Eating animal products will shut down your dna

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Excessive soy is quite unhealthy.

Vegetarianism, while a very healthy choice, is not the right choice for everyone. Heresy! No, it's true. Some humans need meat, though not in the quantities that we in the west consume it. Did you know that the Buddha ate meat? Heck, he actually died from some bad pork. Jesus ate meat, too. *gasp* In the late nineties, even that icon of all goodly virtue the Dalai Lama switched over to a diet containing meat on the advice of his doctors. My own teacher, a lifelong vegetarian who loves animals more than anyone I know started eating small amounts of fish a few years ago for her health.

Do we need to treat animals with respect? Read The Animal Contract by Desmond Morris. Do we need to be more mindful of our diets? yes. I know many vegetarians who eat too much sugar and carbohydrate. Do we need to have gratitude for all lifeforms that we ingest, be they animal or vegetable? Yes. The consciousness and life of a plant has no less value than that of an animal. And before you tell me that plants don't suffer and feel pain, you should go talk to some of them more often.

I invite every reader to simply be conscious of their place in the cycle of life and death and how they choose to participate in it. And stop trying to shove your dogmatic belief systems down everyone else's throat. Our species has had quite enough of that.

Believe what you want and practice what you want. I respect your choice. Share your opinion with me and I will listen. But don't try to tell me how I should live my life. It's my quarter and I'll play as I think best.

Thank you and Namaste.

[ROMANWKT]

bravo jendayi bravo

[Solphilos]

Posted by Koyaanisqatsi (here)
He eats 10 meals a day, waking up twice every night to eat in said increments. He astonishes everyone in the gym, he seemingly NEVER fatigues. This is very interesting to consider.... anyone have thoughts on this? You can look him up his name is Jake Shields, his diet is evolved to the highest level imo.

Meats in general take much longer to digest than other foods, therefore the body would be putting more energy into digestion. In theory, one could eat very light, easy to digest foods in frequent doses and keep the body nourished without 'weighing it down'. I think for most people 10 meals a day is a bit much, but for weight trainers and athletes who need the excess carbs and calories I can understand this type of diet being efficient, and perhaps even ideal.

[DevilPigeon]

Posted by Koyaanisqatsi (here)

Posted by John Parslow (here)
Hello NancyV

Vegetarianism tends to emasculate men, especially if soy is a large part of the diet. A bunch of Girlie-men (as Arnold calls them) would be a desirable scenario for TPTB.

As a long term vegetarian and a father of three, I really have to take issue with your statement above - do you have any evidence for this?

Best regards. JP

Unfermented soy literally shriks your brain over the years. It is thought that soy heavy diets in men lessen testosterone production and enhances estrogen. This can't be proven that i'm aware of.....

Isn't licorice similar......?

[s3nru]

Breatharian Wiley Brooks (www.breatharian.com) suggests that while transitioning to breatharianism to switch to a diet of 1/4 pounders from McDonalds, and diet coke from a plastic bottle. He actually says to stay away from fruits and veggies.

Posted by Wiley Brooks
Read my lips:
If you are reading this, "You are already natural, true Breatharians. So stop trying to be something you already are and get on with the process of returning to your true home, which is the 5d Earth. What I call Earth prime on my web site.

This concoction of 5d beef, 5d liquid light from the diet coke, the 5d sweetener aspartame, french fries fried in 5d de-hydrogenated oil and 5d water (5d water contains liquid gold) from the enter-earth oceans, is what makes this 5d catalyst work.

Cows are 5d beings or higher. They incarnated on the 3d Earth to provide 5d food (beef) for humans. They provide 5d food for humans by converting 3d foods into 5d flesh. Their main mission is to serve mankind by feeding you, thus helping you to return home.

