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    This is a link to an article that has the names of the CIA's contractors involved in the chemtrailing in the US. The story got started by a drunk pilot that was running his mouth in an effort to impress the ladys. If this info is correct and It seems to be, this could finally pull the lid of this deal. I dont know anything about this site but this story could lead to alot of noise on the subject in the comming weeks I'd say. I dont know about ya'll but I've had about all I can stand with them spaying us everyday. Ive watched them in every country Ive been in as well as watched them fly across international borders spraying the whole way. Even in the far reach's of Siberia, although not as often as the US.Check this out, http://www.2012theawakening.com/?p=4032
    There really should be another button alongside that THANKS button, it should read ABSOLUTE TWODDLE.

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    Quote Posted by Koyaanisqatsi (here)
    Pilots don't know ****. They are told they are "dumping fuel" usually. Power structures are created on a need to know basis. Most of the scientists involved with the production of the atom bomb didn't know what their work would really be used for(manhattan proj)
    No disrespect intended Koyaanisqatsi, but whether pilots know what they are dumping or not, they damn sure ought to be able to tell when the cabin of their plane is filled with cylinders and pipes and they see trails coming out the back of their plane. And wouldn't you think a pilot might ask why he was told to "dump fuel" over the country side? I'm pretty sure fuel isn't good for us either. I know I would be asking questions. And one last point, it's a very different situation when you are just a cog in the wheel of a major project--like the Manhattan Project (and I'm not suggesting that ignorance absolves one from all responsibility of their part in such a project)--versus the person who is directly responsible for doing something that, at the very least, ought to give them pause to consider just what it is they are actually doing—just my observations based on your statements.

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    FRED259 Please go to this link:
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...r-China./page2
    There are some useful links in educating yourself about Chemtrails. The research into chemtrails has been going on for at least 10 years. These facts are researched, documented, filmed, documentaries devoted to this subject. To look at the information and keep saying "crop dusting" is absurd.

    I see every day chemtrails sprayed all over our town. Next 3 days people are sick. People are watching this on a world-wide basis. People are collecting samples and having them examined. These facts are documented.

    It seems there are some doubters and skeptics on this forum regarding chemtrails. I suppose that is there job. TO deny that chemtrails exist.
    Just because I am not a pilot does not mean I do not understand chemtrails and their destructive nature. If you wish to continue to be in denial then so be it. THere is too much info out there to remain in denial.

    I wonder why you just do not start your own thread about what you are presenting rather than trying to shooting down people who are presenting their information. Saying people are stupid, that they are speaking rubbish is name calling and not giving evidence that they do not exist.

    Start your own thread, presenting your facts, your research, your knowledge, instead of shooting down people who are presenting their information. That is what I call a de-bunker. Someone who shoots down the messenger without presenting any evidence about what they are saying. Maybe i should say a FLATWORLDER. Still trying to say that the world is flat when all the evidence is there to say it is round.

    Rather than tring to stop the flow of infomation by people who are interested in this subject, trying to argue, just start your own thread where all the people who disagree can disagree together happily and the people who want to discuss this subject rather than argue can do so.

    Maybe you should view this.

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    Quote Posted by Koyaanisqatsi (here)
    Pilots don't know ****. They are told they are "dumping fuel" usually. Power structures are created on a need to know basis. Most of the scientists involved with the production of the atom bomb didn't know what their work would really be used for(manhattan proj)
    Dumping fuel is perfectly normal. It needs to be understood that the maximum takeoff weight differs from the maximum landing weight. If for some reason the aircraft has to return, or land before its intended destination fuel will need to be dumped to get below or under the maximum authorized landing weight.

    The fuel is jettisoned into the atmosphere where is vaporises.

