What do you guys think caused the Japanese earthquake/tsunami?

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

I just kind of want to hear what you guys think to try to establish a consensus. I will provide supporting evidence for the two sides of the debate that I am aware of (all sides that i am unaware of are wlecome to be discussed as well)

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According to Heizo Takenaka, Japan has already been threatened by the PTB with a HAARP offensive earthquake attack. It looks like they may have carried one out already.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZRIuYxmeppY

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This is an interesting post from an avalonian called mobius. There is a link in the post to a supporting article.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...pan+earthquake

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So the two theories that I am asking about are:

A) The coming supermoon (or other undisclosed astrological phenomena) caused the Japanese earthquake/tsunami.

B) HAARP caused the Japanese earthquake and the American PTB were behind it.

Which theory do you guys think is more likely?

[Hervé]

Check out this other thread/posts for some data regarding the above dividing theories...

Posted by the_flyingboy (here)
i was watching videos in youtube and check this out!!!

why not both?

[sygh]

This is how I look at it... speculation is no good. The next is not speculation: If this was man made, then those who did this know who they are and will suffer real consequences. I won't go by what Ben Fulford says, as I think it is a way to put people at odds.

To Benjamin Fulford, if you have proof, show the world and let the chips fall on those responsible; otherwise, Ben, shutup!

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

Well I would think that one would be more responsible than the other even if both theories were partly correct.

[Nairnia]

How about c) Naturally occuring earthquake

[sygh]

Posted by AlternativeInfoJunkie (here)
Well I would think that one would be more responsible than the other even if both theories were partly correct.

I do as well, it's one, it's the other, or it's both. But what good does it do for the Japanese people who are currently suffering to speculate on their tragedy?

Let those who do know come forth. Let those who accuse step forward but not without solid proof. After all the lies we've been told, why build more lies?

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

Ok C) naturally occuring earthquake is now officially a choice. So just to recap we have one vote for both, one for "shut up Ben Fullford," and one for C) naturally occuring earthquake. Avalonians are very independant minded! And I mean that as a sincere compliment to this community.

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

Posted by sygh (here)

Posted by AlternativeInfoJunkie (here)
Well I would think that one would be more responsible than the other even if both theories were partly correct.

I do as well, it's one, it's the other, or it's both. But what good does it do for the Japanese people who are currently suffering to speculate on their tragedy?

Let those who do know come forth. Let those who accuse step forward but not without solid proof. After all the lies we've been told, why build more lies?

O my apologies sygh. I meant that (one more responsible than the other) as a reply to amzer zo. Amzer actually literally said "why not both." But What do you mean "build more lies?" who do you believe is building more lies?

[Yoda]

Posted by AlternativeInfoJunkie (here)
Ok C) naturally occuring earthquake is now officially a choice. So just to recap we have one vote for both, one for "shut up Ben Fullford," and one for C) naturally occuring earthquake. Avalonians are very independant minded! And I mean that as a sincere compliment to this community.

We are totally entrained with Solar activity. We had a week of M class eruptions, then an X class the day before. All it would take to leverage a major activity, would be a small boost from the Haarp facility of your choice, and voila, a major disaster. They always leverage, whatever is already there.
Pierre

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

Posted by Yoda (here)

Posted by AlternativeInfoJunkie (here)
Ok C) naturally occuring earthquake is now officially a choice. So just to recap we have one vote for both, one for "shut up Ben Fullford," and one for C) naturally occuring earthquake. Avalonians are very independant minded! And I mean that as a sincere compliment to this community.

We are totally entrained with Solar activity. We had a week of M class eruptions, then an X class the day before. All it would take to leverage a major activity, would be a small boost from the Haarp facility of your choice, and voila, a major disaster. They always leverage, whatever is already there.
Pierre

Very astute observations yoda. Thank you for your input.

[Hervé]

Posted by AlternativeInfoJunkie (here)
Well I would think that one would be more responsible than the other even if both theories were partly correct.

Fair enough... how about the whole combination of planetary alignments/ tuggings + electromagnetic storm from sun and comets/dwarf thingy + earth's magnetic field barely maintaining its compass + tectonic pressure...?

AND... just to make sure something does occur at the right spot.... a little HAARP energizing?

Hence, plausible deniability can be called upon, i.e. it's all natural! See?

