Eating animal products will shut down your dna

[Teakai]

I read a while ago that they did an autopsy on a cadaver and found something like 3 kilos of undigested red meat in the intestine (cor, who'd want that job??). I don't know if it's a fact that the human is 'designed' to eat meat.
On what do we base that thinking?

I remember hearing Credo Muttwah say that back in the day the oldest animal in a pack would give its life as food. That's stayed with me. But it's a far cry from breeding animals for the slaughterhouse. That's just really sad. I heard pigs were almost as smart as humans. Imagine.

Yeah, I can't imagine a consciously spiritual being being OK with eating meat as it's processed today to get on the supermarket shelves.

[Agape]

Disinformation eh . What about intelligent life elsewhere in the Universe ? Advanced beings there do not eat one another mostly ..but again,
sorry you were disinformed.
What about any first hand knowledge ? From whom ? Mainstream science and media perhaps ?
Will they let you know ?


Maybe half of the civilisation diseases could be well cured if people gave up on meet eating, there you have it, your organs can't stand all the protein uptake, your hormones are messed up, look at the populace, if it all would be so healthy as you claim .

[Carmody]

This subject touches the depths of the block on and in the avatar system. Ie,the spirit and the body interface.

The body is forced to confront it's mortality in the moment of uttering this aspect of 'not reaching full DNA potential if you eat flesh'.

Therein lies the heat in and surrounding this discussion.

The unconscious aspects of thought formation in the mind... being steered by the expression via a fleshy avatar rears it's head.... and the fear of loss comes down the pipe and dictates your response pattern.

Seriously.

Know thyself.

In this case, know your duality.

If you truly look in the depths of the duality avatar system, you will know that this aspect of needing to not consume animal flesh is 100% correct. However, at what stage your given evolution is at -is the real question.

You have a short path to a better place if you wish to take that road, or taste that road. To take it out for a test drive, so to speak. To be a true vegan for a while, in among the whole meditative Kundalini approach. Go for the Gusto, go for the gold, the brass ring, whatever you want to call it.

In all seriousness, I do see some (people) unwilling to deal with the depths of this as it is an ego-avatar issue, at it's deepest levels..and it is laid bare with the introduction of this subject. Which means it is no small wonder that a strong response occurs. This subject pokes your inner child and animal/avatar/body straight in the eye, and we begin to see who/what is forming those thoughts and what the level control of the base drives and self awareness actually is ...in the given individual. I have my weak spots too, they are just not in this subject area. Find the right stick and place to poke....and you'll see. Same as anyone else.

We are also in the middle of two strong astrological alignments, today.

[Constance]

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[Agape]

I can hear the silent screams of fish,
Haunting me in my dreams.
If only fish could scream,
You say.

I've had the experience actually ..

I don't eat meat for about 18 years or so. Sometimes I make that mischief for the sake of it all ..

can't say I'd be right sick but can feel my body fights against . It does not want the information.


Once I had a fish in the Burmese Monastery in Bodhgaya, we had beautiful kitchen, based mostly on rice and vegetables of course and lots of green tea ,
that is if they gave me a lunch

I'd not eat meat but tasted the fried fish , beautiful again. And then I dreamt of wild fish in my belly looking like snakes . Scary .

[DawgBone]

Posted by l3ol3o (here)
I'm sorry but I don't agree with this idea at all. In fact I would consider it disinformation at its finest.

The yogis have been the spiritual athletes on this planet for at least 4000 years. They have consistently recommended a vegetarian diet. Why do you suppose that is?

Now whether it has anything to do with DNA is another matter. I tend to believe that DNA is just a mechanism for assembling proteins until we have hard scientific evidence that it is more.

But in terms of spiritual practice, the experts say that vegetarianism is important.

[Constance]

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[jorr lundstrom]

Good thread. Ill call the people who Im in contact with who are enlightened and tell them not to eat

meat anymore. I know that carrots scream when they are picked out of the soil.

Its just a question of which frequensis we can hear. To not cause any

suffering maybye we could eat gravel or something like it. I dont know if small

pebbles scream if you eat them. Love and screaming carrots

[Constance]

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[RedeZra]

it's such a waste of energy to eat meat

not only does the body burn more energy to digest meat

but the animals consume much more energy than what they can provide when eaten


the world wastes half of the grain harvest to farm feed animals for slaughter when this grain could provide so much more energy to so many more people

I like my meat

well I like my smoke

still it's just a habit

unless it has become an addiction

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Posted by Constance Neal (here)

Posted by Inelia (here)
If this is the case, then I desist. I can dialogue for hours, but for me to argue, is a waste of time as I do not consider your truth as "wrong" or in any way conflicting or mutually exclusive to "mine". You are, after all, another expression of ME.

Go for it...

It's like watching someone argue with the sky.

[Belle]

Posted by Constance Neal
What I have said and will say again, is that we all need to be able to agree about what we want, now and forever, for every single last man, woman and child on this planet so that we can move in the direction that we need to.

Could you please expand on this, Constance? I'm trying to understand why...for what purpose do we need to move in a particular direction?

[ponda]

Here's a little story of mine.

