Eating animal products will shut down your dna

[DevilPigeon]

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I've mostly been a meat eater all my life, but had a 3 year vegetarian period several years ago. Only recently have I changed my diet again, not explicitly vegetarian but largely meat-free simply by my current choices. My daily diet consists largely of pulses (chickpeas/beans/peas/sweetcorn etc) & oil (cold pressed virgin olive/Udo's Choice), with a large helping of olives thrown in too (I LOVE olives!). Sometimes I also eat tuna & oily fish (mackerel/sardines/herring). Breakfast is an oat-based supermarket mix with milk.

I have to admit to feeling more alert & less tired recently, with a sense of feeling lighter too (despite my weight LOL). My cholesterol level is also well below average (3.09 total, ratio of 2.7).

I find it easy maintaining this diet, but would find it difficult to cut out fish altogether, as well as milk. I don't even consider soya substitutes for many reasons (I don't like the taste, so it falls at the first hurdle! Never mind the other negative health issues surrounding soya). If I had a question, it would be what suggestions could anyone give for me to improve upon my current situation?

As a side point, I understand the suffering issue with animals and exploiting them for food... But doesn't that extend to plants too, from a 'total consciousness' point of view? I'm thinking for example, cutting fruit from trees etc.... This last point isn't a frivolous throwaway comment, I'm genuinely interested.

[grapevine]

[Quote: BTW....I make magnificant vegan pizzas. Unquote]

A recipe would be nice Constance, although this would probably be OFF TOPIC. Would you send me the recipe for your magnificent vegan pizza on a pm please?

Your words fill me with shame so I'm going meatless once again (so you have saved at least one life already Constance). I took a walk along a country lane into the grounds of a farmer last Spring. It was a range free farm and all the young cows put their heads over the barn door and looked at me with great interest. I could see their intelligence and I felt sad at their fate. I didn't eat meat again until the Autumn, but unfortunately I did go back to it, I think out of pure laziness. I have been on and off meat for most of my life, the greatest stretch being between the ages of 16 and 23 and then for maybe a year or a few months. To be honest I have not felt any different spiritually whether I eat meat or not. What are the signs?

I salute you Constance.

xxx

[Jendayi]

Thank you for starting this thread! it takes guts to take on the avalon community ;-)
i would like to share some observations though...
Myself, i have been a vegetarian in the past for about 2 years... and allthough i felt good to an extent, at a certain point i became complacent... i would no longer protest to things that were harmfull to me.. i would no longer resist... i was living with a group of people at this time.. all very powerful souls.. with beautiful idea's and amazing energies... we had momentum, a drive to change the world.. however... nothing really happened... this lead me to some conclusions and observations...

let's take this to a global scale, shall we?

- We have fluoridated water and other products that make us docile and easily controlled. (in the russian gulag fluoride was admittedly used to keep the inmates in line)
- we have aspartame... nuff said..
- the soy market is bigger than ever and is generating billions of dollars in revenue.. to who this money goes? more than 60% btw, is gen. modified.
- "Bio" "Eco" And "vegetarianism" is promoted a lot these days
- the new age movement telling us that all goes according to (divine) plan..
- the mayan calendar movement (90% white people, bit weird) telling us it will all be over, either december 2012 or october 2011.

Why do i share all this? well.. if you were an elite group that wished to implement total control over a planetary population you would need to do a couple of things...

1. create a division or two amongst the people you wish to dominate...
2. give them hope and joy in the form of a wondrous and amazing story/prophecy.. a carrot on a string, so to speak...
4. tie in this story with some ancient civilization that enchants us, i.e. the mayans, egyptians etc.. which can never be verified by the layman..
5. contaminate the water with controlling substances, as everyone drinks water...
6. hire some bronzed men and blond women with a spiritual "radiance" to promote love and light while the truth is taken away bit by bit..
7. and here it is: create a meat industry to contaminate and distort our diet.. first they have us eat meat that is in fact a shadow of what it is supposed to be.. it is processed, stressed, contaminated and distorted... we keep eating it because eating meat has been a part of our diet for ages... since the nutritional and energetic value of meat has been reduced to almost zero we have to eat huge amounts of it (very clever scheme) opposed to the olden days where we ate much, much less meat from animals that had good lives....
8. ok, the meat industry has been established worldwide... now, vegetarianism is promoted... (ask yourself... why is vegetarianism being so promoted in glossy magazines and by movie stars?) people are being exposed to horrific images of the bio-industry.. we are sent on a guilt trip.. and rightfully so i might add.. bio-industry is not the way to go.... but what do they do? they setup a soy industry as an alternative.. wreaking havoc with ecosystems worldwide... did you know 100 grams of processed soy has the same effect on women as 1 anti-conception pill?

i could go on but i believe an awake and astute avalonian can connect the dots...

