Eating animal products will shut down your dna

[K626]

Posted by astrid (here)
It's also the way food is handled, and the energy, vibration of those handling it that makes a big difference to the end product.

Which is why blessing food before u eat it, is good practice to increase its vibration.


I eat meat, but only from free range and responsible producers.

Mostly i eat white meat, chicken and fish and sometimes duck.

The animals are happy, much loved and well looked after,

organic and free range.

I have visited some of these producers myself.

I have tried not eating meat, and certainly i eat very little these days,

but i get very tired and my bad focus ( ADD symptoms) gets even worse,

i'm unproductive and end up frustrated and depressed.

Sure i could be a vegetarian, but i would end up back on ADD meds just to get up and function everyday.

Its all a fine balance for me, and diet is a big part of that.

But as spiritual beings we are SO powerful.

We can alter the vibration of the food we take in, so it is for our highest good.



But interesting thread Constance, thank you for being you.

blessings,

Astrid

That is the absolute key Astrid. The body takes what it needs and you can tune it to various degrees depending on what you are eating.

I have practiced living rough and have caught and eaten rabbit, squirrel and wild fowl and really found myself satisfyied that I was able to do this and learnt new skills for survival. If people can teach themselves to live in bracken and woods in such a manner it really is a big skill for survival in uncertain times.

I find most meats boring but do treat myself to red meat from time to time as I really love the taste and the blood of it.

If I feel happy within myself I see no harm in it for my personal karma and it is good to re-enact some wildness within the humdrum day to day persona...Might be a man thing...

Try and get free range eggs and other sustainable and well looked after produce of course as everyone should if at all possible with regard to budget and time.

Peace

K

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[K626]

Posted by NancyV (here)

Posted by John Parslow (here)
Hello NancyV

Vegetarianism tends to emasculate men, especially if soy is a large part of the diet. A bunch of Girlie-men (as Arnold calls them) would be a desirable scenario for TPTB.

As a long term vegetarian and a father of three, I really have to take issue with your statement above - do you have any evidence for this?

Best regards. JP

There is lots of evidence all over the internet and also presented on Dr. Joseph Mercola's website about the dangers of soy. Here is an article on Mercola's site: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...ummarized.aspx

If you can't read that without registering, here is an article from another site about the feminizing aspects of Soy for men: http://www.menshealth.com/bestfoods/...od_for_Men.php

Dr. Mercola, as did many of us, used to think soy was a health food. Many of us also thought vegetarianism was healthy and preferable for spiritual reasons. Some of us, including Dr. Mercola, changed our opinions completely after new information came to light. Also my years of experience in spiritual pursuits proved that vegetarianism was not necessary, at least not for me. If one has a strong belief that it's necessary it may be so for them, and that's fine. We each have the right to choose or accept any limitations we wish to believe.

I made the mistake for many years of using too much soy and my son suffered some of the effects of overuse of soy products. I finally got him to quit eating it about 10 years ago when I found out how dangerous it could be for all of us and especially for men and babies.

As far as my flippant statement about girlie-men that was just a joke in my rather irreverent and occasionally unabashedly sexist style of humor. At least I am an equal opportunity sexist and joke about women as much as men. We're all pretty funny in our own unique ways.

Nancy

Pretty well know that soy isn't that good for men.

Thanks for the reminder Nancy.

K

[K626]

Posted by Icecold (here)

Posted by Normalguy31 (here)
What about canine teeth? Humans are born with canine teeth that are specifically designed for tearing meat. If we are not supposed to eat meat: why are we born with teeth to tear meat?

Those teeth you are talking about are for eating nuts not meat.

There is a lot of data that the change to high protein intake increased the size of the brain of early man.

Don't miss the boat Ice.

love

K

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[Solphilos]

Posted by Whiskey_Mystic (here)

Posted by Solphilos (here)
Your quite correct. Many people tend to become blindsided by what they think they should eat, and ignore what their own bodies tell them. Most diet fanatics forget that the human species has survived and thrived on many various diets throughout its history. No one diet can be hailed as superior and raised above others for any reason, physical, spiritual or philosophical.
I have known people personally who have thrived on strict vegan diets, and I have known others who have tried it and failed due to malnutrition caused by it. Some people get ill from excess meat consumption, yet there is a culture in Mongolia who live off a diet exclusively of meat and dairy, and they generally very healthy and live long lives.
I myself went vegetarian and then strict vegan, which only lasted about a year before I grew extremely ill and had to give it up.
The point is, the best diet is the one that keeps you alive and kicking. Listen to what your body says and ignore the rest.

