Chemtrail pilot talks

[Siberia9]

Fred259, I dont know if your just someone who just doesnt want to see the truth or what but if you use this CIA/NSA keyword software they call GOOGLE you find the proof you need. Its endless, its everywhere if you look. Here is an old one from your side of the pond, http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...medicalscience BTW I was taught about the chemtrailing as a child(I was born IN 1970) you see my family was involved with those government CIA/Spec ops Army/ Illuminati bags a crap. I remember being told about the phones the "spooks" used that had no wires, way back in the 70's. That sounded crazy to me and imposible, but guess what... cell phones are real. Come to think of it, last summer in Suffolk, Va I saw two planes flying 300' apart both spraying the same line of chemtrail mixing in the air. You are a pilot so Im sure you know there is only one group that is allowed to fly that close right? Ive watched them turn the spay on and off as they fly the grid over the city. Ive watched them recently spend all day flying into one spot and turn on the spray as they build one big cloud on a calm day here in North Carolina as they practice their whether weapons. Im not attacking you on a personal level, Im just making the point that you are clearly just refusing to acknowledge what is all around you, that is your choice of course, but I will not pretend with you, I'm sorry.

[Fred259]

[QUOTE=meeradas;192523]

Posted by Fred259 (here)
[[...]Chemtrails when in fact they are contrails. [...]

Hey Fred,
you seem to know more.
I personally would be very grateful for an expert's explanation on this topic - just to get some peace of mind regarding this.

Whenever i see these trails [daily], i can't say what they are.

The one unsettling thing i notice is that most of them stay (and get bigger/ wider/ form a closed unnatural cloud formation, or a haze) in the sky nowadays, instead of dissolving after a couple of seconds like it used to be... quite a long time ago - and i do remember, as i've been a "sky watcher" from early childhood.

I went through a lot of slides i have been taking of the sky [from mid 70s to early 90s] - and i didn't catch a single of these unnatural clouds on all of these photos. What has happened?

It all relates to the condition of the atmosphere. Contrails are occurring all the time 24/7 365 days per annum. However the long white jet trails will occur under certain atmospheric conditions which in general terms relate to temperature and relative humidity.

What is the reason for this? If nothing's changed with the plane fuels, the atmosphere must have changed a lot since then. Or what has changed?

Aviation fuel and the atmosphere have not changed. What has changed is the explosion of air travel with the introduction of low fare travel, the volume of aircraft operating in the sky and above all changes in navigation. In the past aircraft were separated by separate airways, however due to advances in navigation they are now grouped together and operate under a different system. Here is an example.

http://www.pilotosdeiberia.com/main/...pepe&Itemid=92

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=g_a8bZGxaCc

In this video they talk about reduced seperation and offset positioning. I join a radio talk show tonight as it happens with a lady in Bangor Maine. She continually refers to Chemtrails because she lives in Bangor. Bangor or sometimes Gander is the entry / exit point of the north Atlantic slop as is Scotland. At least 2,000 aircraft cross the pond each day so something like 6,000 engines are passing over her city each day. With the right atmospheric conditions massive contrails will form.

Under what conditions does a normal contrail linger & and expand for hours?
[We must have the "ideal" conditions where i am... whatever the weather is like]
Is height a factor?

Sensible question. Normally above 25,000 feet and a temp-25C If the relative humidity is high contrails will form. If the RH is 100% clouds form. The exhaust out of the back of the engine is circa +650C but the outside air temperature could be -60C so the gasses turn to a vaporises state instantly, and then ice crystals in the shock cooling.

I’ve seen it quoted time and time again that contrails disappear after ten minutes. This is not true they can last for hours, as previously mentioned it all depends on the state of the atmosphere. Old WWII pictures of the US Air Force bombing over Germany by day show massive contrails. Nothing has really changed. The reason why the ten minutes is mentioned so often is that one disinformation site copies the other and hey presto you have a whole new junk science.

Does anyone have a satisfying answer?
And why do we need "striped" skies now, when we didn't in the 60s/70s/80s/and on?