PS: Yoda, I was writing while you posted... good stuff!

[king anthony]

Speculation of earthquake causes have been based on (examples); some earthquakes having exact depths, HAARP activity during these events, glowing skies prior to events, such issues as vertigo with human beings and death of species (land, water and air) worldwide. These things may be by design or may be by chance - is it not best to err on the side of caution!?

[Hervé]

To quote myself on this:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

I see that your table started in 2000; hence this question: would you have a similar table from 1994 backward to whenever statistically significant?

Simply because HAARP officially started in 1994. Therefore, all the data in your table could be assumed to be a HAARP "normal" distribution... experimenting with it.

Thx

What I notice is that a "surge" in EQ>8 begins in 1994. Hence it doesn't seem that HAARP type of technology can be dismissed, yet.

1) Apparently there is some rebellion going on with respect to US Treasury/Fed Reserve tactics, if any credit is to be given to Fullford et al.

2) I posted somewhere about a straw on a camel back being already loaded with Sun+Moon tug, electromagnetic storm raging, Earth's magnetic field going nuts and barely maintaining a north pole,etc... hence, only a few megawatts of HAARP nicely pinpointed and there you have your added straw.

3) I don't have data on that one but definitely the right question to ask: Qui bono?

As for the "could generate," check out the video in my post (#23) above Bollinger's original table.

Thx

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by Revere (here)

Three hours ago as I first awoke I turned on the TV to catch a live interview on CNN with a woman (civilian/ non-news person) in Japan. I wish I could find the interview to attach it. The interesting part was she was trying to move the interview to her perplexity concerning the very strange cloud formations she was seeing and claiming that the earthquake had made them! The CNN Anchor would have none of that topic and steered the interview back to their usual drivel that her producer was probably shouting in her ear to ask the interviewee.

I know we all love to speculate on Haarp around here but are their historical precedents for such natural phenomenon after a quake? Yes, we are probably back to speculating that this was HAARP related but I like to look at all possibilities. Could this be a natural affect?

-R-

To support the above with some visual:

Attachment 5871

I unfortunately do not have the exact date/time for this NASA shot, but it was between March 11 and the end of March 12.

Look at the cloud pattern... some would just utter: "Yep, HAARP!"

I did...

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… there is a very infamous US Government official who was heard uttering something to the effect of "Never let a good catastrophy go to waste." I think it's someone like Bernanke or the like?

Especially when said catastrophy is/was arm twisted into occurence...

Just say'n.

So... no black and white, clear cut, textbook evidence; so as to confuse everyone to a max.

[Anchor]

Since you asked, I think the Earthquake was provoked by TPTW rather than nature.

I don't say HAARP because I don't know if that was the method used.

[davyj0nes]

i am blaming it on HAARP. i look at the epicenter, and the geo-political situation, and it all signs point to 'someone' *coughbuchenycough* playing with the earthquake machine. I'm always willing to be wrong, and it could just be a natural occurrence, but there are too many serendipitous signposts.

[mondaze]

MAP 5.1 2011/03/09 07:56:28 38.849 142.929 10.7 NEAR THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
MAP 5.0 2011/03/09 07:13:48 38.246 143.108 9.9 OFF THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
MAP 5.1 2011/03/09 06:25:12 38.299 143.067 10.8 OFF THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
MAP 4.9 2011/03/09 06:12:13 38.681 143.022 10.0 OFF THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
MAP 2.9 2011/03/09 05:33:50 52.713 -161.842 25.0 SOUTH OF ALASKA
MAP 4.7 2011/03/09 05:27:06 37.830 145.135 10.0 OFF THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
MAP 5.3 2011/03/09 04:45:54 38.543 142.740 27.0 NEAR THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
MAP 5.7 2011/03/09 04:37:04 38.666 142.991 25.5 NEAR THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
MAP 5.2 2011/03/09 04:32:10 38.727 143.001 32.1 OFF THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
MAP 3.0 2011/03/09 04:17:17 34.280 -116.839 6.7 SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
MAP 4.8 2011/03/09 04:15:39 38.857 142.658 12.6 NEAR THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
MAP 5.2 2011/03/09 04:05:54 38.870 142.420 10.9 NEAR THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
source: usgs.gov
there is a sequence shown above, of seismic events at 10.00 metres. This is considered to be the depth which haarp reaches. This is at the beginning of the series of quakes. Given the other data amassed here over the last few days, i would suggest the evidence, if only circumstantial, is fairly striking. They lit the match and retired to a safe distance!