Dear friends..
i do not wish to divide.. we are all unique..
some of us eat meat, others don't... i have personally met vegans who were quite nasty and abusive.. and i have met meat-eaters who were the some of the nicest people i have ever known..
and vice versa.. the universe is full of the most diverse forms of life... i respect this diversity to the highest degree.. we each have different paths, but our final destination is the same for all of us.....

another thought.... monsanto and other companies have been tampering with plant genetics for decades... their spores and seeds have been carried by the wind for years now... contaminating everything... the chemtrails that rain down on our crops.. the nuclear fall-out of many known and unkown bomb tests.. chernobyl and now japan... not to mention all the electro-smog and other forms of radiation...
our world is 100% contaminated by many different foreign substances.. yet we are still here.... we are still waking up and we are becoming stronger everyday...

i do not claim any authority on the fore mentioned.. however i do wish to share some perspectives..
what if... meat has been reduced to crap by TPTW to take away our "fire"?
what if... vegetarianism is promoted to turn us into "treehugging" peace wishers who will no longer stand up and fight for what's right.. and i mean really fight...
what if... the new age movement and 2012 is a carrot (lord sidious?) and that the "all is going as it should" conditioning is to keep us at bay and complacent?
what if... we are told to "go inside" so we get detached from what is going on outside?
what if... we are all ready ascended... but that we are still operating under 3d parameters?
again.. i could go on...

my point is.. that it does not matter.. all ways of being have a right to exist... trying to convince another of your way is actually slowing you down... i am not saying you should stop sharing... quite the contrary.. i enjoy your writings.. (all of you)
aargh.... uhm.. how do i say this?
got it.. here's an example... from my own experience..
i have been on a "spiritual" path for a long time now.. during my life i have met people who were blown away by my presence and energy.. to my own dismay, i have seen people stand in awe when interacting with me.. i have no idea why.. but some say it has to do with who i am beyond this life.. could be.. even avalonians who i highly respect and care for have humbled me with how they say they see me... i am apparently a very pleasant and uplifting person to be around.. believe me.. this puzzles me often.. as i do many things not considered to be spiritual by many
people come to me, asking me for advice, asking me for healing... i am no certified healer, no teacher, no guru or shaman.. just a guy who has accepted all he is.. flaws included..
i smoke, eat meat once in a while, hardly eat fruit, sometimes vegetables, (i don't eat a lot though) enjoy a psy-mushroom or ayahuasca now and then, i smoke santa-maria (marihuana) regularly, i have lived on the edge in many ways.. i do not work out, i don't do yoga or other body related work, yet, at age 34, i can touch my knees with my nose, bend over backwards, lay my legs in my neck and so on... my body has an enormous regenerative capacity and i heal quicker than most people i know, both physical and emotional.. i do stretch and dance a lot and live an active life with passive periods, i enjoy cookies of any kind, drink my coffee and tea with sugar and lots of it, don't drink milk... and yet again.. i could go on...

we are a diverse group here on earth.. we come from all over the universe.. we all have an optimum diet for the body we currently inhabit, no diet is exactly the same.. bloodtypes are also an important factor in determining the right nutrition for you... myself, i have memories of a "past" life as a feline-humanoid, maybe that's why i love cats and eat meat.. especially the kind my cat seems to like too.. some humans might originate from a herbivorian blue-print.. i apparently do not... the moment we transcend this world we wil no longer need any sustenance, both meat or fruit/vegetables... we come from different places but all arrive at the same point..

this is turning out to be a much bigger post than i planned but that's ok..
i am not promoting any lifestyle here.. just sharing my own.. and that IMHO it does not matter what you do, eat, drink, think or expose yourselves to.. what matters is how you do it
consciousness stands at the base of any physical experience.. since we are both the creator and the created we can use and apply any thing, thought, form or energy that exists in this creation to experience ourselves.. we can even identify useful traits in other lifeforms and copy them into our own being, energetically through the power of intent..

