Eating animal products will shut down your dna

[ponda]

Posted by Arrowwind (here)
regarding soy this is what weston price has to say. The following is some of the highlights. For the full article go here:
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/708-reply-to-sardi?qh=YTo3OntpOjA7czozOiJzb3kiO2k6MTtzOjM6InNvaSI7aToyO3M6NDoic295cyI7aTozO3M6NzoiZm9ybXVsYSI7aTo 0O3M6ODoiZm9ybXVsYXMiO2k6NTtzOjg6ImZvcm11bGFlIjtpOjY7czoxMToic295IGZvcm11bGEiO30%3D

and another article of interest where Weston Price foundation directly confronts soy advocates.
http://www.westonaprice.org/component/content/article/55-wapf-blog/2006?qh=YTo3OntpOjA7czozOiJzb3kiO2k6MTtzOjM6InNvaSI7aToyO3M6NDoic295cyI7aTozO3M6NzoiZm9ybXVsYSI7aTo0 O3M6ODoiZm9ybXVsYXMiO2k6NTtzOjg6ImZvcm11bGFlIjtpOjY7czoxMToic295IGZvcm11bGEiO30%3D

and by the way studies show that oriental people eat between one and two teaspoons of soy a day, that is 5 to 10 grams... far below what many vegetarians eat who are into eating soy. One certainly should not give it to their kids do to hormonal effects.

and now for the Research on Soy

• A study from Cornell University, published in the Journal of the American College of Nutrition, 1986, which found that children who develop diabetes mellitus were twice as likely to have been fed soy.

• A November 1994 warning published in Pediatrics in which the Nutrition Committee of the American Academy of Pediatrics advised against the use of soy formulas due to the diabetes risk. These warnings have been neglected ever since it was reported that the AAP accepted a multi-dollar donation from the Infant Formula Council for their new headquarters building outside Chicago.

• A 1994 article by Lonnerdal published in Acta Paediatr summarizing the reduced bioavailability of trace minerals due to high phytic acid content in soy infant formula; and high levels of manganese in soy formula compared to cows milk formula and breast milk. Excessive intake of manganese is linked to problems with the central nervous system.

• A 1996 report published in the German magazine Klin Padiatr describing the development of hypocalcemic tetany in an infant fed soy formula.

• Two 1997 studies published in Nutrition and Cancer. One found that phytoestrogens at levels close to probable levels in humans stimulate cellular changes leading to breast cancer; the other found that dietary soy suppressed enzymes protective of breast cancer in mice.

• A 1998 study published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition further confirming that soy-protein supplementation stimulates cell proliferation in human breast tissue.

• A 1998 study published in Cancer Research which found that dietary genistein enhances the growth of mammary gland tumors in mice.

• A 1998 study by Nagata and others published in the Journal of Nutrition which gives daily consumption of tofu in Japan's Gifu prefecture as less than 1 gram per day.

• A 1998 study published in Toxicology and Industrial Health indicating the phytoestrogens are potential endocrine disrupters in males.

• A March 12, 1999 Daily Express article with the headline "Soy Allergy/Adverse Effect Rates Skyrocket - Monsanto's Roundup-Ready Soy Blamed"

• A 1999 study at the Clinical Research Center at MIT, published in the Proceedings of the Annual Meeting of the Pacific Coast Reproductive Society which found that estrogens in soy had no effect on menopausal symptoms such as hot flashes and night sweats.

• May 1999 and June 2000 studies published in Brain Research indicating that phytoestrogens have adverse affects on brain chemistry.

• An April 2000 study published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Science which found that flavonoids, especially genistein, can cross the placenta and induce cell changes that lead to infant leukemia.

• An article published in Nutrition and Cancer 2000 which found lower testosterone levels and higher estrogen levels in Japanese men who consumed higher levels of soy foods.

• Publication in the British Journal of Urology, January 2000, of the study showing a five-time greater risk of delivering a boy with hypospadias, a birth defect of the penis, in mothers who ate a vegetarian diet during pregnancy. The researchers attributed high rates of the birth defect to phytoestrogens in soy products.

• An April 2000 study published in Carcinogenesis found that soy feeding stimulated the growth of rat thyroid with iodine deficiency, partly through a pituitary-dependent pathway.

• A June 2000 article in American Journal of Cardiology which found that soy had no impact on lipid levels in healthy postmenopausal women

• Evidence that disturbing results were omitted from a 1994 study presented to the FDA during the approval process for Roundup Ready Soybeans. Researchers found that raw Roundup Ready meal contained 27 percent more trypsin inhibitor and toasted Roundup Ready meal contained 18 percent more trypsin inhibitor compared to non-genetically manipulated controls.

