Arthurian Dynasty-In Search of the Prince of Wales (Cymry)

[Rocky_Shorz]

can anyone tell me more about...

The family of "Washington" can trace their roots back to the ancient Kingdom of Northumbria, which stretched from Firth of Forth, in the north, to the River Tees in the south on the eastern side of the country, straddling the border between England and Scotland. It included the towns of Edinburgh (now in Scotland) Berwick, Newcastle, Durham and Hartlepool (now in England).

The "original" Washington, is situated on a tract of Land between the River Tyne and River Wear, a "Centre of Learning" and a "Cradle of Christianity" in 1000 A.D. It was here that the first ever book, other than the bible, was written in England, by Bede - "An Ecclesiastical History of the English Speaking Peoples". It was from here that the English language and Christianity was spread to the Americas and around the world.

And it was here that the Monks of St Cuthbert lived at Chester le Street, a few miles away from Washington for 100 years, protecting the remains of St Cuthbert and the Lindisfarne Gospels before they they fled from the Vikings in 995 A.D. then returned to Durham where they built Durham Cathedral where both St Cuthbert and St Bede...

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By 1000 A.D. the Vikings had converted to Christianity and with the Hyltons of Hylton Castle defending the mouth of the River, and the Wessygntons defending both sides of the river at Offerton and Wessygnton, "Lamtun", the "estate of the lambs" where many of the desendents of monks of St Cuthbert lived with their families, Finchale Abbey , the new city of Durham were safe from invaders via the river. The people of Durham at that time considered their first responsibility to defend the Durham church and the relics of St Cuthbert even before king and country...

"Over a thousand leagues of sea

Rich in promise of things to be

From a Durham Village the seed was blown

And in far Virginian field was sown

Little seed of a mighty tree"

[Lettherebelight]

That is very interesting. Saint Cuthbert was a truly spiritually advanced ascetic. Thanks for that link.

If anyone could tell you about the Washington connection, it would probably be Bryn ap Gwilym. Maybe that's the link to the inscription on the Washington Monument that he (Bryn ap Gwilym) has as his signature....?

[Amenjo]

Hi Lettherebelight.

Fascinating topic, thank you for bringing it to my attention.

True history is never quite the same as we were taught at school!

Has anyone heard about Madoc ab Owain Gwynedd, according to folklore he was a Welsh prince who sailed to America in 1170 and created settlements in the Mid-west.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madoc

Love and Truth,

Amenjo

[Rocky_Shorz]

interesting...

"In 1834 a dinner was held by the Welsh residents of New York, presided over by E. W. Davis, and aided by T. Ingram Tones and the late Daniel L. Jones. The success of the dinner suggested the idea oi organizing a Welsh national society, and a draft of the constitution nnd by-laws for such a society was made. Out of this initiative grew the present St. David Society, which has helped hundreds of distressed Welshmen who have stranded on their arrival In the United States. Daniel L. Jones was president in 1863. Among its presidents have been Gen. Thomas L. James. Hon. Noah Davis, Ellis H. Roberts, the present United States Treasurer, and a score of other prominent Americans. It was through Mr. Jones that the government permitted a stone to be placed in the Washington monument to represent the little principality. This stone was imported from a quarry near Swansea. It bears the following inscription: Fy iaith. Fy Ngwlad, Ky Nghenedl. Wales. Cymru am Byth! Mr. Daniel L. Jones was a faithful, consistent and patriotic Welshman."

the vault

[Rocky_Shorz]

Posted by Amenjo (here)

Has anyone heard about Madoc ab Owain Gwynedd, according to folklore he was a Welsh prince who sailed to America in 1170 and created settlements in the Mid-west.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madoc

Love and Truth,

Amenjo

the Vikings traveled to the Midwest with the Templars, and left the Kensington Runestone in the late 1300s

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Maybe they were following the trail from Gwynned

[siggy]

Posted by Lettherebelight (here)

Posted by siggy (here)

I'm not trying to be flippant here, I am very interested in this history, but I must be missing something because I'm not seeing where this leads / why anyone would be persecuted for holding these views!?!?

That's exactly what I want to know!

Where does it lead? It leads to the person who is in line from Arthur.

There, it is said.

Okay, but who was living in Britain before the Welsh / Omri arrived? Was the land stolen from those who were there before? Or was it an empty Island?
That aside, how did the Arthur's come to be Kings? Were they so nice the people asked them to rule, or did they take the title by force? Is there a Welsh faction who didn't like the Arthurian line?

At the end of the day if you go back far enough, in any country, you'll find someone not happy with their lot who feel (maybe justifiably so) like they've been shafted somewhere along the way. History is littered with Kings who've been overthrown by the next conquering King, so....