Changes in navigation including RVSM (Reduced vertical separation minima) and Slop. If you watched the SLOP video it shows you in graphic form.

Aircraft are position 2 miles from each other and to the right of track, so when you look up in the sky and see contrails in stripes the aircraft are positioned like this…

AC1 AC2 AC3 Track AC4 AC5 AC6 AC7

Aircraft 1,2,3 are flying right of track and heading down the page or south.

Aircraft 4,5,6,7 are flying right of track and heading up the page or north.

This is what produces the stripe effect, but only when atmospheric conditions are suitable.

People say they are Chemtrailing today? What does this mean today and not yesterday? What about tomorrow? Is it Mon, Wed, and Fri and bank holidays? NO It’s like this everyday. What differs is the state of the atmosphere, which determines the contrail formation.

[HURRITT ENYETO]

To the people that are so sure of themselves when they declare 'chemtrails don't exist' could you please tell me what weather manipulation and cloud seeding is?

I think you will find they are called chemtrails.

Also, what are the huge canisters strapped under even some commercial jets for?

Hurritt

[heyokah]

Chemtrails?.....Contrails?......

[mondaze]

some serious disinfo going on here. I have watched the sky since the sixties and i know what contrails look like... and let me tell you the stuff they are pumping in the skies every day over my head is not a contrail. We never have blue skies any more, there is always an insidious oily grey scum in the sky. i dont need to be an optician to be able to believe my own eyes! The sun is never a focused spot in the sky but rather a diffused radiance. Say what you will so-called experts, i will continue to believe what i see!

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by Icecold (here)
... poisoning select groups United States citizens. With jet streams and the movement of air, large areas of the united states are being poisoned. Areas where elites would probably live, including senior Air Force/other military/elites and their families. Has anyone noticed groups of military personnel/or others of any kind going about wearing gas masks? You would think the people in the know would be taking precautions to protect their families from the dangerous biological weapons.

I have thought about that question with all kinds of biological agents that are unleashed on the populace (for those of us that believe this has been done.) My 'answer' (to my own question) is that anyone with the skills to design, manufacture, and distribute nefarious biological agents would have the capability of inoculating themselves and their family members against the biological agents.

Without whistleblower testimony or smoking guns (needles, airborne aerosol equipment, etc.) containing biological agents, it is conjecture. Chemtrails/'geoengineering' is not conjecture. It would not surprise me to find out that some of the payload is chemical (aluminum/barium), and that some of the payload is biological.

Dennis

[crosby]

Posted by Icecold (here)

Its purpose, he said, is to create a kind of film that blocks radar from penetrating the area for a certain amount of time before it dissipates.

Chemtrails were colloidal substances containing human blood derivatives, being dropped in an effort to sicken the population.

Which is it?

If they block radar, that would interfere with flight controllers tasks over major airports?????

Wouldn't many airport authorities be reporting the dangers on jammed radars?

it may be both..... i'm heading over to the aircrap.org site too see if i can pull any info. back
regards, corson

actually found this in the alex jones archives


https://youtube.com/watch?v=ShrwWWodBek

this vid. from the alex jones show sheds some light on this matter. this woman is a bonafide interviewee regarding the subject.

[K626]

It started off as a quick buck to counter global warming. ie sunlight and radiation reflected back into space. Then other side benefits were discovered (jamming of satellite imagery) and also now of course cloud capture and possible synergy with HAARP protocols. From what I know it isn't one clear package, many things are being tested. When certain factions started saying that they would 'own the weather' they meant it.

Just my thoughts in the debate. I don't have a dog in this fight.

