What happens when we ascend? Are we still going to be in an illusionary world?

[bashi]

Posted by Jacqui D (here)
Thank you Gita, i just wanted to say that if we had full memory of our past lives it would be so much easier for us to be able to understand the true workings of it all.
Sadly the connection to source was severed by interfering ET's [COLOR="red"]

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Maybe its better so.
Do you know what you are asking for? Do you have the capacity to accept yourself committing atrocities in the past etc. ? That can be a very hard to digest, dont you think so?


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[greybeard]

Hi Gita
I accept that the trinity is of the bible though I think the Hindu religion has three aspects of divinty as well though i cant remember to be honest.
Once English speaking sages came along I let go of reading the Indian sages and was not interested in the religious aspect though no sage is of any religion.
To be clear DH is not mention trinity or male and female aspects thats my extended understanding. Right or wrong.
Hawkins work is fascinating as he has developed a calibrated map of consciousness to help explain the evolution of consciousness on earth.
I will put a bio on him and a link for those interested.
Realize its slightly of topic but it is about developing spiritually.
Regards Chris


Dr. David R. Hawkins, M.D., Ph.D.

Dr. Hawkins is an internationally renowned psychiatrist, physician, researcher, and pioneer in the fields of consciousness research and spirituality. He writes and teaches from the unique perspective of an experienced clinician, scientist, and mystic and is devoted to the spiritual evolution of mankind.
http://www.veritaspub.com/

[Jan Rodrigo]

i do agree jacqui d on this and star ,but not on the part that god (Consciousness )is full of energy , energy has to vibrate .(oscillate betewn to pionts ) to exsist which means it is an atom , and or consciousness (god ) creats through observation , then the atoms respond , so yes in the matrix all is vibrating on all levels there is even a god which clams to be god & then he finds out that he's not god at all and there a higher vibration and so on these are all gods of the matrix illusion all so there is a point were in are atoms and every thing in creation has a point of stillness , which youn even get in black holes were there is infinite mass , all i belivie every thing is made up of black holes , creating life is like creating music u need silence ( stillness ) to cut it , any way it's getting hard to exsplain but wehen i go into my true self it is completly still and beyond the feeling of words , the only things that vibrate is my body and everthing on the out side , o my may be im going mad lol

love jan

[Rocky_Shorz]

Early western students of Hinduism were impressed by the parallel between the Hindu trinity and that of Christianity. In fact the parallel is not very close, and the Hindu trinity, unlike the Holy Trinity of Christianity, never really "caught on". All Hindu trinitarianism tended to favor one god of the three; thus, from the context it is clear that Kālidāsa's hymn to the Trimūrti is really addressed to Brahmā, here looked on as the high god. The Trimūrti was in fact an artificial growth, and had little real influence.

Link

[Jan Rodrigo]

Posted by Jacqui D (here)
I agree stardust and thank you for explaining, i just wrote a lengthy post but lost it then found you had posted this.
Jan you mention source being still, source is far from stillness in fact the well of souls has a mass of energy i would not call this still,
I too am looking forward to the interview between ashayana deane and kerry so glad your around stardust makes things a little easier as you know i am just starting out with this information.
Of course there is no proof with any teachings i will always say go with your intuition if it feels right for you then go with it. We are all on different journeys while we are here on this beautiful earth enjoy it and let the future take you where your heart is.

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I agree stardust and thank you for explaining, i just wrote a lengthy post but lost it then found you had posted this.
Jan you mention source being still, source is far from stillness in fact the well of souls has a mass of energy i would not call this still,
I too am looking forward to the interview between ashayana deane and kerry so glad your around stardust makes things a little easier as you know i am just starting out with this information.
Of course there is no proof with any teachings i will always say go with your intuition if it feels right for you then go with it. We are all on different journeys while we are here on this beautiful earth enjoy it and let the future take you where your heart is.

i do agree jacqui d on this and star ,but not on the part that god (Consciousness )is full of energy , energy has to vibrate .(oscillate betewn to pionts ) to exsist which means it is an atom , and or consciousness (god ) creats through observation , then the atoms respond , so yes in the matrix all is vibrating on all levels there is even a god which clams to be god & then he finds out that he's not god at all and there a higher vibration and so on these are all gods of the matrix illusion all so there is a point were in are atoms and every thing in creation has a point of stillness , which youn even get in black holes were there is infinite mass , all i belivie every thing is made up of black holes , creating life is like creating music u need silence ( stillness ) to cut it ,and i the balance part is the radiating part of still ness or may be this is just 3d thinking and it just can't be comperhended by are minds any way it's getting hard to exsplain but wehen i go into my true self it is completly still and beyond the feeling of words , the only things that vibrate is my body and everthing on the out side , o my may be im going mad lol sorry about spelling

love jan

[greybeard]

Thanks Rocky
Chris

[SteveX]

Dimension ascension…I just don’t know. Perhaps I should rephrase that to I don’t think so. The only ascension I’m aware of is commonly known as death. From my minute or so experience it’s very groovy. Now I ain’t shoving this across as right or the way or the only thing just that that’s all I’ve got to go off.