    You say Koyaanisqati “They are told they are dumping fuel” I don’t understand what you mean. The only person who decides to dump fuel is the Captain. The first officer will calculate the amount of fuel to be dumped and the Captain will check his/her calculations. The FO will dump the fuel, and shout out his actions and the Captain will monitor the progress. Fuel on the ground is expensive; fuel in the air is priceless. Blowing all your fuel to atmosphere would not be a good thing to do!
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    This aircraft is dumping fuel. Normally the fuel dump ports are at the wing tips, however this particular aircraft has been modified and the fuel dump ports moved inward towards the fuselage because on this aircraft they are using the wing tips for another purpose.

    All perfectly normal.

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    Quote Posted by fathertedsmate (here)
    last October i had a Mineral analysis done via a saliva test, i was looking for answers to ptsd/combatt stress, (i suspected mercury poisoning, so after 10 yrs i went solo in my quest for answers) the results showed that i was extreemly high in Mercury,Nickel,Palladium,Platinum.Silver,Tin,also present was Beryllium,Cadmium,Lead and Thallium, those metals i can put down to what i suspected that the 6 gold plates put in my mouth 10 months prior to leaving army after 22 yrs,
    they were put in amongst 5 amalgam fillings, now the interesting part on the test which was conducted in Germany, as the Govnt has closed all facilities down in the UK, ALUMINIUM was present Acceptable range<50, test ,< 97.739mcg/l Barium Acceptable level < 2, test < 205.52mcg/l this was a saliva test only what was present in my mouth could be picked up, where is the Aluminium and barium coming from, also present was TANTALIUM where was that coming from they dont have a minimal range as its new and is only found in mobile phones,computers,flat screen tv,s, we are breathing it in and as the combinations of heavy metals increase, eventualy you body becomes permanantly acidic,then will become encased in a calcium jacket,candida runs riot,you turn into a wreck and are given the Tag of the day depending on what year it is,gulf war syndrom,PTSD,combat stress,Bi polar in fact evert illness is caused this way, now that most of the metals ,chemicals and toxins are out, is it a coincidence that Athritis,Athsma,Tinnitus,memory loss,uncontrollable reactions,stress,anxiety,mood,swings.constant liquid in nose/throat,lower back pain and many more have all been reversed,
    I also have elevated levels of arsenic and other heavy metals. I did 6 years in the RAAC and I was told it was probably from the propellant in all the rounds that I fired.
    Some of the things you mention that doesn't apply to obviously.
    Did you get the ''we have finished with you, so now you are useless to us, we don't wanna know'' treatment too?

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    Quote Posted by loveandgratitude (here)
    FRED259 Please go to this link:
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...r-China./page2
    There are some useful links in educating yourself about Chemtrails. The research into chemtrails has been going on for at least 10 years. These facts are researched, documented, filmed, documentaries devoted to this subject. To look at the information and keep saying "crop dusting" is absurd.

    I see every day chemtrails sprayed all over our town. Next 3 days people are sick. People are watching this on a world-wide basis. People are collecting samples and having them examined. These facts are documented.

    It seems there are some doubters and skeptics on this forum regarding chemtrails. I suppose that is there job. TO deny that chemtrails exist.
    Just because I am not a pilot does not mean I do not understand chemtrails and their destructive nature. If you wish to continue to be in denial then so be it. THere is too much info out there to remain in denial.

    I wonder why you just do not start your own thread about what you are presenting rather than trying to shooting down people who are presenting their information. Saying people are stupid, that they are speaking rubbish is name calling and not giving evidence that they do not exist.

    Start your own thread, presenting your facts, your research, your knowledge, instead of shooting down people who are presenting their information. That is what I call a de-bunker. Someone who shoots down the messenger without presenting any evidence about what they are saying. Maybe i should say a FLATWORLDER. Still trying to say that the world is flat when all the evidence is there to say it is round.

    Rather than tring to stop the flow of infomation by people who are interested in this subject, trying to argue, just start your own thread where all the people who disagree can disagree together happily and the people who want to discuss this subject rather than argue can do so.

    Maybe you should view this.

    The problem is you don’t know what you are talking about. What you are doing is spreading fear and uncertainty amongst the public, who unfortunately are taken in by this misinformation.

    You do not see Chemtrails everyday over your town. What you see are contrails, particularly so if you live in Australia where the weather in general is better.

