The Inelia thread

[David Topí]

Posted by Inelia (here)

Posted by quench (here)
What is a dream? Is it your imagination or stuff happening on another "plane" (not sure which word to use)?

Hi quench,

I am not very familiar with dream analysis or work. One of my old friends was a dream worker, and she helped thousands of people with her work. It was really, truly amazing to see. From what she told me, dreams come in various forms. For example, lucid dreaming can be used to jump into the astral and travel around the planet, share dreams with others and more. Other dreams are our unconscious self communicating issues to us, others are simply entertaining. I am also thinking that dreams are a way to connect to the human collective consciousness.

But, others in this forum are much more capable and knowledgeable about this topic and I would ask them to jump in and expand on it. It is truly fascinating.

About this topic, some people are Dream Masters. These are the people that during their own dreaming time, assist others in learning valuable lessons in the astral. Essentially, souls can choose to have experiences in the astral so they can learn and grow, rather than having them here in the physical. Dream Masters assist them by playing part in these experiences. For example, someone might need to have a learning experience about betrayal, so, in their dream, they experience being betrayed. A Dream master will be playing an important role here so the soul learns the lesson without having to manifest it in their physical lifetime.

This is why, for what I have seen, may people who are Dream masters are restless sleepers many times, and also have very vivid and interesting dreams, although not always their owns, they are simply being part of someone else’s dreams performing a service.

[jcocks]

Heh... That sounds like me...or rather, sounded like me. I think I might be taking a break though...

On to my own question to Inelia..

What is your take on high-functioning Autism / Aspergers? I've heard that many native races of the Earth regard these types of people as perfect for the shamanic paths (And personally, I have had "connection to the source" as a reccurring theme in many of the card readings I have had done for me)....

[sdafnom]

Posted by Inelia (here)

Posted by quench (here)
What is a dream? Is it your imagination or stuff happening on another "plane" (not sure which word to use)?

Hi quench,

I am not very familiar with dream analysis or work. One of my old friends was a dream worker, and she helped thousands of people with her work. It was really, truly amazing to see. From what she told me, dreams come in various forms. For example, lucid dreaming can be used to jump into the astral and travel around the planet, share dreams with others and more. Other dreams are our unconscious self communicating issues to us, others are simply entertaining. I am also thinking that dreams are a way to connect to the human collective consciousness.

But, others in this forum are much more capable and knowledgeable about this topic and I would ask them to jump in and expand on it. It is truly fascinating.

Hello Quench, Inelia,

I believe all of the above are true in some sense.
My personal view (just a theory) is that sleep is a multilayer / multifunction connection with the oneness (for a lack of better word).
And since imaging / symbolism is a universal language, dreams are an excellent way for message conveying.

If we imagine that dream-state is, a 3-tier connection of our consciousness to the higher-self(s) and the collective, for information exchange, then the actual dream depends on what needs to be communicate between all three levels.

For example if our consciousness transmits a certain experience to our higher self(s), and he/she/it wants to reply a specific message, the dream is specific and based around that experience.

Another example would be dream-sharing with your parallel self(s), which is You again but the surroundings / persons are unknown to your consciousness.

And yet another one would be that the collective conveys a message to your consciousness. Those are the most confusing / difficult to interpret dreams.

If you add to the mix the stages of sleep (non REM) and the body intelligence (most physical growth/repeating happens there), I am tempted to say that a whole lot more takes place during sleep than when we are awake.

Any thoughts are welcome

Stavros

[777]

Hi Inelia, thanks for answering all these questions so far, it's very generous of you.

Nate hinted at this in an earlier question. How would you go about contacting your higher entourage and how would you know whether or not you were successful? Sorry if this sounds a bit simple to you but a layman's terms explanation would be great for me and I'm sure many others.

Earlier you said we could ask our physical body questions in the same way and "feel" the response in its' answer. I'm a feeler myself and yet this is as yet beyond my grasp.

Any help would be great, and thank you again.

[9eagle9]

Yes I use kinesiology along with the use of SCM (subsconscious cellular memory). I was curious what context you were employing it in as there is a basic premise to it, which other methodologies have sprung off from. I had speculated that an agreement had been made there since most of our contracts and agreements are found in this way--most of them of not very SELF serving as you have made mention of repeatedly. Its a popular method of lifting out repressed memories.emotion/trauma conditioning as the cellular rotation of individual body cells are altered that causes any sort of emotional embedding, repression from this and other lifetimes. Because it manifests on a cellular level one's physical appearance is often altered as well. Mine has been. And basically the practice has saved my life. Or rather my quality of life. It its also the basis for ensuring that we are not influenced by much of anything. Keeping the practice intact along with other meaningful alternative healing modalities has been one of the challenges of my life time.

And basically I think its more than important to merit a thread of its own because there are so many methods of extraction some of them complex some of them so easy that people doubt them. And because that is also all tied up into our core belief and values system and whatever process someone has underway at any given time. I believe it merits some highlighting on its own. It is becoming more popular.

