Jason Jorjani and Alien Overlords

[Mike Gorman]

Posted by DNA (here)
Some random Jorjani data worth putting down.

James Clerk Maxwell



Jorjani states Maxwell had secret equations Tesla was privy to that are still not available for the general public

Apparently Tesla relied heavily on his work, to the extent that Tesla had blue prints for antigravity craft based on Maxwell's work.
Jorjani contends that the real reason the Titanic was sunk was to kill the investors who were going to back Tesla and begin commercially creating his vision.
The cabal that opposed Tesla mass producing such craft did go on to use his designs, creating craft that were then kept secret from the masses.
Jorjani sites first hand witness testimonial from the turn of the twentieth century where strange air ships were reported flying around the country and stopping at various farms for water and food stating how these ships were in their beta testing phase but would soon be on exhibition to all for the world to see.

Now strangely enough, that Billy Meier video I posted just before this post, mentions how there were 3 or 4 privately created and maintained human sourced antigravity flying craft bases not associated with any government. Billy said this in 1978. One was in South America, one in Europe and one in I think Antarctica.
That is a strange correlation.

Just as a curiosity, funny you mention this about anti-gravity vehicles and a base being located in Antarctica, I think I may have seen one of these craft a few years back from my back garden here in Perth Australia, I saw this twice and it was a silent illuminated craft coming from the south over my head, it was very clearly a craft, not an orb, something tells me it was anti-grav - could be so, it makes sense, just an aside from me. I have also been very intrigued with Billy's accounts, yes he was very clumsy with his revelations, Stevens was a champion, he did a wonderful job.

[Irminsül]

I find this discussion very stimulating because it touches on subjects I’ve read quite a few books about, and they’re also topics I find particularly fascinating. There are several points worth considering. First and foremost, I think it would be wise to take a closer look at certain claims Jason Jorjani makes, which sometimes sound a little too categorical for my liking. He speaks with considerable confidence about things that, in many cases, are not just difficult to prove but practically impossible to establish.

For starters, according to him, the beings commonly referred to today as Nordic extraterrestrials control the world. Obviously, that’s impossible to verify. Whether Atlantis ever existed is still a matter of debate and controversy, and I’m obviously not talking about the position of mainstream archaeology or history. Even among those of us who consider ourselves alternative thinkers, it isn’t a certainty. I lean toward thinking that yes, there was something real behind it, that such a civilization did exist, whether or not Atlantis was its actual name. But that, too, remains unproven.

Where I do agree with Jorjani is that it makes much more sense to take a broader view of what we commonly call extraterrestrials, considering the main theories that have been proposed to explain this phenomenon: people who indeed come from other planets , cryptoterrestrials, time travelers, ultraterrestrials, and the so-called breakaway civilization. I think he’s right to approach it that way. And beyond that, there is, without a doubt, at least in my view, a great deal of history we know nothing about. It seems plausible to me that there were other human civilizations before ours, so to speak, highly advanced societies that left practically no surviving trace. This is something I’ve looked into, and it is possible.

On another note, and to wrap up my comment, I admit that until relatively recently, I was open to the possibility that Billy Meier really was a genuine contactee. But after taking a closer look at certain aspects of his testimony, I honestly lean more toward thinking that he was, and still is, since he’s still alive, a liar, or whatever you want to call him. The same goes for Adamski, whose version of events I also believed at one point. I no longer see it that way.

Why? Well, numerous contradictions have been found in Meier’s accounts. Evidence has been found in his photographs that the objects he was photographing were models suspended from fishing line. And then, of course, there are the supposed photographs from his time travels, which turned out to be images from magazines. So honestly, I just don’t see any sense in it.

As for Adamski, one passage that made me question his account appears in Timothy Good’s Alien Base, a book I found very interesting and full of information. Good recounts a story told by Ray Stanford, who attributed the following remark to Adamski: “If it hadn’t been for that man Roosevelt, I wouldn’t have [had] to get into all this saucer crap.”

[mountain_jim]

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American Alchemy
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🚨BREAKING🚨: Jason Jorjani says the UFO mystery may involve an intelligence manipulating human history through time. He argues that some encounters could be staged with secret technology, while others may involve a nonhuman superintelligence.

“Human history is non-linear.”

The philosopher and author returns for our third conversation, connecting time travel, consciousness and intelligence operations. His theory is that technological interference with time could create feedback loops in history, allowing events in the future to influence the past.