I started using GMO free soy instead of milk on cereals for breaky about 20 years ago and apart from the third head which has just popped up and the arm growing out of my back i'm perfectly fine.

[Constance]

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[Strat]

There are two different discussions going on here that are loosely connected. One is about the optimum diet and the other is simply theoretical.

Both are open to debate, neither are understood fully. The arguments are arising because both parties want to be right, though they don't have access to all of the knowledge available. Go back and note everyone that has had an angry, emotional response, there's not a lot fortunately. Quick, angry responses arise when someone has an opinion they feel passionate about, though they don't have enough information to prove its worth. Be extremely careful when taking these peoples advice, especially if you have children.

So what is the best diet? Is it vegan or not? The examples I've seen have been “what somebody told me, from my experience” examples. There have also been examples of how it isn't natural and that our ancestors can't be proven to have been meat eaters because we weren't alive 'back then.'

My opinion is that I won't blindly take anyones advice on significant dietary changes without concrete evidence. What someone has told them, or how veganism has effected their body is not an ideal reason for me to change my diet. There are two billion people that believe I will burn somewhere that nobody has ever seen for an eternity if I don't do what they do. They have freakishly similar arguments of prayer miracles and how their beliefs have changed their lives.

The argument of dietary choices being 'natural' will vary from person to person. The vary word 'natural' is a topic of its own. I believe historically humans ate animals of various types. 'Guns, Germs, and Steel' has a wealth of knowledge on this. In archaeological digs there are fish hooks found, suggesting they ate fish. Squanto was a native American that taught colonial Americans to use fish bones to fertilize soil. I imagine when they discovered this it was a byproduct of fishing, and that they ate the fish. There's also a native American saying, “Chase two rabbits and lose them both.”

The mega fauna survived 20something ice ages. It wasn't until the humans came around that they died out. There is a lot of debate over this, though I am of the opinion that it was humans that killed them off. I believe it was for food. In archaeological digs, they have found spears in the ribs of woolly mammoths. I believe that our ancestors wouldn't have wasted this meat, and ate it. I doubt they killed all these creatures 'for the hell of it.'

No I wasn't there, so I can't prove it. In the same sense none of you were there, so yall can't disprove it either.

I think the vegan diet is actually the one that is more a recent phenomenon. In areas where people don't have easy access to protein they often have bloated stomachs like you would see with starving people. In this case, it's explained as a result of high volume and low protein. I think veganism works nowadays because of 'nutrient excess,' for lack of a better term. We can get any vitamin, mineral or nutrient rediculously easy. A vegan can get just as much protein as a non vegan through protein powders and whatnot. However, this is not natural (in my book) and certainly was not available 'back in the day.'

For the discussion of ascension, Constance claims a strict vegan diet is the optimum way to go. Not only can one not eat meat, but no eggs, fish, or dairy, nothing remotely involved with animal products. It has been suggested by various members that the animal is suffering, and under stress. Apparently we absorb these emotions when we consume the animal.

I will admit, I don't know much about ascension. I imagine this is another one of those 'open to interpretation' things. I probably know the least about this though, so you all will have to educate me on this, maybe refer me to a good book. I'm reading all the time so you can bet I'll check it out if you recommend it (I saw your earlier recommendation, “Food Revolution”).

I do have a small issue with this though. Deoxyribonucleic acid sounds pretty technical to me. There are people here spouting information without scientific backing, links, or references of any kind. Complex scientific discoveries are being mixed with laymans ideals to form hypothesies. It may not be the case, but if you are trying to get people to try and stop eating meat, this will be a problem to overcome.

It's a reason why I won't stop, though I may be a bit more stubborn than the average cookie.

Koya said something that was incredible that did not fly under my radar. Jake Shields is a vegan. OK, apparently there aren't any other MMA fans here. Jake Shields is one of the baddest mofos walking this earth currently alive. I am a huge Shields fan boy. I was amazed to hear this and looked it up and it's true! He does eat a ton of eggs though. I'm curious if he takes any supplements (do you have an inside scoop Koya?). You guys really don't get it, he's not just any MMA average joe, he's one of the best of the best. Koya was being extremely modest on Jake's behalf. Sorry for the fan boy rant.. Oh yeah, Herschel Walker is a vegan as well and he is a freak of nature (I mean that in a good way). So that is good evidence that the vegan diet may be ideal for these days.

I'm not married to any idea, I'm just looking for truth.

When it comes to us all getting along, it's on you guys. I like you guys and would never insult or shun you because of what you eat come lunchtime. That's absurd!

