Eating animal products will shut down your dna

[Arrowwind]

Posted by Agape (here)

So true ...we have multitudes of excellent scientists, doctors and politicians who never mind what do they have on their plates
and how did it get there .

They'd not kill a fly would they
but they send armies to their wars

Oh Please! there are many many people who eat meat that protest war,
work in science, medicine, and dedicate their lives to serving others and promoting peace.
Do we need to make a list?

I would start with Dr Helen Caldicot
http://www.helencaldicott.com/about.htm

and Martin Luther King

if eating meat so deteroriated the spirit and dna how do we ever manage to have people like this?
after all these thousands of years of meat eating?
are they a genetic anomalie?

Im sure this list of people who understand and strive for peace would be many many millions long.
In fact there is a list of organizations from around the world that are commited to sustainability., nonviolence and all levels of peace.
the list is actually a million long. I suspect that only a tiny fraction of the people who participate in these organizations are vegetarian.
Actually this list was presented in a video I came across on this site the first time I saw it.
I wish I could find it again. It was presented to me again in a lecture I attended last week in Mexico. They had it running in the backround of the lecture on a screen.. it went on and on and on and on and on and on and on. a list of organizations with members, so not just the names of individual people who are dedicated to various aspects of the peace and sustainability movement.

Having eaten meat most of my life
I have actively worked for peace actively. My children eat meat
and they refuse to participate in the military industrial complex
on moral grounds

My mother ate meat and she abhored war.
My husband eats meat and he is the most gentle man one could ever meet,
who never raises a voice or a hand and turns away from aggression, always seeking
other means to resolution

I think such comments are really tiresome and they reflect badly
on those who make them, creating separation and alienation.
One could be acknowledging all those who work for peace instead
and seeing them as spiritual being endeavoring to evolve the world.
Dam few of them are vegetarians.

after all, Aldoph Hitler was a vegetarian..
it means nothing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_H..._vegetarianism

[blake]

Hello Constance,

Although an interesting thread, I get the same feeling of frustration from reading many of your posts as I do with others who share some of the story, but not all of the story for whatever reason. It is almost like we are back to the “forbidden knowledge” game. I do wish if you have something to say, that you would just say it, instead of badgering Enelia.

"Why do we eat?" How many times have you asked that question in this post, Constance? And yet you don't answer it, but you seem to imply YOU HAVE THE ANSWER, the one and only correct answer, no less! Will you ever get to the punch line?

On this thread you seem to present yourself as the expert. Are you? For if you are , you have only shared your opinions, and not shared one concrete fact on this topic other than hearsay. This is an interesting discussion with interesting views, But it is almost like you are teasing the readers with your incomplete answers, and testing questions. It is almost like you have taken on the role of teacher instead of just sharing. Again, I ask, do you have the definitive answer here or are you just sharing your viewpoint? You seem to imply that you see the whole picture while other don't.

So what is your diet like? And why do you eat, Constance?

I eat mainly because I enjoy my physical senses. I do want to enjoy all that earth has to offer while I partake in this experiment,in a moral way of course! But my morals may be different than yours! I do love indulging myself in moist, home made lemon, yellow cake, with chocolate fudge frosting, and chocolate raspberry filling. And one thing I know for sure, whenever I have a slice, my spiritual work sure does improve…………….whoops better eat a slice now!

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis
4/11/11

[Inelia]

Posted by blake (here)
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I eat mainly because I enjoy my physical senses. I do want to enjoy all that earth has to offer while I partake in this experiment,in a moral way of course! But my morals may be different than yours! I do love indulging myself in moist, home made lemon, yellow cake, with chocolate fudge frosting, and chocolate raspberry filling. And one thing I know for sure, whenever I have a slice, my spiritual work sure does improve…………….whoops better eat a slice now!

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis
4/11/11

This is actually the only reason I have not embraced other types of nourishment fully. Can I have a slice too please?

[Arrowwind]

Posted by blake (here)
I eat mainly because I enjoy my physical senses. I do want to enjoy all that earth has to offer while I partake in this experiment,in a moral way of course! But my morals may be different than yours! I do love indulging myself in moist, home made lemon, yellow cake, with chocolate fudge frosting, and chocolate raspberry filling. And one thing I know for sure, whenever I have a slice, my spiritual work sure does improve…………….whoops better eat a slice now!