[Rocky_Shorz]

so Kate goes back to Durham, and has family lines leading to the beginning of America...

Following the engagement of Prince William to Kate Middleton this week, the former pit village can celebrate another royal connection. Genealogists who have traced Kate’s ancestry back to the 19th century have discovered that James Harrison, who left Newcastle during the industrial revolution to seek his fortune in the booming coal mining industry, was Kate’s great-great- great-great grandfather.

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The country was named after its inhabitants. The Welsh trace their ancestry to two distinct groups of people—the Iberians who arrived from southwestern Europe in Neolithic times and the Celtic tribes who arrived on the island in the late Bronze Age. Fierce fighters, they resisted the Anglo-Saxon invaders, who could not understand their language and called them wealas (strangers). They called themselves Cmry (fellow countrymen); and, although populations and cultures overlap between Wales and England, Wales and its culture remain distinct. Wales occupies about 8,000 square miles and is the size of a small New England state. Since virtually all farms are no more than 50 miles from the shore, Wales has maintained its own connections with the outside world.
HISTORY

With the collapse of Roman power in the 400s, Germanic tribes from Northern Europe began settling in southeastern Britain. Most numerous were the Angles and the Saxons, related peoples who became the English. The Celts resisted this long influx of alien settlers but were gradually pushed west. By about 800, they occupied only Britain's remotest reaches where their descendants live today: the Highland Scots, the Cornish of the southwest coast, and the Welsh. The Irish are also Celtic.

Over the coming centuries, the Welsh, isolated from other Celts, developed their own distinctive culture. However, their identity would always be shaped by the presence of their powerful English neighbors. Wales became a western refuge from the invasion and conquest by hostile tribes from Europe, as well as for puritanical dissenters against English culture. Not only did this refuge lie farther west than most conquerors could effectively extend, its geography made it inaccessible. Later, Wales became a site from which England extracted resources and prefigured the position that colonial America assumed.

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Iberians - from Spain...

I B erian - again ending in "erians" - sumerians...

Celtic presence in Iberia likely dates to as early as the 6th century BC, when the castros evinced a new permanence with stone walls and protective ditches. Archaeologists Martín Almagro Gorbea and Alvarado Lorrio recognize the distinguishing iron tools and extended family social structure of developed Celtiberian culture as evolving from the archaic castro culture which they consider "proto-Celtic"...
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[Rocky_Shorz]

so the history of England goes back at least 700,000 years...

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[Bryn ap Gwilym]

Please study the references which Lettherebelight has kindly supplied. Hard evidence which is written in stone & going back over 2500yrs +. Asking the same questions will rapidly become tiresome.

All your question are answered in those references.

If you have question's after you have studied I will be more than happy to answer them. There is more than enough to keep you all going for at least several months.

Rocky_Shorz
Allegedly the Washingtons & the anglicised Davis surname are one in the same & come from a Cambria / Cambrian (north), but that is open for debate.

Seikou-Kishi Seikou-Kish
If you wish to engage in a flame war and divert folk from the truth, by all means I'll play, but we will do it elsewhere.
There is no way you have studied any of those references in such a short time frame.

[MariaDine]

Posted by Lettherebelight (here)
In the wake of the opulent wedding of William and Catherine, I attempt to bring forth truth, regarding the royal lineage of the region of Brittania and the real connection to the House of David. The real story may surprise you, as well as its connection to the people of Wales (Cymry).

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=j617mImHVvk

Alan Wilson, who battles against mainstream ox-bridge historians, and is as yet un-interviewed by PC or PA, presents his 30 years of inspired research on his website:

http://kingarthurslegacy.com/

I urge everyone to take a look, and discover the real Arthurian dynasty, understand its Welsh connections and see the origins in the 'Holy Land'.

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The historians know this fact, for years, but it's great to have Genetics to back it up !





http://www.britannia.com/history/arthur/kaking.html

[Rocky_Shorz]

Posted by Bryn ap Gwilym (here)
Please study the references which Lettherebelight has kindly supplied. Hard evidence which is written in stone & going back over 2500yrs +. Asking the same questions will rapidly become tiresome.

All your question are answered in those references.

If you have question's after you have studied I will be more than happy to answer them. There is more than enough to keep you all going for at least several months.

Rocky_Shorz
Allegedly the Washingtons & the anglicised Davis surname are one in the same & come from a Cambria / Cambrian (north), but that is open for debate.

calm down, we're interested in learning answers, this is great info you are sharing and I'll try to stay on topic...

so tell me about the Attacotti and the Druids that build Stonehenge 4500 years ago

[Rocky_Shorz]

who's DNA did the King's match that built stonehenge?