all ways of being have a right to exist.. they are illusions anyway so why make such a fuss out of it? we all wake up in different stages in our lives, we are triggered by very different catalysts, we all enter paradise in our own time and through our own door...
so..
if you are a vegan.. Great! keep going that path..
do you eat meat? also Great! i just beg you to stop supporting the bio industry and get an honest piece of meat if you haven't allready.. better yet.. kill an animal yourself and then eat it.. see how that affects you... same with fish.. realize there are higher concentrations of toxins in fish nowadays so when you do eat fish.. bless your food even more and intend to transmute the foreign substances... the higher your fire, the more you can fully burn... what kind of internal oven do you have?
Are you a breatharian? WOW! i hope to join you soon.. i am on my way...
Sungazer? excellent! i do that myself and it reduces my need for solid foods every time!
don't need anything? WHO are you???? are you even human?
ok.. signing of now.. thank you for giving me a platform to share all this... it was brewing for weeks...
dinner is served!
Namaste...

[siggy]

I've wrestled with this one myself a few times, having been veggie for 2 periods of 4 or 5 years and then going back to eating meat again.
When I was veggie I never thought I'd ever eat meat or fish again! although I did eat eggs & dairy.

My reasons for being veggie was that I didn't think something should die to sustain me.
Then I started thinking about how far to take this, having heard about fruitarians, who only eat that which plants purposefully give up to be consumed.
So they believe that even plants don't want to die / be eaten - the proof being the ways in which plants try to stop themselves being eaten, eg. thorns, poisons, hairs, etc.
So following this logic was it alright to eat meat if the death occurred as the result of an accident, ie. roadkill?!?

Another thing which troubled me was the fact that (some) buddhist monks won't work in the fields in case they killed a worm or insect and so rely on donated food.
But then I thought, aren't they offsetting this 'bad' karma onto the farmers!?!? This didn't seem right to me, asking others to do what you're not prepared to do yourself!

So (for the moment) I now try to show respect for the things I eat & select accordingly.
I try not to eat intensively reared or processed foods - but being human I sometimes fail.
My path may lead me in new directions in the future.....

Siggy

[witchy1]

My turn. These are my random thoughts. Good thread Constance I have nothing against Vegans so long as they go the whole way and also refuse to buy or wear leather shoes, belts, handbags, coats or buy or sit in leather chairs and lounge suites or purchase leather bound books. They also should avoid buying cosmetics and products that have lecithin in them. I have found many people predominately women who claim vegan and yet rush to purchase a new feather duvet and who still eat ice cream, chocolate, cheeses yoghurt or drink baileys and have cake, use shampoo and eat sugar (see below) and take supplements like fish oil. It is my belief that they say they are vegitarian purely for weight purposes. It is (I think) a fact that vegans weigh less. (a bit of a no brainer really)

I am an unashamed meat eater. I can go days without eating meat, but then have to tuck into a nice piece of steak and I do love a juicy roast pork and crackling. Does this desire for protein come from bugs - I dont think so. It comes from my body saying it wants protein - its no different that when I want asparagus, mushrooms or beetroot, figs etc. Just my body saying what it needs to function at best.

The Gorillia is not entirely herbivore - they eat insects. Not a lot, but they do. As an aside they also have an inate fear of reptiles and caterpillars - even if born in captivitiy and never seen them. They also do not like water and rain. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountai...seyHarcourt-12

Chimpanzees will attack kill and eat small animals http://www.ivu.org/history/early/ancestors.html

Are there bugs in meat - yes - that is why it is cooked. It can make you sick if you dont cook it correctly.

