Integrity

[Ross]

Hello all,

Perhaps these posts I dragged out of the archives may be of help with this current thread...perhaps.

But before you read them:

None of us are equipped fully, (yet) with operating from the highest good all of the time. That place in us all, that does understand this essence, is always tested. Some days we are at our best, others we are far from it.

Underneath it all, we are fundermentally the same as each other.

Your continuing journey towards understanding yourself, understanding that you only have control over yourself, understanding that you are leading by example for all around you to witness, understanding "what you think you create" understanding that the key is already in you.

The greatest challenge we ever face in this life is ourselves! period. That is our most worthy task, what you are and become, radiates outwardly (at any given moment) You are the greatest investment you will ever make. Invest wisely

The above is centered around "the one thing we should focus our efforts on"... and that is ourselves.

Our intention is the key, with anything we choose to do through our life. Understanding the role of "observer" with yourself, is a great skill to practice. Often we can fail to think about "what we are thinking" and this can remove the process of "what exactly are my intentions here". When we give ourselves time to observe our "thinking" we can better invest in what our intentions are. (the greater good)

Nobody really enjoys operating with intentions that are unhealthy, often, after the fact, we do realise that our response was that of reaction and not an intentional act of "our higher essence". We are all subject to reacting, we all do it and need to forgive ourselves and that of others who fall into this seemingy automatic response mode.

Our intention is the groundwork (investment) for the manifestation of our next moments reality. Invest wisely.

EDIT TO ADD: Intention of a "higher essence" (we all have it) is part of the groundwork for integrity.

Peace to you all.

We can all "fall from grace" and we can all offer profound wisdom. This is the current paradox or duality, as it were.

This is my humble attempt at offering some wisdom to the community and a reminder to myself.

Regards,

Ross.

[sandy]

Regards Ross,

That is awesome, thank you for your post

[Belle]

Posted by truthseekerdan (here)
Love is the one thing that cannot be divided by an inflated ego because of its integrity. Where there is integrity, there is completeness. Where their is completeness, there is wholeness. Where there is wholeness, there is reality. When something is real, it is truth.

Blessings to All

Your post brought to mind the following from ACIM:

Nothing real can be threatened.
Nothing unreal exists.
Herein lies the peace of God.

[skippy]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=qn0iP1pAr_4

[jp11]

I'm having a hard time getting the message to copy from Bill #338 "Listen up, Folks: here is an example of where I draw the line.

Céline wrote here:

http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/showt...ll=1#post10203"

When all this mess happened a while back I was shocked, saddened and disappointed that in this community personal egos could come to play out as such...but then as Ross and others have said, we all have challenges from time to time. I was offended and angered by Céline many times before they were asked to leave...and I did go to Nexus to read some of what was said in recent posts. When I saw this by Céline, even before I saw Bill quoted it, I again saw what disturbed me before. And thank you Chris for the reminder that in time it will all play out in ones life, what is put out will indeed come back.

But my question to you Bill, were the most recent members asked to leave because of what was posted and/or thanked at another forum? If so, I find this disappointing as well. I do agree that integrity is most evident by what one does when no one is watching, but to ban someone from Avalon because of what was written at Nexus begs the question about integrity. I don't want to assume anything, just asking a question.

I have followed you and Kerry for quite a few years, shortly after PC was created. I admire, respect, and appreciate both of you immensely. I've done a lot of work on myself, seeing when my ego is reacting, and reading this thread has been an adventure in observing that in action.

[benevolentcrow]

I try not to hurt anything or anyone. I once tried to be nice to a wasp and not kill him, not a wise decision. I was stung by the wasp, at that point pain and anger took over and he was squashed. Drastic action was taken on my part. I now look at wasps in a different light and steer clear of them or let them out of my house to fly elsewhere to cause to pain or live there life at a new location. Moral of the story live and learn... All experiences leads to wisdom. Life is a learning process for all of us.

Experience is not what happens to a man. It is what a man does with what happens to him. ~Aldous Leonard Huxley

The road to wisdom?
Well, it's plain
and simple to express:
Err
and err
and err again
but less
and less
and less.
~Piet Hein

[Hypothetical]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Folks, note what Inelia mentions about the separation: this is my observation as well. And it may well continue to manifest in various ways over the next couple of years.