    You talk about doubters and skeptics. No this is not the case, it’s not a matter of doubt or skepticism rather fact. It’s not happening; it can’t happen commercial aircraft have no means of delivering chemicals or whatever you want to call them.

    I didn’t at any point say you were stupid. I did however point out that Ice Cold was perhaps talking sense and asked you to qualify the grossly irresponsible video involving a turboprop atmospheric research aircraft that you seem to think is used for chemtrailing whatever that is.

    I have seen the full length version of the video you enclose; it’s a good video and sensible research. It however relates to geo-engineering which is a completely different subject altogether. What you are saying in your earlier post is that commercial aircraft are chemtrailing, which is most definitely not happening. Further you point to trails in the sky as Chemtrails when in fact they are contrails.

    No evidence exits of aircraft chemtrailing.Don’t scare the unsuspecting public.
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    Those who wish to keep their eyes/ears/minds closed will go on doing that no matter what research you present to them. When they are ready to listen, they will find out the truth.

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    Where is the evidence selinam. Where is the research? If a proper credible document can be produced from any government or research establishment, then obviously it must be evaluated. At the moment none of this exists.
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    Quote Posted by Koyaanisqatsi (here)
    Just for the record, i live less than an hour away from evergreen and my best friend works there. The security is NOT as tight as the article implies. Yes, they ARE doing weather mod, no doubt about it. People should realize that fukushima, chemtrails, and niburu are connected. Its bigger and "scarier" than most can concieve of. Go live your life though, enjoy today and be happy and free from fear Always ask yourself, "so what?"
    Fantastic advice, actually... but would you care to elaborate on connecting the dots between chemtrails, niburu, and Fukushima?

    We shouldn't fear the truth, no matter how "big" and "scary" it is.

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    Fred259 thank you for your posts.

    I only heard about chemtrails for the first time about 18months ago and it is one thing I have always struggled to believe.
    It is great to get a common sense clear explanation of some of these videos from a pilot.

    As you say there is too much misinformation around.

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    Quote Posted by Fred259 (here)
    [[...]Chemtrails when in fact they are contrails. [...]
    Hey Fred,
    you seem to know more.
    I personally would be very grateful for an expert's explanation on this topic - just to get some peace of mind regarding this.

    Whenever i see these trails [daily], i can't say what they are.

    The one unsettling thing i notice is that most of them stay (and get bigger/ wider/ form a closed unnatural cloud formation, or a haze) in the sky nowadays, instead of dissolving after a couple of seconds like it used to be... quite a long time ago - and i do remember, as i've been a "sky watcher" from early childhood.

    I went through a lot of slides i have been taking of the sky [from mid 70s to early 90s] - and i didn't catch a single of these unnatural clouds on all of these photos. What has happened?

    What is the reason for this? If nothing's changed with the plane fuels, the atmosphere must have changed a lot since then. Or what has changed?

    Under what conditions does a normal contrail linger & and expand for hours?
    [We must have the "ideal" conditions where i am... whatever the weather is like]
    Is height a factor?

    Does anyone have a satisfying answer?
    And why do we need "striped" skies now, when we didn't in the 60s/70s/80s/and on?

    Thanks very much in advance!

    PS: Imagine a classic 50s movie with a sky full of trails - or even sth like "Gladiator"... they must be "photoshopping" them out these days...

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    Koyaanisqatsi, can I ask you exactly what you mean in your post on page 1, as quoted below?

    "People should realize that fukushima, chemtrails, and niburu are connected. Its bigger and "scarier" than most can concieve of."

    How can these three be connected??

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    Where is the evidence selinam. Where is the research? If a proper credible document can be produced from any government or research establishment, then obviously it must be evaluated. At the moment none of this exists.
    You don't go to the fox guarding the hen house to ask if the chickens are safe. If the only information you value is produced by the government or their academic shills whose lively hood depends on government grants then there is little that will satisfy you in the way of evidence. Having said that, I don't believe all evidence from alternative sources is necessarily valid either.