What are the options for vegans then. Genetically modified soy products. (no thanks) and B12 injections (who would ever trust a pharma injection). Perhaps Dentist bills with your teeth falling out but saving on femine hygiene products

I have looked at some researh papers and no studies to date state that vegan diets are any better or worse than non vegan. there are a few "maybe's", but nothing definitive and there are a lot of studies done. So it comes down to purely preference. No one is right and no one is wrong. Perhaps a case of whatever floats your boat :-)

"Although the vegetarians believed that they as a group were healthier than nonvegetarians, the lack of differences in self-ratings of health and incidence of health problems suggest that that perception may not be true."http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3722657

"Conclusion The levels of physical activity and body mass indices of the vegetarian and semi-vegetarian women suggest they are healthier than non-vegetarians. However, the greater reports of menstrual problems and the poorer mental health of these young women may be of clinical significance." http://journals.cambridge.org/action...ine&aid=978676

Some unknown facts about animal products that vegans probably use

Plastic bags
Many plastics, including shopping bags, contain 'slip agents', which reduce the friction in the material. What are those made of? Animal fat.
Car and bike tires
Check with the manufacturer if they use animal-based stearic acid, which helps the rubber in tires hold shape under steady surface friction.
Glue in wood work and musical instruments
Animal glue (made from boiling animal connective tissue and bones) is apparently the best adhesive for fixing musical instruments made from wood such as violins and pianos.
Biofuels
Sugar cane and corn are what come to mind at first when we think about biofuels, but over the past years the use of animal fats to produce these has extended.
There's actually beef biodiesel (which Matthew called a "bone-headed idea" last year) and chicken biodiesel to choose from.
Fireworks
The same component used in the tire industry, stearic acid, is present in the production of fireworks. The book The Chemistry of Fireworks lists this as an ingredient and an article in Wikipedia explains that "in fireworks, stearic acid is often used to coat metal powders such as aluminum and iron. This prevents oxidation, allowing compositions to be stored for a longer period of time."
Fabric softener
Downy fabric softener contains dihydrogenated tallow dimethyl ammonium chloride, which comes from the cattle, sheep, and horse industry. They sure won't put that in the usual "all-so-soft" advertising.
Shampoo and conditioner
According to PETA, there are more than 20 components from animals that could be in your shampoo and conditioner. The tricky part is when you read "panthenol," "amino acids," or "vitamin B" in a bottle (just to name a few), it can be either from animal or plant source -- making it hard to tell. Companies have even removed the word "animal" from some ingredients to avoid putting off consumers.
Toothpaste
Glycerin is found in animal and vegetable fats, which have a chemical composition containing from 7 percent to 13 percent glycerin. When separated from it, it's used in a wide variety of products, including toothpaste.
White and brown sugar
Among vegetarians and vegans, it's known that purified ash from animal bones is used in filters to refine sugar by some brands, though there are other companies that use filters with granular carbon or ion exchange systems. What not all may know is that brown sugar is also refined, only to have molasses added after.
http://green.yahoo.com/blog/care2/16...gredients.html

Website for hidden animal ingredients: http://www.cyberparent.com/eat/hiddenanimalsinfood.htm
Animal ingredient list: http://www.vegfamily.com/lists/animal-ingredients.htm

Did our ancestors eat meat? I doubt always, as they didnt have the tools, and fire was needed to cook the stuff (or they would get sick) I guess the cave paintngs give it away to a degree. Just how much they ate is another story I would suggest.

Analysis suggests (PDF) that prehistoric hunter-gatherer groups, allowing for regional variation, generally received around 50% of their nutrition from animal sources (both protein and fat from land game and fish). Modern hunter-gatherer societies obtain 56-65% of their nutritional intake from fish and hunted game. http://www.marksdailyapple.com/did-g...hat-much-meat/

It does appear that there are as many arguing for as against this. The point is it is not worth arguing about because they simply dont know. The teeth argument appears to fall flat.

If the above case is true, where the vegan mother milk was insufficient for the baby I would suggest some form of meat (protein) eating was done for quite some time - perhpas like the aborigines and witchity grubs or the chimps and termites, maybe fish and birds only. Just enough to get the protein to perpetuate the species.

Thoughts over and out.

ADDIT: My DNA is just fine - I have no junk DNA

One more thing: I couldnt kill an animal for food. The fact that it comes all pre packed suits me fine. I clearly have strong dissassociative skills. I watched Dad do it once and threw up when I was a kid. I have also had the displeasure of having to go into sheep, beef, and chicken abbatoirs and watch staff/ergonomics as part of my job. Stories abound that would make you very ill. Its a wonder I'm not vegan really when you think about it.

[Snowbird]

I have been a vegetarian/borderline vegan for about two decades. I too, have a love for that cheese on pizza, but that is the only animal/fish/seafood product that I now consume. The very thought of putting dead animal flesh into my mouth, is enough to gag me. It makes no difference to me how well an animal is treated. To me eating any type of meat would be no different than killing and skinning and cooking up my fur-baby cat.