Ultimately, of course, we're all in this together. I stand for every being in the universe, whatever their history, anger or pain.

But before we get that all handled, we need to organize in strong groups, and maybe not everyone can be a part of that in its initial stages.

Charity begins at home, and some people on Planet Earth have to clean themselves up first a little (or bring themselves up to speed) before they're in a position to fully support others.

This is not the kind of thing that some people like to hear: but it's true.

Let's set the lead by taking the high road. No sense of debating this if someone is blatantly saying negatives to others ask them to leave if they continue remove them. No need to discuss the matter beyond that. Let's not fuel Egos need for dominance. Close this thread and move on! we all will be better off.

[jorr lundstrom]

Now I know wot happened to Modwiz, and why. Thank you.

[Lifesong]

Have you ever known anyone who in any given situation may have assumed the worst of you, even though they knew the best of you? It feels to me like there's been an abundance of this kind of energy in the air lately. Especially between forums.

Anyway, I think integrity also includes gratitude.

This is for Bill and for Modwiz, GoldenYears and all of the other familiar screen names I've seen recently reading the Nexus forum links in this thread:

My gratitude to you all for your words, your friendship, for sharing your hearts and your thoughts. I see the best of you.


“Let us rise up and be thankful, for if we didn’t learn a lot today, at least we learned a little, and if we didn’t learn a little, at least we didn’t get sick, and if we got sick, at least we didn’t die; so, let us all be thankful.”
~Buddha, a great soul…

“Saying thank you is more than good manners. It is good spirituality”
~Alfred Painter….

“Gratitude is a vaccine, an antitoxin, and an antiseptic”
~John Henry Jowett

“Gratitude is not only the greatest of virtues, but the parent of all the others.”
~Cicero..

” Kindness trumps greed: it asks for sharing. Kindness trumps fear: it calls forth gratefulness and love. Kindness trumps even stupidity, for with sharing and love, one learns.
~Marc Estrin

” Let us be grateful to people who make us happy; they are the charming gardeners who make our souls blossom.
~Marcel Proust..

[edina]

"Integrity is what you do when no one is looking."

Thank you Dennis, I think this also defines transparency. Which means, since you have nothing to hide, you don't mind people looking. When people ask honest questions, or have honest concerns, they get honest answers.

I find that when a person is clear about themselves, their own inner motivations, and feelings, when they take ownership of their thoughts, emotions, feelings, attitudes, perceptions, actions, and reactions; they become very responsive and accountable to their own inner and highly dynamic world, they become equally responsive to their outer world, as well, this includes their other selves.

I have discovered that these people are consistently very accepting of the people around them. They do not feel a need police their friends.

These people are very comfortable being forthright, genuine, honest, direct.
They are comfortable with self examination.
They have embrace their humanity.
And therefore they are very comfortable with the humanity in other people.

If they have had their feelings hurt by someone, they do the reasonable and emotionally mature thing, they take that hurt to the person who hurt them and make an honest and genuine attempt to repair and reconcile.

The meaning of what they say is clear, there is no obfuscation or murkiness in their words. People can trust that what they say is what they mean. People around them do not have to wonder about their cryptic meaning. And when people ask for clarity they make a good hearted attempt at trying to be clearer.

I, too value this.

I discovered many years ago that I also I value authenticity, over politeness.

I prefer to deal with people who are very real, even if they be a bit messy at times.

I find I have very little patience for people who chose to manipulate others, no matter now noble their cause.

I am weighing in on these matters very seriously right now.

When I first joined Avalon, there was much discussion about Avalon as a model for community.

In fact, I believe it was initially founded with the ground crew community idea at the forefront of its mission.

It's true, forums evolve. However, in the short time I have been a member of this community. It has evolved from a community of many to a house of one.

All based on a metaphor, that in all honesty has gone awry.

It's important to remember that a metaphor, or analogy is not reality, any more that a map of a mountain, is the mountain.