Peace

K

[nomadguy]

Posted by ghostrider (here)
could be shielding our planet from the affects of nibiru's crossing

It could be that, and also shielding from stuff that could come from the galactic superwave, and perhaps it is already here.
It would be like a light switch. Not so much an event. Paul laviolette had mentioned the idea of the particles from the superwave being highly hydrogen. And then would precipitate mainly in water forms. So then the idea of the 40days and 40 nights of rain or the deluge-biblical stories seem relative to me. Shielding from ascensions has also been considered by quite a few in the Chemtrail groups we know, if the planet goes into a stellar cloud that can cause genesis like effects a shielding to slow the process might be in order ~due to the non-fractal living we humans have chosen.
>>>We really need to address our toxic enviro, metals+polymers and electrical currents over-under water and over-under land and under sea. I mean come on!!! this stuff is messing everything up. Anywho, Here is a very good explanation of such technologies and their possible uses. he begins into it at about 6:00 mins or so...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=mCf8mDGpFEo

[Fred259]

Posted by mondaze (here)
some serious disinfo going on here. I have watched the sky since the sixties and i know what contrails look like... and let me tell you the stuff they are pumping in the skies every day over my head is not a contrail. We never have blue skies any more, there is always an insidious oily grey scum in the sky. i dont need to be an optician to be able to believe my own eyes! The sun is never a focused spot in the sky but rather a diffused radiance. Say what you will so-called experts, i will continue to believe what i see!

Mondaze, if as you say you have watched the skies since the sixties then you will also be aware of the immense growth in air travel since the sixties. Do you consider this may have some bearing on matters?

You say you live in Cheshire UK one of the busiest sections of airspace in Western Europe. How many aircraft do you think pass over your country per 24 hours?

Where is the evidence of this activity, Who is manufacturing these chemicals? Who are the distributors? How are these chemicals delivered to the aircraft? When and who delivers them? Where are they stored on the aircraft? What delivery system is used? How is it activated? What about documentation? Do you think commercial airlines would permit this? Where are the whistleblowers who are directly involved in this crime?

If you have any evidence then it’s at least worthy of consideration. The fact that non of this exists surely should tell you something.


Hurritt Enyeto.

I see you also live in the North West. To answer your post #43, I agree within parts of the US and perhaps elsewhere weather manipulation, cloud seeding and other aerial activities take place. I accept this, however this is very isolated and in general we are talking about what is happening in the skies above our heads including where you live in the North West of England.

Cloud seeding is not taking place overhead Manchester, yet you seem to be of the belief that all aircraft passing overhead are spraying chemicals on the good folks of Manchester. Again where is the evidence?

You talk about huge canisters strapped under some commercial jets? I’m totally lost and bewildered by your question, this does not happen and further nothing is strapped as you put it? Come on be serious Hurritt, do you have any examples or evidence of this?

[Flash]

Posted by Siberia9 (here)
Fred259, I dont know if your just someone who just doesnt want to see the truth or what but if you use this CIA/NSA keyword software they call GOOGLE you find the proof you need. Its endless, its everywhere if you look. Here is an old one from your side of the pond, http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...medicalscience BTW I was taught about the chemtrailing as a child(I was born IN 1970) you see my family was involved with those government CIA/Spec ops Army/ Illuminati bags a crap. I remember being told about the phones the "spooks" used that had no wires, way back in the 70's. That sounded crazy to me and imposible, but guess what... cell phones are real. Come to think of it, last summer in Suffolk, Va I saw two planes flying 300' apart both spraying the same line of chemtrail mixing in the air. You are a pilot so Im sure you know there is only one group that is allowed to fly that close right? Ive watched them turn the spay on and off as they fly the grid over the city. Ive watched them recently spend all day flying into one spot and turn on the spray as they build one big cloud on a calm day here in North Carolina as they practice their whether weapons. Im not attacking you on a personal level, Im just making the point that you are clearly just refusing to acknowledge what is all around you, that is your choice of course, but I will not pretend with you, I'm sorry.

Hi Fred259,

The same here, I was taught about chemtrails in the early 70's by my grandfather, who was a farmer and was tired of too much rain to be able to farm (his crops and other farmer's crop as well were sinking in water). A whole region was under water for summers in a row and farmers went on the street demonstrating, in the 70's, for the government to stop "seeding the clouds" as they would say. There is even articles from that time mentioning the control of weather through cloud seeding with airplanes, nowadays called chemtrails. The government of the time admitted seeding the clouds in parliament.

see https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...7131#post97131 post 34

So please Fred, adjust your reading, this is dated knowledge.