Some reported UFOs may not be objects at all. Jorjani describes accounts of luminous orbs becoming craft, then changing into black helicopters. We discuss whether these encounters reveal something about the phenomenon or are designed to change the people experiencing it.

“A superintelligent AI, I think, could well be behind some of the more bizarre close encounters.”

We also explore Andrija Puharich’s alleged involvement in staged alien abductions, including an encounter involving Uri Geller. Jorjani recounts the story of “space kids” gathered at Puharich’s Lab 9 and argues that their reported psychic abilities were used for intelligence gathering. Was Puharich communicating with something or manipulating people into believing they were?

Finally, we discuss Trump and whether presidential interest can translate into meaningful UFO disclosure. “To what extent can any significant disclosure be forced by any sitting administration?” Jorjani’s concern is that a public announcement could leave the underlying secrecy (and control of the technology) intact.

Full conversation live now.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=QjU7FfTcACE

Returning for his third conversation with Jesse Michels, Jorjani explores the possibility that reality is a computational system controlled by competing intelligences, connecting Carl Jung's synchronicities, reincarnation, time travel, and ancient religious traditions to the UFO phenomenon. They examine alleged Nazi flying saucer programs, the shadowy World Commerce Corporation, MKUltra, and Andrija Puharich's research into psychic manipulation and suppressed Tesla technology. Along the way, Jesse and Jason clash over the nature of God, question whether the Roswell crash involved human technology, and consider whether the forces behind UFO secrecy are preparing for something far bigger than disclosure.

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Timestamps:

0:00 Introduction
4:33 The World Commerce Corporation
7:09 Magenta, Lebensborn and Antarctica
10:26 Nazi saucers, Wall Street and OSS
14:17 Skorzeny, Stephenson and Townsend Brown
17:18 The Kammler files
20:56 Saucer engineers, the wobble, DeWitt
24:17 Puharich: 90% ours, faked abductions
26:52 Intelectron and Bob Beckwith
28:34 After JFK: Jolly West and Ruby
30:43 Intelectronics and MKUltra's core
33:40 Barney Hill: "Looks like a Nazi"
34:38 Covert tech and missing scientists
38:44 Tesla's scalar waves and Lab Nine
41:11 Sponsors (Dose)
42:43 Back to the episode
43:07 Puharich traces the Soviet signal
44:44 Morgan, Astor and the Titanic
50:27 Soviet Tesla towers and the blackout
54:30 Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter manuscript
56:55 The fire and the space kids
1:02:55 Arson at Lab Nine
1:04:24 America's own Tesla towers
1:07:13 Bearden's Excalibur Briefing
1:09:21 Psychotronics and extended electrodynamics
1:13:30 Faraday cages and 11 Hz
1:15:32 Manchurian candidates and cognitive sovereignty
1:19:44 Donations, Corso and Roswell
1:22:28 Horten brothers and the Twining memo
1:25:24 UFOs and nuclear weapons
1:29:10 Why drop it on the Nazis?
1:31:37 MJ-12, Kissinger and H.A.K.
1:35:03 Disclosure under Trump
1:37:02 Sponsors (Kalshi)
1:38:55 Sponsors (Cape)
1:40:07 Back to the episode
1:40:19 The end game: a reset
1:42:47 Jung and synchronicity
1:47:55 Synchronicity's dopamine hit
1:50:06 Vopson, dark matter and data centers
1:59:51 Past lives: Wambach and Stevenson
2:03:08 Split souls and the psyche
2:08:27 Dark and broken timelines
2:10:28 Two kinds of intelligence
2:13:07 The trickster superintelligence
2:18:59 Is God an Archon construct?
2:22:33 Job, Jesus and Apollonius
2:28:31 Faith, witch hunts and psi
2:30:57 Rebellion and the rebel angels
2:35:23 Closing thoughts

[DNA]

Posted by Irminsül (here)
I find this discussion very stimulating because it touches on subjects I’ve read quite a few books about, and they’re also topics I find particularly fascinating. There are several points worth considering. First and foremost, I think it would be wise to take a closer look at certain claims Jason Jorjani makes, which sometimes sound a little too categorical for my liking. He speaks with considerable confidence about things that, in many cases, are not just difficult to prove but practically impossible to establish.