If we want a model for this forum; I no longer consider it a community of souls, that has somehow been hi-jacked over the past two months; if we want to model this forum on some sort of a metaphor or analogy, may I suggest a new model.

Nature.
Nature, the wonderful Diversity of Oneness.
Nature is inherently balanced.
Nature is inclusive of all Life.
Nature is eternally forgiving.
Nature simply allows life to be what Life is.
Nature is raw, wild, real, and transparent. What you see is what you get.
I cannot think of anything else that has more integrity than Nature.

I'm certain there are more ways we can play with this.

Consider this for a moment, which I now know is 3 seconds, per a thread that I read that was posted by Swami in the Nexus Forum.

Breathe in, pause,....................................................exhale and relax.

Deep Peace to all involved.

[Gone001]

Hello Everrrbody,

This whole thing seems so strange now. It's like a glove that once fit perfectly but it's somehow shrunk so when you put it on it feels somehow uncomfortable and different from before. This thread is a good example of the new tone that is apparent whenever logging into Avalon. Here's integrity...here's it's definition...now have some or go. Act accordingly or find yourself on the chopping block like so and so and so. I must admit I'm not that sad to see some of the members that have gone go, some I am though; Some were great and some were sorely belligerent.

I myself have been in a couple scuffles on this site. Some were fairly silly and I mostly engaged for reasons purely of pride. Other situations were completely different. There have been times when I've seen members posting who upon reading there posts I find myself feeling ill. What intensity's this ill feeling is on occasion people actually pay attention to what these people may be saying. On those occasions I've engaged these members (And I don't name names) for the simple reason of forcing them to show their true colors or lack of actual knowledge; for you see I can't hand out bans. At these times it's my perception that I'm doing the right thing for my community even though my community may not view it that way at the time for they perceive from another place.

It's not something I find at all fun. I find engaging to be completely tiring and at times when doing it you bring yourself down to the level of those you engage. Sometimes the ends justify the means though... sometimes they don't but there's always an accompanying sense of urgency that comes when trying to stay true to yourself and your perception of what is right. With this in mind integrity is unique to how the individual perceives what is right and must be accompanied with pure, untainted logic.

This is Bill's website. He'll do what he has to do based on his perception of integrity. Without knowing everything he knows or how he feels it's hard for another creature such as myself to say if he's completely right or wrong. I know that I disagree with his actions at times. I also agree with his actions at times. Mostly I feel things are off though... like my now too tight glove that once fit so perfectly. I suppose soon enough we'll all know if the end justifies the means. Until then we're all just along for the ride, opinions ablaze as we seek to locate the bottom of the never ending rabbit hole.

Cheers,

Aldous

[Tahi]

This is what I agreed too and signed up for:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/foru...me-New-Members

Welcome to Avalon!

Dear New Avalonian,
Welcome to the Project Avalon Forum. We sincerely hope you enjoy your stay.

This forum is a little different in a number of ways:

First of all you had to be invited to get here!

A lot of the forum is hidden to non-members (including this message). There are some readable areas, but most require you to be a member to not only see them, but post as well.

Membership is tiered. This means that the more you post and the longer you've been a member, the more you can do.

Community Groups can now be found on the top menu under Community > Groups.

What happened to the original Avalon Forum?

As happens with many forums, what we now call 'Avalon 1' descended into an uncomfortable degree of chaos. When this happens in a public place (whether physical or virtual), it's always the actions of individuals that perpetrate that.

Much of the time - but not always - this is deliberate. What we can say is that a number of members there were not at the same spiritual and intellectual level and understanding as we hope and believe you are - hence your invitation.

A way forward needed to be found that allowed the message and vision that this forum represents to be preserved and supported by members who are fully in support of all the principles we espouse.

What is that Message and Vision?

In creating this new forum, we're encouraging all members who've been invited here to:

Start or participate in community projects that will radiate out to the members' communities - or

Post information and participate in regards to awakening; spirituality; healing humanity; galactic and earth changes; '2012' (whatever that may mean!); geopolitics; new science; hidden history; ETs and disclosure; what we are not being told by those who might wish to control us - and much else.