[shiva777]

ascension is NOT a vague term...just as water turns to steam when it is heated,physical matter turns to a more subtle state as frequency rises...ASCENDING frequencies..THAT IS PROVEN BY PHYSICS...Wilcock has done a lot of research into the PHYSICS of DNA activation etc(with many mistakes)

eating meat lowers your frequency...that's pretty clear by the long time it takes to digest..it adds to your physical density,,and what it effects on a physical level it effects on ALL your other levels as well

.many people want to tell you ascension is a vague term so that they can sell their fantasies and escapism...ascension used to be a scienctifically proven fact and that science is returning again...

again,if you think you need to eat meat,cut down on how much you eat and see if what you think is true...

[DevilPigeon]

Posted by s3nru (here)
Breatharian Wiley Brooks (www.breatharian.com) suggests that while transitioning to breatharianism to switch to a diet of 1/4 pounders from McDonalds, and diet coke from a plastic bottle. He actually says to stay away from fruits and veggies.

Posted by Wiley Brooks
Read my lips:
If you are reading this, "You are already natural, true Breatharians. So stop trying to be something you already are and get on with the process of returning to your true home, which is the 5d Earth. What I call Earth prime on my web site.

This concoction of 5d beef, 5d liquid light from the diet coke, the 5d sweetener aspartame, french fries fried in 5d de-hydrogenated oil and 5d water (5d water contains liquid gold) from the enter-earth oceans, is what makes this 5d catalyst work.

Cows are 5d beings or higher. They incarnated on the 3d Earth to provide 5d food (beef) for humans. They provide 5d food for humans by converting 3d foods into 5d flesh. Their main mission is to serve mankind by feeding you, thus helping you to return home.

Please tell me this is a wind-up......

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Posted by shiva777 (here)
ascension is NOT a vague term...just as water turns to steam when it is heated,physical matter turns to a more subtle state as frequency rises...ASCENDING frequencies..THAT IS PROVEN BY PHYSICS...Wilcock has done a lot of research into the PHYSICS of DNA activation etc(with many mistakes)

.many people want to tell you ascension is a vague term so that they can sell their fantasies and escapism...ascension used to be a scienctifically proven fact and that science is returning again...

again,if you think you need to eat meat,cut down on how much you eat and see if what you think is true...

I think ascension is a vague term for some. It is something very specific for others. It's very specific for me. When I say "ascension" I know exactly what I mean by it as do some that I am speaking to. People say the same about the word "enlightenment". Some say it is a vague term, but those in the know are referring to something very specific. Yet the Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao. Still.

[Solphilos]

Posted by Whiskey_Mystic (here)
Excessive soy is quite unhealthy.

Vegetarianism, while a very healthy choice, is not the right choice for everyone. Heresy! No, it's true. Some humans need meat, though not in the quantities that we in the west consume it. Did you know that the Buddha ate meat? Heck, he actually died from some bad pork. Jesus ate meat, too. *gasp* In the late nineties, even that icon of all goodly virtue the Dalai Lama switched over to a diet containing meat on the advice of his doctors. My own teacher, a lifelong vegetarian who loves animals more than anyone I know started eating small amounts of fish a few years ago for her health.

Do we need to treat animals with respect? Read The Animal Contract by Desmond Morris. Do we need to be more mindful of our diets? yes. I know many vegetarians who eat too much sugar and carbohydrate. Do we need to have gratitude for all lifeforms that we ingest, be they animal or vegetable? Yes. The consciousness and life of a plant has no less value than that of an animal. And before you tell me that plants don't suffer and feel pain, you should go talk to some of them more often.

I invite every reader to simply be conscious of their place in the cycle of life and death and how they choose to participate in it. And stop trying to shove your dogmatic belief systems down everyone else's throat. Our species has had quite enough of that.

Believe what you want and practice what you want. I respect your choice. Share your opinion with me and I will listen. But don't try to tell me how I should live my life. It's my quarter and I'll play as I think best.

Thank you and Namaste.