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis
4/11/11

Good to hear from you again, Mr Davis... and as usual, spot on... regarding all of your post, not just the fun part I quoted

[bilko]

Hi constance,
Firstly i would like to thank you for this thread, i think i agree with most of it.
What is your view on using animal products for clothing, ie shoes, and coats etc? i am talking cold weather items here not fashion items like fur coats although the inuit certainly owe their lives in part to fur coats. However, that is a slightly different issue i think. I am half way through reading ' Anastasia - the ringing cedars ' book 1 and she doesn't wear any clothes but it seems that nature warms her.
I wish i wasn't such a junkie when it comes to food. Worse still i know all about nutrition from a raw vegan diet ( as much as i need to ) from watching hundreds of 'The liferenerater ' videos on youtube by Dan the man, my main man.

[bearcow]

Posted by DevilPigeon (here)

Posted by MargueriteBee (here)
I know a guy who eats a twelve ounce steak every night. He is an animal, a dumb brute and heartless.

I know a guy who plays golf. He's one of the nicest blokes I know, very down-to-earth.

Maybe playing golf will speed up your DNA!

No need to reply only kidding

Regarding should one eat/not eat meat, one of the high level masters i studied with in china is a vegetarian. It was somewhat necessary for him to do certain practices. However, he told most people who study with him to eat meat, and to make sure they eat enough, ie don't fast or do practices that require the body to be deprived of the nourishment it needs to sustain basic bodily functions. Nourish your body with the food it functions best on, refine the energy from the food into a higher state of matter by living your dharma.

[Mikez]

Isn't breast milk also an animal product, sorry, couldn't resist!

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Solphilos (here)

Posted by MargueriteBee (here)
I know a guy who eats a twelve ounce steak every night. He is an animal, a dumb brute and heartless.

That speaks volumes about the rest of us with meat in our diets doesn't it.


The ignorance displayed by the vast majority of members in this community is ridiculous yet amusing to behold, considering that most hold themselves and this website in high regard as some sort of temple of truth, when in fact is is precisely the opposite. It is threads like this where the pompous masses make themselves heard so that all may hear why they are spiritually superior than everyone else because of their new age delusions.
If this place was in an accurate representative of human spiritual development, I'd be lighting a candle in mourning of our ill-fated species as most here are leaving behind wisdom and understanding in favor of shadows.

No worries though, we all have our roles to play and the antagonists are just as necessary as those who work for growth. There are those who are a part of a long lineage whom carry the torch of wisdom into the new era, and guess what............. most of us are omnivorous.

Talking about ego, your post is full of it.
I don't know if Constance and the others are correct or not, but I know you aren't.
Not much wisdom and understanding in your post.

There seems to be a lot of people feeling defensive posting in this thread.
Why do you feel like that?

[Peace of Mind]

Hmmmm, was the FDA controlling all the native peoples of North America, Canada and China over the last 10,000 years. How about Africa?

Hi, Arrowind,
Good questions. But, do you know or have facts of what happen in the last 10,000 years? I’m not talking about information coming from controlled learning institutes.

What would you suggest that these hunterers/gathers eat in the dead of winter? They eat what they harvested in the warmer months, and, what’s wrong with going naked? Every other creature on this planet is doing it. Besides, we can make clothes from plants like the one they call “Hemp”… Which happens to be banned in some parts of the globe? How anyone can have the power to ban a plant still baffles me.

Please provide for me links to information about indigenous peoples who do not eat meat that do not live in a year round warm climate before agriculture was developed? Most indigenous (today) are oppressed and find themselves living in scavenger conditions. They are not the same as the indigenous of the old. The teachings in Hindu and the ways of the ancient Hebrews shed light on this subject (I’m neither Hindu nor Hebrew, btw). And, judging how some religions express fasting and refusing to eat meat on certain days just further tells me that flesh eating is not a necessity for survival, it also shows me just how much change was made in many of the religious scriptures people follow today.

You are not always going to find a link for everything on the net. DARPA owns the net and will only allow certain sites/ information to exist on it. It’s mainly a tool to further dumb down the masses. But, many seem to think it's the other way around. Why? I don't know...