Animals are treated horrendously in general. If people really stopped to consider how animals suffer because of their appetites, there would be few to no animal farms. They simply would fold because no one would be buying their products.

[Arrowwind]

Posted by Constance Neal (here)
[Dr. Atkins died of a heart attack. What is the biggest killer of people who eat animal products? Heart attacks. There are those who defend him and say that he died of other causes, nothing to do with his animal product intake. Oh No...It couldn't possibly have been the meat!!!

I will not try to convert you. What gets me going the the misinformation. If you go around spewing this stuff you should have your facts correct.

Dr Atkins did not die from a heart attack. He died from a fall at the age of 72. He did suffer one heart attack releated to a heart infection. Here is detail info on the events surrounding his death, at least as much as is available in light of privacy issues. Upon admission to the hopsita he weighted 195 pounds, fair weight for someone his size.

People will spread untruths to support their untruths.

Do your fact checking.

http://www.snopes.com/medical/doctor/atkins.asp

http://articles.cnn.com/2003-04-17/h...u?_s=PM:HEALTH

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/...s-health_x.htm

cardiomyopathy can have absolutely nothing to do with vascular disease related to diet. It was caused by a virus. Dr Atkins circulatory system was in good shape.

I will not go about doing more fact checking for you. You need to learn how to do it yourself as you have challenged everyone else on this thread that you have the right info but will not coddle anyone with the facts as they should look into such and such on their own.

Posted by Constance Neal (here)
There is enough research that has been provided out there that disputes what most scientists preach about junk DNA so if you doubt what I am saying, do the research yourself. I am not going to re-invent the wheel here.

On the other hand, if anyone would like to contribute data here on this thread regarding the true role of junk DNA that would be most welcome.

Not willing to reinvent the wheel but willing to smack people with it... or let others do the homework.



Since you say you have the right info and time will tell, and we shall see , you already have it all!
no fact checking required I guess.

but who needs that when they allude to the idea that they are the one who knows the true nature of consciousness.

[MargueriteBee]

I know a guy who eats a twelve ounce steak every night. He is an animal, a dumb brute and heartless.

[Agape]

Ehm. You know ..my doctor once told me that healthy human adult is able to survive few years together on sugar cube a day (tried in concentration camps ) .

Not easy to believe is it . But how much do we really need to eat , is a question.

It depends a lot on your inner attitude,
for example not losing control of your emotions is essential.
That's why something you feel easy to do
when you meditate or have otherwise relaxed life style
looks different when you are among activities
and have to respond to peoples emotions as well.

I mean, that's about how much do you need daily to survive .

Not about meat eating , that's turned from survival instinct
at times with scarce vegetation resources or none available (!)
and turned to over indulgence and getting high on proteins

Are you sursprised why your generation lost many psychic abilities ?

Wars ?

What do these animal proteins do to you , yes, they feed you
and your energy system descends to their level
to be able to digest them.

If you do it long enough you turn yourself to predator
and experience animal instincts on the level
where you could experience human ones


It's a journey of discovery

it'd not have to be so painful
if people ever followed good advice

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by DevilPigeon (here)
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I've mostly been a meat eater all my life, but had a 3 year vegetarian period several years ago. Only recently have I changed my diet again, not explicitly vegetarian but largely meat-free simply by my current choices. My daily diet consists largely of pulses (chickpeas/beans/peas/sweetcorn etc) & oil (cold pressed virgin olive/Udo's Choice), with a large helping of olives thrown in too (I LOVE olives!). Sometimes I also eat tuna & oily fish (mackerel/sardines/herring). Breakfast is an oat-based supermarket mix with milk.

I have to admit to feeling more alert & less tired recently, with a sense of feeling lighter too (despite my weight LOL). My cholesterol level is also well below average (3.09 total, ratio of 2.7).

I find it easy maintaining this diet, but would find it difficult to cut out fish altogether, as well as milk. I don't even consider soya substitutes for many reasons (I don't like the taste, so it falls at the first hurdle! Never mind the other negative health issues surrounding soya). If I had a question, it would be what suggestions could anyone give for me to improve upon my current situation?