Your quite correct. Many people tend to become blindsided by what they think they should eat, and ignore what their own bodies tell them. Most diet fanatics forget that the human species has survived and thrived on many various diets throughout its history. No one diet can be hailed as superior and raised above others for any reason, physical, spiritual or philosophical.
I have known people personally who have thrived on strict vegan diets, and I have known others who have tried it and failed due to malnutrition caused by it. Some people get ill from excess meat consumption, yet there is a culture in Mongolia who live off a diet exclusively of meat and dairy, and they generally very healthy and live long lives.
I myself went vegetarian and then strict vegan, which only lasted about a year before I grew extremely ill and had to give it up.
The point is, the best diet is the one that keeps you alive and kicking. Listen to what your body says and ignore the rest.

[Inelia]

Posted by DevilPigeon (here)

Posted by s3nru (here)
Breatharian Wiley Brooks (www.breatharian.com) suggests that while transitioning to breatharianism to switch to a diet of 1/4 pounders from McDonalds, and diet coke from a plastic bottle. He actually says to stay away from fruits and veggies.

Posted by Wiley Brooks
Read my lips:
If you are reading this, "You are already natural, true Breatharians. So stop trying to be something you already are and get on with the process of returning to your true home, which is the 5d Earth. What I call Earth prime on my web site.

This concoction of 5d beef, 5d liquid light from the diet coke, the 5d sweetener aspartame, french fries fried in 5d de-hydrogenated oil and 5d water (5d water contains liquid gold) from the enter-earth oceans, is what makes this 5d catalyst work.

Cows are 5d beings or higher. They incarnated on the 3d Earth to provide 5d food (beef) for humans. They provide 5d food for humans by converting 3d foods into 5d flesh. Their main mission is to serve mankind by feeding you, thus helping you to return home.

Please tell me this is a wind-up......

It is not a wind-up. Which goes to show the amount of "interpretation" that simple concepts get out there.
Inedia, the ability to live without food, is very broad and is known in a lot of cultures: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inedia

[Rocky_Shorz]

Problem is, I can buy a burger for $2 that will fill me up for 8 hours, or I can spend $15, for a bag of carrots, head of lettuce and a few apples that last the same amount of time...

Cheap food isn't healthy, but neither is starving...

[Constance]

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[Peace of Mind]

Hi, Arrowind,

I have learned directly from native american elders who have passed down their knowledge in an oral tradition, not controlled institues.
That’s cool, my grandmother is/was Cherokee Blackfoot too. I learned (thru her and others) that every tribe/people were not into flesh eating for various reasons… spiritually was one of the reasons that stuck out to me..

What would you suggest that these hunterers/gathers eat in the dead of winter?

agriculture was only minimally developed on Turtle Island when the white man evolved. Are you suggesting that a tribe in northern Vancouver should have been migrating to Mexico or Florida? Should people there only eat vegetables that have to be shipped in via trucks and refrigeration? Nuts that will not grow in a zone 4 climate? soy that is damaging to the hormonal system? Rice that does not grow in Canada? Perhaps we should just move all the people out of Canada and put them in Florida and California where they can have a sustainable diet. Are you absolutely sure about your claims on how Agriculture came about, maybe as far as mass production go but I’m sure many ancients already knew what fruits and veggies were edible and how to harvest them.

People today don’t really know much about our true His-story. When George Carver discovered the Soy bean it was used to extract dies for metals, and for paint. It was never meant for consumption. As far as people living in areas where plants/food isn’t available…It’s up to them to move, it’s certainly not my decision. When flesh eating became the norm, people were able to spread out to places that probably were seen as inhospitable at one time…all they had to do was feed on other creatures to sustain in that inhabitant.



