Eating animal products will shut down your dna

[Constance]

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[Ineffable Hitchhiker]

Thank you for this interesting thread and your input Constance. (and all others who joined )

When I was pregnant, with both my children, I had an absolute aversion to meat. The sight, the smell and the taste of it.
(My husband had to cook it for himself, if he wanted it.)
I always wondered whether it was an intuitive feeling that I don´t really need it to nourish my children?
Was it an inner "knowing" that I was unaware of?
After reading the posts here, I believe this may be true, but I cannot know for sure.
I just know, for myself, that it definitely does lower my own vibration and makes me sluggish.

You have definitely given me "food for thought" and will have a look at those suggestions you posted in the first post.

[NancyV]

In my experience of being a total vegetarian for 7 years I thought it was an essential prerequisite to allow me to travel out of body on other dimensions, which I did many times per week. So it was a belief I adopted which was part of the meditation path I was following. I read many books for years regarding health, spiritual, ethical and compassionate reasons for not eating animal products. My son was raised as a total vegetarian and is still one to this day, which happens to be his 31st birthday. My husband and I brainwashed him so well that he gets physically ill at just the thought of eating meat or eggs. Our daughter married a "normal" person and finally began to eat animal products at about the age of 21.

As with so many things I've done to excess in my life I found out later that my views on vegetarianism as related to spirituality were limited, imbalanced and incomplete. Total vegetarianism is not at all essential to leaving my body, communicating with spirits, merging with the Source, etc. In fact it really doesn't matter at all what I eat, I am still able to leave my body and no being on any other plane or dimension up to the Source even thinks about or mentions whether or not another being has eaten meat. It has no importance whatsoever! Guilts, fears and judgments are more hindering to "ascension" and out of body travels than eating animal products, in my opinion and experience.

Of course I'm not exactly sure what each person means when they talk of "ascension", nor am I convinced that they are sure what they mean. If one means raising your vibrational frequency to the point where your body also travels with you when you leave this 3D world through death or for astral traveling on other dimensions, I can't see the reason for doing that. I have read many books on the subject and used to think "ascension" might be something valid. Maybe for some it is but not for me. I much prefer to leave this flesh vehicle here in the physical world. It is a wonderfully complex vehicle for the soul but I no longer see it as having a huge amount of importance and I have no desire to take it with me. My soul is quite intact when I travel out of body and it has never made sense to me that one needs to raise the vibration of the vehicle. Of course I understand the theory behind it but I simply do not agree with it.

I agree with Inelia that the ultimate goal in refining your diet would be breatharianism. Veganism is still a rather low step in the "diet as a spiritual tool" process. My husband and I got to the point of total fruitarianism with a goal of breatharianism, but after a few months of nothing but raw fruit our teeth began to loosen and we got so skinny it was really funny! It was also rather uncomfortable to have our senses so enhanced that it was difficult to be around other people and hear their thoughts and feel their emotions. It was almost painful to go into a grocery store and get near the meat section, but we didn't buy much in stores. We lived in Hawaii and fruit was abundant, the weather was perfect and we didn't have to work at a job. I imagine it would have been much more difficult in New York, for instance.

Now to the idea of the "cruelty" of predators. This doesn't make sense to me at all. I don't view natural animal instincts as cruel. The belief that killing for food is cruel seems to be a judgment that this physical reality was perhaps created incorrectly. I prefer to think that the Creator did not make any mistakes. If someone thinks they could do a better job... then create your own world where everything is the way you think it should be. This world I live in is just fine and I've always enjoyed it with all it's pain, suffering, love and beauty. In other words... it's duality. If I wanted Oneness all the time I wouldn't be here, I'd be merged with the Source. I chose to be here and I won't attempt to make it the same as being one with the Source.

Here on earth all life eats other life for sustenance, whether plant, animal or some other source of energy. It was designed that way and I don't know why, but it is what it is. We can be compassionate and empathetic and still eat meat. One has nothing to do with the other. Treating animals with cruelty is cruel but eating them is natural.

Personally I have little interest in any food nowadays except for coconut gelato!

Nancy

[modwiz]

Posted by Normalguy31 (here)
What about canine teeth? Humans are born with canine teeth that are specifically designed for tearing meat. If we are not supposed to eat meat: why are we born with teeth to tear meat?