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    Quote Posted by Fred259 (here)
    Where is the evidence selinam. Where is the research? If a proper credible document can be produced from any government or research establishment, then obviously it must be evaluated. At the moment none of this exists.
    Because "Governments" and "Research Establishments" never receive campaign dollars / grant money (respectively) from large corporations, and are known for their honesty and dedication to the well being of the public above all private or personal interests?

    Edit:

    No offense meant here, but this audience is not likely to agree that these are the best sources of quality information.

    I work in the field of environmental engineering and I thought the full length video posted earlier was great research and might as well have been a smoking gun - I agree that commercial (passenger) aircraft probably aren't the culprits here. But there is something going on - look at the numbers they are getting in those soil samples - 30-60x what is considered natural, in a closed environment - where else is all that aluminum coming from if not the sky?

    The conclusion that something is afoot is what I consider to be common sense given the evidence I have seen - and I was a skeptic for a long time on this particular issue.
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    Quote Posted by Fred259 (here)
    Where is the evidence selinam. Where is the research? If a proper credible document can be produced from any government or research establishment, then obviously it must be evaluated. At the moment none of this exists.
    You don't go to the fox guarding the hen house to ask if the chickens are safe. If the only information you value is produced by the government or their academic shills whose lively hood depends on government grants then there is little that will satisfy you in the way of evidence. Having said that, I don't believe all evidence from alternative sources is necessarily valid either.
    Frankly I would rather see a scientific report of this activity from a scientist or an academic rather than from a bunch of disinformation artists.

    So where is the evidence? What you are looking at are contrails, and now a whole industry of disinformation has evolved that frightens the public into something that doesn’t even exist.

    I keep asking where is the evidence. It doesn’t exist, its all in people’s minds!

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    Quote Posted by Fred259 (here)
    Frankly I would rather see a scientific report of this activity from a scientist or an academic rather than from a bunch of disinformation artists.
    Who wouldn't?

    Quote Posted by Fred259 (here)
    So where is the evidence? What you are looking at are contrails, and now a whole industry of disinformation has evolved that frightens the public into something that doesn’t even exist.
    [...] It doesn’t exist, its all in people’s minds!
    What about this then?
    Quote Posted by JoshERTW
    [...]look at the numbers they are getting in those soil samples - 30-60x what is considered natural, in a closed environment - where else is all that aluminum coming from if not the sky?
    I'd really appreciate some answer(s) to my questions above, if you have them...

    Thanks!

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    Where is the evidence selinam. Where is the research? If a proper credible document can be produced from any government or research establishment, then obviously it must be evaluated. At the moment none of this exists.
    You don't go to the fox guarding the hen house to ask if the chickens are safe. If the only information you value is produced by the government or their academic shills whose lively hood depends on government grants then there is little that will satisfy you in the way of evidence. Having said that, I don't believe all evidence from alternative sources is necessarily valid either.
    Frankly I would rather see a scientific report of this activity from a scientist or an academic rather than from a bunch of disinformation artists.

    So where is the evidence? What you are looking at are contrails, and now a whole industry of disinformation has evolved that frightens the public into something that doesn’t even exist.

    I keep asking where is the evidence. It doesn’t exist, its all in people’s minds!
    Again, no amount of evidence will satisfy you if, by your own words, it doesn't come from a scientist or academic. There is plenty of evidence in books, articles, videos and on the net some of which were written by scientists and academics, but one must have an open mind and actually do the research for themselves. Judging from what you've written so far, I suspect you have neither.

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    Contrails

    The condensation trail emitted by jet aircraft exhaust are called contrails. Contrails form when hot humid air from jet exhaust mixes with environmental air of low vapor pressure and low temperature. The mixing is a result of turbulence generated by the engine exhaust. Cloud formation by a mixing process is similar to the cloud you see when you exhale and "see your breath". The figure below represents how saturation vapor pressure varies as a function of temperature. The blue line is the saturation vapor pressure for ice as a function of temperature (in degrees Kelvin). Air parcels in the region labeled saturated will form a cloud. Imagine two parcels of air, A and B, as located on the diagram. Both parcels are unsaturated. If B represents the engine exhaust, then as it mixes with the environment (parcel A) its temperature and corresponding vapor pressure will follow the dotted line. Where this dotted line intersects the blue line is where the parcel becomes saturated, and a cloud will form.