Please be proactive in real time in the true spirit of Avalon. Many of you already do, of course. However, we'd like you all to share more about these activities as it will lead to others becoming awakened.

So...

Please do us and this forum proud - and show us the spiritual beings we know you to be.

Please always remember that this is in essence a private party. We value quality, not quantity. We don't aspire to be like Above Top Secret or Godlike Productions (and there are good reasons for that). This private party is a place of learning, awareness, respect, intelligence, community and fun.

We're delighted to have accepted your membership application on the basis of what we believe we understand about you.

Please understand that if we come to understand other aspects which were not apparent when we first started to get to know you, then we may politely ask you to leave.

Please see this clarifying post for a little more about this. As of 19 January 2011, we're regarding all new Avalonians as PROVISIONAL MEMBERS, who we look forward to upgrading after your first few posts once we have a good idea who you are, what your values are, and how you communicate and relate to others.

If we do ask you to leave, we intend no disrespect - and do not intend conflict. It would just be that the moderator team, working closely together, would have reached the decision that the invitation may have been a mistake and that you may be more satisfied communicating and contributing elsewhere.

A note about the one aspect of the forum which is more controversial than any other: that of channeled messages. The moderator team, fully supported by myself, have made the decision to post a disclaimer on threads on that particular subforum.

My personal opinion, which is fairly well-informed, is that many channeled messages offer many nice words and plenty of saccharine hope - but little of substance and in all probability (I'm afraid) little that is real.

There are deep, dark games played here, and there is much deliberate deception both on the physical (electromagnetic) and astral levels. We encourage intelligent inquiry - and discourage proselytizing and anything that smacks of promoting belief systems of any kind.

And in all that, we're all committed to discovering the truth. My personal purpose is to support that in happening - wherever that leads.

*******

To see the rest of the forum and enable you to post, simply reply to this thread as acknowledgement.

The system will detect the reply. Within 10 minutes, your title will automatically change to Avalon Junior Member and you will be activated.

And for those of you who were long-time senior members of the original Avalon, you'll probably find that you will be manually upgraded to Senior Member by one of the team in due course. I would also encourage you to re-post here your best threads from Avalon 1 so that the new forum may enjoy them. We welcome that.

Once again, welcome aboard. Post your reply, and we'll see you on the other side.

Bill Ryan and the Project Avalon Forum Team

[araucaria]

Dear Lord Sidious
To mangle a quote, 'We want to get out of this thread'! Please do so, I think one of your useful posts on some other subject of substance would be a more appropriate response to this, i.e. discourse not more metadiscourse.

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
What do we want to get out of this thread?
More people get the boot?
We turn on each other?
We do the work that others would like and have the cohesian we are trying to build shot to ribbons?
I find this all disappointing.

[Jendayi]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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Listen up, Folks: here is an example of where I draw the line.

Céline wrote here:

http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/showt...ll=1#post10203

dont come to canada, bill and inelia. I promise you both that I will expose you as frauds if you attempt to peddle your snake oil here...

The Avalon members (aroundthetable, goldenyears and modwiz) who thanked that post revealed their real views. That's fine, of course - but they also communicated clearly that Avalon is not an appropriate community for them to be members. If someone just doesn't understand that, there's not a lot more I can do to explain.

Bill, don't be disingenuous, you are quoting part of a post.
How do you know they agreed with the post in its entirety?
Or if in part? And if in part, which part?
Things are starting to get into the surreal now.
It is almost like the twilight zone.
I would have to think it is carrot time again, except I am not sure who to carrot first.

hi m'lord... i would like a carrot... just to get me back on my feet again...

[Jendayi]

Posted by celt (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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Listen up, Folks: here is an example of where I draw the line.

Céline wrote here:

http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/showt...ll=1#post10203

dont come to canada, bill and inelia. I promise you both that I will expose you as frauds if you attempt to peddle your snake oil here...

The Avalon members (aroundthetable, goldenyears and modwiz) who thanked that post revealed their real views. That's fine, of course - but they also communicated clearly that Avalon is not an appropriate community for them to be members. If someone just doesn't understand that, there's not a lot more I can do to explain.