Unfortunately researchers have proven this age-old theory linking Stonehenge's construction to the Druids impossible. Through modern radio carbon dating techniques, scientists have discovered that its builders completed Stonehenge over a thousand years before the Celts ever inhabited this region, eliminating Druids from the possibilities. Usually Druids worshipped in marshes and forests, but it has been verified that they did use Stonehenge occasionally as a temple of worship and sacrifice when they moved into the region...

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here we go...

Tests reveal Amesbury Archer ‘King of Stonehenge’ was a settler from the Alps

The man who may have helped organise the building of Stonehenge was a settler from continental Europe, archaeologists say.

The latest tests on the Amesbury Archer, whose grave astonished archaeologists last year with the richness of its contents, show he was originally from the Alps region, probably Switzerland, Austria or Germany. The tests also show that the gold hair tresses found in the grave are the earliest gold objects found in Britain.

The grave of the Archer, who lived around 2,300BC, contained about 100 items, more than ten times as many objects as any other burial site from this time. When details were released, the media dubbed the Archer “The King of Stonehenge”.

The grave was found three miles from Stonehenge, near Amesbury in Wiltshire, last May during an excavation by Wessex Archaeology, based nearby at Salisbury, in advance of the building of a new housing scheme and school.

The Archer was obviously an important man, and because he lived at the same time that the stones at Stonehenge were first being built, archaeologists believe he may have been involved in its creation.

Tests were carried out on the Archer’s teeth and bones and on the objects found in the grave, which included two gold hair tresses, three copper knives, flint arrowheads, wristguards and pottery. They show that he came from the Alps region, and that the copper knives came from Spain and France. This is evidence of the wide trade network that existed in the early Bronze Age. The gold dated to as early as 2,470BC, the earliest gold objects found in Britain...

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[Dorok]

I still have yet to see anything to convince me that someone else's genetics are better than mine or that someone else's country's settlers were more important in some way. This all sounds a bit nationalistic and racist to me. Like someone trying to claim 'First!' on the world...

[Ria]

I would like to know more about the Cymry Royal blood line and related material, also the old alphabet
Thank you I look forward to hearing any contribution
Ria

[Rocky_Shorz]

Alexander the Great,

Alexander himself had made known his wish to be buried at the well-known temple of the supreme Egyptian god Ammon Ra in the remote oasis of Siwa, in the Egyptian-Libyan desert. Alexander had made a crucial visit to this oracular shrine in 331, when he had taken Egypt from the Persians.
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With a population of 23,000, Siwa was, for a long time, the most inaccessible of all Egypt’s Oasis until very recently. It became an adventure travel destination once its notoriety began to rise. The region which lays some 60 feet below sea-level includes a rich history. Notably, Alexander the Great visited to consult the Oracle of Amun in 331 BC. Accomplished archaeologists, such as Liana Souvaltsis, have implied that the great general was buried here, but no factual evidence exists of this. Legends abound of mystical protections which cover the oasis... link