[crosby]

Posted by Flash (here)

Posted by Siberia9 (here)
Fred259, I dont know if your just someone who just doesnt want to see the truth or what but if you use this CIA/NSA keyword software they call GOOGLE you find the proof you need. Its endless, its everywhere if you look. Here is an old one from your side of the pond, http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...medicalscience BTW I was taught about the chemtrailing as a child(I was born IN 1970) you see my family was involved with those government CIA/Spec ops Army/ Illuminati bags a crap. I remember being told about the phones the "spooks" used that had no wires, way back in the 70's. That sounded crazy to me and imposible, but guess what... cell phones are real. Come to think of it, last summer in Suffolk, Va I saw two planes flying 300' apart both spraying the same line of chemtrail mixing in the air. You are a pilot so Im sure you know there is only one group that is allowed to fly that close right? Ive watched them turn the spay on and off as they fly the grid over the city. Ive watched them recently spend all day flying into one spot and turn on the spray as they build one big cloud on a calm day here in North Carolina as they practice their whether weapons. Im not attacking you on a personal level, Im just making the point that you are clearly just refusing to acknowledge what is all around you, that is your choice of course, but I will not pretend with you, I'm sorry.

Hi Fred259,

The same here, I was taught about chemtrails in the early 70's by my grandfather, who was a farmer and was tired of too much rain to be able to farm (his crops and other farmer's crop as well were sinking in water). A whole region was under water for summers in a row and farmers went on the street demonstrating, in the 70's, for the government to stop "seeding the clouds" as they would say. There is even articles from that time mentioning the control of weather through cloud seeding with airplanes, nowadays called chemtrails. The government of the time admitted seeding the clouds in parliament.

see https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...7131#post97131 post 34

So please Fred, adjust your reading, this is dated knowledge.

now that is something i did not know. since the 70's? wow.
corson

[pharoah21]

[QUOTE=Fred259;192693]

Posted by mondaze (here)
some serious disinfo going on here. I have watched the sky since the sixties and i know what contrails look like... and let me tell you the stuff they are pumping in the skies every day over my head is not a contrail. We never have blue skies any more, there is always an insidious oily grey scum in the sky. i dont need to be an optician to be able to believe my own eyes!

If you have any evidence then it’s at least worthy of consideration. The fact that non of this exists surely should tell you something.


Hurritt Enyeto.

I’m totally lost and bewildered by your question, this does not happen and further nothing is strapped as you put it? Come on be serious Hurritt, do you have any examples or evidence of this?

Posted by Flash (here)

Posted by Siberia9 (here)
Fred259, I dont know if your just someone who just doesnt want to see the truth or what but if you use this CIA/NSA keyword software they call GOOGLE you find the proof you need. Its endless, its everywhere if you look. Here is an old one from your side of the pond, http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...medicalscience BTW I was taught about the chemtrailing as a child(I was born IN 1970) you see my family was involved with those government CIA/Spec ops Army/ Illuminati bags a crap. I remember being told about the phones the "spooks" used that had no wires, way back in the 70's. That sounded crazy to me and imposible, but guess what... cell phones are real. Come to think of it, last summer in Suffolk, Va I saw two planes flying 300' apart both spraying the same line of chemtrail mixing in the air. You are a pilot so Im sure you know there is only one group that is allowed to fly that close right? Ive watched them turn the spay on and off as they fly the grid over the city. Ive watched them recently spend all day flying into one spot and turn on the spray as they build one big cloud on a calm day here in North Carolina as they practice their whether weapons. Im not attacking you on a personal level, Im just making the point that you are clearly just refusing to acknowledge what is all around you, that is your choice of course, but I will not pretend with you, I'm sorry.