    If you are attentive to contrail formation and duration, you will notice that they can rapidly dissipate or spread horizontally into an extensive thin cirrus layer. How long a contrail remains intact depends on the humidity structure and winds of the upper troposphere. If the atmosphere is near saturation the contrail may exist for some time. On the other hand, if the atmosphere is dry then as the contrail mixes with the environment it dissipates. Contrails are a concern in climate studies as increased jet aircraft traffic may result in an increase in cloud cover. It has been estimated that in certain heavy air-traffic corridors, cloud cover has increased by as much as 20%. An increase in cloud amount changes the region's radiation balance. For example, solar energy reaching the surface may be reduced, resulting in surface cooling. Contrail clouds also reduce the terrestrial energy losses of the planet, resulting in a warming. Jet exhaust also plays a role in modifying the chemistry of the upper troposphere and lower stratosphere. NASA and the DOE are sponsoring a research program to study the impact contrails have on atmospheric chemistry, weather and climate.

    In the series of satellite images below you can investigate the duration of contrails. The satellite images are from the GOES-8 visible channel. Each image is separated in time by approximately 15 minutes. The GOES-8 image has a spatial resolution of approximately 1 km. The satellite image is a view of upper midwest including southern Wisconsin and northern Illinois. Contrails were observed from the ground during this period. At this wavelength, the GOES-8 imager is measuring the amount of radiant energy reflected by the surface and the clouds. The whiter a given portion of the image, the larger the amount of reflected visible light. White portions of the image represent thick clouds and dark regions are water or heavily vegetated regions. Contrails show up on the image as white streaks, similar to how they appear from a surface view.



    When you view this image of 1846 UTC, notice the individual contrails labeled A and B.



    In this image 30 minutes later (1902 UTC), both these contrails exist, as well as others.



    By 1932 UTC, these contrails still exist. Also notice how the contrail labeled C is spreading. Notice also that these clouds are generating shadows. Since we know the position of the sun, we can use these shadows, to calculate the height of the clouds that cast them. To view a 3 1/2 hour time sequence of the contrails generated on this day http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/wxwise/class/CONTRL.mpg


    Contrail Formation Forecast

    The presence of a circle at a particular point simply tells you if the conditions are favorable for contrail formation at the altitude indicated by the color of the circle. The size of the circle only varies so different altitudes can be shown at the same point, but the smaller the circle, the higher the altitude.

    The Mb scale on the left is the measure of atmospheric pressure in millibars. This can roughly be translated to altitude, as pressure decreases fairly uniformly with altitude. Planes actually use the air pressure to measure their altitude using an altimeter, but you have to set it to the local sea level pressure in order to get an accurate result for landing and take-off. To avoid confusion, planes flying above 18,000 feet all set their altimeters to the same reference, 29.92 inchs of mercury, or 1013.25mb (for sea level).

    The scale starts at 400mb, which is around 23,500 feet, and goes to 125mb, or about 48,500 feet.

    The page describes how this works, and I repeat it here in full:

    The RUC model data are representations of the complete 3-dimensional structure of wind, temperature, and humidity over the USA at a resolution of 25 mb and 40 km. The horizontal resolution has been degraded to 1° latitude x 1° longitude to facilitate the computations. Because they are based on a sparse number of actual in situ (balloon sonde) data taken every 12 hours and satellite measurements, the RUC data are not a perfect representation of the various meteorological parameters, especially water vapor. The model humidity at upper levels of the atmosphere is often too low, reflecting the current biases known to exist in our measurement system. Persistent contrails require a relative humidity with respect to ice (RHI) that exceeds 100%. We know that contrails are sometimes observed in areas where estimates of the RHI are less than 100%. The existence of contrails in those locations highlights the “dry-bias” in the humidity fields.