Good post. Of course, my estimation of a good post is directly correlated to the degree to which that post agrees with me.

The only problem with listening to what our bodies tell us now is that our bodies are being tricked with chemicals. I had a heck of time getting off of diet coke. I still get cravings and I don't even like the taste! I also crave sugar and hot salted fat, which I am pretty sure is not good for me. I think that it becomes easier to listen to your body after you go through a detox. With practice, we can listen deeper than the initial addiction cravings. I think.

I'm glad you brought up this point, as I have previously confused people when telling them to give their bodies what they crave. Obviously filling ones head with cocaine would not be ideal, our bodies will deceive us! lol.
It's really all about knowing ourselves, and like you said, listening deeper than the addictions most of us have.

[noprophet]

I would just like to say 'vegetarian' is in no way congruent with 'soy intake'. The assumptions seem to continue on this. I eat no soy and have been vegetarian for about three or four years.

Is it possible that the soy/vegetarian psychological association is really just a programming to keep a hand on the piggies even when they back away form the trough?

TPTB have had their hands in the meat just as much as the grain. There are huge option's on both sides.

On a possibly related note I've had a cold once in the last three years. A very mild cold.

It's not for everyone but if you can handle it; try it. There's no real words, but it's the energetic equivalent to removing a thin veil from the eyes. Carmody described it well.

[modwiz]

Posted by DevilPigeon (here)

Posted by s3nru (here)

Posted by DevilPigeon (here)
I'm not suggesting for one moment that if it's a choice between eating this stuff and starving one should choose to starve, not at all. But rather your day-to-day food intake should be as healthy as it can be.

I just hope whoever is giving this type of ridiculous advice can sleep at night... But I'm sure they do, safe in the knowledge the shares they undoubtedly have in the fast-food industry are doing quite nicely thank you very much.

Wiley Brooks has been championing breatharianism for 30 years. Check out his youtube video from 20 years ago before judging him, there's more at work here than what seems.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Z3e5wueoN4U

That's cool, and to be fair I watched the video and have to say it sounds interesting, even to the point of it making sense...! But this vid is promoting a concept that is totally opposite to what I was getting at.

What I was getting at was the apparent promotion of having a mostly junk food diet rather than more obvious healthy choices. There was even a link to that on the website. I can understand the concept of reducing intake down to nothing over time, in a controlled way, but doing that would surely be better by eating more natural simple foods rather than the chemical concoctions spewed out by the junk food corporations?

Wiley. What's in a name?

[DevilPigeon]

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I seem to recall seeing an article some time back about a nun (I think) that had gone several years without consuming food (or it might even have been water), so I'm not discounting this as nonsense, especially as Inelia mentioned in an earlier post that she used to thrive without food herself.

The bit that ruffled my feathers was a link within the breatharian website that was basically a free advert for McDonalds.

[Carmody]

At the risk of repeating myself:

My personal understanding is that if you think you can kill living beings and move to the highest levels of spiritual truth, you are really kidding yourself.... with a lie told to you by your body's whispers and murmurings.

I eat meat and I do, at times, experience the particular animal's death. I understand the bargain I am making.

I have largely limited myself to bits of chicken and fish. Almost never red meat.

It is as if the meat advocates in this thread are seeing other people place the heads of others on the curb ..and stomp those given heads in....and when doing the same..saying 'it's ok!, it's all good. it's normal!' Ahhh...no.

Confront and face the bargain you are making... is all I ask.

Nothing more.

Ever been to a slaughterhouse? Some of you have.

Ever been inside the mind of another person? Ever been inside of an animal when it is being slaughtered? I have. Yes to both.

Perspective does help. It'll teach you a few things.

You are living in an avatar system. The body is mechanical.... and it does like to eat other creatures. Understand that the urge is in the system, it is not you. Whether or not your particular avatar can survive without meats due to genetic disposition ---that is a question, isn't it?

My particular body does very well, healthwise -with the neanderthal type diet. That is when I'm my healthiest. However, I don't like to eat meats, most times.

