Eating animal products will shut down your dna

[Arrowwind]

Posted by Peace of Mind (here)
Hi, Arrowind,
Good questions. But, do you know or have facts of what happen in the last 10,000 years? I’m not talking about information coming from controlled learning institutes.

I have learned directly from native american elders who have passed down their knowledge in an oral tradition, not controlled institues.

What would you suggest that these hunterers/gathers eat in the dead of winter?

agriculture was only minimally developed on Turtle Island when the white man evolved. Are you suggesting that a tribe in northern Vancouver should have been migrating to Mexico or Florida? Should people there only eat vegetables that have to be shipped in via trucks and refrigeration? Nuts that will not grow in a zone 4 climate? soy that is damaging to the hormonal system? Rice that does not grow in Canada? Perhaps we should just move all the people out of Canada and put them in Florida and California where they can have a sustainable diet.

For most of the world a vegetarian diet is not locally sustainable...

Posted by Peace of Mind (here)
They eat what they harvested in the warmer months, and, what’s wrong with going naked? Every other creature on this planet is doing it. Besides, we can make clothes from plants like the one they call “Hemp”… Which happens to be banned in some parts of the globe? How anyone can have the power to ban a plant still baffles me.

\ We can make clothing from hemp if the law permitted but hemp was not a significant part of indigenous culture on Turtle Island.. Pretty dam hard going naked when its 5 below zero, Id say. This is true for much of North America and northern Europe and northern China and the mountain regions of south america. Id say that if you think people should go naked in such climates I say you go first. The sustainable solution is to use animal skins. Hemp could work. Cotton over utilizes water, and chemicals.

Posted by Peace of Mind (here)
Most indigenous (today) are oppressed and find themselves living in scavenger conditions. They are not the same as the indigenous of the old. The teachings in Hindu and the ways of the ancient Hebrews shed light on this subject (I’m neither Hindu nor Hebrew, btw). And, judging how some religions express fasting and refusing to eat meat on certain days just further tells me that flesh eating is not a necessity for survival, it also shows me just how much change was made in many of the religious scriptures people follow today.

I am specifically refering to peoples of the Turtle Island. They are the same people of the old, under the influences of a non tradtional life style and diet. If the thesis is to be correct it must be correct for all peoples on every continent. the thesis is that eating meat damages the dna and can prevent ascension.
India is a continent that developed agrculture way before the peoples of Turtle Island. Flesh eating is not necessariy for survival if you have access to other foods of good protien quality. It requires agracultural cultures to do this. This was not availble to most of the world in the fourth world (as told by Hopi) until quite recently... Europe and the middle east and southern China being the leaders in agraculture.

Posted by Peace of Mind (here)
You are not always going to find a link for everything on the net. DARPA owns the net and will only allow certain sites/ information to exist on it. It’s mainly a tool to further dumb down the masses. But, many seem to think it's the other way around. Why? I don't know...

there is much valuable information on the net. I whole heartedly disagree. Some of the most radical stuff anyone could think of is on the net, some true, some false.. many sites with alternative insightes to archeology, timelines, and the evolution of humanity. I dont save these links but have read on them.. again , I have sought much of my education from tradtional elders of Turtle Island who hold the ancient teachings. They see the white mans ways and their diet as the cause of great distress.. flour, too much carbs... not honoring mother earth... nor the spirit of the animals... tearing at the mothers flesh to create food that does not sustain the spirit and destroying her ecology in the process by creating all the factories necessary to make the whole thing go.

It is natural that agraculture developed in India, with its warm climate and being close, relatively to the mediteranian where its developement started.. mesopotamia (sp?) was it not? at least in this fourth world?

Posted by Peace of Mind (here)
They don’t have to live in those climates; they can easily migrate just like the birds do, but since they’ve become accustomed to flesh eating the need for travel is unimportant to them.

the fact of the matter is that migrations ranged in a few hundred miles, not thousands in the old days.. To take a tribe and migrate 1000 miles to warm climate would be their demise. Yes, migrating to be vegetarian is unimportant to them. They were sustaining and thriving without. This whole thread insinuates that these people cannot advance their dna.. and infact have damaged their dna from eating meat. I absolutely protest this idea.


