Another member gone.

[blake]

Hello All,

I have only been an Avalonian since January, and yet so many worthy, active participants have left that I spent time and energy in getting to know by reading their posts regularly. It was disheartening to open the site this morning to read of yet another active, and worthy member leaving who posts I have read regularly over the past few months. Perhaps this is how Avalon has always been, and since I am relatively new I don't understand the politics of the short and temporary status of many of its active and worthy members? From my perspective, as long as people practice manners, and understand why manners are so important, not only with family and friends, but especially in the community at large, and especially in a public forum such as Avalon, then I am at a lost as to why so many feel they can not stay, or are banned from this site. Healthy debate, a sharing of different perspectives, learning and disciplining oneself to be polite to those who may think differently, who have different morals, or agendas, or who may have had a bad day is the basic mix and foundation for any community no matter how large or small, no matter how formal or informal. I am getting the impression that Avalon does not have or perhaps does not want a community with a solid foundation but would rather see people come and go. I welcome change but from my experience of working with groups all my life, is that anything “real” can not have healthy growth without a firm foundation. And a firm foundation takes time to build. I ask if the community of Avalon is being built in such a way to last through the centuries like the pyramids of old, or is it being built like the next fast food building, that is built only to be torn down when something else, not better, comes along?

I came to Avalon to debate and share my knowledge and experiences in exchange for learning about the perspectives and knowledge of others; and I find most Avalonians exceedingly generous in the knowledge that they share. Obviously there are many that I heatedly disagree with but as long as basic manners are practiced I think its wonderful that someone could challenge my thinking and perspective. I never did like “yes” people.

Public schools, at least in America, in my opinion, teach mediocrity not excellence, because they are so controlled in what can or cannot be said. They teach people to be worker bees, to be servants to the few. Those free thinkers, those that challenge the status quo are not welcomed. I am wondering, if underneath all that is said on this site, if the bottom line for those who are banned or suggested to find a new home is because they too challenged the status quo in some way? Sometimes the most difficult part of a foundation to put in ends up being the strongest stone in the foundation that allows it to stay in place for centuries. How is Avalon building a solid foundation? Or is it being built like the next fast food building, because a solid foundation is not wanted on some level?

I don't know what is happening at Avalon; but it seems as though not all perspectives are welcome. I haven’t figure out quite yet what level of challenge of the status quo is acceptable. I have to admit at being quite shock at some of the new moderators comments to some posters.... Ace is one poster that comes to mind, but there are many others. And yet, I read, on the site, during the “Charles Material, that Avalon was suppose to be the "new civilization." I am wondering how Mr. Ryan and the new mods define this “ New Civilization”?

From my short presence here, Avalon doesn’t seem to have progressed very far in terms of building a real community, as the turn over, from what I have seen, is quite large. Avalon is an exclusive club. It is not opened to all, and many have been and will be asked to leave. And it is my opinion that the majority of those asked to leave or who have been banned has taken a huge chuck of the foundation of this community with them. The banning of these people has been the community’s lost. But maybe I misunderstood, and building a strong community is not one of the agendas of Avalon?

We are all from different countries. I think that was part of the appeal, of taking our valuable time and choosing to spend some of it here. Sadly, it doesn’t appear that Avalon wants a real community, or it has not figured out, or acknowledged what building a real community is all about. People are people. And because of that a community that understands how to deal with human nature will established a strong foundation to withstand the good times and bad and continue to grow stronger. A community that doesn’t figure out how to deal with human nature will forever be starting over. I wonder what type of community Avalon has been in the past, is now, and will be in the future? But so far permanence doesn’t seem to be its strong point. Trust and respect takes time to build. I haven’t been here very long, and I still haven’t figured out who is welcomed and who is not. It appears that this is more of a teaching forum.... and like most public schools in America, it appears not to like the status quo challenged. But that is all just my opinion.

Sometimes we outgrow relationships, sometimes realtionships are not a good fit. But the best relationships, the healthiest relationships takes time to build as they grow and change with time and experience. This constant within change allows the foundation of any respected relationship to become stronger through time. So part of making a relationship work is doing the work of a relationship, and that calls for commitment, understanding, and a respect for differences.

I thought Avalon was an intellectual community of ideas and shared experiences, and that in the sharing of our different perspectives, and in our debates, in a respectful manner, we could all grow as human beings. It appears with so many people leaving or be banned that I was wrong. Now I view it differently. Without a solid foundation, its members will not grow with each other, but will, sooner or later, outgrow each other.
And that my fellow Avalonians, in my humble opinion, is why humans insist on, metaphorically always reinventing the wheel, instead of learning from the past to make a better today.

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

[Chicodoodoo]

Another member gone? Who did we lose?

Avalon would not be a community if we did not care about the loss of any one of our members.