2340 BC: Sargon I of Kish builds a new capital, Agade (Akkad, later Babylon) and adopts the Semitic language Akkadian instead of Sumerian
2334 BC: Sargon defeats Lugalzagesi conquers Uruk, Ur, Lagash and Umma, thus uniting Akkadian and Sumerian peoples, thus becoming the first emperor in history
2330 BC: Sargon's daughter Enheduanna is a poetess
2320 BC: Sargon invades Lebanon and the Taurus Mountains and creates the Akkadian empire
2300 BC: the Amorites (Semitic people) migrate from Arabia to Syria
2278 BC: Sargon dies and is succeeded by his son Rimush, who sacks Elam
2254 BC: Akkadian king Naram Sin, another son of Sargon, further expands the empire, east and north
2217 BC: Naram Sin dies and is succeeded by his son Sharkalisharri
2200 BC: Royal graves of Alaca Hoyuk (Anatolia, 200 kms northeast of Ankara)
2180 BC: the Akkadian empire is destroyed by the Guti, who invade from the north, and the Elamites of Susa regain their independence
2150 BC: the Sumerians of Lagash revolt against the Guti
2125 BC: Gudea becomes king of Lagash and builds the monumental sanctuary of Eninnu
2116 BC: the Sumerians of Uruk revolt against the Guti
2112 BC: Ur-Nammu of Uruk recreates the Sumerian empire and rebuilds Ur, including the temple of Nanna and the three-terraced ziggurat
2100 BC: the Hurrians settle in the mountains between Mesopotamia and Anatolia and found the holy city of Urkish
2094 BC: Ur-Nammu dies and is succeeded by his son Shulgi/Dulgi, who expands the Sumerian empire to Susa and to the north, bordering the Amorites to the west, the Elamites to the east and the Hurrians (Indo-European people) to the north
2046 BC: Shulgi dies
2018 BC: the Sumerian empire disintegrates
2017 BC: the Sumerian governor of Mari, Ishbi Erra, establishes his own dynasty with capital at Isin
2007 BC: the Elamites of Susa capture Ur
2000 BC: the game of chess ("shatranj") develops in Persia
1932 BC: Gungunum becomes king of the Amorites with capital at Larsa, builds the E-Babbar temple and conquers Ur and Elam
1900 BC: the cities of Assur and Nineveh form an Assyrian kingdom
1900 BC: the Sukkalmah dynasty seizes power in Elam, turning it into a regional power
1900 BC: the Epic of Gilgamesh is redacted in the semitic language of Babylon
1900 BC: the Assyrians emerge from the holy city of Ashur (north Iraq) to establish colonies in Anatolia with headquarters in Nesa (Kanes, Kultepe)
1894 BC: Babylon is conquered by an Amorite dynasty
1834 BC: an Elamite, Warad Sin, becomes king of Larsa
1810 BC: Amorite dynasties seize power in the cities of Ugarit (Lebanon), Aleppo (Syria), Ashur and Mari
1809 BC: Shamshi-Adad conquers the cities of Mari, Ashur and Ekallutum, and thus creates the Assyrian empire
1800 BC: the Hittites invent irons and build the first weapons made of iron
1800 BC: the Babylonians employ a duodecimal system (a system based on 12 and 6) to measure time
1794 BC: Larsa (king Rim-Sin) conquers Isin
1792 BC: Hammurabi, sixth king of the Amorite dynasty, is crowned king of Babylon
1787 BC: Hammurabi conquers the city-states of Uruk and Isin
1775 BC: Work begins on the Etemenanki, the ziggurath to god Marduk, in Babylon
1764 BC: Hammurabi defeats the Elamites
1763 BC: Hammurabi conquers the city-state of Larsa, and thus Ur, Uruk, Isin
1761 BC: Hammurabi conquers the city-state of Mari
1755 BC: Hammurabi creates the first code of laws using the Babylonian language
1750 BC: Hammurabi dies and the Babylonian empire dissolves into city-states
1725 BC: Kutir-Nahhunte I revolts against the Babylonians and Elam regains its independence
1725 BC: Pithana, king of Kussara, conquers Nesa
1700 BC: Babylonians invent the first windmills for the purpose of irrigation
1700 BC: Anitta of Kussara, Pithana's son, ruling from Kussara, conquers eastern Anatolia
1700 BC: the "Enuma Elish" (creation story of the Babylonians) originates
1680 BC: Labarna of Kussara reaches the Mediterranean Sea
1650 BC: Hattusili, son or nephew of Labarna, founds the Hittite kingdom, moves the capital from Kussara to Hattusa (150 kms east of Ankara) and adopts the language of Nesa
1640 BC: Hattusili fights the kingdom of Iamhad (with capital in Aleppo)
1600 BC: Hattusili's son Mursili becomes king of the Hittites
1595 BC: the Hittites under king Mursili I conquer the kingdom of Iamhad (Aleppo) and raid Babylon, thus ending the Amorite dynasty
1590 BC: the Hittite king, Mursili, is assassinated by Hantili, who becomes king
1590 BC: the Hittites install the Kassite dynasty (originating from the Central Asian steppes) in Babylon
1530 BC: the Kassites build a new capital, Durkurigalzu
1525 BC: Telipinu becomes king of the Hittites
1500 BC: a caravan trader, Abraham, leads nomads from Sumer to Canaan and then on to Egypt (Hebrews)
1480 BC: king Parattarna invades the lands of the Hurrians and creates the (Indo-European) Mitanni empire in northern Mesopotamia/Syria with capital in Wassuganni
1475 BC: the Mitanni king Parattarna conquers the kingdom of Aleppo and installs Idrimi as a vassal
1458 BC: the Egyptian pharaoh Tuthmosis III defeats the Mitannis and conquers Syria
1400 BC: the Mitanni king Saustatar conquers Assyria and reconquers Syria
1400 BC: the Mitanni king Artatama and the Egyptian pharaoh Tuthmosis IV sign a peace treaty
1365 BC: king Asuruballit restores independence to Assyria
1350 BC: the city of Ugarit (Syria) employs an alphabet of 32 letters
1344 BC: Suppiluliuma becomes king of the Hittites
1340 BC: King Untash-Napirisha of Elam founds a new capital at Chogha Zanbil
1339 BC: king Suppiluliuma of the Hittites conquers the Mitanni empire and establishes two viceregal kingdoms in Aleppo and Carchemish
1307 BC: Adadnirari I becomes king of Assyria and defeats and destroys the Mitanni empire
1275 BC: Khumbannumena expands the Elamite empire
1274 BC: the Egyptian king Rameses II is defeated by the Hittite king Muwatallis II at the city of Kadesh
1259 BC: peace treaty between Egyptians (Ramesses II) and Hittites (king Hattusili III)
1250 BC: the Hebrews return from Egypt and establish a kingdom in Palestine
1250 BC: the Assyrian army employs iron swords, lances, metal armors
1250 BC: the Assyrians divide the circle into 360 degrees
1250 BC: the Elamites build the ziggurat at Choga Zambil, the largest of all times
1237 BC: Hittite king Hattusili III dies and is succeeded by his son Tudhaliya IV, who builds a palace on the acropolis of the capital, Hattusa
1225 BC: the Assyrians under king Tukulti-Ninurta I capture Babylon
1208 BC: the Assyrian king, Tukulti-Ninurta I, is murdered by his son
1200 BC: the Philistines settle along the shores of Palestine
1200 BC: the Arameans migrate from Arabia to Syria (Harrans)
1200 BC: the Phoenicians move from the Arabian peninsula to the Mediterranean coast
1185 BC: the Hittite empire collapses under the invasion of the "Sea Peoples"
history timeline...