In humans the so called "canine teeth" are called bi-cuspids. Their function has no correlation the the interlocking bi-cuspids of carnivores. These teeth in carnivores allow a predator to approach the prey from the side, pierce the skin and "lock" onto the animal as the predator now can exert some drag on, and tire, the prey.

The argument for canine teeth in humans is an idea you were "given" to make you "see" the innocence and logic of meat eating.
So, the canine tooth argument is an ingrained idea. Like religion.

Our bi-cuspids are very handy for breaking the skins on certain fruits though.

It is of further note to observe that we do not crave our meat raw, like carnivores. Eating certain animals is inconceivable to many of us, especially our pets, because our meat eating is learned from our parents. If children were told where their first hamburger came from many would never even eat it. Horse meat is delicious.
Most parents are aware you cannot tell a child the source of meat meals until the taste is acquired and craving is set.

That said, people will do what they will and the dead can bury their own.

[NancyV]

This is an interesting article in Dr. Mercola's Newsletter today:

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...ent-child.aspx

How Mom's Vegan Diet Unintentionally Killed Her Innocent Child

Vegans Sergine and Joel Le Moaligou fed their 11-month-old daughter Louise only mother's milk, and she died suffering from a vitamin deficiency. The two are currently on trial in northern France, charged with neglect.

The pair called the emergency services in March 2008 after becoming worried about their baby's listlessness. When the ambulance arrived, the baby was already dead.

According to Yahoo Health:

"An autopsy showed that Louise was suffering from a vitamin A and B12 deficiency which experts say increases a child's sensitivity to infection and can be due to an unbalanced diet ... The couple did not follow the doctor's advice to hospitalize the baby who was suffering from bronchitis and was losing weight when they went for the nine-month check-up."

Dr. Mercola's Comments:

Breast milk is a near perfect food that is hands-down the best nourishment you can give to your baby. But it does have one downfall: its nutritional value is influenced by the mother's diet, and in extreme cases this can result in important nutrients missing from the breast milk.

In the tragic case reported above, it appears 11-month-old Louise lost her life because her mom's vegan diet created vitamin deficiencies in the breast milk she was exclusively fed on. Sadly, there were warning signs that the milk was not providing proper nutrition months before her death, as the baby was sickly and losing weight, but they were ignored.

People following a strict vegan diet are often convinced that it is the healthiest way of eating possible, and this was most likely the case with Louise's parents. But this tragic case can serve as a powerful warning for those who choose to avoid all animal foods when breastfeeding.

Veganism Can be Deadly

Some may disagree with me, but it is my observation and belief that a strict vegan diet, one that includes no sources of animal protein whatsoever, can be dangerous -- even deadly.

I am certainly not advocating that everyone eat meat (especially factory-farmed meat), but it seems clear to me that virtually everyone benefits from some animal protein. In some cultures this may be very little such as the insects consumed in grains in India. In others, meat proteins may make up a considerable portion of diet or other animal proteins like raw organic dairy and eggs.

With veganism, many make this dietary choice based on ethical or spiritual convictions, and I have no disagreements with that.

However, there are very often health consequences for choosing to avoid all animal foods that can lead to missing critical nutrients needed to optimize your health. This was the case with popular actress Angelina Jolie, who was a vegan for a long time until, in her words, "it nearly killed me."

But for expectant and nursing mothers, babies, and children, a vegan diet may not be tolerated for nearly as long without consequences.

Vitamin B12 Deficiency is One Glaring Risk

Vitamin B12 is one of the eight B complex vitamins and is naturally present in foods that come from animals, including meat, fish, eggs, milk and milk products. If you eat a strict vegan diet, vitamin B12 is one of the nutrients your body is most likely deficient in, and even if you take a supplement, vegetarian supplements of B12 are notoriously ineffective in raising B12 levels.

According to a study on the Hallelujah Diet -- a strict vegan diet -- by researcher Michael Donaldson, Ph.D. of Cornell University:

"Our study revealed early signs of vitamin B12 deficiency in 26 of the 54 people tested, after following the Hallelujah Diet for as little as two to four years."

He noted not only that vegan food sources of vitamin B12 are sparse, but that deficiency is especially dangerous for pregnant and nursing moms and infants:

"Based on the published studies and our results, adequate vitamin B12 status of vegans cannot be taken for granted. Pregnant women, nursing mothers, infants, and small children are particularly vulnerable to B12 shortages. Ensuring adequate B12 is critical for normal neurological development and maintenance, with shortages resulting in permanent damage."