[Calz]

Mr. Davis,

You have brought great insight particularly to financial topics.

I hope you can stay ... as I hope with so many members who have gotten discouraged lately.

Even if you (or any member) post on a rare occasion when moved to do so it still brings a lot to the table for the rest of the membership. It isn't a one-way street provided we retain our base. Most all avalon members have insights and gifts to offer.

Cal

[norman]

Posted by Chicodoodoo (here)
Another member gone? Who did we lose?

Avalon would not be a community if we did not care about the loss of any one of our members.

Icecold

and now GAIA too


the sadness is crippling.

[DevilPigeon]

Posted by Chicodoodoo (here)
Another member gone? Who did we lose?

Avalon would not be a community if we did not care about the loss of any one of our members.

I think 2 have departed - IceCold & Gaia

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...eed-to-move-on

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-to-my-friends

[edina]

Posted by blake (here)
Hello All,


Sometimes we outgrow relationships, sometimes realtionships are not a good fit. But the best relationships, the healthiest relationships takes time to build as they grow and change with time and experience. This constant within change allows the foundation of any respected relationship to become stronger through time. So part of making a relationship work is doing the work of a relationship, and that calls for commitment, understanding, and a respect for differences.


Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

Thank you Mr. Davis for taking the time to express yourself here, genuinely and honestly.

I find I feel so resonant with this part of your letter. I have learned much from watching people like Chicodoodoo, Flash, SKAWF, and more that I cannot remember right now who continue to stay with the process of relating, and growing.

Continuing to stay engaged because we care, I feel is very important.

I would love to see more discussion about community, and how communities build bonds. In the days to come, as our social order continues to break down, I feel we are going to want to have very strong relationship skills, to ensure our communities stay bonded.

In the real world, we may not always be able to chose who ends up in our community, especially if events turn catastrophic. But, we can chose to be committed to slogging through the messy stuff, until we can forge the bonds of solidarity.

In writing, there is a saying, blah, blah, blah,...gold.

If a writer censors the blah, they will never discover the gold.

You are a very good man, Blake.
Happy to know you.
grace, edina

[Darla Ken Pearce]

Mr. Blake ~ sweetie ~ no matter how things may appear, Avalon is becoming a warm, loving, nurturing, strengthening source of information and sharing of the highest magnitude. No one is ever kicked off this great spiritual place of family without warning. Only those who are unable to comprehend the spirit of giving, loving, assisting, sharing fully in all things positive can find peace here.

Those who are unable to transition from all the burdens and negativity of 3D warlike behavior will be comfortable with the new Fifth dimensional tone available to all here. After warning when personal attacks and derision and heckling come forth, and to those, still and repeatedly who cannot see the light for all the darkness within their own perceptions, well, they are asked to take these old systems and old negative ways and behaviors outside the perimeter of this most loving of families simply because they hold others back from ascension in their own nature of progression. We are here joined in unity of purpose and upliftment of ourselves and other family members and it is open and free to all the bright and shining light now available to all, but when darkness and personal attacks, ridicule, insults, lack of personal vision come forth and when one is unable, unwilling and cannot heed or make a simple slight adjustment to "cause no harm." Well, it cannot be allowed to poison all the love that Avalon holds for those willing to be kind. Kindness is a new and potent force of love and caring ~ that is assisting all of us into the higher dimensions that are open, without boundaries, beckoning us to enter into a new state of unconditional love. Those who wish and desire to get out of the old governing negatives of endless war and destruction instead of building the new structures open and available to all who desire and ask to receive these great blessings. None can be allowed to hinder the upward flow in the nature of things and beings in our new world being born now.

For any who cannot make this tiniest of attitude adjustments after sufficient warning, and sometimes many, many warnings have been given without proper response in bringing forth light instead of harmful attacks and darkness and negativity, well, it is only right and proper that they are asked to take their negativity and insults elsewhere. If we are to become Galactic Citizens and after 13 million years of incarnations for the first time this is open to us and yes, we are being asked just this to ascend into the higher realms that are open and available to all who ask at this time ~ all are invited and assisted into a new reality, a new Earth, a new dawn, a new Golden Age. It is our purpose for being here even if we have for a time forgotten it.

So it is.... if you are willing to accept and honor and cherish all other beings which is a stark and unchangeable standard of love ~ according to Universal Law you must tarry longer in the negativities of 3rd dimensional wars, limitations, judgments and negativity you have placed upon yourself before the Universe and your own perceptions can move forward more fully into the light of love and understanding. Know that you are cherished here in the great spirit of Avalon but a certain basic standard of kindness and love are, indeed, required of all. Much love! And so it is.... At any time, any who can make these small adjustments will be invited with open arms back into the brightest of joy, hope, sharing that is a very tangible blessing here at Avalon and throughout all galaxies, universes and worlds in all of creation. Pretty great, eh? Much love! xoxoxoxox

[Nasu]

Good call all. Lets continue to be the change. Only we can..N

[Gaia]

Great post Darla,we must never lose sight of the aims of Avalon imho.