Hi Fred259,

The same here, I was taught about chemtrails in the early 70's by my grandfather, who was a farmer and was tired of too much rain to be able to farm (his crops and other farmer's crop as well were sinking in water). A whole region was under water for summers in a row and farmers went on the street demonstrating, in the 70's, for the government to stop "seeding the clouds" as they would say. There is even articles from that time mentioning the control of weather through cloud seeding with airplanes, nowadays called chemtrails. The government of the time admitted seeding the clouds in parliament.

see https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...7131#post97131 post 34

So please Fred, adjust your reading, this is dated knowledge.

There is your evidence Fred. The government even admitted to it. It is understandable to see why you would choose to defend pilots because you surely would not want your occupation to be associated with something like this. You can't just say something doesn't exist, with no evidence of your own to present. There is MUCH more evidence for the existence of chemtrailing then against.

[Fred259]

[QUOTE=pharoah21;192737]

Posted by Fred259 (here)

Posted by mondaze (here)
some serious disinfo going on here. I have watched the sky since the sixties and i know what contrails look like... and let me tell you the stuff they are pumping in the skies every day over my head is not a contrail. We never have blue skies any more, there is always an insidious oily grey scum in the sky. i dont need to be an optician to be able to believe my own eyes!

If you have any evidence then it’s at least worthy of consideration. The fact that non of this exists surely should tell you something.


Hurritt Enyeto.

I’m totally lost and bewildered by your question, this does not happen and further nothing is strapped as you put it? Come on be serious Hurritt, do you have any examples or evidence of this?

Posted by Flash (here)

Posted by Siberia9 (here)
Fred259, I dont know if your just someone who just doesnt want to see the truth or what but if you use this CIA/NSA keyword software they call GOOGLE you find the proof you need. Its endless, its everywhere if you look. Here is an old one from your side of the pond, http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...medicalscience BTW I was taught about the chemtrailing as a child(I was born IN 1970) you see my family was involved with those government CIA/Spec ops Army/ Illuminati bags a crap. I remember being told about the phones the "spooks" used that had no wires, way back in the 70's. That sounded crazy to me and imposible, but guess what... cell phones are real. Come to think of it, last summer in Suffolk, Va I saw two planes flying 300' apart both spraying the same line of chemtrail mixing in the air. You are a pilot so Im sure you know there is only one group that is allowed to fly that close right? Ive watched them turn the spay on and off as they fly the grid over the city. Ive watched them recently spend all day flying into one spot and turn on the spray as they build one big cloud on a calm day here in North Carolina as they practice their whether weapons. Im not attacking you on a personal level, Im just making the point that you are clearly just refusing to acknowledge what is all around you, that is your choice of course, but I will not pretend with you, I'm sorry.

Hi Fred259,

The same here, I was taught about chemtrails in the early 70's by my grandfather, who was a farmer and was tired of too much rain to be able to farm (his crops and other farmer's crop as well were sinking in water). A whole region was under water for summers in a row and farmers went on the street demonstrating, in the 70's, for the government to stop "seeding the clouds" as they would say. There is even articles from that time mentioning the control of weather through cloud seeding with airplanes, nowadays called chemtrails. The government of the time admitted seeding the clouds in parliament.

see https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...7131#post97131 post 34

So please Fred, adjust your reading, this is dated knowledge.

There is your evidence Fred. The government even admitted to it. It is understandable to see why you would choose to defend pilots because you surely would not want your occupation to be associated with something like this. You can't just say something doesn't exist, with no evidence of your own to present. There is MUCH more evidence for the existence of chemtrailing then against.

I accept that in the UK during the 1950 and as recently as 1979 the UK military were involved in aerial testing of chemical warfare agents. Likewise in Canada as Flash has indicated in Vancouver and Montreal in and around the 1960s the government were involved in what’s best has described as aerial activities. I have no issues with this.

What I’m specifically referring to is the grossly irresponsible comments on this forum and others were each and everyday members see jet trails in the sky and immediately come out with ridiculous statements without any foundation.

No evidence exists that this activity is taking place at all. These trails are perfectly normal as I have explained in post#42 and frankly if you have it in your mind that these are something else or perhaps more sinister, then I suggest you start accepting this because they won’t be going away.