Spiritually? I do my best with a pure vegan diet. And I may do that again...some time soon.

As stated.. North America has not been put together with that sort of diet in mind, so the path to get there in a standard NA (North American) lifestyle can be a bit tricky, at best. The general knowledge of what to do is simply not around, in the overall sense.

The trick here is to not identify too strongly with the avatar. It isn't you. Realize it is a mask ....and take it off every now and then.

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Look at this way: If you want to be a world class athlete then certain things must be done. Even the weather can affect your performance at those levels. One bad meal can ruin a race, event or even a career.

Spirituality? same-same. If you are living your avatar based life and doing just fine then, good for you.

However, if you wish to go for an extreme point, level or act... of taking this situation, this reality, this avatar system...as far as it can go, IMO and IME..No animal flesh. It really is that simple. Just like the diet and the life of the athlete, certain things need to be done.

I'm not training right now to do 'world class' things. I might go for that again, soon. In that case, during the ramp up and in the time frame involved...no animal products will enter my body. Of course, in that state of mind, I gotta tell you, the idea of eating meats sure is an unpleasant thought.

[K626]

Posted by Carmody (here)
At the risk of repeating myself:

My personal understanding is that if you think you can kill living beings and move to the highest levels of spiritual truth, you are really kidding yourself.... with a lie told to you by your body's whispers and murmurings.

I eat meat and I do, at times, experience the particular animal's death. I understand the bargain I am making.

I have largely limited myself to bits of chicken and fish. Almost never red meat.

It is as if the meat advocates in this thread are seeing other people place the heads of others on the curb ..and stomp those given heads in....and when doing the same..saying 'it's ok!, it's all good. it's normal!' Ahhh...no.

Confront and face the bargain you are making... is all I ask.

Nothing more.

Ever been to a slaughterhouse? Some of you have.

Ever been inside the mind of another person? Ever been inside of an animal when it is being slaughtered? I have. Yes to both.

Perspective does help. It'll teach you a few things.

You are living in an avatar system. The body is mechanical.... and it does like to eat other creatures. Understand that the urge is in the system, it is not you. Whether or not your particular avatar can survive without meats due to genetic disposition ---that is a question, isn't it?

My particular body does very well, healthwise -with the neanderthal type diet. That is when I'm my healthiest. However, I don't like to eat meats, most times.

Spiritually? I do my best with a pure vegan diet. And I may do that again...some time soon.

As stated.. North America has not been put together with that sort of diet in mind, so the path to get there in a standard NA (North American) lifestyle can be a bit tricky, at best. The general knowledge of what to do is simply not around, in the overall sense.

The trick here is to not identify too strongly with the avatar. It isn't you. Realize it is a mask ....and take it off every now and then.

Good post Carmody and fairly laid out.

The Buddhist monks that I stayed with had no problems eating meat although they would eat it in a particular way ie only meat and meat alone on a particular day and that would inc cheese and milk etc..

Other days they would only eat fruit or vegetables.

Didn't really give it much thought when I was there.

cheers

K

nb There were some who didn't eat meat at all.

[HORIZONS]

Much wisdom in your post Carmody - a good balanced view and understandable.

[Constance]

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[Chicodoodoo]

Posted by Constance Neal (here)
Do you want to put science first before internal knowledge Chico?

Any method that leads to truth could work for me.

All claims ever do is verify what IS internal knowledge. Claims are all about the ego. It is all external knowledge and a distraction. Keeps you from looking inside.

Claims don't verify anything -- they are just claims. Internal knowledge is not necessarily truth any more than external knowledge. If all we had to do is look inside for the answers, no one would have any questions.

If someone has the ability to do this, what might they know about our DNA? Brian has spent the last 27 years of his life studying everything he could about human potential. All from direct experience and internal knowledge. Nothing external. He can share all that you would ever care to know about Chico and more.

Of course he can share what he knows. So can we all. That doesn't mean any of us speaks truth. Contemplating on one spot doesn't make anyone an expert on DNA. All knowledge of DNA is from external sources, is less than 60 years old, and is massively incomplete. We're still learning about DNA. It's a very vast and complex subject.

Eating ANY form of animal product will shut your DNA down.