[s3nru]

Posted by Strat (here)
Koya said something that was increadible that did not fly under my radar. Jake Shields is a vegan. OK, apparently there aren't any other MMA fans here. Jake Shields is one of the baddest mofos walking this earth currently alive. I am a huge Shields fan boy. I was amazed to hear this and looked it up and it's true! He does eat a ton of eggs though. I'm curious if he takes any supplements (do you have an inside scoop Koya?). You guys really don't get it, he's not just any MMA average joe, he's one of the best of the best. Koya was being extremely modest on Jake's behalf. Sorry for the fan boy rant.. Oh yeah, Herschel Walker is a vegan as well and he is a freak of nature (I mean that in a good way). So that is good evidence that the vegan diet may be ideal for these days.

Yah Jake Shields, Jon Fitch, and i think Mac Danzig is another fighter who are veg if not vegan.

I still think 1/4lbs with diet coke in a plastic bottle and Wiley's five magic words are a much more potent tool for ascension.

[Chicodoodoo]

Posted by Constance Neal (here)
We could produce all sorts of evidence to back up our claims but this is one hot potato. How far do you think we would get with them before they got stashed away somewhere. Never to be seen again? People who provide evidence for something they know about often end up dead...or imprisoned. Any bright ideas?

It would seem to me that the safest thing to do is for someone to anonymously post all the evidence available into the public domain (Internet).

Without evidence, the claim is so broad and so vague, it can hardly be taken seriously. Most people eat some animal products, and their DNA appears to function just fine. Those few that don't eat animal products don't appear to be any different. Since there are no differences that are evident or obvious, there is a definite need for some kind of evidence. Wouldn't you agree?

[Omni]

Posted by Constance Neal (here)

Posted by Belle (here)

Posted by Constance Neal
What I have said and will say again, is that we all need to be able to agree about what we want, now and forever, for every single last man, woman and child on this planet so that we can move in the direction that we need to.

Could you please expand on this, Constance? I'm trying to understand why...for what purpose do we need to move in a particular direction?

Brian Schaefer has discovered a way to wake up the brain so that we are using it 100%. We all have this potential. The outcome of this is literally, a paradise on earth, or a heaven-on-earth. By sharing in the 27 "common passions", we can start over again and experience this to its fullest potential.

I think using 10% well is better than using 100% in any way you can. But I am interested. Has he taught this to you? How do you know what you are saying is truth? Did he get his brain monitored and make some news?

Honestly I'm skeptical of your claims of this person. I'm not sure we'd even want to use 100% of our brain at once... It's probably a lot more complex than a bigger % = better. Do you want to use 100% of the capability of a computer at once? Might be a hint it's not optimal. But a small one.

[Teakai]

Posted by Strat (here)
I think the vegan diet is actually the one that is more a recent phenomenon.

Hi Strat, I know you said vegan, but I don't know if you feel the same about vegetarian diet- but, what you said reminded me that a vegetarian diet - or maybe it was vegan (it didn;t specify that part) is recommended in the bible - which, if it wasn't put together in the 14th century as Anatoly Fomenko puts forth, then it's not such a new age idea. I'll go and try to find the spot where I found it and put it up here.

Edit to add:

Found it in the book of Daniel - definitely sounds vegan.


"11 Daniel then said to the guard whom the chief official had appointed over Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael and Azariah, 12 “Please test your servants for ten days: Give us nothing but vegetables to eat and water to drink. 13 Then compare our appearance with that of the young men who eat the royal food, and treat your servants in accordance with what you see.” 14 So he agreed to this and tested them for ten days.
15 At the end of the ten days they looked healthier and better nourished than any of the young men who ate the royal food. 16 So the guard took away their choice food and the wine they were to drink and gave them vegetables instead. "

[Raven]

Here is a poem I like by Jane Roberts from her book of poetry titled "If We Live Again or Public Magic and Private Love"

Kitchen

Beast, fish, bird and lettuce,
we ask your blessing and forgiveness
who transform your trust
into our flesh,
yet I laugh at your wisdom.
Entering us, you ascend
the stairs of the molecules;
Looking out through our eyes,
you prepare the meat and vegetables.
Who laughs?

[Constance]

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[panopticon]

G'day Constance,

You are arguing a strong position from a place of personal inner truth and while I respectfully disagree with your position (as is my sovereign right as an individual) I would like to applaud your calm approach.
I would, however, like to direct you to this page concerning the 10% vs 100% brain use question. Please do not think I am being condescending directing you to a page entitled "Neuroscience For Kids" as that was not my intent or purpose. I found the information straight forward and as I am a non-scientist I thought it might help.