[Muzz]

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post192660

[Fred259]

Posted by Muzz (here)

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post192660

Muzz, What you have here is a photograph of a dry desert storage facility in Arizona. These aircraft are out of service and probably will never see service again along with a half cocked story with no evidence or anything and this is supposed to constitute fact.

I thought people on this forum were above average intelligence. Do you seriously think this is a credible document.

[ceetee9]

Posted by Fred259 (here)

Posted by ceetee9 (here)

Posted by Fred259 (here)

Posted by ceetee9 (here)

Posted by Fred259 (here)
Where is the evidence selinam. Where is the research? If a proper credible document can be produced from any government or research establishment, then obviously it must be evaluated. At the moment none of this exists.

You don't go to the fox guarding the hen house to ask if the chickens are safe. If the only information you value is produced by the government or their academic shills whose lively hood depends on government grants then there is little that will satisfy you in the way of evidence. Having said that, I don't believe all evidence from alternative sources is necessarily valid either.

Frankly I would rather see a scientific report of this activity from a scientist or an academic rather than from a bunch of disinformation artists.

So where is the evidence? What you are looking at are contrails, and now a whole industry of disinformation has evolved that frightens the public into something that doesn’t even exist.

I keep asking where is the evidence. It doesn’t exist, its all in people’s minds!

Again, no amount of evidence will satisfy you if, by your own words, it doesn't come from a scientist or academic. There is plenty of evidence in books, articles, videos and on the net some of which were written by scientists and academics, but one must have an open mind and actually do the research for themselves. Judging from what you've written so far, I suspect you have neither.

OK then just produce any evidence. In post 17 the video is of an atmospheric research aircraft. Everything in the video is 100% correct. The voiceover is 100% disinformation and lies. The aircraft is used for atmospheric research probably by scientists at a university. What’s wrong is the video has been stolen and the voiceover is 100% lies referring to the aircraft as a Chemtrail aircraft, when in fact its an atmospheric research aircraft.

As I stated earlier, I don't necessarily believe everything I read (i.e., the video in #17 doesn't impress me--although I'd be interested to hear how you know with 100% certainty that the "voiceover" is, in fact, a voice-over and that it is 100% disinformation based on your singular data point of it being stated it was a "Chemtrail aircraft").

While I don't have photographic memory or keep a database on all the material I've read, listened to, or watched, and I make no claims as to the validity of the information I've provided below, I offer it for those who would like some place to start their research or who would just like more information about "persistent contrails" (aka chemtrails).

Patent for atmospheric chemical spraying to reduce UV radiation (1994-02-15):
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...186&RS=5003186

Welsbach Patent (5,003,186) for Stratospheric Welsbach Seeding for reduction of global warming (1991-03-26)
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...S=PN/5,003,186

USC Title 50 Chapter 32 on Chemical and Biological Warfare (revised 2010-02-01):
http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/50C32.txt -- (of particular interest section 1520a)

Atlanta Progressive News investigation (2011-02-13):
http://www.atlantaprogressivenews.co...-concerns.html

North Florida Gulf Skywatch information on chemtrails:
http://saive.com/BELFORT.html

William Thomas’ book Chemtrails Confirmed! (2004-08):
http://www.amazon.com/Chemtrails-Con...2213714&sr=8-1

Study: Persistent Contrails (Chemtrails?) Indeed Produced by Non-Regular Air Traffic (2010-03-06):
http://genesgreenbook.com/content/st...ar-air-traffic

Trail Research Report by M Steadham (2001-01-20):
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/report.shtml

[dan i el]

[QUOTE=Fred259;192759]

Posted by pharoah21 (here)

Posted by Fred259 (here)

Posted by mondaze (here)
some serious disinfo going on here. I have watched the sky since the sixties and i know what contrails look like... and let me tell you the stuff they are pumping in the skies every day over my head is not a contrail. We never have blue skies any more, there is always an insidious oily grey scum in the sky. i dont need to be an optician to be able to believe my own eyes!

