What's wrong with ATS?

[aroundthetable]

Bill doesn't seem to rate ATS very highly and i am wondering why and if this view is shared by Avalon members. Personally i find it at least as good a source of news as Avalon is, and quite frankly i find it to be more incisive in many areas, including some very good research. I also find the facts to drama ratio considerably higher than here. Perhaps that is because ATS has a clear intention i.e. news, whereas Avalon often flounders when it comes to a clear purpose. That is not necessarily a bad thing, maybe Avalon focuses more on general discussion and therefore it is a different kind of fish. But the point remains...what is the problem with ATS?

[TigaHawk]

I've noticed alot of support for Scorch Faal.

Reading their threads is like reading a magazine you pickup from the news agency. There's more censored/blacked out posts than there is actual posts (in reference to more advertising than news articles in magazines)


They take things like this - very seriously.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread673511/pg1

Even tho it's obvious to most that it's more than likely a cat running like a bat out of hell across debree trying to get to safety. (that is if you can actualy see what they're referring to as the UFO first view - without reading the comments)

They even had a thread with some #%@# aussie kid out bush with a laser pointer and an aliens mask that did a series of 4 video's. Anyone with seemingly half a brain would be able to come to the same conclusion that it's a product of a kid's boredom. But the seriousness of all the members in that thread - including the fact they actualy got the youtube uploader to come and chat about it too - was kinda worrying.

I guess tho - this is what happens when you're a more.. widely known of site?

Much more noise to filter out - and because of that i think the community degenerates.

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by aroundthetable (here)
Bill doesn't seem to rate ATS very highly and i am wondering why and if this view is shared by Avalon members. Personally i find it at least as good a source of news as Avalon is, and quite frankly i find it to be more incisive in many areas, including some very good research. I also find the facts to drama ratio considerably higher than here. Perhaps that is because ATS has a clear intention i.e. news, whereas Avalon often flounders when it comes to a clear purpose. That is not necessarily a bad thing, maybe Avalon focuses more on general discussion and therefore it is a different kind of fish. But the point remains...what is the problem with ATS?

This place is in a different category altogether.
This is not a news site, even though we have news.
I have read some of the threads at ATS and all I can say is that I wouldn't last long there due to nuggetry.
I can tell that my homocidal tendancies would be too strong to control having to wade through all the nuggets.

[kerbie]

It's the rules of the internet dude.

Rule number 437 - Thou must hate all similar forums to the one you frequent, moderate or administer. It always happens. I would venture to guess that some people need to prop up their ego by believing that they are smart enough to pick the best forum of the bunch.

Also, within the conspiracy industry, a lot of the people that claim that they are researchers out of passion and love are actually doing it for financial gain. They know that "rival" websites and forums are potentially lowering their own profits so it makes perfect sense to demonise to competition.

You then have the waking-sleep sheep. The ones who think they are awake because they've said it enough times. They'll regurgitate any information that their conspiracy "contacts" (other forum posters) post and claim it as fact. If enough people on a website slag off another website, the waking-sleep sheep will repeat it and claim it as fact.

In all truth, all conspiracy forums are equally crap. And there's only 1 reason - forums consist of people. Every forum has a name and or some lame slogan but in reality, they're no different to any other forum. People post threads, people reply to threads, people troll threads, flame wars erupt and then lots of members leave crying about how it was better in the old days. People cannot read emotions through text alone and they always read text from their own perspective. This happens on every forum, ats, glp, pa, pc, davidicke etc.

If you want good information that is relevant to your life and history, go away from the computer and do something random, anything. I guarentee you'll learn more in that day than you will sitting on forum.

[steve_a]

Hi aroundthetable,

There is absolutely nothing wrong with ATS. I think they are stricter when it comes to posting 'incredible' information and they will go to task on what they call 'fake'
whistlebowers.

As to Bill Ryan's dislike of said forum, who can answer that question is Bill Ryan. I'm sure he'll give you his reasons.

Best regards,

Steve

Posted by aroundthetable (here)
Bill doesn't seem to rate ATS very highly and i am wondering why and if this view is shared by Avalon members. Personally i find it at least as good a source of news as Avalon is, and quite frankly i find it to be more incisive in many areas, including some very good research. I also find the facts to drama ratio considerably higher than here. Perhaps that is because ATS has a clear intention i.e. news, whereas Avalon often flounders when it comes to a clear purpose. That is not necessarily a bad thing, maybe Avalon focuses more on general discussion and therefore it is a different kind of fish. But the point remains...what is the problem with ATS?