Even though vitamin B12 is water-soluble, it doesn't exit your body quickly like other water-soluble vitamins. B12 is stored in your liver, kidneys and other body tissues, and as a result, a deficiency may not show itself for a number of years.

This time lag is a serious concern, because after about seven years of B12 deficiency, irreversible brain damage and other problems can result. In infants and children, however, extensive B12 reserves have not yet been established, so deficiency signs and symptoms tend to become apparent more rapidly.

As children grow, they will also be impacted by a host of other nutrients missing from a strict vegan diet, including saturated fats, animal-based omega-3 fats and vitamin A, just to name a few.

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Posted by astrid (here)
Thanks for your response Constance.

And yes this could spin of onto a long and complex thread.

I will just say that people with non- neurotypical brains aren't broken, we just think differently
and thrive in certain conditions that the mainstream doesn't generally provide for.
Think in terms of us being hunters in a farmers world ,think evolutionary not illness here.

I was born with this, and my mother is Austic so its not something that can be fixed,
just like a person born with half an arm can't be fixed. But there are lots of work arounds, which i use .
If i limit my dealings with mainstream and work mainly in the higher realms , i do ok.

The biggest hurdles we often face is trying to explain to people without these types of brains, how things are for us.
It gets frustrating and distressing so i don't generally bother getting into this.
So i will won't elaborate any more, as it will just derail the thread further.

( but we can chat in pm more if u like)

Blessings,

Astrid

Both my son and I are Aspie. He is more pronounced than me owing to some autism from his mother. I have come to appreciate my difference and see it as a positive thing and I include my son. The only downside is living in a world with so many so-called normal people(trolls).lol

I see our way, ( my son and me ) as a natural reaction to a cruel, uncaring, dog-eat-dog competitive world that is largely a conditioned disposition put into place by the parasites that run our world. Interestingly, meat eating feeds this aggressiveness while it nurtures and propagates the killer instinct. This behavior might help one "fit in" with the rest of the world more comfortably but I am more discerning of the company I keep and retreat into the safety and sanity of my autistic world makes perfect sense to me. I venture out for as long as I can tolerate to make the world a better place before having to return to the spirit filled sanctity of my sweet created personal world.

I believe that autism that is not exo-chemically produced is the result of many higher vibration beings that are shocked into an almost catotonic state, in severe cases, by the ugly and exploitive way of living they are exposed to from first breath, in many cases.

Anyway,

[modwiz]

Posted by Arpheus (here)
This thread is going to go on for a while Constance hehe,i bow to your courage tho,cause your gonna take a lot of unnecessary heat for making this thread,but so far you seem to be handling things just fine,keep it up my dear !

I consider Constance a friend because we communicate beyond the forum for a richer knowledge of each other and because we "get" each other. So when I saw her start this thread I knew she would have both the grace and tenacity to stay here and respond and see it through.

There are a few other people here who mind their threads well also and I wish to acknowledge that and them, nameless they will be now lest I forget one.

This thread will not only be informative of the subject material it will also speak volumes as to the character of this special woman and how fortunate Avalon is to have her.

Five pages in one day shows the interest in this discussion.

[phillipbbg]

Recently I broke away from the built in animal protein brain washing that has been powerfully bombarding me since child hood. I decided after reading a book called "The China Study" that I would exclude all animal based protein from my diet..... I was fearful that I would be hungry all the time, not satisfied, low energy etc....

Well all the animal protein propaganda for me turned out to be crap, my energy levels increased, as I had decided to not get hungry (meaning eat whenever you want ) hunger was not an issue, I was fully satisfied and much healthier to boot.

The most amazing thing was what I discovered we are being given to eat in packaged foods.... I discovered that some companied have dropped potato starch as a bulking agent and replaced it with SUGAR because it is cheaper... no wonder diabetes is on the increase. The other thing is dairy produce has crept into so many foods....

I am not endorsing the book for any gain but it opens your eyes on how the so called experts have suppressed the actual truth about animal protein in our diets.
For anyone interested here is some further info about the China Study http://www.thechinastudy.com/PDFs/Ch...dy_Excerpt.pdf

As far as working on the more subtle sides of our beings it is a no brainer that animal based foods have to have a detrimental affect IMO

[Constance]

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[Wiremu2011]

I wonder what the indigenous cultures would have to say of this thread? And what of the Eskimo's - how would they survive as a collective in their enviroment if they didn't eat seals and, whales etc? I only recently watched a fascinating documentary on this group and saw that they needed these animals to survive in that place or they'd be extinct. What would you suggest they used as an alternative food source in those freezing elements?