We can make clothing from hemp if the law permitted but hemp was not a significant part of indigenous culture on Turtle Island.. Pretty dam hard going naked when its 5 below zero, Id say. This is true for much of North America and northern Europe and northern China and the mountain regions of south america. Id say that if you think people should go naked in such climates I say you go first. The sustainable solution is to use animal skins. Hemp could work. Cotton over utilizes water, and chemicals.
The Turtle Island is subjective matter. Besides, that’s only a solution if they choose to stay in such hostile environments.

I prefer the tropical locations myself. If they choose to freeze their fannies off in the cold climates because they don’t want to move to greener pastures…it’s their prerogative.

I am specifically refering to peoples of the Turtle Island. They are the same people of the old, under the influences of a non tradtional life style and diet. If the thesis is to be correct it must be correct for all peoples on every continent. the thesis is that eating meat damages the dna and can prevent ascension.
India is a continent that developed agrculture way before the peoples of Turtle Island. Flesh eating is not necessariy for survival if you have access to other foods of good protien quality. It requires agracultural cultures to do this. This was not availble to most of the world in the fourth world (as told by Hopi) until quite recently... Europe and the middle east and southern China being the leaders in agraculture.

I really don’t know how you come to terms with this. I highly doubt ancients didn’t know how to farm or garden. You can even look at some carvings on ancient sites and see that people had bowls of food….which look like fruit. I can’t recall seeing any pics of animal parts in their dishes. I’m sure they knew how to farm, effectively too.

there is much valuable information on the net. I whole heartedly disagree. Some of the most radical stuff anyone could think of is on the net, some true, some false.. many sites with alternative insightes to archeology, timelines, and the evolution of humanity. I dont save these links but have read on them.. again , I have sought much of my education from tradtional elders of Turtle Island who hold the ancient teachings. They see the white mans ways and their diet as the cause of great distress.. flour, too much carbs... not honoring mother earth... nor the spirit of the animals... tearing at the mothers flesh to create food that does not sustain the spirit and destroying her ecology in the process by creating all the factories necessary to make the whole thing go.

Not every plant/tree is here for human consumption. In fact, many of the vegetation can only be eaten by certain animals. While some plant/trees can be used for medicine, and shade in the afternoon sun. Earth grows this for us, it comes from her. Animals will tell you (in their own way) “I’m not your food”. It would be cool for you to send me a link of fruit and veggies doing this.

It is natural that agraculture developed in India, with its warm climate and being close, relatively to the mediteranian where its developement started.. mesopotamia (sp?) was it not? at least in this fourth world?
IMHO, I don’t think either of us is in a position to speak on this. As I mentioned earlier…this is highly subjective info, not confirmed facts.



the fact of the matter is that migrations ranged in a few hundred miles, not thousands in the old days.. To take a tribe and migrate 1000 miles to warm climate would be their demise. Yes, migrating to be vegetarian is unimportant to them. They were sustaining and thriving without. This whole thread insinuates that these people cannot advance their dna.. and infact have damaged their dna from eating meat. I absolutely protest this idea.

It’s ok to disagree, nothing wrong with that…I’m not the one, or will be the one doing the judging. What I do know about energy is that it can’t be created or destroy, but, you can consume the energy of fear, anger, and sadness….all within the meat people eat. You are what you eat.


For that matter provide one link to current peoples living in a cohesive society that eat only plants that do not depend on shipping of food and refrigeration over long distances.... I would be very interested in reading these links... I have looked myself but didnt find anything but maybe I am looking in the wrong place?

People just have to change their ways and locations…it’s just as simple as that. Excuses of why they can’t move will probably be off topic.

Back to their roots is a sustainable culture. back to their roots is hunting and gathering, Organic gardening where possible, for the vast majority within this the fourth world. I cannot speak for the 3rd world before this, that would likely take us back to Atlanian times. Halting shipping and refrigeration across the planet would be required would be back to roots.

I am talking about traditional peoples pre white man invasion, that ate vegetarian..where are records of these people? I can find only the most minimal information on such cultures, really, anywhere on the planet, except for maybe parts, and only parts of India. If vegetarian is requried for evolution then are we to say the indigenous peoples of Turtle Island and Australia cannot evolve? Are we saying that people of India are more evolved? Are we to base ones spiritual evolution on what they eat?