For starters, according to him, the beings commonly referred to today as Nordic extraterrestrials control the world. Obviously, that’s impossible to verify. Whether Atlantis ever existed is still a matter of debate and controversy, and I’m obviously not talking about the position of mainstream archaeology or history. Even among those of us who consider ourselves alternative thinkers, it isn’t a certainty. I lean toward thinking that yes, there was something real behind it, that such a civilization did exist, whether or not Atlantis was its actual name. But that, too, remains unproven.

Where I do agree with Jorjani is that it makes much more sense to take a broader view of what we commonly call extraterrestrials, considering the main theories that have been proposed to explain this phenomenon: people who indeed come from other planets , cryptoterrestrials, time travelers, ultraterrestrials, and the so-called breakaway civilization. I think he’s right to approach it that way. And beyond that, there is, without a doubt, at least in my view, a great deal of history we know nothing about. It seems plausible to me that there were other human civilizations before ours, so to speak, highly advanced societies that left practically no surviving trace. This is something I’ve looked into, and it is possible.

On another note, and to wrap up my comment, I admit that until relatively recently, I was open to the possibility that Billy Meier really was a genuine contactee. But after taking a closer look at certain aspects of his testimony, I honestly lean more toward thinking that he was, and still is, since he’s still alive, a liar, or whatever you want to call him. The same goes for Adamski, whose version of events I also believed at one point. I no longer see it that way.

Why? Well, numerous contradictions have been found in Meier’s accounts. Evidence has been found in his photographs that the objects he was photographing were models suspended from fishing line. And then, of course, there are the supposed photographs from his time travels, which turned out to be images from magazines. So honestly, I just don’t see any sense in it.

As for Adamski, one passage that made me question his account appears in Timothy Good’s Alien Base, a book I found very interesting and full of information. Good recounts a story told by Ray Stanford, who attributed the following remark to Adamski: “If it hadn’t been for that man Roosevelt, I wouldn’t have [had] to get into all this saucer crap.”

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Why do I believe the Billy Meier contacts?

I first want to state that everything you mention is true, and as such you are very correct to feel there is some conniving and trickery a foot.
But it is my contention that the trickery isn't Meier but instead the intelligence agencies of countries wishing to muddle, discredit and have dismissed the Meier story.

Power, control, the narrative. These are the things governments, Moguls, elite and intelligence agencies lose when faced with a unmolested narrative in so far as Meier is concerned.
Wendelle Stevens published a letter he received from an intelligence officer wishing to remain unnamed stating how easy it was to intercept Meiers photos from the department store he took them to, and replace "some" pictures with fakes that would fool Meier.

Truth can't exist on this plane of existence without obfuscation.
Take that to the bank.

So why do I believe Meier?

The hits. They just keep coming.
The state of the world RIGHT now.
Muslim uprising in France, and yes France being ultimately over thrown
from within by this Muslim population.
Stated in 1976.
The year cloning would be announced, the animal cloned and the name of the sheep, Dolly.
Explaining the year Atlantis was destroyed by a meteor and incidentally stating that also ended the ice age mega fauna.
1975, and the duo Younger/Dryass wouldn't postulate evidence of a impact line creating the extinction event until 2003.

Sasquatch...
Yeah Sasquatch
Meier states in 1975 that Sasquatch was a Chymera created in Atlantis.
Human and a now extinct ice age bear of some kind through genetic tinkering.
The David Paulides and Melba Ketchum team responsible for a full genome sequencing being done on blood and hair samples reported Sasquatch to be a creature only 15,000 years old. And further more this incredibly young biological entity was a hybrid of human and a yet to be determined or discovered animal.
Probably the extinct ice age bear Meier points to.
This full genome sequencing was done in 2015


The prediction for an American civil war.
Seemed crazy when I first read that over twenty years ago.

The huge area under the pyramid of giza capable of housing tens of thousands of people recently discovered.
This just recently came to light. Meier 1975

So yes, would intelligence agencies do their best to muddy these waters.
Yes
Yes they would

I say all of this not so you will believe me .
But that you will do your due diligence and stay the course long enough to figure this stuff out for yourself.

[Irminsül]

Hi DNA! First of all, I’d like to clarify something. In the part where I criticize Meier and Adamski, I start by saying that I was open to the possibility that they were genuine contactees. And while I’m now more inclined to think that both of them are frauds, I’m not ruling out the possibility that the opposite is true. There’s also a third alternative that reflects a pattern I’ve noticed in several contactee cases: their main experience may have been genuine, but over the years they lied about or embellished their experiences.