The last time that i ate meat was on Christmas day in 2008.I was living in a compound of units in La Unuion Province,Luzon Island,Philippines.I had had a recent meat craving that had been building up for a few weeks and so i thought that i would crack and have some meat on xmas day...what the heck i thought...everyone else is doing it.

Anyway i bought some bacon and eggs and cooked them up for chrissie dinner.I do admit i enjoyed the meal after not having had any bacon and eggs for so long.

The unit next to me had been empty for the whole entire time that i had been there which was about 10 months.

The very next week after Christmas the owner of the compound started storing large bags of pig manure in the unit next door to me.Yes you could really smell it when the wind was blowing the right way which was most of the time from the sea breeze.

Never the less i haven't eaten any meat since then and i put what happened down to a case of instant karma and i moved out shortly afterwards.

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by jorr lundstrom (here)
Good thread. Ill call the people who Im in contact with who are enlightened and tell them not to eat

meat anymore. I know that carrots scream when they are picked out of the soil.

Its just a question of which frequensis we can hear. To not cause any

suffering maybye we could eat gravel or something like it. I dont know if small

pebbles scream if you eat them. Love and screaming carrots

The carrots only scream when they see the nostrils they are going up.

As for pebbles, I love hard rock, but I didn't think it would come to mean eating rocks.
Gives a whole new meaning to the term ''getting stoned'', but it would be a bitch on your teeth.

Posted by Whiskey_Mystic (here)

Posted by Constance Neal (here)

Posted by Inelia (here)
If this is the case, then I desist. I can dialogue for hours, but for me to argue, is a waste of time as I do not consider your truth as "wrong" or in any way conflicting or mutually exclusive to "mine". You are, after all, another expression of ME.

Go for it...

It's like watching someone argue with the sky.

I did that once.
Then it peed on me.

[Snowbird]

Odah - What i will say is that i do know or have heard and can believe.. That Meat was forced into our diets in such amounts. As a way to make us much more aggressive. So then yeah you can sell me on eating meat makes it harder to keep a peaceful state.

Lord Sidious # 38 - I read that on this forum the other day.
I have never heard of it before, but you know what? It feels true.
Think about this, the animal has some type of soul/spirit.
We are trying to raise ours to a higher vibration. Eating the animals meat could be seen as a type of exploitation.
That being the case, it would have to harm our efforts.

This is the first time that I have heard this or considered it, but this makes tremendous sense.

I recall hearing about human organ transplant recipients taking on characteristics of their donors even though they had never met. This following article is fascinating and is filled with stories of how transplant recipients changed after receiving donor transplants.


Changes in Heart Transplant Recipients that Parallel the Personalities of Their Donors
by William James, MD

It is generally assumed that learning involves primarily the nervous system and, secondarily, the immune system. Hence, patients receiving peripheral organ transplants should not experience personality changes that parallel those of donors they have never met. When personality changes have been observed following transplants, the kinds of explanations entertained include effects of the immunosuppressant drugs, psychosocial stress, and preexisting psychopathology of the recipients.

However, living systems theory explicitly posits that all living cells possess "memory" and "decider" functional sub-systems within them.

In 1997, a book titled A Change of Heart was published that described the apparent personality changes experienced by Claire Sylvia. Sylvia received a heart and lung transplant at Yale - New Haven Hospital in 1988. She reported noticing that various attitudes, habits, and tastes changed following her surgery. She had inexplicable cravings for foods she previously disliked. For example, though she was a health-conscious dancer and choreographer, upon leaving the hospital she had an uncontrollable urge to go to a Kentucky Fried Chicken and order chicken nuggets, a food she never ate. Sylvia found herself drawn toward "cool" colors and no longer dressed in the bright reds and oranges she used to prefer. She began behaving with an aggressiveness and impetuosity that was uncharacteristic of her, but turned out to be similar to the personality of her donor. Interestingly, uneaten Kentucky Fried chicken nuggets were found in the jacket of the young man when he was killed.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/44348752/C...F-THEIR-DONORS

[TimelessDimensions]

Everything is made from light,

Therefore it does not matter what you eat,

But what intention you use your light.

[Arpheus]

Wow i gotta say this folks and i would like to thank Constance again for this thread because,this brought back some of Avalon's finest back in full motion in here and i love what i see from all who posted here really i do and i mean that,now to concurr with Carmody and many others in one specific aspect because i done it myself as well for a while although i am not doing it right now,i was pure vegan for about 5 6 months or so,what can i say i am weak i am still working on it LOL,like i said in my earlier post i still do a little bit of tuna and shrimp occasionally,but anyway to continue my story those 5 6 months i went pure vegan and also did quite a bit of raw intake as well,the change within me on a spiritual level was so powerful that was almost a scary experience,in a good way tho,i saw things felt things sensed things and dreamed of things that i will NEVER forget in this lifetime and others to come hopefully,so please to say this is disinfo without experiencing it yourself is kind of ignorant and i dont mean to offend anyone by that because i cant think of a better word for that right now.So before you dismiss this and start saying it doesnt shut down your DNA its BS its non sense and its DISINFO do yourself a favor and you wont even have to do it for 5 6 months,go a month or two pure vegan and experience the bliss if you can,because let me tell you its worth it!And if nothing happens go back to your burgers and fries then LOL,now on a more serious note despite the difference of opinions and ego wars going on here i am really enjoying reading this thread and having a blast reading all the posts and man i havent laughed this hard in eons HAH,thanks so much Constance and all who contributed to this thread so far,its been a real honor and i am having DEJA"VU of old Avalon as i read all of this heh,good work folks!