[Gaia]

You wrote in a other thread :

The main thing i got from looking at the GLP website was how chaotic and rude it is generally. Project Avalon stands well in the approach of its members, hats off to you all

The answer is simple. Conspiracy websites are the wrongdoing in spreading news though from my viewpoint. Many people spend a lot of time here on Avalon they work hard to better themselves and build friendships. They become acquainted with like minded people, and put a lot of time and effort into their articles and members.

[aroundthetable]

Posted by kerbie (here)
It's the rules of the internet dude.

Rule number 437 - Thou must hate all similar forums to the one you frequent, moderate or administer. It always happens. I would venture to guess that some people need to prop up their ego by believing that they are smart enough to pick the best forum of the bunch.

Also, within the conspiracy industry, a lot of the people that claim that they are researchers out of passion and love are actually doing it for financial gain. They know that "rival" websites and forums are potentially lowering their own profits so it makes perfect sense to demonise to competition.

You then have the waking-sleep sheep. The ones who think they are awake because they've said it enough times. They'll regurgitate any information that their conspiracy "contacts" (other forum posters) post and claim it as fact. If enough people on a website slag off another website, the waking-sleep sheep will repeat it and claim it as fact.

In all truth, all conspiracy forums are equally crap. And there's only 1 reason - forums consist of people. Every forum has a name and or some lame slogan but in reality, they're no different to any other forum. People post threads, people reply to threads, people troll threads, flame wars erupt and then lots of members leave crying about how it was better in the old days. People cannot read emotions through text alone and they always read text from their own perspective. This happens on every forum, ats, glp, pa, pc, davidicke etc.

If you want good information that is relevant to your life and history, go away from the computer and do something random, anything. I guarentee you'll learn more in that day than you will sitting on forum.

Just when i'm trying to collect my thoughts to response, you already did it for me....cheers A fine analysis in my opinion.

[aroundthetable]

Posted by steve_a (here)
Hi aroundthetable,

There is absolutely nothing wrong with ATS. I think they are stricter when it comes to posting 'incredible' information and they will go to task on what they call 'fake'
whistlebowers.

As to Bill Ryan's dislike of said forum, who can answer that question is Bill Ryan. I'm sure he'll give you his reasons.

Best regards,

Steve

Posted by aroundthetable (here)
Bill doesn't seem to rate ATS very highly and i am wondering why and if this view is shared by Avalon members. Personally i find it at least as good a source of news as Avalon is, and quite frankly i find it to be more incisive in many areas, including some very good research. I also find the facts to drama ratio considerably higher than here. Perhaps that is because ATS has a clear intention i.e. news, whereas Avalon often flounders when it comes to a clear purpose. That is not necessarily a bad thing, maybe Avalon focuses more on general discussion and therefore it is a different kind of fish. But the point remains...what is the problem with ATS?

Thanks Steve, i just don't see the benefit in slagging them off, especially when members here are allegedly more thoughtful and discursive. As to what Bill thinks, well my question was not directed to him but the members. I am definately not out to create more headaches, quite the opposite, i think reducing conflict is always the best policy.

[aroundthetable]

Posted by Gaia (here)
You wrote in a other thread :

The main thing i got from looking at the GLP website was how chaotic and rude it is generally. Project Avalon stands well in the approach of its members, hats off to you all

The answer is simple. Conspiracy websites are the wrongdoing in spreading news though from my viewpoint. Many people spend a lot of time here on Avalon they work hard to better themselves and build friendships. They become acquainted with like minded people, and put a lot of time and effort into their articles and members.

Wow i believe you qouted my own words! Amazing how you found that, and of course i still mean it.

[Icecold]

Steve_A

There is absolutely nothing wrong with ATS. I think they are stricter when it comes to posting 'incredible' information and they will go to task on what they call 'fake'
whistlebowers.

A healthy and refreshing approach. Nothing wrong with a little healthy scepticism eh Steve?

[ulli]

whether one finds truth in forums or reading tea leaves...

it's just a question of preference...

a matter of degree of social interaction...

[Belle]

IMHO, ATS is just slightly better than GLP. But as I posted on another thread...can you say Rand? They put out scenarios of all kinds, usually under some kind of "insider info", and then gauge the response. If someone is smart enough to start putting pieces together, along come the shills to derail the thread. It's about predicting response and behavior to certain scenarios.

