The sinking of Japan 5 years before the March 11 earthquake

[Hervé]

Posted by Arrowwind (here)
I dont know how you can say it would have already happened. We seem to be waiting to see if there is a staw that will break the camel's back...
Shifting to the side or shifting downward is not the issue.... the issue is over 900 quakes now... We did not have 900 quakes in my area.. it only took one to drop 12 feet... you can go and look and see where the earth had been along the mountain side and where it is no longer.

It's from the model Dutchsinse uses of flatening bubbles. With the 900+ EQs which the area was pummeled with, I don't think there would be many bubbles left unpoked (again check out http://www.japanquakemap.com/# ).

Regarding your 12' displacement, if that's from California and the San Andrea's fault zone; the latter is subvertical and would reflect a vertical relative component, i.e. either one side dropped, the other was uplifted or the whole thing got incrementally dropped or uplifted. I have no data on the absolute displacement.

Hope this helps?

[Yoda]

Posted by Odah (here)
Abuse of logic.. 5 meter change in sea level = land sinking 5 meters .. hell in some places there was a 30 meter change in see level .. didn't meant those places sank 30 meters before the tsunami hit. This report is prior to the big tsunami's hitting .

for a tsunami to hit land the sea level first has to rise quite a bit .. i am sure that if parts of the coast of japan sunk 20 feet under the osean there would have been quite a few interesting report.. The earthquake was so bad this town is now under the ocean.

so again during and earthquake water gets pushed up and then sent off in many directions ..so that would be why the sea level rose five meters . then when it gets closer to shore it gets pushed up even higher.

So until you post you tube videos of sections of cities submerges under 10-20 feet of water .. which you should be able to find if they are there. then i will take the the sea level change as the normal part of a tsunami

Well, I guess NHK must have made a freudian slip, when they explained that the high tide markers had to be moved. Not to worry, the water will come in slower than the tsunamy.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=RLD40...eature=related

Pierre

[Odah]

why i am so stubborn on this is that last week people on this board where trying to get me to believe that the quake was cause by an ancient sumerian super device that we invade iraq to steal from them . people have been claiming haarp was involved. this whole time .. Now your trying to say japan is sinking . when even after a 9.0 earthquake there is no sign of .

I am more worried about what will happen when the activity shifts from the west side of the pacific plate to the east side of the pacific plate.. which should happen.

[Hervé]

Posted by Yoda (here)
Well, I guess NHK must have made a freudian slip, when they explained that the high tide markers had to be moved. Not to worry, the water will come in slower than the tsunamy.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=RLD40...eature=related

Pierre

Hi Pierre!

What I got from the video is a warning for a high-tide. Fails to mention if the flood warning is for reclaimed low lands now unprotected due to jetties and tsunami walls currently in a bad state of disrepair.

I would love to get my hands on absolute data... would you have any?

Thx

[Odah]

Ok yoda .. I will admit that there is probably some drop in sea level of earthquake hit areas especially areas that where built on landfill. whic would be expected. but no sign of the entire island sinking.

If you will Entertain the thought thet the warning of a 5 meter change in sea level after the earthquake .. was part of the tsunami warning system. and not an alert that some city had suddenly dropped 5 meters below see level. this is the information the nhk reporters are trained to broadcast.

% meter change in sea level = big tsunami comming people get to higher ground

[Yoda]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by Yoda (here)
Well, I guess NHK must have made a freudian slip, when they explained that the high tide markers had to be moved. Not to worry, the water will come in slower than the tsunamy.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=RLD40...eature=related

Pierre

Hi Pierre!

What I got from the video is a warning for a high-tide. Fails to mention if the flood warning is for reclaimed low lands now unprotected due to jetties and tsunami walls currently in a bad state of disrepair.

I would love to get my hands on absolute data... would you have any?

Thx

I don't read Japanese, but the closest I can get, is reference to the Japanese Geographical Survey Institute. They admit that the Japanese archipelago has moved 5.3 meters closer to the trench, and has sunk by 1.2 meters.

http://poleshift.ning.com/profiles/b...thquake-caused

Pierre

[Hervé]

Posted by Yoda (here)
I don't read Japanese, but the closest I can get, is reference to the Japanese Geographical Survey Institute. They admit that the Japanese archipelago has moved 5.3 meters closer to the trench, and has sunk by 1.2 meters.

http://poleshift.ning.com/profiles/b...thquake-caused

Pierre

Thank you for the info.

