THAT WAS MASSIVE 9.1 in Japan (Tsunami)

[An Cailleach]

Posted by nearing (here)
Thanks, AC. I know 6 is really bad.

I think if this is upgraded to a 7, a lot more than just the poor people of Japan will be affected.

Hi Nearing

If a relatively small number of spent rods catching fire was gonna be enough to make this disaster like chernobyl (excuse my previous spelling)-on-steroids, then what is over 1 million spent rods on fire going to do?

From other thread:
'I did the math earlier. All those rods are 5% used = 95% active. One reactor was using MOX (ie plutonium)

217,350 x 6 reactors in F 1 alone = 1,304,100 rods.

How much radiation comes out of each rod - any ideas anyone??? '

Scary!

[Icecold]

Yes Nearing, I saw the 'level 7' statement and I think it was an assumption based upon the premise .....if things get progressively worse....it will then be a level 7.

Hi Nearing

If a relatively small number of spent rods catching fire was gonna be enough to make this disaster like chernobyl (excuse my previous spelling)-on-steroids, then what is over 1 million spent rods on fire going to do?

From other thread:
'I did the math earlier. All those rods are 5% used = 95% active. One reactor was using MOX (ie plutonium)

217,350 x 6 reactors in F 1 alone = 1,304,100 rods.

How much radiation comes out of each rod - any ideas anyone??? '

Well that will be a level 7 disaster plus....! The rods are a mixture of plutonium and uranium....
the greater quantity being uranium.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fuel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Ja...ncidents#2010s


If spent fuel rods catch fire at ***ushima Daiichi nuclear power plant “all bets are off,” Robert Alvarez a US expert on nuclear disarmament and environmental and energy said yesterday in a news media teleconference entitled Japan Reactor Crisis. "They don't have the situation under control," Alvarez said. He added that there's still the possibility that the spent fuel rods will become exposed, igniting a reaction that could prove to be worse than Chernobyl.

“Along with the struggle to cool the reactors is the potential danger about the inability to cool the plant's spent nuclear fuel pools,” Avarez said. “They can catch fire if the water is drained or boils off. They are in much more vulnerable buildings. The building was designed by General Electric. They have spent fuel pools that are several stories above ground. There have been two hydrogen explosions that destroyed reactor building. It’s important to understand that the spent fuel pool is not under any containment.

He went onto say that spent pools hold more radioactive fuel than a reactor.
“In 2003, my colleagues and I published a study that indicated that if a pool were drained, and we were looking at acts of terror, we concluded that a major release of Cesium from a Zerconium fire could render and area uninhabitable greater than Chernobyl created. We recommend they be stored in dry facility. A partially or completely drained spent fuel could lead to...release of large quantities of radioactivity to the environment.”

The experts talked about the need to store spent fuel rods in dry storage in the future, but noted that government authorities have resisted this due to the costs of shifting from water storage to dry storage.

Meanwhile, Arjun Makhijani, Ph.D., president of the Institute for Energy and Environmental Research confirmed official statements that the danger of radiation exposure to people on the West Coast of North America is “minimal.”

“It’s thousands of miles away and the dilution is very great, in terms of individual exposure," Makhijani said. "The dangers are to the people of Japan.”

The spent fueld rods at ***ushima Daiichi are still radioactive and potentially as hot and dangerous as the fuel rods inside the reactors if not kept submerged in water, Makhijani said. “When you unload spent fuel from a reactor, it has to be stored under water for years.”

The government of Japan has been “not forthcoming” with real information about the plant and was seeking to calm the population above all else,” Aileen Mioko Smith, director of Green Action, Kyoto, Japan said. Mioko Smith has been a leading critic of nuclear power in Japan for 30 years and is maintaining close contact with Japanese colleagues during a visit to San Francisco.

“It’s eerily calm,” Mioko Smith said. “They don’t have the answers. They’re very fearful that anything might panic the public so they try to remain calm.They want to cover it up as long as possible. There’s very little transparency in Japan. There’s a complete whitewash.”

"It's hard to imagine we should take the reassurances by the government at face value," Makhijani agreed.


Modelling Of Fuel Rod Hydriding Failures In Water Reactors
http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&so...rMDqovqg3O4HYg

[nearing]

Thanks, all.

Not going to be easy to sleep tonight. Man, what might we wake up to?

Love to all, especially the Japanese...nite.

[An Cailleach]

Am I right in thinking that with the jet stream carrying radiation, the fallout will be spread further, wider and faster than the radiation from Chernobyl?

[Maria Stade]

Posted by An Cailleach (here)
Am I right in thinking that with the jet stream carrying radiation, the fallout will be spread further, wider and faster than the radiation from Chernobyl?

Yes you think right ! And rain and so on.

[panopticon]

G'day,

Image showing what the different levels mean:


Fact sheet from IAEA website:
http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Fac...glish/ines.pdf

Kind Regards,
Panopticon

[Chuck]

The following is speculation on my part.

A lot of news lately of increased cosmic radiation not only from the sun but also from the center of the galaxy and other exploding stars. EMVs in and around the sun as reported by James Horak have been more active for our benefit and protection.