As a side point, I understand the suffering issue with animals and exploiting them for food... But doesn't that extend to plants too, from a 'total consciousness' point of view? I'm thinking for example, cutting fruit from trees etc.... This last point isn't a frivolous throwaway comment, I'm genuinely interested.

I am with you on the olives.
I just discovered them about 6 months ago.
Pitted kalamata.
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Posted by siggy (here)
I've wrestled with this one myself a few times, having been veggie for 2 periods of 4 or 5 years and then going back to eating meat again.
When I was veggie I never thought I'd ever eat meat or fish again! although I did eat eggs & dairy.

My reasons for being veggie was that I didn't think something should die to sustain me.
Then I started thinking about how far to take this, having heard about fruitarians, who only eat that which plants purposefully give up to be consumed.
So they believe that even plants don't want to die / be eaten - the proof being the ways in which plants try to stop themselves being eaten, eg. thorns, poisons, hairs, etc.
So following this logic was it alright to eat meat if the death occurred as the result of an accident, ie. roadkill?!?

Another thing which troubled me was the fact that (some) buddhist monks won't work in the fields in case they killed a worm or insect and so rely on donated food.
But then I thought, aren't they offsetting this 'bad' karma onto the farmers!?!? This didn't seem right to me, asking others to do what you're not prepared to do yourself!

So (for the moment) I now try to show respect for the things I eat & select accordingly.
I try not to eat intensively reared or processed foods - but being human I sometimes fail.
My path may lead me in new directions in the future.....

Siggy

The very fact that you struggle with the idea of what you can eat shows us all where you are at in your spiritual evolution.
Keep going the way you are going, you are on the track you are meant to be.

[RedeZra]

eating meat is just a habit

and as a habit it is tuff to turn

it takes an effort to reverse a habit


I think spirituality is not compatible with slaughterhouses

besides the fear and the passion in the animal is transferred to the eater


it's common sense to minimize meat eating if one wants to pursue a spiritual life

[Arrowwind]

Posted by Constance Neal (here)

Posted by Wiremu2011 (here)
I wonder what the indigenous cultures would have to say of this thread? And what of the Eskimo's - how would they survive as a collective in their enviroment if they didn't eat seals and, whales etc? I only recently watched a fascinating documentary on this group and saw that they needed these animals to survive in that place or they'd be extinct. What would you suggest they used as an alternative food source in those freezing elements?

Good question.

I shall sleep on it...

Goodnight all. Thanks for sharing...

Have you slept on it yet?
I am waiting to hear your answer...

and please tell us folks that live in Idaho and Montana, and Canada, Russia and Mongolia, and the Andes what we should eat
that is local, sustainable, and available year round while you are at it.... or maybe we should just move?

Or pehaps all those native peoples who have done hunting gathering lifestyles for thousands of years really have no right to exist because of their diet and their pertetual regeneration of a people who are incapable of ascension because they are pertetually screwing up their DNA?

Not only that Wiremu, cardiac disease is almost unknown to Eskimos... in spite of all that "nasty" DNA altering flesh they eat.
Their health issues started when white mans diet was put upon them.., coca cola and white bread, not to mention vaccines..and the moving into ciies with disassociation from traditional life style. Those who still do not partake in the white mans ways do very well.

[Inelia]

Posted by Constance Neal (here)

Thanks for sharing Inelia...

A couple more questions...

You said that there are some that have freewill, would you put yourself in that category?

Do you know what the true definition of enlightenment is Inelia?

Do you know what the true nature of consciousness is?

And to everyone else, My question of "Why do we eat" hasn't been answered by anyone just yet Go on, don't be shy...have a go! I won't eat you, I'm a vegan!

I just have to nick down to the shop to get myself some juicy fresh fruit and veggies but I will be back soon

1. I said we have free will in proportion to our state of wakefulness. In that sense, I have more than the sleeping person. However, it is important to note that in order to exist in the 3D, a being cannot be fully awake, and he/she does give up some free will in order to be here. Otherwise we would be omnipotent, something which is not part of this level of the game.

Your questions 2. and 3. assume there is only ONE answer to each. In which case I cannot answer them because, according to my reality, there are thousands of answers to them. And they are not mutually exclusive in their correctness. It is very much asking someone to describe the colour Blue. Each person will have a description, but no one can prove that their experience, what they see in their minds, as the colour blue, is exactly the same as another person on the planet. All we can do is agree that what we are looking at, we all call Blue.