Let me give you a couple of examples from the part of the world where I live. Ángel Cristo Acoglanis is a very controversial figure in Argentina. I’d say that around 60% of the researchers in my country’s UFO community consider him a false contactee. But as someone who is passionate about the subject and has studied the case for decades, I can tell you that I’m absolutely convinced he was a genuine contactee.
The reason I’ve reached that conclusion is that I live just an hour and a half away from where he carried out his activities. I’ve spoken with his family members, disciples, and acquaintances. So I’ve had the opportunity to hear firsthand accounts that most ufologists and researchers in the country haven’t. Even so, many would tell me that there’s no tangible proof that he was who he claimed to be. But that isn’t always the determining factor.

My point is that the information we receive about what Meier or Adamski did, said, and demonstrated comes to us from a great distance in both time and space. Perhaps there are dozens of testimonies, details, or pieces of evidence that were lost forever and will never reach us.

I would love to believe that Meier’s and Adamski’s cases are genuine. I love the subject of contactees, and I consider it a real phenomenon. But I think it happens much less often than it appears to nowadays. On YouTube, Facebook, or Instagram, there are hundreds of “contactees,” and I get the impression that only 0.1% are who they claim to be.

Thank you for sharing the world events that Billy Meier apparently predicted. I was familiar with some of them, but not others. I’ve been looking into several, though, and they didn’t come to pass quite as you suggest (we can discuss that haha). I’ll share what I’ve found about them later.

And here’s a video about Acoglanis. His case is fascinating, but not very well known outside my country.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w0OQfLgYlE

[DNA]

Posted by Irminsül (here)
Hi DNA! First of all, I’d like to clarify something. In the part where I criticize Meier and Adamski, I start by saying that I was open to the possibility that they were genuine contactees. And while I’m now more inclined to think that both of them are frauds, I’m not ruling out the possibility that the opposite is true. There’s also a third alternative that reflects a pattern I’ve noticed in several contactee cases: their main experience may have been genuine, but over the years they lied about or embellished their experiences.

Let me give you a couple of examples from the part of the world where I live. Ángel Cristo Acoglanis is a very controversial figure in Argentina. I’d say that around 60% of the researchers in my country’s UFO community consider him a false contactee. But as someone who is passionate about the subject and has studied the case for decades, I can tell you that I’m absolutely convinced he was a genuine contactee.
The reason I’ve reached that conclusion is that I live just an hour and a half away from where he carried out his activities. I’ve spoken with his family members, disciples, and acquaintances. So I’ve had the opportunity to hear firsthand accounts that most ufologists and researchers in the country haven’t. Even so, many would tell me that there’s no tangible proof that he was who he claimed to be. But that isn’t always the determining factor.

My point is that the information we receive about what Meier or Adamski did, said, and demonstrated comes to us from a great distance in both time and space. Perhaps there are dozens of testimonies, details, or pieces of evidence that were lost forever and will never reach us.

I would love to believe that Meier’s and Adamski’s cases are genuine. I love the subject of contactees, and I consider it a real phenomenon. But I think it happens much less often than it appears to nowadays. On YouTube, Facebook, or Instagram, there are hundreds of “contactees,” and I get the impression that only 0.1% are who they claim to be.

Thank you for sharing the world events that Billy Meier apparently predicted. I was familiar with some of them, but not others. I’ve been looking into several, though, and they didn’t come to pass quite as you suggest (we can discuss that haha). I’ll share what I’ve found about them later.

And here’s a video about Acoglanis. His case is fascinating, but not very well known outside my country.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w0OQfLgYlE

Irminsul
Greetings friend.

Belief....
I'm guilty of using that word.
I wish we could invent a better barometer or unit of
measurement to describe the truth we sense in varying degrees about something.
Belief is such a simple yes or no, all or nothing misnomer.

In regards to your third option...
Yes yes yes this happens.

I love first person UFO contactee stories.
Artur Bertlet from Brazil is one of my favorites

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=KYbssbJXr2s

With Billy Meier it's easy to throw the baby out with the bath water.
It's the easy way out. Find a glaring flaw and allow that to discount all of the amazing information and data to the contrary.

There is a fourth option as well.
That would be that there is a flying craft contacting a human but the occupant isn't from another world as they claim.
This would be the case with George Adamski.
George was being contacted by Nazis post world war two probably coming from a base in Argentina or Antarctica.
Those Nazis not wanting to blow their cover gave the bogus Venus story
That same Nazi bell technology was then recreated by America who's initial pilots also lied to people they came in contact with.