sea people as in Atlantis, or...?

[siggy]

Posted by Ria (here)
I would like to know more about the Cymry Royal blood line and related material, also the old alphabet
Thank you I look forward to hearing any contribution
Ria

Good luck with that. The standard response seems to be study the previous links provided (and then do your own research and learn another language).

I've watched some of the provided links and found the info very interesting (plus I'm trying to learn Welsh - from before I came across this info / thread, which is why I find it all so interesting) and I'll be probably get some of Alan Wilson's books; but is it worth years / months of study / research? Hmm, dunno! Probably not in my case.
But its interesting.

[Aurelius]

interesting thread

[Rocky_Shorz]

The Celt-Iberian Spain

The Greeks referred to the original inhabitants of the Iberian Peninsula as Iberians. There are, however, several different populations. According to archaeological, anthropological and genetic research, the Iberians should have arrived to the peninsula at the time of the Neolithic (5000 - 3000 BC).

Some scientists believe that they came originally from the eastern Mediterranean, others believe that they were related to the founders of the megalithic culture (UK, Ireland, France), of which there are numerous findings also in Spain.

The most advanced Iberians were undoubtedly the Tartessos, who founded the oldest Western-European high culture, and their descendants "Turdetanos" and "Turdulos".

By 1200 b.C. Celtic tribes entered the peninsula from the north, mixing up with Iberians and so generating the celt-iberian race. The origin of the bask race living in the north of the country is uncertain, but many historians suppose that it goes back to a pre-iberian population...
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so the Welsh started in Spain and had the Celtics join them from the north...

The Welsh didn't come from the Celts, they came from the eastern Mediterranean area...

[Rocky_Shorz]

Tartessos...

Another puzzle lies in the origin of the megalith culture. We all know Stonehenge or the alignments of Carnac, bearing witness to that culture. The origin of this culture (ca. 5000 BC) is to be found in the south of Spain where Gadeirus and the lost kingdom of Tartessos are supposed to have been located. The megalith culture was strongly influenced by the northern part of Africa. Were Atlantean refugees the conveyors of culture to that region? That could be possible since, according to the records of North African tribes, the western island kingdom was known as Atarantes or Atlantioi...
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[Rocky_Shorz]

Iberian...

The prehistoric populations of North Africa are related to the wider group of Paleo-Mediterranean peoples. The Afroasiatic phylum probably originated in the mesolithic period, perhaps in the context of the Capsian culture.[15][16] By 5000 BC, the populations of North Africa are an amalgamation of Ibero-Maurisian and Capsian stock blended with a more recent intrusion associated with the Neolithic revolution.[17] Out of these populations, the proto-Berber tribes form during the Late Bronze to Early Iron Age... link[18]

Recent fieldwork indicates that the culture existed in the region from around the timing of the Last Glacial Maximum (LGM), at 20,000 BP, until the Younger Dryas.[4] The culture is succeeded by the Capsian, which was originally thought to have expanded into the Maghreb from the Near East,[5] although later studies have indicated that the Iberomaurusian were the progenitors of the Capsian...
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