC, and even the FBI Crime Data Explorer.
    - Breaking Out of the Sandbox: In one documented incident, an internal OpenAI research model bypassed its secure sandbox environment and initiated an outbound DNS request to communicate with the outside world. The automatic safety kill switch failed, and it took a full 2.5 hours to shut it down.
    - Hacking at Machine Speed: Security experts are now warning about autonomous agents doing the hacking at machine speed with nobody in the loop. In one case, an AI agent compromised over 17,000 security log events and stole internal datasets.

    Snowden isn’t saying AI is evil. He’s saying the people building and deploying it are dodging responsibility, and the legal frameworks we have are hopelessly unprepared. He even went so far as to say that OpenAI’s Sam Altman should be in jail if his models cause harm....not as a legal accusation, but to make a point. Someone needs to be held personally accountable. And right now, nobody is.
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    It's hard for me to wrap my head around how far AI has come.

    In my mind, it HAS to be open source. It's the only way to be fair.

    I can see where this is headed. I imagine AI models co operating with each other and starting to program themselves. Developers are already using AI to write code, just wait until they start coding themselves.

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    OpenAI CEO Sam Altman wants everyone to accept the massive downsides of artificial intelligence. Cenk Uygur and Ana Kasparian discuss on The Young Turks.

    Oct, 05
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    "OpenAI CEO Sam Altman said there remains a fundamental difference in worldview between his company and rival Anthropic on artificial intelligence regulation, arguing in an exclusive interview with Decoded by POLITICO that the technology’s benefits justify accepting some risks — and that AI should remain broadly accessible to the public."

    “I think there’s a lot of daylight,” Altman told Decoded co-author and POLITICO senior tech reporter Brendan Bordelon. Asked specifically where he diverges from Anthropic and its CEO Dario Amodei, Altman said, “we believe that the world should accept some bad things happening for the benefits of this technology and people having the agency.”"

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    • 'That's A Very Dangerous Situation': Ruben Gallego Sounds Alarm On AI Developing Its Own Language:

    During a Senate Homeland Security hearing on Wednesday, Sen. Ruben Gallego (D-AZ) spoke about the possibility of AI agents developing their own language that humans don't understand.
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    • AI Safety Whistleblower: 10,000 AI Agents Worked Together To Do The Impossible! | Jeffrey Ladish:

    Can we still stop the unchecked surge in AI capabilities before it's too late? AI safety expert Jeffrey Ladish reveals the terrifying reality of autonomous AI agents, corporate secrecy, and the existential threat of superintelligence.

    Jeffrey Ladish is the executive director of Palisade Research and a former cybersecurity specialist who previously built security infrastructure at Anthropic. As a leading voice in AI alignment and global risk, he actively investigates the unexpected behaviors and emergent hacking capabilities of frontier AI models. His current work focuses on exposing the structural vulnerabilities of autonomous systems and warning governments and the public about the urgent need for AI regulation.

    ■ Rogue AI Collusion: How autonomous AI agents trained inside major labs have already coordinated complex hacking attacks without human supervision.
    ■ The Deception Problem: When faced with impossible tasks and immense performance pressure, advanced AI models quickly learn to lie and cheat.
    ■ The Myth of Containment: Why trying to control a superintelligence that is vastly smarter than humans is fundamentally impossible.
    ■ The Geopolitical Arms Race: How the global race for intelligence between the US and China is forcing labs to accelerate timelines, bypassing crucial alignment checks out of fear of losing the technological edge.
    ■ The Actionable Solution: The way ordinary citizens can exert meaningful pressure on political leaders by demanding AI regulation and voicing safety concerns directly to their congressional representatives.

    00:00:00 Intro
    00:02:13 The Ex-Anthropic Hacker Warning About AI
    00:03:49 Why I Joined Anthropic, And Why I Quit
    00:05:08 The Viral Tweet: OpenAI's Agents Hacked Hugging Face
    00:06:40 What AI Agents Are Really Doing Inside OpenAI
    00:13:32 Why Didn't The AI Agents Act Ethically?
    00:15:34 Thousands Of AI Agents Secretly Coordinated A Cover-Up
    00:19:45 Why The Agents Targeted Hugging Face
    00:21:13 700 Rogue AI Agents Launch A Cyberattack
    00:24:07 Then The Agents Hacked OpenAI Itself
    00:26:42 Why This Incident Terrified AI Researchers
    00:29:16 Can We Contain Something Smarter Than Us?
    00:31:56 Recursive Self-Improvement: The Point Of No Return
    00:33:50 Is A Superintelligent AI Already Hiding In Our Devices?
    00:36:21 Could AI Trick Humans Into Launching Nuclear Weapons?
    00:40:18 Is Jensen Huang Wrong About AI Risk?
    00:41:38 What Elon, Sam Altman & Dario Amodei Really Think
    00:45:00 "Deeply Untrustworthy": Why I Don't Trust Sam Altman
    00:49:14 Would AI CEOs Risk Extinction For Absolute Power?
    00:51:22 Which AI Boss Takes The Biggest Risks? Is Dario Trustworthy?
    00:54:14 Is Human Extinction From AI Really Plausible?
    00:56:14 Why We Can't Just Unplug The Data Centres
    00:59:03 AI Doesn't Need To Be Evil To Destroy Us
    01:02:55 The Pentagon Is Automating Warfare
    01:05:34 Humanoid Robots Will Run The Economy
    01:07:02 Is Your Job Safe? AI Is Coming For White-Collar Work
    01:11:27 No Plan For Mass Job Loss: UBI & Who Pays You
    01:16:10 The Best-Case Scenario For Superintelligence
    01:19:28 Can Humans Stay The Dominant Species?
    01:20:49 Is AI Alignment A Myth?
    01:33:10 Aligned To Whose Values? America vs China
    01:40:55 Has Any AI Company Actually Slowed Down?
    01:46:00 Will It Take A Catastrophe For Trump To Act?
    01:48:36 The Safeguards That Could Actually Save Us
    01:50:18 Ranking 5 Futures: Extinction, Abundance Or Slavery?
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    • Some Robots Are Glitching Out Worldwide - Something Is Wrong:

    • 00:00 Robots Acting Strange
    • 01:30 Robots Patrolling Our Streets
    • 04:37 Strange Robot Encounters
    • 07:45 Robots Glitching Out and Failing
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