Much of the History that dealt with Egypt was destroyed; do you think proof of other ancient civilization didn’t face the same demise?

That their DNA is perpetually damaged? therefor an inferior race? and if inferior inferior to whom? those that eat flour and corn? and and rice? and who ship produce all over the world with great expense to the mother earth?

I will remind you that Aldoph Hitler was a vegetarian.

I don’t believe or get into discussions about trained His-story. It only causes debates that can’t really be proven in this day and age. I rather deal with the now and participate in making the specie better for each other and the world.

If you really want to talk about damaging DNA lets talk about excessive alcohol and drugs. People get addicted to the sugar of carbs, not the protiens in meat.

I agree…

Peace

[s3nru]

Posted by DevilPigeon (here)
Please tell me this is a wind-up......

no more than anyone else (on the internet no less) telling me what to eat in order to reach ascension is a wind up. I have heard other breatharians talk about their transition involving vegetarian or fruitarian stages, and some who didn't have any of that. every person has their own path. some might never become breatharians/inediacs.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
Problem is, I can buy a burger for $2 that will fill me up for 8 hours, or I can spend $15, for a bag of carrots, head of lettuce and a few apples that last the same amount of time...

Cheap food isn't healthy, but neither is starving...

Rocky, this is a legitimate complaint for those trying to change their diet. Poison has been made widely available and cheap, even to the detriment of our global life support system. The poisonous big mac and aspertame lunch is also addictive and therefore self-sustaining. Of course, there is the question of nutritional content for your dollar as opposed to just filling your belly. With effort, I think it is possible to find something that fills you up, is cheap, and easy to make. My own crutch is black beans and rice. I never tire of it. If I need to, I can toss in some lime juice or cheese. I also love the superfood quinoa, though the rising popularity of it is causing problems for peasants who have subsisted on it for hundreds of years. There is always a trade off.

Eating healthier does require effort, but I think it is worth it. And if you get cravings for poison, which I still do, start by designating one day a week that you can eat whatever. You might find that when that day of the week comes, you no longer have the craving. It works for me.

[conk]

Posted by Constance Neal (here)

Posted by Wiremu2011 (here)
I wonder what the indigenous cultures would have to say of this thread? And what of the Eskimo's - how would they survive as a collective in their enviroment if they didn't eat seals and, whales etc? I only recently watched a fascinating documentary on this group and saw that they needed these animals to survive in that place or they'd be extinct. What would you suggest they used as an alternative food source in those freezing elements?

Slept on it...

Maybe we should ask the indigenous cultures themselves what they think about how they are living currently? Invite them to speak here

Until we can all come together in the "common passon" for every last man, woman and child on this planet, birng everyone to the table (pardon the pun) we will constantly debate what we need to do, where we need to do it, how we need to do it, why we need to do it, who we need to do it with and when we need to do it.

Wow, just dodged that question, eh? The fact is that these meat eating cultures are extremely healthy and rarely contract cancers or heart disease. The correlation between saturated meat fats and heart disease is blatantly wrong.

How do vegans obtain the nutrients that the body needs, that are only found in meat products? We didn't always have supplementation.

Whatever, the meat vs veggie debate will never be resolved to everyone's satisfaction.

[Arrowwind]

Posted by Moonwish (here)
Hi Everyone;
This is my first post though I am a long time lurker / observer on Avalon Forum.
I find all sides of this question interesting and wonder if many of you have heard of the books The Paleo-Diet (Loren Cordain), The Paleo Solution (Robb Wolf), or The Primal Blueprint (Mark Sisson—also an interesting website at Mark’s Daily Apple.com) Primal diet protocols? (don’t know how to embed yet)

Essentially, their premise is that we evolved as omnivores and did not eat agricultural products until quite recently in our history. The metaphor used by one author (Wolf I think) says if human history is a 100 yard football field, agricultural products have only been used by humans for the last yard or so, hence, we are not biologically equipped to deal with grains, legumes, & dairy products.