Seriously.. you need to defend your statements. You say you know for sure. Please educate me. Then after you provide the links explain how these people might sustain themselves in lets say, upstate New York or Canada.
They don’t have to live in those climates; they can easily migrate just like the birds do, but since they’ve become accustomed to flesh eating the need for travel is unimportant to them.

For that matter provide one link to current peoples living in a cohesive society that eat only plants that do not depend on shipping of food and refrigeration over long distances.... I would be very interested in reading these links... I have looked myself but didnt find anything but maybe I am looking in the wrong place?

The wrong places is an understatement. Current society has to have the will and courage to make the change back to their roots. Most of us were born into urban jungles and have no knowledge whatsoever on how to farm/garden. They barely even notice the few trees lining the concrete blocks they live on. People today are way too dependant on their governments, They are very much detach from nature and don’t even know it.

Peace

[Rocky_Shorz]

all bunk...

enlightenment has nothing to do with the foods you eat, or I'd be lighting candles...

[Rocky_Shorz]

I'll give you a hint, what do sheep eat?

[Mikez]

Posted by Icecold (here)
Baboon: Diet

Largely vegetarian....

Baboons are opportunistic omnivores and selective feeders that carefully choose their food. Grass makes up a large part of their diet, along with berries, seeds, pods, blossoms, leaves, roots, bark and sap from a variety of plants. Baboons also eat insects and small quantities of meat, such as fish, shellfish, hares, birds, vervet monkeys and young, small antelopes.




Just because we have rudimentary fangs does not mean we HAVE to eat meat.

Millions of humans thrive on a vegetarian diet...its a fact.

The cruelty and non-violence issue nails it.

Just a thought.....

The prime motivation, survival, includes ability to defend oneself. Most animals with fangs fight with their teeth and it could be the fangs evolved for that reason alone. It might be unrelated to diet?

[Arrowwind]

Posted by bearcow (here)
[ refine the energy from the food into a higher state of matter by living your dharma.

This is exactly it. Your teacher is a very wise man...and many millions do this around the world, and more everyday as this planet procedes into awakening.

[noprophet]

A theosophical approach to eating meat by Annie Besant (1913):

Now, the first line of argument to which I am going to ask your attention regarding vegetarianism in the
light of Theosophy, is this: Theosophy regards man as part of a great line of evolution; it regards man's
place in the world as a link in a mighty chain, a chain which has its first link in manifestation in the divine
life itself, which comes down, link after link, through great hierarchies or classes of evolving spiritual
intelligences, which, coming downwards in this fashion from its divine origin through spiritual entities,
then involves itself in the manifestation that we know as our own world; that this world, which is but the
expression of the divine thought, is penetrated through and through with this divine life; that everything
that we call law is the expression of this divine nature; that all study of manifestation of law is the study of
this divine mind in nature; so that the world is to be looked on, not as essentially matter and force, as
from the standpoint of materialistic science, but essentially as life and consciousness involving itself for
purposes of manifestation in that which we recognise as matter and as force...

Full Article Here

[Agape]

Posted by Arrowwind (here)

Posted by Agape (here)

So true ...we have multitudes of excellent scientists, doctors and politicians who never mind what do they have on their plates
and how did it get there .

They'd not kill a fly would they
but they send armies to their wars

Oh Please! there are many many people who eat meat that protest war,
work in science, medicine, and dedicate their lives to serving others and promoting peace.
Do we need to make a list?

I would start with Dr Helen Caldicot
http://www.helencaldicott.com/about.htm

and Martin Luther King

if eating meat so deteroriated the spirit and dna how do we ever manage to have people like this?
after all these thousands of years of meat eating?
are they a genetic anomalie?

Im sure this list of people who understand and strive for peace would be many many millions long.
In fact there is a list of organizations from around the world that are commited to sustainability., nonviolence and all levels of peace.
the list is actually a million long. I suspect that only a tiny fraction of the people who participate in these organizations are vegetarian.
Actually this list was presented in a video I came across on this site the first time I saw it.
I wish I could find it again. It was presented to me again in a lecture I attended last week in Mexico. They had it running in the backround of the lecture on a screen.. it went on and on and on and on and on and on and on. a list of organizations with members, so not just the names of individual people who are dedicated to various aspects of the peace and sustainability movement.