Blessings to all !

Gaia

[K626]

Posted by norman (here)

Posted by Chicodoodoo (here)
Another member gone? Who did we lose?

Avalon would not be a community if we did not care about the loss of any one of our members.

Icecold

and now GAIA too


the sadness is crippling.

When did they join?

k

[Jake]

Blake, Thank you for your post. Your honesty and sincerity definitely shines through. You have asked several questions from the heart. Please allow me to answer from the heart.

"Perhaps this is how Avalon has always been, and since I am relatively new I don't understand the politics of the short and temporary status of many of its active and worthy members?"
Avalon has always encouraged members and friends to make the best decisions for themselves and others. If an active member decides to leave, then we have no choice but to honor their decision.

"I ask if the community of Avalon is being built in such a way to last through the centuries like the pyramids of old, or is it being built like the next fast food building, that is built only to be torn down when something else, not better, comes along?"
Avalon is a work in progress, involving real people with real concerns about the community, who volunteer their time to help make Avalon the best forum community of its kind. We give our hearts and souls to this task. We should all be delighted to be here. As mods/admins, We are members of this community too. We are just as challenged by the loss of good members as you are. To answer your question: neither! This Avalon is a COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE. Not an ancient empty structure, and not a fast food resemblance.

"I find most Avalonians exceedingly generous in the knowledge that they share."
Yes, you are correct. This is an awesome place to be. Everyone works hard to make this work.

"I am wondering, if underneath all that is said on this site, if the bottom line for those who are banned or suggested to find a new home is because they too challenged the status quo in some way?"
There are different approaches to challenging the status quo. I think if we were to do away with folks who challenge the status quo, we would not have a single member. Every issue is meaningful to us. We handle every concern on an individual basis, and we have really good people who have accepted the challenge of making some tough decisions regarding the moderating of forum members. There are other, excellent forums out there that do not insist on the level of highly respectable discourse. If you feel that engaging in a way that allows for more abrasive jargon, then maybe Avalon ISN'T the place for you. That is not a bad thing. IMOO. I don't care what forum people choose to discuss these types of issues. Ultimately, we are on the same team, fighting for the same cause.

"How is Avalon building a solid foundation?"
We have literally, thousands of honest and hard working people who give from their hearts, all that they possibly can to forward the vision of Avalon. These folks are the members who post here every day, and commit, at least a part of their lives to participate in that exact goal, building a solid foundation. We are doing it together, with people. We have a team of PA staff who give tirelessly to these same goals. We also have people who put their personal lives at risk to bring forward truth and understanding and knowledge and wisdom.

"From my short presence here, Avalon doesn’t seem to have progressed very far in terms of building a real community"
Then you have some wonderful realizations ahead of you. Avalon is strong.

"I haven’t been here very long, and I still haven’t figured out who is welcomed and who is not."
Everyone is welcome to apply. Not everyone is accepted. And NOT everyone is up to the challenge. And, yes, we do have a high standard of discourse.

"Sometimes we outgrow relationships, sometimes realtionships are not a good fit."
I agree with that. Very well put! Sometimes it is time for folks to move on. Sometimes that challenge will include the familiar pains of departing with friends.

"So part of making a relationship work is doing the work of a relationship, and that calls for commitment, understanding, and a respect for differences. "
I agree wholeheartedly. That is why we commit ourselves to a high level of respect for one another. Lots of folks here have their differences, one of the things that sets Avalon apart from other forum communities is that we insist that each member do their part to forward these shared goals, despite their respective differences.

We are all in this together. This forum, that forum, the other forum. We are all on the same team. I hope that I was able to touch base on most of your concerns.
And I truly appreciate you challenging the status quo with the level of respect that you did. It does make a difference.
Best regards,,,, Jake.

[Moonwish]

Dear Mr. Davis;

AS a teachor-trainor you have it all right.

You know what is gong down. Never doubt this.


You will be told of a middle ground which does not exist,

Can we be the sheep of the sheeple? It seems we can.

If we don't pay attention, no one else will.



The game is nearly over, and nobody noticed. How sad.

[Fred Steeves]

Hi Blake, there appears to be a separate phenomena, and not just here, of a simultaneous gathering and splitting up so to speak. I hope Bill starts a thread on this as it's very important, and as far as I know he's the first one here to bring it up. (Bill, are you listening?)

As far as the rest of what you're talking about here, just from my point of view, it's not that easy to get the boot here. I've seriously challenged Bill's judgement on a couple of issues here including Charles, and have not even received a frowny face or detention. I'm quite sure not bitch slapping somebody upside the face before disagreeing with them is useful.