Low protein / low carbs (i.e. meat, fish, low glycemic (sic?) vegetables) in their view are the “natural diet” of humans and eating a “modern diet” heavy in cultivated grains, legumes, breads, sugar, etc. lead to insulin resistance, intestinal damage, and ill health.

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Absolutley... want to observe a sickly looking crew... hand out with some Hari Krishna's for a while... while granted they are way overboard on the sugar end... it is exacerbated by the huge level of grain carbs they eat. Time I spent with them I saw a lot of sickness in failry young people.

I love Hari Krishna dancing!

[DevilPigeon]

Posted by s3nru (here)

Posted by DevilPigeon (here)
Please tell me this is a wind-up......

no more than anyone else (on the internet no less) telling me what to eat in order to reach ascension is a wind up. I have heard other breatharians talk about their transition involving vegetarian or fruitarian stages, and some who didn't have any of that. every person has their own path. some might never become breatharians/inediacs.

Forget the 'ascension' bit, that's of no relevance. Purely from a 'health' point of view, this type of nonsense is quite frankly dangerous, the problem being that people read stuff like this and because it's on the internet take it as gospel & either start eating this junk on a more regular basis, or if they're already eating it regularly see articles like this as further justification for carrying on...

I'm not suggesting for one moment that if it's a choice between eating this stuff and starving one should choose to starve, not at all. But rather your day-to-day food intake should be as healthy as it can be.

I just hope whoever is giving this type of ridiculous advice can sleep at night... But I'm sure they do, safe in the knowledge the shares they undoubtedly have in the fast-food industry are doing quite nicely thank you very much.

[Solphilos]

Posted by shiva777 (here)
ascension is NOT a vague term...just as water turns to steam when it is heated,physical matter turns to a more subtle state as frequency rises...ASCENDING frequencies..THAT IS PROVEN BY PHYSICS...

You can't take one fact as an analogy and use it to prove something else that has no basis in real science. Please, use your scientific knowledge to enlighten us on what it means to raise the frequency of matter. What happens to the atoms, and what stimulates them into this change?

eating meat lowers your frequency...that's pretty clear by the long time it takes to digest..

Meat it dense, therefore it takes longer to be broken down by acids in the stomach. This is science fact, there is no need to resort to new-age hoodoo in attempt to explain it.

...ascension used to be a scienctifically proven fact and that science is returning again...

Is there any proof that it used to be proven? If so, wouldn't it still be proven today?
What happened, did the pudding run out?

again,if you think you need to eat meat,cut down on how much you eat and see if what you think is true...

I can't speak for everyone, but when I cut meat from my diet my body didn't transmute into a higher frequency and I didn't find myself standing aboard some mothership or planet in another dimension. My skin did obtain a nice glow however! I would recommend a meat-free diet for those who struggle with acne or other skin disorders.

[Arrowwind]

Posted by Constance Neal (here)

Posted by Wiremu2011 (here)
I wonder what the indigenous cultures would have to say of this thread? And what of the Eskimo's - how would they survive as a collective in their enviroment if they didn't eat seals and, whales etc? I only recently watched a fascinating documentary on this group and saw that they needed these animals to survive in that place or they'd be extinct. What would you suggest they used as an alternative food source in those freezing elements?

Slept on it...

Maybe we should ask the indigenous cultures themselves what they think about how they are living currently? Invite them to speak here

Until we can all come together in the "common passon" for every last man, woman and child on this planet, bring everyone to the table (pardon the pun) we will constantly debate what we need to do, where we need to do it, how we need to do it, why we need to do it, who we need to do it with and when we need to do it.

What a copout.