Having eaten meat most of my life
I have actively worked for peace actively. My children eat meat
and they refuse to participate in the military industrial complex
on moral grounds

My mother ate meat and she abhored war.
My husband eats meat and he is the most gentle man one could ever meet,
who never raises a voice or a hand and turns away from aggression, always seeking
other means to resolution

I think such comments are really tiresome and they reflect badly
on those who make them, creating separation and alienation.
One could be acknowledging all those who work for peace instead
and seeing them as spiritual being endeavoring to evolve the world.
Dam few of them are vegetarians.

after all, Aldoph Hitler was a vegetarian..
it means nothing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_H..._vegetarianism

Please, kindly realize one thing again, that we don't want to be moving in the same circles, fight the same wars, till the end of our days..

I think, most of us don't ( 'most of us' is a matter of speech isn't it..)


Btw this is what Wiki quotes on Adolph :

In addition to being a teetotaler and a non-smoker,[1] Adolf Hitler is often said to have practiced some form of vegetarianism.[2] It has been theorized that Hitler's diet may have been based on Richard Wagner's historical theories[3] which connected the future of Germany with vegetarianism.[4] Hitler believed that a vegetarian diet could both alleviate personal health problems and bring about a spiritual regeneration.


They do not say he was a vegetarian. I think, most of us ...( well anyway ) ..would agree Adolph was crack. If someone has really serious issues of that sort,
vegetarianism itself ..can not change it. It's the willingness to accept non-violence that would change it.


If we're born among wolves, grow up with wolves, are taught their ways, sure, we may become anything from 'the right people' to great freedom fighters to saints.

Have you ever heard about wolves turning vegetarian ?


Personally, I didn't.


Humans seem to have a choice ..

[NancyV]

Jendayi, absolutely excellent and well balanced post! Thanks so much for sharing your perspectives. I couldn't find anything to disagree with which is almost disappointing since I do so love a good disagreement! LOL

Posted by Jendayi (here)
some of us eat meat, others don't... i have personally met vegans who were quite nasty and abusive.. and i have met meat-eaters who were the some of the nicest people i have ever known..
and vice versa.. the universe is full of the most diverse forms of life... i respect this diversity to the highest degree.. we each have different paths, but our final destination is the same for all of us.....

No kidding!! Even on other dimensions you can meet some really nasty disembodied spirits who try to eat your energy, AND beings of immense love and light who share energy. Both are equally valid and valuable expressions of the creation.

Posted by Jendayi (here)
...i do wish to share some perspectives..
what if... meat has been reduced to crap by TPTW to take away our "fire"?
what if... vegetarianism is promoted to turn us into "treehugging" peace wishers who will no longer stand up and fight for what's right.. and i mean really fight...
what if... the new age movement and 2012 is a carrot (lord sidious?) and that the "all is going as it should" conditioning is to keep us at bay and complacent?
what if... we are told to "go inside" so we get detached from what is going on outside?
what if... we are all ready ascended... but that we are still operating under 3d parameters? again.. i could go on...

my point is.. that it does not matter.. all ways of being have a right to exist... trying to convince another of your way is actually slowing you down...

Vegetarianism tends to emasculate men, especially if soy is a large part of the diet. A bunch of Girlie-men (as Arnold calls them) would be a desirable scenario for TPTB. I can also personally attest that going inside and leaving the body detached me more from this world. In fact this is one of the main goals of many spiritual paths as it was in mine. I made a conscious choice to stop being detached from the world and to participate. After all, I'm here for a reason and it isn't to sit around in a lotus position chanting a mantra while Rome burns.

Sharing your way is different from trying to convince another of your way. One is not detached if they have a need to change others. But of course it is their choice to believe they have found "THE" way. I have found "THE WAY", the ONE and ONLY way so many times I have lost count. It feels so good to know that YOU know the ultimate truth!! At least it has provided me a lot of entertainment and I find myself to be quite amusing in my many follies.

"what if we are already ascended?"
SHHhhhhhh!!!! You don't want to let people know the ultimate secret before they're ready for it! LOL...