Much peace to all!!

[Arrowwind]

regarding soy this is what weston price has to say. The following is some of the highlights. For the full article go here:
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/708-reply-to-sardi?qh=YTo3OntpOjA7czozOiJzb3kiO2k6MTtzOjM6InNvaSI7aToyO3M6NDoic295cyI7aTozO3M6NzoiZm9ybXVsYSI7aTo 0O3M6ODoiZm9ybXVsYXMiO2k6NTtzOjg6ImZvcm11bGFlIjtpOjY7czoxMToic295IGZvcm11bGEiO30%3D

and another article of interest where Weston Price foundation directly confronts soy advocates.
http://www.westonaprice.org/component/content/article/55-wapf-blog/2006?qh=YTo3OntpOjA7czozOiJzb3kiO2k6MTtzOjM6InNvaSI7aToyO3M6NDoic295cyI7aTozO3M6NzoiZm9ybXVsYSI7aTo0 O3M6ODoiZm9ybXVsYXMiO2k6NTtzOjg6ImZvcm11bGFlIjtpOjY7czoxMToic295IGZvcm11bGEiO30%3D

and by the way studies show that oriental people eat between one and two teaspoons of soy a day, that is 5 to 10 grams... far below what many vegetarians eat who are into eating soy. One certainly should not give it to their kids do to hormonal effects.

and now for the Research on Soy

• A study from Cornell University, published in the Journal of the American College of Nutrition, 1986, which found that children who develop diabetes mellitus were twice as likely to have been fed soy.

• A November 1994 warning published in Pediatrics in which the Nutrition Committee of the American Academy of Pediatrics advised against the use of soy formulas due to the diabetes risk. These warnings have been neglected ever since it was reported that the AAP accepted a multi-dollar donation from the Infant Formula Council for their new headquarters building outside Chicago.

• A 1994 article by Lonnerdal published in Acta Paediatr summarizing the reduced bioavailability of trace minerals due to high phytic acid content in soy infant formula; and high levels of manganese in soy formula compared to cows milk formula and breast milk. Excessive intake of manganese is linked to problems with the central nervous system.

• A 1996 report published in the German magazine Klin Padiatr describing the development of hypocalcemic tetany in an infant fed soy formula.

• Two 1997 studies published in Nutrition and Cancer. One found that phytoestrogens at levels close to probable levels in humans stimulate cellular changes leading to breast cancer; the other found that dietary soy suppressed enzymes protective of breast cancer in mice.

• A 1998 study published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition further confirming that soy-protein supplementation stimulates cell proliferation in human breast tissue.

• A 1998 study published in Cancer Research which found that dietary genistein enhances the growth of mammary gland tumors in mice.

• A 1998 study by Nagata and others published in the Journal of Nutrition which gives daily consumption of tofu in Japan's Gifu prefecture as less than 1 gram per day.

• A 1998 study published in Toxicology and Industrial Health indicating the phytoestrogens are potential endocrine disrupters in males.

• A March 12, 1999 Daily Express article with the headline "Soy Allergy/Adverse Effect Rates Skyrocket - Monsanto's Roundup-Ready Soy Blamed"

• A 1999 study at the Clinical Research Center at MIT, published in the Proceedings of the Annual Meeting of the Pacific Coast Reproductive Society which found that estrogens in soy had no effect on menopausal symptoms such as hot flashes and night sweats.

• May 1999 and June 2000 studies published in Brain Research indicating that phytoestrogens have adverse affects on brain chemistry.

• An April 2000 study published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Science which found that flavonoids, especially genistein, can cross the placenta and induce cell changes that lead to infant leukemia.

• An article published in Nutrition and Cancer 2000 which found lower testosterone levels and higher estrogen levels in Japanese men who consumed higher levels of soy foods.

• Publication in the British Journal of Urology, January 2000, of the study showing a five-time greater risk of delivering a boy with hypospadias, a birth defect of the penis, in mothers who ate a vegetarian diet during pregnancy. The researchers attributed high rates of the birth defect to phytoestrogens in soy products.

• An April 2000 study published in Carcinogenesis found that soy feeding stimulated the growth of rat thyroid with iodine deficiency, partly through a pituitary-dependent pathway.

• A June 2000 article in American Journal of Cardiology which found that soy had no impact on lipid levels in healthy postmenopausal women

• Evidence that disturbing results were omitted from a 1994 study presented to the FDA during the approval process for Roundup Ready Soybeans. Researchers found that raw Roundup Ready meal contained 27 percent more trypsin inhibitor and toasted Roundup Ready meal contained 18 percent more trypsin inhibitor compared to non-genetically manipulated controls.

[Constance]

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[Constance]

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