[Calz]

Posted by Wiremu2011 (here)
I wonder what the indigenous cultures would have to say of this thread? And what of the Eskimo's - how would they survive as a collective in their enviroment if they didn't eat seals and, whales etc? I only recently watched a fascinating documentary on this group and saw that they needed these animals to survive in that place or they'd be extinct. What would you suggest they used as an alternative food source in those freezing elements?

Good point(s) not only from a food availability standpoint but the skins used for clothing and shelter etc.

[Calz]

Posted by phillipbbg (here)
Recently I broke away from the built in animal protein brain washing that has been powerfully bombarding me since child hood. I decided after reading a book called "The China Study" that I would exclude all animal based protein from my diet..... I was fearful that I would be hungry all the time, not satisfied, low energy etc....

Well all the animal protein propaganda for me turned out to be crap, my energy levels increased, as I had decided to not get hungry (meaning eat whenever you want ) hunger was not an issue, I was fully satisfied and much healthier to boot.

The most amazing thing was what I discovered we are being given to eat in packaged foods.... I discovered that some companied have dropped potato starch as a bulking agent and replaced it with SUGAR because it is cheaper... no wonder diabetes is on the increase. The other thing is dairy produce has crept into so many foods....

I am not endorsing the book for any gain but it opens your eyes on how the so called experts have suppressed the actual truth about animal protein in our diets.
For anyone interested here is some further info about the China Study http://www.thechinastudy.com/PDFs/Ch...dy_Excerpt.pdf

As far as working on the more subtle sides of our beings it is a no brainer that animal based foods have to have a detrimental affect IMO

Thank you for the pdf.

I saw that title on amazon as I was sifting through all the (glowing) reviews of the Robbins book Constance referred to.

[Constance]

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[W.C.]

In my understanding, there is no 'one size fits all' when it comes to dieting. Sure, one can boast of the benefits of this diet or that -- but a benefit to whom exactly, is the issue, as whether we like it or not, we're not all the same. This is why one diet may work wonders for your neighbour, but leave you outside of optimal health and wondering whether that really is their secret.

Let me repost two short and quick examples.

Angelina Jolie is remarked to have almost died from adhering to a vegan diet (easily google-able) - which can be attributed to hearsay I suppose, but who knows. In France, a vegan couple, Sergine and Joel Le Moaligou's 11 month year old daughter Louise did in fact die.

Breast milk is a near perfect food that is hands-down the best nourishment you can give to your baby. But it does have one downfall: Its nutritional value is influenced by the mother's diet, and in extreme cases this can result in important nutrients missing from the breast milk.

In the tragic case reported above, it appears 11-month-old Louise lost her life because her mom's vegan diet created vitamin deficiencies in the breast milk she was exclusively fed on. Sadly, there were warning signs that the milk was not providing proper nutrition months before her death, as the baby was sickly and losing weight, but they were ignored.

People following a strict vegan diet are often convinced that it is the healthiest way of eating possible, and this was most likely the case with Louise's parents. But this tragic case can serve as a powerful warning for those who choose to avoid all animal foods when breastfeeding.

I am not advocating or condemning any diet here, but presenting perhaps an alternate perception to the idea that this or that diet is best for all -- not that anyone is really saying that.

The best diet is what is best for you, personally. And this can only be found through research, trial and err. That is, after all, how diets are created.

What I admire greatly about vegans or vegetarians is their understanding of food in general. If only more meat eaters took the time to research food as vegans and vegetarians do, perhaps we wouldn't have these horrific animal factories, or this or that.

In any case, I'm glad many here have found optimal or better health through vegan, vegetarian and meat eating diets. It's also great to see the people have mentioned what has worked for them -- little things noted here and there may be the spark to awakening a whole new world to others. It only takes one candle to pierce the deepest darkness, and that very candle can set the world on fire.

[John Parslow]

Hello Constance

Many thanks for your courage in starting a thread which may well turn out to be a contentious issue amongst the Avalon community. You have provided an interesting slant on ‘to eat meat’ or ‘not to eat meat’ which in itself is a very difficult question especially for some indigenous peoples who do not have a choice - to some peoples of this world the only choice is to eat meat or die …

I have been a vegetarian for well over thirty years and my choice was one of conscience in that I saw no need to kill anything for my own survival when the world is full of fruit and vegetables. I would have to qualify this with an admission that I do eat fish and eggs - so that would probably make me an egg consuming ‘Fishtarian’ if there is such a thing …

I read with interest your quote:

Eating ANY form of animal product will shut down your DNA.