So this cosmic radiation (hydrogen protons, alpha and beta particles) is increasing. No need to convince this crowd. This HAS to influence the stability of highly radioactive isotopes, especially enriched Uranium 235 and Plutonium 239 AND especially weapons grade U235 which is 20% or more U235.

This high influx of energetic particles from solar and cosmic sources normally would not be a concern in the natural environment since naturally occurring uranium has only 0.7% U235. We, mankind, in our appetite for war and destruction have concentrated those unstable atoms in huge quantities. Granted, they are not weapons grade in nuclear energy reactors but still far higher in concentrations than nature intended.

Would not an increase in cosmic radiation affect spontaneous fission in enriched uranium??! I daresay it would absolutely! Especially if that fission process was given a little extra nudge by not cooling it down sufficiently or in a timely manner.

I think all the safety charts, tolerance levels should be rewritten or at least compensated for an increase in background radioactive emissions (cosmic radiation).

This might be the beginning of a trend on Earth… increase in spontaneous fission of all particles but notably on the unstable heavier elements to start.

I’m sure people like George Kavassilas would agree who has been quoted saying, “every particle on this planet is approaching infinite instability”.

[jcocks]

Latest news says they have given up the fight. Yes guys, in my eyes, we're looking at a level 7 even now. They've had to retreat from efforts to cool the reators as it's too hot (radioactive) for them to safely be there ...

This is just horrible. Ski - if you're still there , get out!

link : http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-...lear-disaster/

Quote from the article :

“It’s more of a surrender,” said David Lochbaum, a nuclear engineer who now heads the nuclear safety program for the Union of Concerned Scientists, an activist group. “It’s not like you wait 10 days and the radiation goes away. In that 10 days things are going to get worse.”

“It’s basically a sign that there’s nothing left to do but throw in the towel,” Mr Lochbaum said.

Update : Ok, now workers have been allowed back in.... this is really going at a million miles an hour. I still think it looks rather grave there tho....but at least they're still trying to keep things cool....

[An Cailleach]

To quote Michael Jackson: THIS IS IT!!

There really is no going back from all of this. The sleeping public is in for a sudden spontaneous awakening I feel...and very soon. It's incredible to even imagine that the 2012 awakening is happening right in front of our eyes..this very minute. I know this is mother nature's doing as far as most are concerned, but I can't help but feel that there is something sinister amplifying her work.

If the back-to-back disasters continue to take place around the world then people will have no choice but to turn to their higher selves for protection and advice. Even if they don't 'get it' about the PTB, they will soon understand that life is more than car tax, council tax, house-size, bling quantity, social status, beauracracy etc. Once they acknowledge that, the next step of acknowledging the conspiracy will be easy-peezy.

This will become the leveller that we need to create the holographic society that will change humanity's quality of existence here on earth. But oh, there is so, so much suffering ahead...

I hope Irishspirit doesn't mind me quoting this from the other forum:

Spirit; protect and cherish our Brothers and sisters in Japan and wider a field.
Protect their children and keep them safe in your light.
Show them the love and compassion that flows from me to you,
Breath your precious Air above the Sky you blessed so,
Japan, our brothers and sister, we will never forget you, we send our love and energy, we hold your hearts with our.

Hear, hear.

[panopticon]

Posted by jcocks (here)
Latest news says they have given up the fight. Yes guys, in my eyes, we're looking at a level 7 even now. They've had to retreat from efforts to cool the reators as it's too hot (radioactive) for them to safely be there ...
This is just horrible. Ski - if you're still there , get out!
link : http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-...lear-disaster/

G'day jcocks,

The workers were only out for an hour.
The report from Reuters was that the radiation levels got too high.

2:53 PM -- Workers ordered to leave the ***ushima plant have been allowed back after radiation levels fell, the Japan nuclear agency said.
Pumping of seawater at reactors at No. 1, 2 and 3 was proceeding smoothly, it said.
(Reuters)

AEST at time of post 4:48PM

Kind Regards,
Panopticon

Addendum:
Above quote was from ABC Australia 'Japan Earthquake Live'
The 'in post link' is to the original article by Reuters.

[jcocks]

It's like they've been trying to herd cats for the last 4 days or so...... I do not, under any circumstances, envy them one bit. I just pray they can keep the situation from getting too out-of-control...

[panopticon]

G'day All,

Found this on Reuters Live Japanese Quake Feed:

You can check radiation figures at Ibaraki Prefecture (between the reactors and Tokyo) with a 10 minute delay at www.houshasen-pref-ibaraki.jp
comment by Jimmy edited by Reuters_TonyTharakan at 5:00 PM

Don't know how much use it is but might help someone.

Kind Regards,
Panopticon

[Hybrid5226]

Arrowwind

Is there any validity to to getting iodine levels up to good levels with sea vegetables an then not needing the tablets?



1 sheet of sushi nori is 70% of iodine if incorporated in the diet ?

[panopticon]

G'day All,

Well I've been told it's time for my "nanna nap" so here's some final reports that I found in my wonderings:

• Good link with photos of reactor #4 from NHK.