Flying saucer reality freaks people out .
I sometimes wish Billy's contacts happened in a coffee shop and there were no flying saucers to consider.
What differs from Billy's story and others is the information.
The history of earth. The explanation of spirituality. The predictions about the future.
Billy would have been more successful had he dropped the flying saucers and used a turban and crystal ball.
There are no other contacts like Billy Meier.
Billy had years of interactions and instructions.
No other contact has this much information.
So much compelling information

[Irminsül]

Now that you’ve mentioned the Arthur Bertlet case, I’ve been able to connect a few dots. I’ve read material from several books in Wendelle Stevens’ “UFO Contact from Planet…” series. But I hadn’t looked into the one about Acart. Great information, thanks! I’ve been looking into the case, and it seems to have some credibility. Or at least it has never been conclusively proven false haha.

As for your claims that Orthon from the Adamski case was actually an ordinary human being from the Nazi army, or that there were bases belonging to that faction in Argentina or Antarctica, or the whole Die Glocke matter… all of that is highly questionable.

In Adamski’s case, some people want to suggest this because the alleged footprint left by the being contained a swastika-shaped symbol, his hair was blond and his eyes were green, and his craft was similar in design to the famous Haunebu. The swastika is a symbol that goes back thousands of years and has been found in different cultures all over the world, except in Oceania and Antarctica. His physical appearance doesn’t tell us anything either, because there are thousands of accounts of encounters with “extraterrestrials” (or whatever one wants to call them), and clearly they don’t all come from secret enclaves of Nazis who survived the war - if such a thing even exists.

Nazi bases have never been found in Argentina, nor is there the slightest evidence of them (I mean the kind you’re referring to; there were conventional ones). In Antarctica, there’s the controversy surrounding the much-discussed Operation Highjump. But as often happens, that alleged event has its detractors and defenders. That it was a US military and exploratory operation is a fact. That its forces were decimated by Nazi flying saucers is highly debatable and very difficult to substantiate.

The subjects of Die Glocke and the Haunebu (and Nazi UFOs in general) deserve a paragraph of their own. Igor Witkowski was the one who brought the story of the Nazi Bell to public attention. The whole thing is based on some alleged documents concerning the interrogation of an SS officer. Those documents were never presented to the public, let alone authenticated. The other thing this researcher uses to support his claims is the concrete structure known as “The Henge.” Historians and engineers have clearly identified that structure as simply the foundation of an industrial cooling tower. As for the Haunebu blueprints and those of other Nazi flying saucer models circulating online, the oldest ones apparently date back to 1972. That’s according to Michael Hesemann. Once again, there’s no way to establish where these documents came from or whether they’re genuine.

It’s true that there are a few cases of encounters with “space beings” in which, besides having a Nordic physical appearance, they spoke German, according to the contactees. The most convincing cases I found involving this are Reinhold O. Schmidt - Nebraska, November 5, 1957 and Filiberto Cárdenas - Florida, January 3, 1979. On the other hand, it’s extremely interesting that Wladyslaw Krasuski told the FBI in 1957 that, while he was a prisoner in 1944, he witnessed the following: a circular flying vehicle with a rotating central section, emerging from a heavily guarded sector of a Nazi base, that caused the engine of a nearby tractor to stop when it operated (!).


Having said all that, I don’t rule out the possibility that there really were Nazi aircraft with antigravity technology or something along those lines. I think that could have been the case. If I remember correctly, Bill Ryan mentioned that he met someone who had many photos of Nazi UFOs on his computer. And I know Bill interviewed Witkowski. It would be great if he could tell us more about both experiences.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Irminsül (here)
Having said all that, I don’t rule out the possibility that there really were Nazi aircraft with antigravity technology or something along those lines. I think that could have been the case. If I remember correctly, Bill Ryan mentioned that he met someone who had many photos of Nazi UFOs on his computer. And I know Bill interviewed Witkowski. It would be great if he could tell us more about both experiences.