    Because the input data do not perfectly characterize the meteorological conditions, the diagnoses of persistent contrail conditions are only estimates and will not detect all of the areas where persistent contrails will form and may also add areas of formation that do not exist. All estimates of persistent contrail formation conditions are based on a modified Appleman curve using three different engine propulsion efficiencies. To give some idea of where contrails may form, but are not diagnosed, we have included information about RHI for values above 70% for single-level plots.

    Two forms of results are presented.

    Favorable contrail conditions, for a range of pressure levels between 125 and 400 mb, are represented as concentric circles – color coded with reducing diameter for each level. These results can be displayed for engine efficiencies of 0.2, 0.3, and 0.4.
    Favorable contrail conditions at each level, represented by ‘X’, along with relative humidity w.r.t ice (RHI). These results are only available for engine efficiencies of 0.3.



    This page provides access to both real time and archived contrail formation forecasts from the Rapid Update Cycle (RUC) model data.

    http://www-angler.larc.nasa.gov/cgi-...3&cmd=forecast




    This enhanced infrared image from NASA's Terra satellite shows a widespread outbreak of contrails over the southeastern United States during the morning of January 29, 2004. Satellite data are critical for studying the effects of contrails. The crisscrossing white lines are contrails that form from planes flying in different directions at different altitudes. Each contrail spreads and moves with the wind. Contrails often form over large areas during winter and spring. CREDIT: NASA

    Everything you wanted to know about CONTRAILS, but were afraid to look........

    http://contrailscience.com/

    Southeast Flight Animation


    Contrail Simulations
    http://contrailscience.com/contrail-...ions/#more-878
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    Where is the evidence selinam. Where is the research? If a proper credible document can be produced from any government or research establishment, then obviously it must be evaluated. At the moment none of this exists.
    You don't go to the fox guarding the hen house to ask if the chickens are safe. If the only information you value is produced by the government or their academic shills whose lively hood depends on government grants then there is little that will satisfy you in the way of evidence. Having said that, I don't believe all evidence from alternative sources is necessarily valid either.
    Frankly I would rather see a scientific report of this activity from a scientist or an academic rather than from a bunch of disinformation artists.

    So where is the evidence? What you are looking at are contrails, and now a whole industry of disinformation has evolved that frightens the public into something that doesn’t even exist.

    I keep asking where is the evidence. It doesn’t exist, its all in people’s minds!
    Again, no amount of evidence will satisfy you if, by your own words, it doesn't come from a scientist or academic. There is plenty of evidence in books, articles, videos and on the net some of which were written by scientists and academics, but one must have an open mind and actually do the research for themselves. Judging from what you've written so far, I suspect you have neither.
    OK then just produce any evidence. In post 17 the video is of an atmospheric research aircraft. Everything in the video is 100% correct. The voiceover is 100% disinformation and lies. The aircraft is used for atmospheric research probably by scientists at a university. What’s wrong is the video has been stolen and the voiceover is 100% lies referring to the aircraft as a Chemtrail aircraft, when in fact its an atmospheric research aircraft.

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    Quote I've seen this "chemtrail weather modification conspiracy theory" before.
    On the "control" of the "release" of the weather modification particles, anybody on this site who has an even halfway knowledge of the atmosphere will have seen and will know that jet contrails will appear and dissapear according to very small changes in temperatures and the water vapour levels in the upper atmosphere which controls whether the moisture in the jet exhaust condenses out and we see a contrail.

    Nothing at all conspiratorial about that,

    Just a natural phenomena that is also integral to high cloud formation.

    As for a small level of particles being injected into the atmosphere to alter the weather, the rainmakers around the globe like in the USA, Australia, China and others have been trying to do this for decades with very little to show for their attempts except in a few isolated cases.