Funny thing is, when I had the opportunity to meet Bill last week and spend a couple hours of interesting conversation, the last thing on my mind was to bring up one of the things I have disagreed with him on, why do that? What a waste of time, there are many many more things that unite us all than divide us, why focus on division? I'll leave that crap to TPTB. As for Icecold, sure he was a valued member here and had very intelligent posts, but let's not forget he CHOSE to leave, he wasn't booted. Not sure it's fair to blame ANYONE there, people come and people go-just like how this post started.


Cheers,
Fred S.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Posted by Fred S. (here)
Funny thing is, when I had the opportunity to meet Bill last week and spend a couple hours of interesting conversation, the last thing on my mind was to bring up one of the things I have disagreed with him on, why do that? What a waste of time, there are many many more things that unite us all than divide us, why focus on division? I'll leave that crap to TPTB. As for Icecold, sure he was a valued member here and had very intelligent posts, but let's not forget he CHOSE to leave, he wasn't booted. Not sure it's fair to blame ANYONE there, people come and people go-just like how this post started.

Great comments, Fred. I hope to meet you someday. (slap me if I already have!) Personally, I enjoy talking to Bill about topics I disagree with him on. It's interesting and with Bill I can discuss different points of view without it being an attack on who he is or who I am. I think this is how it should be with all gentlemen and gentlewomen. (gentlepeeps?) Bill models perfectly the way to discuss differing viewpoints in a civilized way which is productive to the understanding of all. It's like a yoga asana. The Civil Discourse Pose.

Regarding Jake's comments, I am personally prone to shoot from the hip with "abrasive jargon". It's often a kneejerk thing. My time on Avalon is teaching me to temper that. So, the models of appropriate behavior here are very valuable to the development of my own diplomacy and civil debate skills. I'm saying that I appreciate that about Avalon. Points of view are not censored here. It's about the manner in which a point of view is presented.

[Carmody]

Yes, the battle lines are being drawn (sadly) and in this case it is a near global phenomenon of internal-societal lines of demarcation. It's a splitting down idealogical lines, a 'caste-ing' of society, is one way of putting it. In this case, not elite and peons, but spiritual-open etc vs linear-ignorant etc.

There are untold billions in the gap that have not classified themselves in any internal fashion and the battle is for them.

Soon, these internally unclassified people... they will achieve the requisite awareness to begin forming those questions in their minds, as the global situations that rock and tumble about them come to their given 'heads' and burst upon the land in an open manner. Their attempts at reflection will then begin in Ernest.

The trick is to have a properly built and functioning lemonade stand for them to cruise by ....as their given times (the 'why me' internal look moments, etc) comes. When they finally search for reasons and the understanding/unraveling of their given dilemma.

The PTB has their own designs on how to get this done to the populace 'at large'. What solutions that need to be put in front of people in order to enter into 'effective herding'.

We have other ideas.

[DevilPigeon]

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LetThereBeLight has now also decided to leave.

And Bashi has been sent on a 1 month vacation....

Bit of a busy old day

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

Leaving, staying. listening, rejecting. These are all about free will. As vibrational energy shifts, some are no longer comfortable. We can observe this without judgement. Peace to each of you. It is always about individual choice.

[araucaria]

Gaia, as I see from the post just above yours, joined on 28th January. The question is, when did she leave? She's still here!

Posted by K626 (here)

Posted by norman (here)

Posted by Chicodoodoo (here)
Another member gone? Who did we lose?

Avalon would not be a community if we did not care about the loss of any one of our members.

Icecold

and now GAIA too


the sadness is crippling.

When did they join?

k

[Rocky_Shorz]

this is too funny...

every time things get slow we have a few woe is me members jump in to say goodbye...

appearing again to say hello

and then again goodbye...


I'm starting to wonder if anyone ever left...

[Chicodoodoo]

Posted by Fred S. (here)
As for Icecold, sure he was a valued member here and had very intelligent posts, but let's not forget he CHOSE to leave, he wasn't booted.

I'm not sure you can assume that. It's very common in government to boot wave-makers out by privately asking for their resignation and insisting that they go quietly. Then on camera you make a big deal out of how you accepted their resignation with enormous regret while playing up what a fine job they did while serving the administration and how they will be sorely missed. It's a complete charade for public consumption. I don't know the particulars in Icecold's case, but if you read between the lines, it looks like a similar situation.

Posted by Icecold (here)
I’m taking Bill’s advice and moving on.
I made a commitment last night that I would not mention my concerns regarding the reasons for leaving.

Why would he have to commit to leaving quietly? That doesn't sound like the Icecold that debated me so doggedly at times (and thank you for that, Icecold).