For that matter provide one link to current peoples living in a cohesive society that eat only plants that do not depend on shipping of food and refrigeration over long distances.... I would be very interested in reading these links... I have looked myself but didnt find anything but maybe I am looking in the wrong place?

Posted by Peace of Mind (here)
The wrong places is an understatement. Current society has to have the will and courage to make the change back to their roots. Most of us were born into urban jungles and have no knowledge whatsoever on how to farm/garden. They barely even notice the few trees lining the concrete blocks they live on. People today are way too dependant on their governments, They are very much detach from nature and don’t even know it.

Back to their roots is a sustainable culture. back to their roots is hunting and gathering, Organic gardening where possible, for the vast majority within this the fourth world. I cannot speak for the 3rd world before this, that would likely take us back to Atlanian times. Halting shipping and refrigeration across the planet would be required would be back to roots.

I am talking about traditional peoples pre white man invasion, that ate vegetarian..where are records of these people? I can find only the most minimal information on such cultures, really, anywhere on the planet, except for maybe parts, and only parts of India. If vegetarian is requried for evolution then are we to say the indigenous peoples of Turtle Island and Australia cannot evolve? Are we saying that people of India are more evolved? Are we to base ones spiritual evolution on what they eat?
That their DNA is perpetually damaged? therefor an inferior race? and if inferior inferior to whom? those that eat flour and corn? and and rice? and who ship produce all over the world with great expense to the mother earth?

I will remind you that Aldoph Hitler was a vegetarian.

If you really want to talk about damaging DNA lets talk about excessive alcohol and drugs. People get addicted to the sugar of carbs, not the protiens in meat.

[blufire]

I could approach this topic from the standpoint of an organic vegetable farmer.

I could approach this topic from the standpoint of an organic and natural meat producer who also butchers and eats the animals I raise.

I could approach this topic from the standpoint of a practicing clinical medicinal herbalist

I could approach this topic from the standpoint of the research and free-lance articles I have written on plants being sentient life forms.

But . . . . .

I am choosing to approach this topic from the standpoint of having been, in the past, the wife of an evangelical preacher for sixteen years and a member of a very legalistic, dogmatic Christian church for twenty-five years.

I chose this standpoint because of your ( Constance Neil’s) dogmatic and legalistic belief that eating meat will shut down our DNA and that because of this, humans will not be able to ascend or become more spiritual or have a higher conscious. You have a very strong dogmatic and legalistic belief that all human should eat only a “pure” organic vegetarian and even more so vegan diet.

By this belief you are condemning several billion people.

Logically there are a very slight amount of people in the world that are able to have this type of diet (vegan/vegetarian). Many millions are lucky to have any food at all, let alone organic or fresh fruits and vegetables. Many millions or billions have no other alternative than to eat meat because of where they live logistically and climate and seasonal limitations.

Not to mention that if this information you have that only being a vegan is going to save our souls or DNA is correct . . . . how are the 6.9 billion people of the world to know this????? How are they to get this “enlightened” information??? How are they to save themselves or DNA??

So am I to believe that only a very minimal select few are by your definition are going to ascend to a higher consciousness or spiritual level or have a “better” “holier” DNA????

This type of narrow- minded legalistic dogma reminds me EXACTLY of when I was a part of organized religion.

In the church I was a part of (and my husband preached) and many other Christian evangelical churches it is hammered into our heads that we must “convert the world” to that churches religious beliefs and dogma. That if the people of the world don’t have that same belief they are going to hell and their souls are forever damned. And even more . . . .if the members of those churches don’t go out to evangelize and convert people to that belief . . . well they are going to hell to and minimally not be very good Christians or not have high spiritual position.

I always would run the same mantra over and over in my mind and soul. "This can’t be true because why would God condemn billions of people to hell just because one of us “more special enlightened Christians” just didn’t happen to make it to their part of their world and was unable to successfully convert them to this “belief”.