Here's our Igor Witkowski interview from October 2009:

https://odysee.com/@thisworldworks:1...,-Die-Glocke:2

Source: https://odysee.com/$/embed/@thisworldworks:1/Igor-Witkowski---Interview-with-Project-Camelot-COMPLETE-Joseph-Farrell,-Nazi-UFOs,-Die-Glocke:2

And yes, in 2019 I spent a full day with a German researcher who happened to be visiting Ecuador. He showed me a folder on his laptop of over 100 black-and-white photos of Nazi flying disks, a few of them already on the net but most of them quite new to me. Some of them were very clear, and not photoshopped at all. He would not let me copy them, but I saw them with my own eyes.

[DNA]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Irminsül (here)
Having said all that, I don’t rule out the possibility that there really were Nazi aircraft with antigravity technology or something along those lines. I think that could have been the case. If I remember correctly, Bill Ryan mentioned that he met someone who had many photos of Nazi UFOs on his computer. And I know Bill interviewed Witkowski. It would be great if he could tell us more about both experiences.

Here's our Igor Witkowski interview from October 2009:

https://odysee.com/@thisworldworks:1...,-Die-Glocke:2

Source: https://odysee.com/$/embed/@thisworldworks:1/Igor-Witkowski---Interview-with-Project-Camelot-COMPLETE-Joseph-Farrell,-Nazi-UFOs,-Die-Glocke:2

And yes, in 2019 I spent a full day with a German researcher who happened to be visiting Ecuador. He showed me a folder on his laptop of over 100 black-and-white photos of Nazi flying disks, a few of them already on the net but most of them quite new to me. Some of them were very clear, and not photoshopped at all. He would not let me copy them, but I saw them with my own eyes.

Cronos and time travel
At an hour and two minutes into this Igor mentions Cronos.
You correctly observe the obvious connection to time.
Is Cronos or time somehow in connection to the Nazi Bell and it's antigravity field?

Jason Jorjani, maybe my least favorite of his theories that he builds on a little too much in my opinion
would be that the Nazi Bell not only gave the Germans antigravity, it gave them time travel.
Time traveling Nazis,
As a result the impressive robust Nordics we see flying in advanced ships today are the genetic ancestors of Nazi Germans who have gone back in time and started successful civilizations on earth and Mars.

This all thanks to the Nazi Bell which is Antigravity and time travel built in one.

I think it's just a convenient way to take all considerations on this topic and wrap them up into
a nice neat tidy and easy to unwrap package.

But...
I'm open to data.
Bill are you aware of any more data in connection with Cronos and time travel in so how it relates with the Nazi Bell?

I would like to understand where Jorjani is coming from because honestly I don't.
At least not about this.
Also I'm pretty sure you and Kerry paid Billy Meier a visit while doing this Igor Witowski interview.
Any thoughts on that?
Thank you

Okay, I asked an AI search engine.
So here it is.


Project Chronos and Time Travel in Nazi Bell Literature
"Project Chronos" (or Projekt Cronos) and time travel are central elements in the literature and claims surrounding Die Glocke (The Nazi Bell). The connection originated with Polish researcher Igor Witkowski, who first popularized the story, and it was subsequently integrated into the books and theories of Joseph P. Farrell, Jim Marrs, and Nick Cook.
The specific narratives and code names connect to time travel in the following ways:
1. The Code Name: Project Chronos
According to Witkowski and Farrell, the overarching umbrella operation for the Nazi Bell was officially code-named Project Chronos (named after the Greek personification of time). Authors often pair this with another reported code name, Laternenträger (Lantern Bearer).
2. Joseph P. Farrell's "Torsion" Theory
In his books (such as "The SS Brotherhood of the Bell" and "Nazi International"), Joseph P. Farrell explicitly discusses Project Chronos. However, Farrell argues that the Nazis weren't trying to build a Hollywood-style "time machine". Instead, he posits that they were trying to manipulate torsion fields to tap into the very fabric of space-time. In Farrell's view, manipulating gravity and manipulating time are mathematically linked; you cannot alter one without affecting the other.
Farrell famously used this theory to speculate that the 1965 Kecksburg, Pennsylvania UFO crash—which involved a cone/bell-shaped object—was actually the Nazi Bell itself, having warped or shot forward through time from 1945.
3. Jim Marrs and the Nazi Escape Narrative
In books like "The Rise of the Fourth Reich", Jim Marrs leaned into the time-distortion aspects of the Bell to explain how high-ranking Nazis, specifically SS General Hans Kammler, vanished at the end of World War II. Marrs and other researchers suggested that Kammler might have escaped not just geographically (to South America or Antarctica), but temporally—stepping into a localized space-time window generated by the Bell. Marrs also prominently discussed these time-travel implications on programs like "Ancient Aliens".
4. Glimpses into the Past
Another recurring claim in this niche literature (later echoed by writers like Henry Stevens) is that Project Chronos utilized a concave mirror on top of the Bell. The theory suggests that when the Bell's counter-rotating cylinders spun its plasma fuel (Xerum 525) at high speeds, it distorted time enough to allow scientists to view "images or glimpses from the past" inside the mirror.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by DNA (here)
Bill are you aware of any more data in connection with Cronos and time travel in so how it relates with the Nazi Bell?