Your claim reminded me of this post by Bill Ryan in the "Hollow Earth" thread. Essentially, Bill says we shouldn't make wild claims without including some kind of supporting evidence. I tend to agree.

I'm also reminded of another person that made some wild claims without any supporting evidence. He caused quite a stir here at Avalon. We called him "Charles".

[Constance]

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[slvrfx]

Had to put in my 2-cents...

To put it simply, I believe as the Native American's did, and other indigenous peoples...balance in all things, and eat meat, while honoring the animal who willingly gave its life for you.

I was a vegetarian for a few years, until a Naturopathic Dr. informed me I was hurting myself because my ancestors were heavy meat eaters, and I was shocking my DNA by going without.

Made sense to me.

Every person should do what makes sense to him/her.

That simple.

(It's not our 'job' to 'fix' others. We're all totally capable. To think otherwise is an insult to others' spirits.)

[bilko]

Posted by DevilPigeon (here)
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I seem to recall seeing an article some time back about a nun (I think) that had gone several years without consuming food (or it might even have been water), so I'm not discounting this as nonsense, especially as Inelia mentioned in an earlier post that she used to thrive without food herself.

The bit that ruffled my feathers was a link within the breatharian website that was basically a free advert for McDonalds.

She ate mana, like a sustaining plasma.
Can't remember her name although she was a sister.

[DawgBone]

I've been on a strict vegetarian diet twice for periods of 3 or 4 years. I was physically fine during that time. Currently I eat very little meat and intend to resume a vegetarian diet for the duration.

I would just like to point out that vegetarian diets can be delicious, really delicious. It is not much of sacrifice in terms of enjoying food. Really.

To encourage people, perhaps we should start a vegetarian recipe thread ???

[l3ol3o]

I'm sorry but I don't agree with this idea at all. In fact I would consider it disinformation at its finest.

I don't have a problem if your a vegan or if you don't like people that eat meat but to say eating meat will shut down your DNA is pure BS and disinformation.

Humans are Omnivores. Our teeth are a mix of those that carnivores and herbivores have, showing an evolutionary path that proves we are able to process both.

DNA is the blue print for life. Why would Humans be designed to be omnivores if meat was destroying our DNA? Don't you think if meat was truly destroying our DNA, we would evolve to dislike meat? Surely something that would destroy DNA (And thus be a major threat to the Human species) would be a major target of evolutionary process. As new generations would be born, genes would be passed down for humans to dislike meat.

I have seen no evidence of this at all. Humans have always been Omnivores.

Radiation destroys DNA. Meat does not. Look up some pictures of children in the Chernobyl area. That is what radiation does to DNA.

I also don't see how you can make a spiritual connection to this at all. The only thing I can think of is it makes you feel "above" people who eat meat. Keep dreaming...

I am sorry to be so hard but you had to know to expect this by making a statement this ridiculous.

You a trying to promote your vegan agenda by spreading misinformation and I come to this board to try to stay away from misinformation.

Sorry for being so blunt.

[observer]

A Clarion Call

I can hear the silent screams of fish,
Haunting me in my dreams.
If only fish could scream,
You say.

In my memories of who we once where,
I now turn away as men face-off,
Across a field some call honor….
In the name of a self-appointed king….
As they rush against a hail-storm of molten death.

In my memories of who we once where,
I can still feel the pierce of a bayonet in my belly,
As I once laid dying in the shadow of impaled bodies.
While those around me feasted,
Inebriated on the carcass of a slain beast.

As the mothers of the fallen leave a trail of tears,
Tracing-back to the dawn of man.
Yet, the history of man’s inhumanity to man,
Is a well-worn highway upon that very trail of sorrow.

I wander here alone ….

Upon this barren landscape….

Awash with the blood of all my grandfather’s relations….
Among men with the blank stare of murder in the windows of their souls,
Who would rather slit the throat of the wounded deer,
Then spend the price of another round…

Mad with the lust for blood….

As they sit and eat its heart.

In my memory of who I am,
I wonder how many,
Would partake of the holiday feast,
If the slaughter of the beast,
Were mandatory requirements of the ceremony….

In my memories of who we are,
I remember this is not my happy place….

I remember my Creator’s heart is heavy with what we have become….

I remember the place where I’d rather be….

I remember all this because now…

In my dreams….

I can hear the screams of fish….

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