However, I am gona have to take it with a boulder of salt:

This site is very closely associated with: http://www.zetatalk.com/ which contains a vast amount of information being relayed by the Zetas in answer to questions posed to their emissary, Nancy Lieder. The "Zetas" are a alien species, originating from the zeta reticuli star system, and inform mankind about the coming earth changes. http://www.zetatalk.com/nancybio.htm

... taken from their main page.

Back on the hunt for verifiable data...

[Arrowwind]

Posted by Arrowwind (here)

Posted by Yoda (here)
[This sounds like some official warning.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=BC5axgP41Fg

Pierre

There you have it, a five meter change in sea level in some areas. thats 16 feet, guys, nothing to snuff at. So thats at least confirmed.. sinking has been going on.

Seems I did not listen carefully enough to this video... sorry
this 5 meter change was related to tsunami effect

[Hughe]

If the ruling class of Japan are so caught-up or under control of monstrous TPTB, many Japanese will perish. 100 million is right there.

I'm sorry to say this that Japan will sink soon or later. The question is WHEN.
I only hope humanity will be united before it happens and save most of Japanese when it will occur. China, Korea, Russia are the neighbor countries. Few hours by ship, 5-10 minutes by air travel distance from Korea.

The condition of land sink is simple. When the land matches to water level, it's submerged under water.

[Arrowwind]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by Arrowwind (here)
I dont know how you can say it would have already happened. We seem to be waiting to see if there is a staw that will break the camel's back...
Shifting to the side or shifting downward is not the issue.... the issue is over 900 quakes now... We did not have 900 quakes in my area.. it only took one to drop 12 feet... you can go and look and see where the earth had been along the mountain side and where it is no longer.

It's from the model Dutchsinse uses of flatening bubbles. With the 900+ EQs which the area was pummeled with, I don't think there would be many bubbles left unpoked (again check out http://www.japanquakemap.com/# ).

Regarding your 12' displacement, if that's from California and the San Andrea's fault zone; the latter is subvertical and would reflect a vertical relative component, i.e. either one side dropped, the other was uplifted or the whole thing got incrementally dropped or uplifted. I have no data on the absolute displacement.

Hope this helps?

This was in Idaho in the 80's sometime... straight down it went. YOu can walk the area and see it for yourself.. come on out. You can stay at my place.

[Odah]

i post this video i saw it on this board or another one a month ago... now here is the thing. Like i say.. i do see the probability that recalimed land ..land built on landfill would sink with earthquakes and more earthquakes. i am still in doubt if any place in the world would be safe if there was activity going on that could sink japan.

Here is the vid https://youtube.com/watch?v=d6jLHjcRwDU

So evacuating 150 million people based off a few scatterd prophasies seems a little extreme .

Do we start evacuating californie and the the entire middle of the us along the new madrid fault because we have profasies that it will becoem an inland sea ?

[Hervé]

Posted by Arrowwind (here)
This was in Idaho in the 80's sometime... straight down it went. YOu can walk the area and see it for yourself.. come on out. You can stay at my place.

Oooops... that would make for quite a wide San Andrea's fault zone... the whole Cascade, etc...

Are you sure it's not the mountain that went up? Early ascension?

Thank you for the invite!

[Hervé]

All right, into better correlated data:

From: http://www.zmescience.com/other/japa...ained-2129863/

If you’re looking for an easy to understand scientific explanation about the formation of the devastating quake and tsunami that devastated Japan this Friday, you’d better read Dr. John Ebel‘s theory from below, Professor of geophysics and director of Weston Observatory of Boston College.
“We had an earthquake caused by the Pacific Ocean plate sliding under the Asian plate and as it slides under the Asian plate is pushed up…

Emphasis mine.