If you have any evidence then it’s at least worthy of consideration. The fact that non of this exists surely should tell you something.


Hurritt Enyeto.

I’m totally lost and bewildered by your question, this does not happen and further nothing is strapped as you put it? Come on be serious Hurritt, do you have any examples or evidence of this?

Posted by Flash (here)

Posted by Siberia9 (here)
Fred259, I dont know if your just someone who just doesnt want to see the truth or what but if you use this CIA/NSA keyword software they call GOOGLE you find the proof you need. Its endless, its everywhere if you look. Here is an old one from your side of the pond, http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...medicalscience BTW I was taught about the chemtrailing as a child(I was born IN 1970) you see my family was involved with those government CIA/Spec ops Army/ Illuminati bags a crap. I remember being told about the phones the "spooks" used that had no wires, way back in the 70's. That sounded crazy to me and imposible, but guess what... cell phones are real. Come to think of it, last summer in Suffolk, Va I saw two planes flying 300' apart both spraying the same line of chemtrail mixing in the air. You are a pilot so Im sure you know there is only one group that is allowed to fly that close right? Ive watched them turn the spay on and off as they fly the grid over the city. Ive watched them recently spend all day flying into one spot and turn on the spray as they build one big cloud on a calm day here in North Carolina as they practice their whether weapons. Im not attacking you on a personal level, Im just making the point that you are clearly just refusing to acknowledge what is all around you, that is your choice of course, but I will not pretend with you, I'm sorry.

Hi Fred259,

The same here, I was taught about chemtrails in the early 70's by my grandfather, who was a farmer and was tired of too much rain to be able to farm (his crops and other farmer's crop as well were sinking in water). A whole region was under water for summers in a row and farmers went on the street demonstrating, in the 70's, for the government to stop "seeding the clouds" as they would say. There is even articles from that time mentioning the control of weather through cloud seeding with airplanes, nowadays called chemtrails. The government of the time admitted seeding the clouds in parliament.

see https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...7131#post97131 post 34

So please Fred, adjust your reading, this is dated knowledge.

There is your evidence Fred. The government even admitted to it. It is understandable to see why you would choose to defend pilots because you surely would not want your occupation to be associated with something like this. You can't just say something doesn't exist, with no evidence of your own to present. There is MUCH more evidence for the existence of chemtrailing then against.

I accept that in the UK during the 1950 and as recently as 1979 the UK military were involved in aerial testing of chemical warfare agents. Likewise in Canada as Flash has indicated in Vancouver and Montreal in and around the 1960s the government were involved in what’s best has described as aerial activities. I have no issues with this.

What I’m specifically referring to is the grossly irresponsible comments on this forum and others were each and everyday members see jet trails in the sky and immediately come out with ridiculous statements without any foundation.

No evidence exists that this activity is taking place at all. These trails are perfectly normal as I have explained in post#42 and frankly if you have it in your mind that these are something else or perhaps more sinister, then I suggest you start accepting this because they won’t be going away.

Supersaturation due to increased air traffic can be said to account for much in terms of "persistent contrails". What I am finding more conclusive is how seemingly from nowhere the skies above me will be awash with jets on erratic occasions. Even if they didn't ALL leave trails which become a cirrus smog, which they do,they,nevertheless are totally anomalous with what is the day to day fare of air traffic here. Science is moot on this point,it is simply logic.

[Fred259]

[QUOTE=dan i el;192788]

Posted by Fred259 (here)

Posted by pharoah21 (here)

Posted by Fred259 (here)

Posted by mondaze (here)
some serious disinfo going on here. I have watched the sky since the sixties and i know what contrails look like... and let me tell you the stuff they are pumping in the skies every day over my head is not a contrail. We never have blue skies any more, there is always an insidious oily grey scum in the sky. i dont need to be an optician to be able to believe my own eyes!

If you have any evidence then it’s at least worthy of consideration. The fact that non of this exists surely should tell you something.


Hurritt Enyeto.