I am not entirely sure that I agree with this account - is there any proof of this available - I want you to know that I am not making a case for being a carnivore just interested to learn the mechanics of this statement.

I would be very interested to know if in your opinion my DNA has improved over the last thirty years or so or has my egg and fish consumption held back my path to ascension?

Love and peace to you and once again thank you for this interesting post. JP

P.S. Apologies - I have not had time to read all the responses

[Constance]

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[phillipbbg]

Posted by Wiremu2011 (here)
I wonder what the indigenous cultures would have to say of this thread? And what of the Eskimo's - how would they survive as a collective in their enviroment if they didn't eat seals and, whales etc? I only recently watched a fascinating documentary on this group and saw that they needed these animals to survive in that place or they'd be extinct. What would you suggest they used as an alternative food source in those freezing elements?

You have to eat from your existing environment in a sustainable way, Eskimo's eat what they have available and there existence has adjusted to except the nutrients of that environment. However what is not always reported is how there health and culture are affected by the introduction of our modern city foods.
Its all about balance IMO

[astrid]

Personally i don't think its that simple, to view diet in terms as a one size fits all thing.

I'm more inclined to lean towards the theory that we are all composed of a vast genetic cocktail.

And those lineages all had different diets depending on their environments.

I did follow the blood type diet theories for a while, and i found it interesting that i had naturally
figured out that the foods i was eating and felt better on, where those listed for my type.
Interestingly enough all the foods in my group where of the stimulating variety.
Some people do very badly on coffee for example, but when i cut it out all together i literally don't function...

More on that line of thinking here, for those that are interested.

http://www.dadamo.com/

http://www.dadamo.com/video_intro.htm

I lean towards finding the right balance for my particular bio-chemistry,
rather than being extreme in anything, or following a diet "dogma".

Just MHO, but having trailed and errored so many different things, including

not eating meat, i settled on what works.

Bottom line for me was listen to my body.

I also use muscle testing to find out what my body needs.

- that was another way i found that i had to eat some meat.

And, really our bodies have all the answers that we need,

its just a matter of tapping into the amazing field that we all have access too.

And when u add intention to that mix, we are also able to change the structure of what we eat to better suit us.

You just have to look the experiments with the structuring of water.


Blessings,

A

[The Truth Is In There]

"Eating ANY form of animal product will shut down your DNA."

i don't agree with this. your vibration may not rise as quickly as with a purely vegan diet but it all depends on the type of animal product and the amount.

i agree that meat should be avoided at all costs, for many different reasons. however, i don't believe you stop your "ascension process" if you want to call it that, for example by eating a little butter every now and then.

from my experience i can tell that stopping meat consumption has a massive and immediate effect, psychological as well as psychical, and also on your health and well-being. you may very well lose all your fears, worries and whatever else has plagued you. bad mood will also be a thing of the past.

the problem with a total vegan diet is that it is very easy to make mistakes that can be detrimental to one's health. vitamin deficiencies and so on. i don't agree with those who say that veganism is unhealthy, but you have to know what you do if you want to eat vegan and remain healthy forever.

something that seems to occur for most (if not all) vegans is that the liver reduces bile production (because less bile is needed for digestion, obviously), with the result that vegans are not capable of digesting meat or large amounts of animal proteins anymore and get sick. it's not just that the body immediately starts to detoxify and so you get sick, it's also because of the missing bile proteins and fat remain undigested and make you sick. so what's very important to stay healthy is a 100% clean liver.

another problem can occur if you eat everything raw - you lower your agni (digestive fire) and might eventually all but kill it so you can't digest most things anymore, only fruits and certain veggies. (reduced bile production is one part of this)

so i think it's possible to become a healthy vegan and stay healthy but you need to know a lot of things in order to avoid mistakes (or you learn by making some of those mistakes, as i did, haha)

for me it would be no problem to go totally vegan again if i knew a tasty substitute for raw milk butter since that's the only animal product i consume in small quantities. however, i'd definitely not go 100% raw again. that only makes sense if you want to stop eating altogether and only drink fresh juices for the rest of your live. that, of course, would be the ideal (besides breatharianism)