From: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0316152756.htm

By analysing over 500 GPS stations, the GFZ scientists Rongjiang Wang and Thomas Walter have found that horizontal displacements of up to five meters in an eastern direction occurred at the east coast of Japan. The cause lies in the earthquake zone, i.e. at the contact interface of the Pacific plate with Japan. Computer simulations of this surface show that an offset of up to 25 meters occurred during the earthquake. Calculations of the GFZ modeling group headed by Stephan Sobolev even yielded a displacement of up to 27 meters and a vertical movement of seven meters. This caused an abrupt elevation in the deep sea, and thus triggered the tsunami. The images of the GPS displacement vectors and the computer simulations can also be found among the online material provided by the GFZ.

(click on picture for larger view)

The right figure shows the slip of the Eurasian plate relative to the Pacific plate, inverted from the surface displacement data measured by more than 500 GPS stations, which are shown in the left figure. The max. horizontal and vertical GPS displacements are 5.24 m and 1.13 m, respectively. The correlation between the measured and modelled displacements is 99%. The earthquake magnitude (Mw) derived from the slip model is 8.9, in a good agreement with the seismological observation. The small red triangles in the right figure show the volcanoes. So far there is no indication for increased volcano activities.
picture: GFZ, Rongjiang Wang and Thomas Walter

Here is the modelling at the time of the jolt:

The source of the earthquake, i.e. the relative displacement between the continental shelves during the quake, can be reconstructed using GPS measurements. If this is known, the vertical displacement on the sea floor can in turn be calculated, which in this case occured over an area about 500 km long and 100 km wide. This rise of the sea floor of up to 7 meters was the cause of the tsunami. Image: Andreas Hoechner, GFZ

What remains unclear to me is if the GPS derived displacements are permanent or an amplified jolt?

Back on data hunt...

[Arrowwind]

Posted by Odah (here)
Do we start evacuating californie and the the entire middle of the us along the new madrid fault because we have profasies that it will becoem an inland sea ?

One must follow their gut. I evacuated myself from California in 78 for exactly this reason..and I have never regretted it. Most adults in Ca. are aware of the risk. they make the choices they make for a multitude of reasons.

and yes, I think most of us here realize that if Japan sinks, if it gets that bad it will be very bad in many many places.

[Odah]

we are really screwed if atlantis reemerges.. because i9 go with the theory that atlantis now lies under the ice of antactica ..hehe.. now if all that ice melts !!!

[Humble Janitor]

I think that people need to look at the hard data before drawing such "conclusions".

I do not see Japan sinking during my lifetime. I don't understand why people keep pushing that fear. Do they wish for this to happen?

[East Sun]

I am a big fan of Edgar Cayce who made predictions while in a deep trance back in the 30s, 40s.
He talked about Atlantis in detail and about things to come soon. He said that Japan would be covered by water. But he also mentioned California, NY City and other places.

If you are interested in this sort of prophesy you would be interested in what he has predicted.

[truthseekerdan]

Well, Cayce's predictions are fulfilled right in front of our eyes, even though they are a bit later in time than he predicted 'em.

[Patrikas]

Posted by Odah (here)
we are really screwed if atlantis reemerges.. because i9 go with the theory that atlantis now lies under the ice of antactica ..hehe.. now if all that ice melts !!!

It would be very interesting indeed to see what is there at both poles

[Hervé]

All rigth, finally getting to real numbers and what they are actually related to.



"Displacement" has been Machiavelically mixed up by youtubers -- posters and googlers -- in all possible manners for doom and gloom. The above diagrams depict, for the first one -- right side, the relative motion of the blocks along the fault plane which is assumed subparallel to the subduction plane plunging westward (solid black arrows, top right in diagram below).

The second, top right, diagram; gives the vertical uplift of the west compartment (6-7 meters at epicenter) and a slight downward tilt of that block near the coast.



As for the "sinking," and the flood warning in the coming high-tides, here are the measured data:

That's 50 cm -- half a meter; but only in the Honshu coastal area.

Hence, no indications that japan, in its entirety, is "sinking."

But the island margin sure rose: 6-7 meters!

Additional data from: http://www.jma.go.jp/jma/en/News/2011_spring_tide.html