[aroundthetable]

But saying some threads say some things that some people don't like isn't really any different to Avalon, thats just normal interaction as you of course already know. I just don't see any need to direct any bad vibes that way. Even in the last hour i've seen two threads clearly derived from ATS posts. and why not if we/you/i, think its worth bringing to the attention of members of this forum?

[The One]

What's wrong with ATS

Could never get a descent pair of wheels

http://www.atseuromaster.co.uk/

[aroundthetable]

Posted by The One (here)
What's wrong with ATS

Could never get a descent pair of wheels

http://www.atseuromaster.co.uk/

Lol.....ok!

[Gaia]

Posted by The One (here)
What's wrong with ATS

Could never get a descent pair of wheels

http://www.atseuromaster.co.uk/

I've got a pair of wheels for ATS

[CyRus]

Posted by kerbie (here)
It's the rules of the internet dude.

Rule number 437 - Thou must hate all similar forums to the one you frequent, moderate or administer. It always happens. I would venture to guess that some people need to prop up their ego by believing that they are smart enough to pick the best forum of the bunch.

Also, within the conspiracy industry, a lot of the people that claim that they are researchers out of passion and love are actually doing it for financial gain. They know that "rival" websites and forums are potentially lowering their own profits so it makes perfect sense to demonise to competition.

You then have the waking-sleep sheep. The ones who think they are awake because they've said it enough times. They'll regurgitate any information that their conspiracy "contacts" (other forum posters) post and claim it as fact. If enough people on a website slag off another website, the waking-sleep sheep will repeat it and claim it as fact.

In all truth, all conspiracy forums are equally crap. And there's only 1 reason - forums consist of people. Every forum has a name and or some lame slogan but in reality, they're no different to any other forum. People post threads, people reply to threads, people troll threads, flame wars erupt and then lots of members leave crying about how it was better in the old days. People cannot read emotions through text alone and they always read text from their own perspective. This happens on every forum, ats, glp, pa, pc, davidicke etc.

If you want good information that is relevant to your life and history, go away from the computer and do something random, anything. I guarentee you'll learn more in that day than you will sitting on forum.

Brilliant! =) Perfectly summed up, and my experiences with forums reflect what you are saying. Avalon is a far better forum than most out there, but it has it's fair share of immature BS as well.

At least Bill is trying his hardest to direct the focus to what matters..

[Bill Ryan]

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1) I'm still banned at ATS as a 'hoaxer'.

2) The ATS attorney, Wayne Jaeschke, illegally impersonated a whistleblower in early 2007, and was exposed by myself and others.

3) The wife of ATS co-founder 'Springer' (Mark Allin) - username 'Val Hall' - works for Halliburton. (Not in itself a crime. But it says something about something.)

4) From the second interview Kerry and I did with John Lear:

http://projectcamelot.org/lang/en/jo...ript_1_en.html

Bill: Let me share this e-mail with you, John. This is from somebody called Gary Dix, who used to work very closely with Simon, Mark and Bill. In the early days of ATS and, after a major disagreement, he quit. He’s based in New Zealand. And he sent me a long e-mail.

John: And the date?

Bill: A couple of years ago.

John: Yeah.

Bill: And I’ll just read one of the pertinent paragraphs:

“As they become more negative over a topic, they begin to drive the threads using sockpuppets, fake member names, as they don’t want to be seen to be guiding directions in the threads as mods and admin. This is the STYLE of mods and admin in the future - using fake accounts to allow them to freely post their ideas.”

We got this on record from a guy on the inside, okay? Now, of course, they’ll deny it. But if you’ve got someone whose user name is 'Skeptic Overlord', what does that tell us?

[aroundthetable]

Well that explains your dislike! Fortunately for the rest of us its still often a decent source of info.

PS Couldnt help but smile at being banned as a hoaxer lol. Bad boy!!

[bodixa]

Main difference, Avalon isn't a conspiracy forum it's a 'truth seeker' research forum. ATS makes my brain hurt.

Actually, too much conspiracy theory overkill reminds me of church and makes me want to commit verbal nuggeticide, like Uncle Sidious.

Actually, I was wondering what happened to all the resources on the old Avalon web site before Camelot and Avalon became 2 distinct whistleblower sites. Avalon used to be an 'off grid' resource and it's just be default that the forum was hosted here. I think. There was some good stuff on the site - where dit go?