[sygh]

Posted by AlternativeInfoJunkie (here)

Posted by sygh (here)

Posted by AlternativeInfoJunkie (here)
Well I would think that one would be more responsible than the other even if both theories were partly correct.

I do as well, it's one, it's the other, or it's both. But what good does it do for the Japanese people who are currently suffering to speculate on their tragedy?

Let those who do know come forth. Let those who accuse step forward but not without solid proof. After all the lies we've been told, why build more lies?

O my apologies sygh. I meant that (one more responsible than the other) as a reply to amzer zo. Amzer actually literally said "why not both." But What do you mean "build more lies?" who do you believe is building more lies?

I'm sorry it took me so long to respond. I guess I haven't made myself clear, forgive me for any misconceptions.

I'm not upset with anything you said; I promise. I actually think this was nature but I wouldn't put it past TPTB to flourish the damage, considering the killer agenda on the table. I just want proof, not speculation coming from Ben Fulford, or anyone, as I recall lessons from years past, as I recall 9-11-01, etc, etc, etc... ad nausium.

I will not blindly follow someone else telling me he went thatta way, and I'm not saying you would either. I'm simply stressing that we cannot go around making accusations like this without proof. So, I'm warning us all to be careful, when it comes to speculating.

What is happening in Japan is really serious with hellacious consequences for the people in Japan who are struggleing and suffering in ways unimaginable. The charges Benjamin Fulford is making are serious accusations with very serious consequences, and they better be built on something more than "what if". Ben has accused the US PTB of doing this. Is this a game? I don't want it starting a war, I want the guilty parties to answer for what they've done, "if" it turns out to be that what Ben has accused the US PTB is true but not the country -because the country isn't behind this.

Further, is Ben talking for China? Is Ben representing the White Dragons? Is Ben talking for Ben? Is Ben playing a power card? What? And why should I trust invisible CIA sources?

Peace.

Robin

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

Posted by sygh (here)

Posted by AlternativeInfoJunkie (here)

Posted by sygh (here)

Posted by AlternativeInfoJunkie (here)
Well I would think that one would be more responsible than the other even if both theories were partly correct.

I do as well, it's one, it's the other, or it's both. But what good does it do for the Japanese people who are currently suffering to speculate on their tragedy?

Let those who do know come forth. Let those who accuse step forward but not without solid proof. After all the lies we've been told, why build more lies?

O my apologies sygh. I meant that (one more responsible than the other) as a reply to amzer zo. Amzer actually literally said "why not both." But What do you mean "build more lies?" who do you believe is building more lies?

I'm sorry it took me so long to respond. I guess I haven't made myself clear, forgive me for any misconceptions.

I'm not upset with anything you said; I promise. I actually think this was nature but I wouldn't put it past TPTB to flourish the damage, considering the killer agenda on the table. I just want proof, not speculation coming from Ben Fulford, or anyone, as I recall lessons from years past, as I recall 9-11-01, etc, etc, etc... ad nausium.

I will not blindly follow someone else telling me he went thatta way, and I'm not saying you would either. I'm simply stressing that we cannot go around making accusations like this without proof. So, I'm warning us all to be careful, when it comes to speculating.

What is happening in Japan is really serious with hellacious consequences for the people in Japan who are struggleing and suffering in ways unimaginable. The charges Benjamin Fulford is making are serious accusations with very serious consequences, and they better be built on something more than "what if". Ben has accused the US PTB of doing this. Is this a game? I don't want it starting a war, I want the guilty parties to answer for what they've done, "if" it turns out to be that what Ben has accused the US PTB is true but not the country -because the country isn't behind this.

Further, is Ben talking for China? Is Ben representing the White Dragons? Is Ben talking for Ben? Is Ben playing a power card? What? And why should I trust invisible CIA sources?

Peace.

Robin

ok sygh position clarified. thanks for your input! i found everybodies replies very helpful and informative and i understand, and apreciate your desire to be cautious about such delicate subjects. Thanks again!
-peace back!
AIJ