    To really change the weather you need something decent in the way of tonnages of weather modifying substances such as this sat view of Saharan dust being blown across the Atlantic
    And if you want some more info on how many hundreds of millions tonnes of dust are in that cloud and other sat pics just google "saharan dust over the atlantic".
    And there are papers there on how that Saharan dust does alter the Atlantic weather and obviously the weather and weather phenomena such as hurricanes in all the countries around the Atlantic littoral.

    Now that IS weather modification on a grand scale and a very old process indeed!

    Or google the "South east Asian Brown cloud" which definitely changes the weather in that region and perhaps affects weather around the globe while it is existent.
    Again the tonnages of pollutants is immense compared to claimed injection of a few tonnes of chemicals from the conspiratorial chem- trails which are supposed to be so potent in controlling weather systems.

    But there is one other factor!
    The world's weather systems are chaotic in nature hence the inability to predict weather accurately more than about 5 to 7 days ahead. They are chaotic but also intimately linked right across the globe. What happens in one place affects what happens everywhere else in some way. So if one nation starts to modify it's weather for it's own benefit or another nation's weather to gain a military or economic advantage, this will be reflected by some minor and some very major changes in complex interlocking weather systems and patterns in many locations around the world.
    If a number of nations could modify and start to modify the weather to try and achieve a national economic or military advantage for themselves then that would lead to a total collapse of the world's weather circulation systems and a consequent collapse in food supplies as crops failed, starvation and a collapse of our civilisation.

    If you shift a low pressure, then something has to fill the hole and in doing so the long established, natural weather system circulation pattern is upset and destroyed.

    Think about it!

    If a nation starts to modify the weather that will immediately lead to a different weather pattern in surrounding countries with some very serious economic consequences for that country which when they twigg will almost certainly lead to the possibility of war.

    If some countries are so advanced in weather modification and the believers in the chem trail theory have been on this for thirty or so years, then some very big advances should have been made in that time.

    So how is it that the USA, China, India, Russia and Europe are still having droughts, floods, tornados, freezing temperatures, cyclones, Katrina hurricanes and etc!

    Surely their chem trail technology would have advanced enough in thirty years to at least minimise the effects of these natural phenomena.

    Why didn't the USA use this technology on Iraq or Afghanistan to create drought or floods and to control the timing of these events.

    There would be no need for any wars in this case as a nation could be brought to it's knees in a year or so just by a few high altitude flights across it while distributing these oh so potent chem trail weather modification .materials to destroy crops and flood out and burn out or freeze out through excessive heat or cold over entire regions.

    There are some really crazy conspiritatorial theories out there and some really gullible people who will believe almost any conspiracy theory.
    This is one such conspiratorial theory!


    Unfortunately we are seeing this very same "Man playing God" psychology with some so called " scientists" who follow the AGW ideology promoting some truly hair raising schemes to reduce global warming such as spreading millions of tonnes of iron particles on the sea surface to promote algae growth to take up CO2.
    They seem to have no conception of the law of unknown consequences.
    And spreading millions of tonnes of iron particles is one of the more achievable schemes compared to a lot of the other proposed hypothetical, out of this world, truly hare brained global warming mitigation schemes

    And while we are on this pseudo-science based phenomena that shamans and conmen have used to con the ordinary science trusting but science illiterate individuals out of a good deal of their wealth, here is another example;
    We had one of these conmen in our area a few years ago spruiking in on how he could use "directed electromagnetic waves" to create" resonances" which by using "chaos theory effects from his resonance technology " he could guide and bring up the massive "rain bearing oceanic systems" from the southern ocean to our drought affected areas.
    He had an impressive truck with a large antennae dish on top and some quite secret equipment inside which naturally nobody was allowed to examine
    He collected some thousands of dollars from a few of the more gullible and desperate locals around here before I successfully sank him through our local media with a similar to the above but more detailed explanation of chaos theory which struck at the heart of and discredited his claims.
    http://forum.weatherzone.com.au/ubbt...tio#Post104334


    A long and hilarious thread on GLP entitled....."Chemtrails are "BS"

    http://204.74.214.194/forum1/message203796/pg1
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