Well, space and time and so intimately interconnected according to General Relativity that it has to be possible that (somehow!) messing with gravity enables one to also mess with time.

We pretty much know that the Nazis had flying disks, even though they were primitive experimental ones. And many ufologists have speculated that at least some of the UFOs that have been reported for decades now are also time machines, with the occupants, maybe some of our own human descendants, visiting us from the future. (I quite strongly agree with this.)

Re the 'Nazi Bell' as some kind of time machine, some have speculated that the well-known December 1965 Kecksburg UFO crash, in which the recovered vehicle was kind of acorn-shaped and appeared very much like what the Bell was supposed to have looked like, was evidence that the Nazis, either deliberately or accidentally, got the Bell to transport itself 20 years into the future. (I'm far from convinced of this, but it's been discussed quite a lot.)

Posted by DNA (here)
Also I'm pretty sure you and Kerry paid Billy Meier a visit while doing this Igor Witkowski interview.
Any thoughts on that?

Yes, we went to Billy Meier's Swiss farm, where one of the barns has been turned into a small visitor center. We asked to meet Billy, on or off the record, but he declined as he no longer trusts any "American reporters". We really tried our best to get to see him, explaining that we were very sympathetic to his testimony, but he just wouldn't budge.

However, the visitor center was impressive. It showcased huge high-quality prints of all his photos, in far higher resolution than anything you see online. That alone was entirely worth the visit.

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(Off-topic here, but my own stance on Billy is that I believe at least some of his earlier experiences were entirely real and are extremely hard to explain away. That's been substantiated by George Green, who got to know Billy well. We knew George ourselves, of course, and listened to his persuasively credible personal accounts of Billy with great interest.

Whether Billy later started to fake things is open to debate, and I do think that has to be possible — which if so, is really unfortunate. And as I think you agree, his PR representative Michael Horn just doesn't help in any way and is so aggressive and unlikable that he does Billy no favors at all.)

[Irminsül]

Thanks, Bill, for sharing the video of the interview with Witkowski and your comment about what you saw on that researcher’s PC, with the photos of Nazi UFOs.

I don’t think one of these two things being true necessarily means the other is too. So, for now, my position remains the same as before: I think there were (or are?) UFOs of Nazi origin. As for Die Glocke, I couldn’t say I’m sure such a device existed. Although Igor presents a coherent, well-constructed narrative, nothing he says in his account constitutes unequivocal or absolute proof. In fact, everything he presents ultimately amounts to testimony. It’s up to each of us whether to believe it or not. I know that’s often how things are with these topics. But in other “apocryphal” investigations, so to speak, there is at least one additional source supporting the proposed explanation, some physical evidence (however minimal), or something along those lines.

As for the ability of UFO occupants to travel through time, that certainly comes up quite often in these cases. Some examples are: the woman at Lake Casitas - California, September 1985; the encounter with “Abaris” - Bashkortostan, Russia, October 21, 1989; Betty Andreasson - Massachusetts, January 25, 1967; etc.


I’d especially like to mention the case of Enrique Castillo Rincón, the Costa Rican contactee. Since I had the chance to investigate his case in depth, I’ve had him on my short list of contactees I consider genuine. I think his case is relevant to our discussion for the following reason. The beings he interacted with were blond and blue-eyed, and they explicitly told him they came from the Pleiades. On several occasions, they indicated that they could manipulate time. When he asked them how long it had taken them to reach Earth from the Pleiades, they replied: “For you, millions of years ago [...] For us, we’ve only just left.” Later, when Enrique wanted to operate some controls that regulated the rotation speed of some crystals, they told him that two minutes of doing so would mean jumping ahead 200 Earth years. The Pleiadians stated that they could travel both into the past and into the future (though the latter was more dangerous). They also told him that the past cannot be changed (actually, it can, but doing so has catastrophic consequences), whereas the future can.