Very interesting the whole post seems to be somewhat poisonous, I’m shocked and somewhat saddened that these people would turn on the Avalon community. Attacking anyone in such away is wrong and destroys the ideal of unity and respect Avalon stands for, it seems i may have been fooled into calling them friends; acting in such a way helps no one and tarnishes all involved.

even our closest friend will lash out at us some times... especially when they feel that we have done something wrong to them...
it does not mean they are right (or wrong for that matter) it means they are hurting... and they don't see other ways of expressing it (at that time)
we all love our mothers... however.. haven't we caused them a lot of pain when we were younger? haven't we denied our fathers? some of us have beaten or cursed at our parents and loved ones... not because we hate them... but because we were in pain... blinded by our own emotions... regardless of the validity of the cause of these emotions, they are still there.. wanting to be resolved...

[greybeard]

I have pasted this in as I think it is a very fair opinion expressed by Ross.

He has the utmost integrity in my opinion.

Chris

Re: Question for Those in The Know

Quote Originally Posted by SEAM View Post
I'm personally glad that Bill "is gently" calling out some of the trolls. I am also frankly surprised how many of the "Wannabe" trolls set up shop in "Dick & gas-Celine's" place, disparage everyone here, then come back here to dish out their "Peace, Love, Brother" routine. There is an unwritten law over there, that to gain acceptance you must dis Bill.

But the bottom line, is "Class and Integrity". You either have it or you don't. It's not a part time gig. I say throw them overboard - useless ballast.

By Ross

This comment deserves a reply:

Firstly, you are displaying exactly what you are complaining about. Dis-ing Bill. You refer to Richard as Dick and Celine as Gas...that my friend is a direct intentional provocation. Seems that is your point?.

I see you are a newish Members here. I will give you some facts. Richard has put more hours into this forum than I can count. His efforts, along with Bill, myself and all of the older Mods, have all contributed greatly, along with the long standing Membership to make this Forum what it is. Bill will be the first, and has done many times, to acknowledge the efforts of Richard and the Team for their long serving contribution.

There have been occasions where I have not agreed with Bill, Richard, Celine and others, but we still got the job done and until the end, an admirable effort done by all.

Celine is still the highest poster here, and the bulk of her posts are more than worthy, and on the most part, stand for what Avalon represents.

Sure things got out of hand towards the end and there are two sides to this story my friend. Both sides can argue the point, as to their perspectives of what went wrong and both sides can have grounds to do so. This is life, this is what can happen and it does.

Bill himself has made errors in judgment, as has Richard, Celine and myself, infact most everyone here and in life, in general, has done so.

disparage everyone here, then come back here to dish out their "Peace, Love, Brother" routine. There is an unwritten law over there, that to gain acceptance you must dis Bill.
Wildly incorrect statement, and one that I will correct.

I wrote this below, a few days back to make clear, to all, what we are endeavouring to do.
In regards to threads there.

The Mod team over at Nexus did discuss this thread (at Nexus) and its potential with it becoming problematic. We watched as it was added to and were ready to engage if it became out of hand. There is one post there that I do personally feel is "below the belt" but in general it is a healthy discussion.

We at Nexus have been well aware of some, who feel it was/is necessary to discuss what "happened" at Avalon. We do have a "perspective" thread there which was a worthy avenue for those to discuss their perspectives. We have allowed "free speech" within the bounds of "keeping it as clean as possible". Mods have publicly posted that Nexus is not to be a "bashing" place but felt it was also necessary to have this avenue for the healing process.
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Below is posted by Fred, a long serving member and Mod here at Avalon, a highly respected Man and one who always offers a wise perspective. This post was greatly appreciated by the Team at Nexus and many of its members. This the general view of the Team and the Membership:
You know, it is very difficult to build something, by tearing something else down.

Yes, I know nature does it all the time; but nature does it without malice.
Beyond nature, the universe takes great delight in giving you more of what annoys you. It's just that honest.

Meanwhile, we have built what we wanted to carry on with.