You know. . . .I really thought that when I left organized religion and began studying and researching “alternative” beliefs and truths that somehow I left all that hurtful dangerous dogma behind.

Then I remind myself . . . .we are ALL very fallible human beings . . . . no matter where we live, how we eat, what we believe and where our souls journeys are taking us.

Grace and Patience and most of all Love ......................

[John Parslow]

Hello NancyV

Vegetarianism tends to emasculate men, especially if soy is a large part of the diet. A bunch of Girlie-men (as Arnold calls them) would be a desirable scenario for TPTB.

As a long term vegetarian and a father of three, I really have to take issue with your statement above - do you have any evidence for this?

Best regards. JP

[shiva777]

simply ask yourself...am I stubbornly sticking to my meat diet because I like the taste and I don't want to change?.

...and if you feel you really NEED to eat meat,ask yourself,do I have enough compassion for animals, that are treated like commodities and slaughtered in the prime of their lives, to cut down on the amount of meat I eat and see how I feel?

This way you can determine for yourself wether or not you REALLY need to eat meat and how much you have been mind controlled and conditioned to believe you do need to eat meat...and how much your ego doesn't want to admit that you have been supporting the terrible treatment and torture of animals...

so all those people who are advocating meat eating,get real and cut down on the amount of meat you believe you need and wake up...your karma and your DNA will love you for it

many people react very strongly to this issue because they can't kid themselves about eating meat...it's LITERALLY in their faces

ascension is about frequency and DNA CAPACITY...it's physics not wishful thinking and new-agey promises

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by John Parslow (here)
Hello NancyV

Vegetarianism tends to emasculate men, especially if soy is a large part of the diet. A bunch of Girlie-men (as Arnold calls them) would be a desirable scenario for TPTB.

As a long term vegetarian and a father of three, I really have to take issue with your statement above - do you have any evidence for this?

Best regards. JP

Get back in your corner John!
You're emasculated, remember?
How dare you come out here and talk!

By the way avalonuggets, the above post is sarcasm, don't go getting nugget on me.

[John Parslow]

Hello M'Lord

Ha ha - back safely in the corner eating a carrot ...

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by John Parslow (here)
Hello M'Lord

Ha ha - back safely in the corner eating a carrot ...

Healthy vegetarian fare.
Good stuff.

[Siberia9]

There is a larger issue here for me, the biggest problem I see is that when people learn somthing new they run around thinking they know it ALL now. It is impossible to sugest anything new to them, even when you have already been down that road already. The new thing becomes their religion. I was raised vegetarian and it does not work for ME, if it works for you then thats great. But I have been on almost every other diet there is and have settled on the one I'm on now for the past 6 years, its not my religion and I will change it if i feel like it, nor will I defend it. It will do no good to tell some of you about it because you will just throw hammers at me because you will feel the need to defend your new religion. So until we can learn how to learn new things the road will be slow and long. I never lock myself into any one thing, idea or guru/leader etc. The lady that started this thread seems inteligent and I'm quit sure she is a beatiful human, how ever her dietary religion makes it as imposible for someone like me to engage in conversation with her as it does my next door neighbor with his religous book that he carys with him everywhere. He hates it when I ask him if he has tried any new religions lately, LOL! So lets not go to war with each other here, differant strokes for differant folks

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Belief systems, belief systems, belief systems. Oh, and declarations of final and total authority.

[John Parslow]

Hello Siberia9

There is a larger issue here for me, the biggest problem I see is that when people learn somthing new they run around thinking they know it ALL now. It is impossible to sugest anything new to them, even when you have already been down that road already. The new thing becomes their religion. I was raised vegetarian and it does not work for ME, if it works for you then thats great.

Did I miss something here, I see no correlation between being a vegetarian and any religion - or is this just confuse-a-John day?

Best regards. JP

[Solphilos]

Posted by shiva777 (here)
ascension is about frequency and DNA CAPACITY...it's physics not wishful thinking and new-agey promises

Really? Was that written somewhere in Einsteins field equations???