I’m totally lost and bewildered by your question, this does not happen and further nothing is strapped as you put it? Come on be serious Hurritt, do you have any examples or evidence of this?

Posted by Flash (here)

Posted by Siberia9 (here)
Fred259, I dont know if your just someone who just doesnt want to see the truth or what but if you use this CIA/NSA keyword software they call GOOGLE you find the proof you need. Its endless, its everywhere if you look. Here is an old one from your side of the pond, http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...medicalscience BTW I was taught about the chemtrailing as a child(I was born IN 1970) you see my family was involved with those government CIA/Spec ops Army/ Illuminati bags a crap. I remember being told about the phones the "spooks" used that had no wires, way back in the 70's. That sounded crazy to me and imposible, but guess what... cell phones are real. Come to think of it, last summer in Suffolk, Va I saw two planes flying 300' apart both spraying the same line of chemtrail mixing in the air. You are a pilot so Im sure you know there is only one group that is allowed to fly that close right? Ive watched them turn the spay on and off as they fly the grid over the city. Ive watched them recently spend all day flying into one spot and turn on the spray as they build one big cloud on a calm day here in North Carolina as they practice their whether weapons. Im not attacking you on a personal level, Im just making the point that you are clearly just refusing to acknowledge what is all around you, that is your choice of course, but I will not pretend with you, I'm sorry.

Hi Fred259,

The same here, I was taught about chemtrails in the early 70's by my grandfather, who was a farmer and was tired of too much rain to be able to farm (his crops and other farmer's crop as well were sinking in water). A whole region was under water for summers in a row and farmers went on the street demonstrating, in the 70's, for the government to stop "seeding the clouds" as they would say. There is even articles from that time mentioning the control of weather through cloud seeding with airplanes, nowadays called chemtrails. The government of the time admitted seeding the clouds in parliament.

see https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...7131#post97131 post 34

So please Fred, adjust your reading, this is dated knowledge.

There is your evidence Fred. The government even admitted to it. It is understandable to see why you would choose to defend pilots because you surely would not want your occupation to be associated with something like this. You can't just say something doesn't exist, with no evidence of your own to present. There is MUCH more evidence for the existence of chemtrailing then against.

I accept that in the UK during the 1950 and as recently as 1979 the UK military were involved in aerial testing of chemical warfare agents. Likewise in Canada as Flash has indicated in Vancouver and Montreal in and around the 1960s the government were involved in what’s best has described as aerial activities. I have no issues with this.

What I’m specifically referring to is the grossly irresponsible comments on this forum and others were each and everyday members see jet trails in the sky and immediately come out with ridiculous statements without any foundation.

No evidence exists that this activity is taking place at all. These trails are perfectly normal as I have explained in post#42 and frankly if you have it in your mind that these are something else or perhaps more sinister, then I suggest you start accepting this because they won’t be going away.

Supersaturation due to increased air traffic can be said to account for much in terms of "persistent contrails". What I am finding more conclusive is how seemingly from nowhere the skies above me will be awash with jets on erratic occasions. Even if they didn't ALL leave trails which become a cirrus smog, which they do,they,nevertheless are totally anomalous with what is the day to day fare of air traffic here. Science is moot on this point,it is simply logic.

I think the people need to appreciate the volume of traffic here, New York terminal will handle 5000+ movements a day. It’s not as high as that in Europe but not far behind either.

[dan i el]

Posted by Fred259 (here)

I think the people need to appreciate the volume of traffic here, New York terminal will handle 5000+ movements a day. It’s not as high as that in Europe but not far behind either.

What I can comment on is the regular traffic I see overhead here and not in New York or any other place. As already stated - on erratic occasions an anomalous amount of jets will appear all at once, completely out of place with the usual air traffic here. All will leave trails that become cirrus smog and all will again disappear after 30 to 90 minutes. I have researched this subject for years now and am well aware of the arguments proposed by atmospheric science/aeronautical engineers vis a vi contrails -- what I am talking about is not explained by mainstream scientific analysis nor appeals to consider the sheer volume of air traffic in the 21st century.