I understand your point of view and the point of view as presented by others.
It is the 'brain use percentage' question I am addressing here (not the meat/DNA dialogue).
Yes it could be argued that 90% of the brains capacity is unmeasurable by our (human) technology if the need is that important...
I personally feel the 10% story needs to be accepted as an urban myth...
Off to have a nice hot dinner (it is belting down outside).

Kind Regards,
Panopticon

[Calz]

Posted by Constance Neal (here)
Has he shared with me the ABC's of his work? Yes.

Has he had his brain monitored? Yes.

How do I know what I am saying is the truth?

I wouldn't be sharing what I know if I didn't feel it to be the truth now would I?

If your skeptical about Brian's discoveries I am not going to try to convince you otherwise. What would be the point to that?

Has your friend Brian shared his work publically beyond what you have shared here?

Thank you (again) for sticking with this thread

[astrid]

Constance, why don't you ask Brian Schaefer to join us here so he can speak for himself???

He sounds like someone that would be very interesting to dialogue with.

Besides, this whole implied Brain says X therefore we should follow,

is kind of creeping me out.

If u are wanting us to take a look at this man's work, then let's see it.

[DarkSai]

I dont think that eating animal products, in itself, slows down own's progress. I think it just makes it a bit harder when one has physical factor relating to a lack of focus and ability to think clearly, discern, etc. I would analogise it with writing exams; having a healthy diet will certainly help you stay on your toes in the exam room, but if you haven't studied well enough, it's not gonna do one bit to help you pass.

[modwiz]

Posted by Agape (here)
Disinformation eh . What about intelligent life elsewhere in the Universe ? Advanced beings there do not eat one another mostly ..but again,
sorry you were disinformed.
What about any first hand knowledge ? From whom ? Mainstream science and media perhaps ?
Will they let you know ?


Maybe half of the civilisation diseases could be well cured if people gave up on meet eating, there you have it, your organs can't stand all the protein uptake, your hormones are messed up, look at the populace, if it all would be so healthy as you claim .

I used to think getting one nasty cold a year was good health. Once I dropped my critters it was about three years later that I realized I had not been sick once. I have had about 5 colds in 21 years of my current meatless diet and in each case some outside stress factor, ( prolonged lack of sleep, too much junk food or emotional issues) that was the cause. I had not been exposed to a "sick" person. Conversely, in my profession of massage therapy, I am often exposed to people in varying stages of beginning or getting over a bout with something and I do not give it a second thought and am unaffected. I am fearless when it comes to others' illnesses and two decades have shown me to be correct.

There is no doubt state of mind and "knowing" you are immune helps boost the system even more. The hygiene that results from not having a rotting carcass traveling through your intestines is not fully understood by many. This is especially true in the medical field.

[Constance]

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[Constance]

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[Humble Janitor]

Sounds like more vegetarian/vegan propaganda.

This time, they want to use the ascension process against meat-eaters so that they can feel superior in a way.

I'm not buying it.

Everything in moderation is better than nothing at all.

[modwiz]

Posted by Constance Neal (here)

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)

Posted by Constance Neal (here)
Has he shared with me the ABC's of his work? Yes.

Has he had his brain monitored? Yes.

How do I know what I am saying is the truth?

I wouldn't be sharing what I know if I didn't feel it to be the truth now would I?

If your skeptical about Brian's discoveries I am not going to try to convince you otherwise. What would be the point to that?

Has your friend Brian shared his work publically beyond what you have shared here?

Thank you (again) for sticking with this thread

You are very welcome

He has started sharing the ABC's of his work again with people at seminars and workshops.

He had to go underground for a while because the authorities didn't like what he had to say at all... but he is now back again.

He would like to be interviewed by Kerry and Bill together.

That would be some interview if it could happen. It would be a study in human behavior not seen since "Charles" was here.

[Calz]

Posted by Constance Neal (here)

He has started sharing the ABC's of his work again with people at seminars and workshops.

He had to go underground for a while because the authorities didn't like what he had to say at all... but he is now back again.

He would like to be interviewed by Kerry and Bill together.

Sounds fascinating.

I hope it can come together

[Maria Stade]

Humble Janitor
Sounds like more vegetarian/vegan propaganda.

This time, they want to use the ascension process against meat-eaters so that they can feel superior in a way.

I must agree !
Witch haunt in disguise ....

People will ascend no matter what they eat all other saying is nonsens/BS !

And I can assure that the rest will follow natural as all is about energy and wibration !

The diet will change as the senses will not tolerate od tastes in food some will even be repellent !