[Rocky_Shorz]

I have mentioned many times that my Spirit guide is Tara, which has had many names through many religions...

She is the Holy Sprit that connects me to the one, and all of us are connected the same way, her presence is strong again right now on earth and many are being touched by her without knowing it...



This isn't how she looks to me in my dreams but I think our sub conscience gives us the image we ceate...

The Goddess Tara, in the form we know Her, is first found in early Hinduism and later made the transition to Tibetan Buddhism. She is believed to be the most ancient form of Dea still worshipped today.

The Goddess Tara is by far the most popular deity in the Tibetan pantheon: so much so that some have suggested that Tibetan Buddhism should be called Taraism. She is worshipped throughout Tibet, Nepal and much of South-East Asia. She is less known in China and Japan, but in those areas the closely-related Quan Yin (Japanese Kannon) takes Her place.

Her Name means "star", and she is said to have been born from the water, like Aphrodite. Thus her iconography may be related to that of Mary, who is called Stella Maris (Star of the Sea) and foam-born Venus/Aphrodite who is represented by the Morning/Evening Star, Venus.

Not only is Aphrodite connected by scholars with Ishtar and Astarte, but some have linked these names etymologically with the name of the Goddess Tara.

What we have here is clearly a very fundamental symbolic - and probably linguistic - matrix of iconography related to the very earliest worship of Our Mother God, which yet remains in continuous practice through the worship of the Goddess Tara, the Bodhisattwa Kuan Yin and, in the West, the officially non-Divine Mary

For those with a bible handy, in revelation she is the one standing next to God with the 12 pointed crown...

[Gita]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Hi Gita
I accept that the trinity is of the bible though I think the Hindu religion has three aspects of divinty as well though i cant remember to be honest.
Once English speaking sages came along I let go of reading the Indian sages and was not interested in the religious aspect though no sage is of any religion.
To be clear DH is not mention trinity or male and female aspects thats my extended understanding. Right or wrong.
Hawkins work is fascinating as he has developed a calibrated map of consciousness to help explain the evolution of consciousness on earth.
I will put a bio on him and a link for those interested.
Realize its slightly of topic but it is about developing spiritually.
Regards Chris


Dr. David R. Hawkins, M.D., Ph.D.

Dr. Hawkins is an internationally renowned psychiatrist, physician, researcher, and pioneer in the fields of consciousness research and spirituality. He writes and teaches from the unique perspective of an experienced clinician, scientist, and mystic and is devoted to the spiritual evolution of mankind.
http://www.veritaspub.com/

yes the Hindu religion also has three aspects of divinity which goes back to and derived from the original trinity of ancient Egyptian gods, Osirus-Isis-Horus.



Thanks for the link btw, I'll check it out later.

[bashi]

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
I have mentioned many times that my Spirit guide is Tara, which has had many names through many religions...



This isn't how she looks to me in my dreams but I think our sub conscience gives us the image we ceate...

There are other pictures as well...


http://www.google.de/url?source=imgr...-DgNUj4mKnd32g

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[Rocky_Shorz]

LOL... no she definitely doesn't look like that...



what I see is much more like the Virgin Mary...



I wanted to know everything about religion and through my dreams she brought me back through 100s of thousands of years...

This planet has been wiped clean and restarted a few different times...

what we know of is only modern religions since the last cleansing...

[greybeard]

Think the picture is Kali Rocky.
A some what frightening Die---ty.
C

[Jacqui D]

Posted by bashi (here)
Maybe its better so.
Do you know what you are asking for? Do you have the capacity to accept yourself committing atrocities in the past etc. ? That can be a very hard to digest, dont you think so?


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But why would i have to have committed atrocities Bashi this is a strange thing to say! Why say this to someone when you have no proof or any idea what a person has done in past lives etc, this is unfair to say.
I understand that you are trying to say some may find it difficult to admit such things if it was done in a past life yes i see this. and if i did i would have to deal with that yes. each life has a learning curve if a wrong was done then it must be put right this is the cycle for some, for others it is experience in all things.
You have touched on a delicate matter here which some will contemplate on i am sure.
But i still stand by my words and say if we had been left to evolve as we should have done things would be very different now.

Not all beings who are here today have even incarnated her before.

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Posted by bashi (here)
Maybe its better so.
Do you know what you are asking for? Do you have the capacity to accept yourself committing atrocities in the past etc. ? That can be a very hard to digest, dont you think so?