You have obviously been to my website, so you know what my particular views on the above are, which then makes me wonder why you asked them.

Why do we eat? Because it is the most basic form of nurishment on the planet, and has been promoted as the only one in order to keep beings dependent. Now, if that answer doesn't agree with yours, it doesn't make yours wrong, it simply makes it different.

Posted by Constance Neal (here)

Okay. So if we are completely independent to the "big being"(are you talking about the creator here? I am assuming you are) Then what is it that keeps your heartbeating and your hair growing and your liver functioning? Your own divine Will?

No, not the creator as an external being. The "big being" is the sentient being who used your body to type these posts. In this view, we are absolutely not independent from the "big being" as the creator. Ultimately, yes, it is divine will that keeps us alive. Our will.

As a side note, your way of questioning, and answering is very conflicting, as in, it has the energy of conflict behind it. Using words such as "false", "true", "only way", are what the main religions, governments and elite use to divide and create conflict among the population. I completely honour the fact that you have found a information/wisdom that works for you and that you have decided to back and promote.

Can I ask you, are your questions to me, and your use of my article, not really in the spirit of dialogue, but of confrontation? Are your questions to me genuinely written to find out and perhaps consider as possible what I have to say, or simply to "prove me wrong" because what I say is, in your mind, is in conflict to what you believe and therefore would make you "wrong" if you agreed with it? If this is the case, then I desist. I can dialogue for hours, but for me to argue, is a waste of time as I do not consider your truth as "wrong" or in any way conflicting or mutually exclusive to "mine". You are, after all, another expression of ME.

[Peace of Mind]

I’m almost positive that humans (and other animals) were faced with a extinction in the past and had to adapt because much of the worlds vegetation has been lost to global catastrophes. I’m thinking this is how savagery and cannibalism started and continued to drop the planets vibrations. I also think some animals not only evolved into flesh eaters but some were even grafted (made in labs). In much of Egyptology and Greek Mythology there are pictures of creatures with the features of human and animals on the same body….some creatures look like 3 or more animals mixed in one. So I think there were Hugh changes in our planet, biology and thinking. We have become accustomed to killing the weak for the sole purpose of prospering the human race. I want no part of that movement. The irony of it all is most meat eaters are afraid (due to consuming death/fear) and they will defend their right to kill those they can…and beg for help from aliens or angels. Wow

Humans basically eat meat because the crooked FDA tells them to. I don’t believe (I know) all indigenous were not meat eaters. I think this perception came from the TV/Movies and what was told to them by His-story and governments. Most humans forgot that they are intelligent enough to find substitutes for every thing that’s in meat. This is what separates our intellect from most other species here. I’ve seen no real reason for meat consumption…just plenty of excuses, lazyniness in finding the alternatives, and a lack of respect for other animals and their rights to life. Live off the land; eat what the Earth has grown for you in many of its vegetation. There is a clear give and take relationship when it comes to plants and animals. Animals give plants/trees waste and carbon in return for oxygen/ food and natural medicine. Animals clearly show you they don’t want to be harm or eaten. Plants/trees give away their fruits, and seeds and re grows them. None of the vegetation I’ve consumed has ever resisted or evolved any defenses….even though they appeared to have been here longer than humans. Animals develop defenses through migrations, disease, and physical tactics. I’m not naive enough to ignore life and the differences in its behavior.

Peace

[Solphilos]

Posted by MargueriteBee (here)
I know a guy who eats a twelve ounce steak every night. He is an animal, a dumb brute and heartless.

That speaks volumes about the rest of us with meat in our diets doesn't it.


The ignorance displayed by the vast majority of members in this community is ridiculous yet amusing to behold, considering that most hold themselves and this website in high regard as some sort of temple of truth, when in fact is is precisely the opposite. It is threads like this where the pompous masses make themselves heard so that all may hear why they are spiritually superior than everyone else because of their new age delusions.
If this place was in an accurate representative of human spiritual development, I'd be lighting a candle in mourning of our ill-fated species as most here are leaving behind wisdom and understanding in favor of shadows.

No worries though, we all have our roles to play and the antagonists are just as necessary as those who work for growth. There are those who are a part of a long lineage whom carry the torch of wisdom into the new era, and guess what............. most of us are omnivorous.