[kevlar]

Now that it seems we have evolved enough to live without farm animals because believe me if we stop eating them they will no longer be reared, lets just hope that the ETs who farm humans don't decide that they have evolved enough to eliminate us from their agenda. Oh hang on they have, thats why they want to get rid of ? billion of us.
Maybe this is ascension for the souls of farm animals and humans because the vessels for them to occupy might be disappearing soon.

"I don't want an animal to die for me" could read "I don't want an animal to live for me"

love kevlar

[John Parslow]

Hello Sophilos

Really? Was that written somewhere in Einsteins field equations???

More like General Relativity methinks ...

[Solphilos]

Posted by John Parslow (here)
Hello Sophilos

Really? Was that written somewhere in Einsteins field equations???

More like General Relativity methinks ...

I checked, it isn't there. Maybe somewhere in quantum theory?

[Koyaanisqatsi]

So the gist is this= try to stop eating meat, if not, then cut down. Especially red meats or meats that aren't raised and harvested responsibly/morally. As a competitive mixed martial artist, I have long been a chicken eater. Some days i eat a whole rotissurie chicken to myself for protein. I have a friend who is a world class martial artist, he hasn't lost in competition in over 6 years. He is veagan. He eats 10 meals a day, waking up twice every night to eat in said increments. He astonishes everyone in the gym, he seemingly NEVER fatigues. This is very interesting to consider.... anyone have thoughts on this? You can look him up his name is Jake Shields, his diet is evolved to the highest level imo.

[John Parslow]

Hello Solphilos

Originally Posted by John Parslow
Hello Sophilos

Really? Was that written somewhere in Einsteins field equations???
More like General Relativity methinks ...
I checked, it isn't there. Maybe somewhere in quantum theory?

Blimey, That was quick. Ha ha

All the best to you. JP

[Koyaanisqatsi]

He also has a daily dose of hempseed oil and bee pollen. He never has acne or a blemish which is exceedingly rare for people who roll around on a wrestling mat sweating for a living. He's also never had a cavity(since he started this diet 10 years ago)

[Omni]

Posted by shiva777 (here)
ascension is about frequency and DNA CAPACITY...it's physics not wishful thinking and new-agey promises

Ascension is a vague term. Kind of like spirituality, or enlightenment. I see one aspect to the term ascension in the ascension of understanding. And also ascension of conscious perception in some in being able to view things from multiple perspectives. There are so many "graphs" the word ascension can be put on. But I do feel there is some kind of "ascension" psy op or two going on involving the alternative community.

I do feel there is an ascension genetically in terms of spiritual happenings. Least that is what I am lead to believe at this time. I think some things may affect it. But I suspect foul play involved in this area of information due to it's potential potency.

I don't feel any singular source of information critically tied to my ascension... In my experiences with beings calling themselves ETs they rarely speak of ascension and they would say things like what I just said but more eloquently for telepathic conversation. I think they would rather speak of something that brings understanding or automatic ascension. Spiritual ascension may happen automatically when experiencing things IMO. Least when I used to have it naturally in a mind expanding amazing area I felt something going on there spiritually possibly.

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Posted by John Parslow (here)
Hello NancyV

Vegetarianism tends to emasculate men, especially if soy is a large part of the diet. A bunch of Girlie-men (as Arnold calls them) would be a desirable scenario for TPTB.

As a long term vegetarian and a father of three, I really have to take issue with your statement above - do you have any evidence for this?

Best regards. JP

Unfermented soy literally shriks your brain over the years. It is thought that soy heavy diets in men lessen testosterone production and enhances estrogen. This can't be proven that i'm aware of.....

[grapevine]

Posted by Jendayi (here)

Posted by Arrowwind (here)

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
I'll give you a hint, what do sheep eat?

yes, and their DNA promotes herd mentality... therefor eating vegetarian promotes herd mentaltiy..

hey, just using the kind of logic and science of observation I am finding here....

haha.. that made me chuckle... thank you...

perhaps they should try smoking it .............