• Taken from Kyodo News:

Status of quake-stricken reactors at ***ushima nuclear power plants
TOKYO, March 16, Kyodo

The following is the known status as of Wednesday afternoon of each of the six reactors at the ***ushima No. 1 nuclear power plant and the four reactors at the ***ushima No. 2 plant, both in ***ushima Prefecture, which were crippled by Friday's magnitude 9.0 earthquake and the ensuing tsunami.

***ushima No. 1 plant

-- Reactor No. 1 - Cooling failure, partial melting of core, vapor vented, building damaged Saturday by hydrogen explosion, seawater being pumped in.

-- Reactor No. 2 - Cooling failure, seawater being pumped in, fuel rods fully exposed temporarily, vapor vented, building damaged Monday by blast at Reactor No. 3, damage to containment vessel on Tuesday, potential meltdown feared.

-- Reactor No. 3 - Cooling failure, partial melting of core feared, vapor vented, seawater being pumped in, building damaged Monday by hydrogen explosion, high-level radiation measured nearby on Tuesday, plume of smoke observed Wednesday, damage to containment vessel likely.

-- Reactor No. 4 - Under maintenance when quake struck, fire Tuesday possibly caused by hydrogen explosion at pool holding spent fuel rods, pool water level not observed, fire observed Wednesday at building housing reactor, no water poured in to cool pool.

-- Reactor No. 5, No. 6 - Under maintenance when quake struck, temperature slightly rising in spent fuel pool.

***ushima No. 2 plant

-- Reactor No. 1, No. 2, No. 4 - Cooling failure, then cold shutdown.

-- Reactor No. 3 - Cold shutdown.

I hope that this situation does not result in the catastrophic nuclear event that so many are talking of.
The people of Japan have been through enough already.

Best wishes to you SKI.

Kind Regards,
Panopticon

[bennycog]

Posted by Teakai (here)
Thanks for the info Benny, but I didn't post the video so people would rush out and buy iodine. I posted it because this is a link about the Japanese earthquake and people are posting updates here. This, I think is the latest "official" report in regard to radiation.

I have no idea what people will choose to do in regard to iodine and wouldn't like to hazard a guess. They won't have much luck buying it here, though - they don't sell it over the counter.

You're not suggesting that I shouldn't have posted the link in case people act irresponsibly are you?

Never my intention to make it sound like that lol.. I added my info after watching it because from what you see there would be portrayed in many other news reports, and The people watching it would use the info as something they needed to buy and take right away.. Hence overuse and contracting the same adverse reactions as what they were trying to prevent..
Sorry if it sounded directed to you miss T i am your local nutter lol here to help you all the way..
much love

[Teakai]

Posted by bennycog (here)
Never my intention to make it sound like that lol.. I added my info after watching it because from what you see there would be portrayed in many other news reports, and The people watching it would use the info as something they needed to buy and take right away.. Hence overuse and contracting the same adverse reactions as what they were trying to prevent..
Sorry if it sounded directed to you miss T i am your local nutter lol here to help you all the way..
much love

No worries, Benny.

But, I saw this report today - and it made me wonder if the iodine is really as bad as its made out to be. Why can other countries buy it over the counter?

Now the surgeon general in the US is recommending people be prepared and get some. It seems it would be pretty irresponsible of the surgeon general to be so blase about the taking of it or giving it to children without authorised controls if it was so bad for people - and again, would people be able to buy it over the counter?

"Worried Americans are panic-buying drugs to protect themselves against the nuclear fallout in Japan after the U.S. Surgeon General warned 'be prepared'.

Regina Benjamin said it was right to be prepared for harmful radiation that could blow across to the West Coast following explosions at the Fukushima plant in Japan - in contrast to guidance from state officials.
Ms Benjamin made the remarks to NBC Bay Area while touring a California hospital on Tuesday. Anbex quickly sold out of a 10,000-strong supply of 14-tablet packages of potassium iodide pills on Saturday."


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1Gke0emw7

[ThePythonicCow]

A tiny bit of good news - we have just changed the cuss word censor for this forum's software so that Fukushima can now be typed in posts and URL's without getting mangled into ***ushima.

[Humble Janitor]

Posted by An Cailleach (here)
Am I right in thinking that with the jet stream carrying radiation, the fallout will be spread further, wider and faster than the radiation from Chernobyl?

Actually, I read a report somewhere that the radiation would have to rise high enough in order to join the jet stream. Something like that.

Even so, I've also read that it would likely weaken over the Pacific Ocean, hopefully lessening the impact.

It's important that we look at this disaster in a rational way, as opposed to a sensationalist way.

[Dionysus]

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
I've been asking for Thorium reactors to replace Uranium...

Yes, this is the best way forward with nuclear power that I know of. Feasibility has already been proven with a test reactor in one of the Scandinavian countries (Sweden?). IMO, far better alternative than burning fossil fuels. Plus no possible nuclear weapon proliferation.

So why has this not been promoted on a large scale?

[Dionysus]

I hope you don't mind, but I copied and pasted this to Face Book. I felt this was so powerful, so heartfelt, that it had to reach a wider audience. This is what the larger world has to see, not the media circus.