Our membership grows, at a better rate than we hoped.
We have one of the most comprehensive sections on the tragedy in Japan, and what it means for the world, than I have seen on most of the forums I haunt.
There is more coming on this subject.
We have released our first interview, and have several more scheduled.
Several members have already begun sites that either branch off from ideas here, or will add to what is intended here. (Giving space to create these, and a place for people to meet, grow, and branch off seems a good start at healthy parenthood.)

Those of us who came here, began this site, and did so as a continuation of ideas we could no longer practice elsewhere. If people have issues with that, I can't help it. The good faith effort was made to lay out this idea, and it was rejected. I can tell you that no one was happy about that; but we can't carry that along as we go... it doesn't help.

Thanks to everyone who has helped us with that. That help has been important. It has shown that you really can build something which becomes more than yourself, personally, and collectively. What a wonderful child to set loose upon the world.
Fred
Now...all parties involved in the "moving on" (some were permently removed from Avalon) were all equally hurt along with Bill, after more than 2 years this is expected and emotions gather pace and can produce "reactive" behaviour" we all do it, including Bill.

Yes there are some disgruntled members (a few) who have displayed less than honourable posts, just as some here do...but on the most part the members of both forums offer wonderful contributions.

I believe that if all parties involved, were to sit together, over a cuppa, away from the forums, in each other’s energy, with "real" eye contact, much would be resolved.

All these people involved are inherently good folk, all have the ability to "fall from grace" as it were, we are Human beings with all the greatness and dis-function that goes with it.

Lastly:

Everyone involved with both Forums, and others, are all reading the same book, not always the same page, but all standing on the side of "trying to figure this mess of a world out"

The forum's can be a micro reflection (at times) of the chaotic world we all live within, We are all susceptible to Human behaviour that is not so lovely, but thats how it is. The lesson to understand is we are all connected, good bad and otherwise.

Regards

Ross

[buffski]

I agree Jendayi...there is a lot of hurt still out there and some folks need to let those feelings out, even if at times it would appear harsh.
The recent bannings have fuelled that hurt, and i sincerely hope that this was not done by design. To stir up the wounds of division by delineating between those that 'understand' and those that dont will never be a stance of a peacemaker. To then raise the question of 'integrity' almost appears to be a subliminal message that here it resides, there it does not.

It remains for those of us who are members of both forums to highlight that we are indeed one community and that no matter what the hurt, we are greater than the division that is created by bannings and a runaway debate on who holds the keys to integrity.

I might suggest that certain posts (ad hominem attacks) such as 'Dick and gas-Celine' should be removed as to ensure the 'treasured integrity' here. Not nice, and not clever.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=0v7LlS5Ajs4

[loveandgratitude]

Forgiveness and the Freedom of Letting go
Maybe we all need a good dose of this

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=3D4VMZb8wLY

[Tahi]

Is this a tale of Two Forums... starting to wonder??

[Donna O]

Whilst I can agree that the recent bannings may make one nervous to offer alternative points of views we must remember that we are talking about integrity here and try to get the right perspective.

I do visit ‘that’ forum, not as a spy, but simply as I would any other forum that has been brought to my attention. There are people at nexus that I have resonated with and those that I haven’t so much. Regardless of my dealings with them, which has been mainly to read their musings, I have seen in distaste some of the comments and threads that have ‘carried on’ over there,

Now, there are ways to disagree with a person’s values and actions without resorting to downright slander and attack and this I have seen with my own eyes. Though we should be careful about presuming we understand someone’s views by their use of the thanks button, you wouldn’t have caught me anywhere near that button on certain occasions, enough said!

Holding integrity does not include applauding verbal abuse, bullying and slander. That kind of behavior has been the curse of the human being since time began and we need to learn how to rise above this.

I may not always entirely agree with the goings on here at Avalon, but the one thing I admire is the commitment to keeping the forum free of bullies and bad-mouthers. I have lost count of the number of posts I have read where people have been surprised at the generous reception they have got here after having terrible experiences at other forums. Now that is something to be proud of and long may it continue. A safe place for those who hold onto their integrity