[Agape]

Posted by Solphilos (here)

Posted by MargueriteBee (here)
I know a guy who eats a twelve ounce steak every night. He is an animal, a dumb brute and heartless.

That speaks volumes about the rest of us with meat in our diets doesn't it.


The ignorance displayed by the vast majority of members in this community is ridiculous yet amusing to behold, considering that most hold themselves and this website in high regard as some sort of temple of truth, when in fact is is precisely the opposite. It is threads like this where the pompous masses make themselves heard so that all may hear why they are spiritually superior than everyone else because of their new age delusions.
If this place was in an accurate representative of human spiritual development, I'd be lighting a candle in mourning of our ill-fated species as most here are leaving behind wisdom and understanding in favor of shadows.

No worries though, we all have our roles to play and the antagonists are just as necessary as those who work for growth. There are those who are a part of a long lineage whom carry the torch of wisdom into the new era, and guess what............. most of us are omnivorous.

So true ...we have multitudes of excellent scientists, doctors and politicians who never mind what do they have on their plates
and how did it get there .

They'd not kill a fly would they
but they send armies to their wars

and make sure their food comes from the ecological farm
which turned to be the most expensive locality
on earth recently because all else is polluted.


They don't think about what they eat because no one has taught them the right thing

so if there's a debt from our faraway ancestors is it necessary to continue in their steps

or perhaps, something else is required from us ?

[DevilPigeon]

Posted by MargueriteBee (here)
I know a guy who eats a twelve ounce steak every night. He is an animal, a dumb brute and heartless.

I know a guy who plays golf. He's one of the nicest blokes I know, very down-to-earth.

[greybeard]

Im virtually vegetarian once or twice a year I meat.
Dont know why.
My mother said dont eat anything you are not prepared to kill.
Im not prepared to kill.
I bless thefood and thank the animal.
I always bless food.

A friend who is meat eater pointed out that if it wasn't for the beef burger etc millions of cow would never experience life on this planet.

As for affecting the body my thought is that fear causes adrenaline (not good for the body) and if the cow sensed death and was in fear that would affect the meat adversely.

One vegan I know is very highly strung with a temper to match ---
so Im neutral but as said I am not attracted to meat but rarely.

Chris

[Arrowwind]

Posted by Peace of Mind (here)
I’ The irony of it all is most meat eaters are afraid (due to consuming death/fear) and they will defend their right to kill those they can…and beg for help from aliens or angels. Wow

Humans basically eat meat because the crooked FDA tells them to. I don’t believe (I know) all indigenous were not meat eaters. I think this perception came from the TV/Movies and what was told to them by His-story and governments. Peace

Hmmmm, was the FDA controlling all the native peoples of North America, Canada and China over the last 10,000 years. How about Africa?

What would you suggest that these hunterers/gathers eat in the dead of winter? And what would you suggest that they wear for clothing over a 10,000 year life span of their peoples?

Please provide for me links to information about indigenous peoples who do not eat meat that do not live in a year round warm climate before agriculture was developed?
Seriously.. you need to defend your statements. You say you know for sure. Please educate me. Then after you provide the links explain how these people might sustain themselves in lets say, upstate New York or Canada.
For that matter provide one link to current peoples living in a cohesive society that eat only plants that do not depend on shipping of food and refrigeration over long distances.... I would be very interested in reading these links.. I have looked myself but didnt find anything but maybe I am looking in the wrong place?

[Chicodoodoo]

Posted by Solphilos (here)
The ignorance displayed by the vast majority of members in this community is ridiculous yet amusing to behold, considering that most hold themselves and this website in high regard as some sort of temple of truth, when in fact is is precisely the opposite. It is threads like this where the pompous masses make themselves heard so that all may hear why they are spiritually superior than everyone else because of their new age delusions.

I have to salute Solphilos, because this is the most accurate statement in this entire thread. How do I "know"? Because I myself am ignorant, and I can see myself and all of you in the mirror that Solphilos holds up for us to gaze into.

Yesterday, I stumbled across the "Silent Thread". How incredibly absurd, I thought. And yet, this thread seems to be its exact opposite, full of noise, and I can't help thinking -- how incredibly absurd.

Nevertheless, I also salute Constance and everyone else that has commented. We are all trying to find the truth, that much is crystal clear. Evidently, the truth is very elusive, because one person's truth is another person's absurdity.