Posted by Jendayi (here)
IMHO it does not matter what you do, eat, drink, think or expose yourselves to.. what matters is how you do it. consciousness stands at the base of any physical experience.. since we are both the creator and the created we can use and apply any thing, thought, form or energy that exists in this creation to experience ourselves.. we can even identify useful traits in other lifeforms and copy them into our own being, energetically through the power of intent..

all ways of being have a right to exist.. they are illusions anyway so why make such a fuss out of it? we all wake up in different stages in our lives, we are triggered by very different catalysts, we all enter paradise in our own time and through our own door...

I guess we humans love making a fuss and we're so good at it... and so convincing...and so FUNNY!

We do have the power to transmute or to transcend the influence of any poisons or parasites that enter our bodies. We don't often utilize these powers.. either because we haven't yet remembered how to do it or because we choose to live as a normal human being while on this earth...or any number of other reasons. We can also transcend any DNA manipulation or damage, but I do not find it credible that eating animal products "will shut down your dna".

Much of our world is poisoned right now but ultimately it's a very small part of the game... Since we are the Creator and the created we have created this scenario. It will be interesting to see different solutions and perspectives in the ongoing mock battle... and how it all plays out.

Nancy

[Arrowwind]

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
I'll give you a hint, what do sheep eat?

yes, and their DNA promotes herd mentality... therefor eating vegetarian promotes herd mentaltiy..

hey, just using the kind of logic and science of observation I am finding here....

[Jendayi]

Posted by Arrowwind (here)

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
I'll give you a hint, what do sheep eat?

yes, and their DNA promotes herd mentality... therefor eating vegetarian promotes herd mentaltiy..

hey, just using the kind of logic and science of observation I am finding here....

haha.. that made me chuckle... thank you...

[noprophet]

Vegetarianism tends to emasculate men, especially if soy is a large part of the diet. A bunch of Girlie-men (as Arnold calls them) would be a desirable scenario for TPTB.

I can't say i disagree on anything you said and am very much an advocate of the multi-path chaos in order theory. It's important to note some are heading down and up but in the end it's just circles.

However you're asking for trouble with this statement.

You know that though.

[Moonwish]

Hi Everyone;
This is my first post though I am a long time lurker / observer on Avalon Forum.
I find all sides of this question interesting and wonder if many of you have heard of the books The Paleo-Diet (Loren Cordain), The Paleo Solution (Robb Wolf), or The Primal Blueprint (Mark Sisson—also an interesting website at Mark’s Daily Apple.com) Primal diet protocols? (don’t know how to embed yet)

Essentially, their premise is that we evolved as omnivores and did not eat agricultural products until quite recently in our history. The metaphor used by one author (Wolf I think) says if human history is a 100 yard football field, agricultural products have only been used by humans for the last yard or so, hence, we are not biologically equipped to deal with grains, legumes, & dairy products.

Low protein / low carbs (i.e. meat, fish, low glycemic (sic?) vegetables) in their view are the “natural diet” of humans and eating a “modern diet” heavy in cultivated grains, legumes, breads, sugar, etc. lead to insulin resistance, intestinal damage, and ill health.

Also, saturated fats in their view are good for you and it is very important to achieve a balance of Omega 3 & 6 acids in meat consumed—commercial meat is fed grain, hence it is over biased to Omega 6.

I found the studies in Wolf’s book particularly compelling as many were from peer-reviewed journals and thus scientifically valid, at least so far as any such study can be free from bias and hidden agendas.

I decided to try it for myself, and have been eating meats, fish, fish oil, lots of salads and other vegetables for about eight weeks now. I have to admit, my results have been excellent.
I feel better, digest better, sleep better and have more energy for the day. Without portion control
or “dieting” (which I am very much opposed to) I have effortlessly dropped nearly 17 pounds and feel as though I’ve dropped 10 years of “sitting at my desk” aging.

I agree, however, with Constance and others that inhumane factory farming is not an ethical way to procure meat. The sources I’ve mentioned all strongly recommend only wild-caught and grass fed / finished humanely raised animals. Yet we are physical beings, sharing the planet with other physical beings including both plants and animals. As a passionate gardener, I must say that I know plants can both feel and respond to stimulus.

I don’t agree that plants are any different than animals in this respect. So we have a conundrum of consumption to continue to consider (sorry for alliteration—I’m a linguist)

At what level of sentience do we draw the line?