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But why would i have to have committed atrocities Bashi this is a strange thing to say! Why say this to someone when you have no proof or any idea what a person has done in past lives etc, this is unfair to say.
I understand that you are trying to say some may find it difficult to admit such things if it was done in a past life yes i see this. and if i did i would have to deal with that yes. each life has a learning curve if a wrong was done then it must be put right this is the cycle for some, for others it is experience in all things.
You have touched on a delicate matter here which some will contemplate on i am sure.
But i still stand by my words and say if we had been left to evolve as we should have done things would be very different now.

Not all beings who are here today have even incarnated her before.

[Jacqui D]

No you are not going mad Jan, we are all picking up on many levels.
I will not disagree with what you have said here but i have my own views i respect what you are saying but i can only say no one has the real proof of all things we only know that when we become one with the source once again.
So many different views this is why if we had total recall things would be easier, when we connect back to source all past lives will be given to us. whether good or bad, all has to return to source, that choice will be yours to make no one can make it for you. The illusion we live in on this world is the illusion of distortion our next world will not be a false world but our true existance.

[Rocky_Shorz]

one little note, you don't need to wait to pass to be connected to the source....

What many don't realize is it is our conscious mind that holds us back, we've been trained not to reach higher...

Many spend their whole life seeking just to learn they are already there...

I've been to Nirvana and looked around and saw beings from many different worlds, all come and go to the very same source...

Your subconscious takes over when you sleep and if you learn to push aside your restrictions before closing your eyes you are free to explore all of the unknown...

[Jan Rodrigo]

Posted by Jacqui D (here)
No you are not going mad Jan, we are all picking up on many levels.
I will not disagree with what you have said here but i have my own views i respect what you are saying but i can only say no one has the real proof of all things we only know that when we become one with the source once again.
So many different views this is why if we had total recall things would be easier, when we connect back to source all past lives will be given to us. whether good or bad, all has to return to source, that choice will be yours to make no one can make it for you. The illusion we live in on this world is the illusion of distortion our next world will not be a false world but our true existance.

So true maybe it’s infinite possible and we are all right. This feeling has been coming up a lot in many things s.
thats why so many of us sound true but yet it's all contradicting lol

[tone3jaguar]

Posted by Jan Rodrigo (here)


What happens when we ascend? Are we still going to be in an illusionary world?

What other kind of world is there? I focused on the anticipation of this ascension stuff for almost two years. My conclusion is that being aware that something strange might happen in the near future is valuable. On the other hand, trying to conceive of what it will be like from the frame of reference of your current condition may be an act of futility.

The whole concept of no longer needing a physical body is an unintentional misdirect by the new age community. If you have ever gone out of body, you know from experience that the "physical" body we have now is no more real than the "non physical" astral body. When some people die, the astral world and their "non physical" body is so real that they go on for decades not even knowing that they are dead (earthbound spirits).

So, you already do not have a physical body, the physical and material are already not what they seem.

[Dougall]

Ascension could be purely a spiritual event, and on that turn I would add , many of us ascribe a highly developed spiritual level to some ETs.
The Nordics for instance.
I'm sure people can transcend this world through prayer and meditation. I also think large numbers of people will ascend into the Heavens soon and very soon. I tend to see Elijah ascending in a Chariot of Fire. Right! A flying Saucer. That story may be 10,000 years or older. I think this is something that repeats over and over again and mass ascensions occur every 3600 years.
I think during the "Time" people who are outside looking up in the sky will ascend. After this "Time" a 7 year period will follow and many here on Earth will be hopeful of their second chance to ascend.
Things will be very difficult for everyone left here on earth because a significant number of people will have vanished, some earth changes will occur, and rumors will abound regarding what just happened.

This is just my melding the Second Coming of Jesus with some UFO, Planet X and 2012 info. I am sure other people have thought about it or maybe written about it. I am making it up, however don't claim to be original.

It fits for me, I keep an open mind to something like this really happening.

[Jacqui D]

I agree with you here Dougall,about the mass ascending and how those left behind will perceive this. If this is all true regarding this ascension and how past ascension has been thwarted by ET races then this one is very important to all who are being given the chance to do so.
I believe all are in there rightful place at this time nothing has been left to chance. And if nothing happens and nothing changes then we will all look pretty stupid.
But we would then know how easily we can be manipulated by forces who wish to deceive and mess with our minds.
There will be a few interesting years i feel and what will be will be.

[stardustaquarion]

Just a side note. In my KS studies I learned that the Chariot of fire is also called "flame body" it is not a craft, it is something that we all can activate.

Got a note today and I can comfirm that Asha's interview is easy to understand for everybody, it was described "as if one was sitting with her in her living room", so thumbs up and can not wait!