I would be equally curious to ask why you retain the body memory that you have described?. It is serving you/ a purpose in some fashion, correct? Because there is so much material presented I may have overlooked where you lifted out this body memory...?

Now for the bite side. Understand its not your account I am questioning, ones experience is one's own. I can't deny that walk ins exist, and I would be making myself a hypocrite if I denied that 10d (among others) energies exist. I was raised by a walk in and realizing that through SCM was part of my own healing process .

When you get right down to it one's past is irrelevant to the now save for how we tend to carry crud over from previous experiences. Once those are lifted, the question of the past in regards to tripping us up in the now becomes irrelevant. Because then you are finally able to arrive in a place where you can work in the now and the present unimpeded as the past is no longer influencing us.

In all fairness Inelia, I wouldn't be doing your or anyone else any favors by not mentioning this. People who state they are walk ins are closely scrutinized by those who practice negative energy extraction (exorcism) and body memory--it composes a great deal of that practice of extraction and removing influence. I maintain that a great deal of the population are ' possessed' by their own issues and body memory extraction is a valuable way to free people from what ails them. For us on a collective sense and individual one. And those issues are what external influences are able to attach to if they are allowed to remain in place. It is a form of system busting all on it's own. Hugely valuable.

The reason you will be scrutinized is probably a reason I needn't make you aware of, because there are walk ins that walk ins that are not exactly of the highest good. So you will come under a great deal of scrutiny. And with that , you will be challenged to answer some questions that may be hard to answer because the very premise of body memory presents those challenges in regards to your situation. ESPECIALLY if one is a walk in. It creates a unique scenario which will also bring in some unique questioning. Not by the general populace, or alternative media persay, you will encounter challenges from the alternative and holistic medicine community. I believe you stated you weren't a healer per say and that is where you will receive the most challenging scrutiny of all. And poses a challenge all on its own.


I suppose I am confused between 'coming into this world with this knowledge' (of body memory?) versus the research, testing or reading on theories of it you've done.

Be careful of the theories. Especially if you are stating you are a walk in AND promoting this method of extraction. It is a healing modality and a popular one it is coming more into the mainstream everyday and that brings with it, its own unique challenges as the PTB eyeball everything and look for a way to fumfoozle it from what it really means to be. As I noted earlier that has been my challenge in life keep beneficial therapies in tact and there are unwitting agents of the ptb everywhere looking to distort them to the point they are no longer effective. One could say that is where my own abilities come into play, finding where things have been artificially influenced.

I'm not suggesting you are looking to distort this practice, but the practice itself has been loaded with minefields like any other alternative or holistic means of extraction. I have to be honest here, and speak to you on the highest level of integrity without political correctness as a spiritual equal. You are as you have expressed yourself well equipped to cope with this sort of discourse and I'd be patronizing if I approached you in any other way or tried to soft coat it or namby pampy it down.

Beliefs are flawed and they nearly always contradict, oppose and even cancel themselves at some point. I already understand that I will not be winning any popularity contests by lending you this cautionary note, but I've managed to live without a tiara all these years. (he he)

At this point I have already ID'd a few different ways that presenting body memory or SCM would or could not only fail to support you but cast you in a very unflattering light. I'm sure I'm not the only one who will note this and some people may not lend the cautionary note that I'm lending but attack you and you may find yourself between a rock and a hard place one that is unprecedented to rebutt based on the very nature of yourself. I'm not doing this intentionally, but to bring it to your attention. It just my own experience and knowingness of the subject folding over the way it does in a diagnostic sort of way-- I've already ID'd several challenging questions that you may not be equipped to answer and they are questions that people will ask concerning this, as one's consciousness and spirit are certainly worth heavy duty questioning. Better to get ones fly zipped in a safe place (here in PA) before venturing out into an already hostile world, because I do feel this will draw a great deal of attention to you and Bill both.

It is a valuable 'medicine'. I agree that it proves nothing but on the same note that is filled with its own perils , it can also be a basis to disprove you as well in regards to your own personal situation and experience.

Scrutinize carefully.

Thank you for your response, Inelia . I would personally like to see a thread on things of this the various methods of body memory perhaps in the healing forum I do think it is that valuable a practice.

[Yoda]

Inelia, you bring such a nice flavour to this reality. I find, after reading several of your posts, that I can practicaly taste your "TONE". Would you be able to inspire one of the moderators to collect your "Q and A" into one thread?
Pierre

[sheddie]

In reply to your post 415...it's too long to reply with quote

Thank you 9eagle9, I agree a thread on this subject alone would be much appreciated as it is something that interests me a great deal, as I am sure it does many others.

A few posts back I asked about body intelligence as I was confused, I thank you Inelia and Bill for your replies. I am glad to have had the chance to re visit this subject as your answers did not fully clear my confusion.

I would like to ask if the body you 'walked into' minded you taking over as I too do extraction work as a shamanic practitioner and people often want possessions removed.

Has this ever been a problem for you Inelia?

I would be very interested to know as it would provide a different perspective and I am always ready and willing to learn new things especially if they reasonate with me.

Many thanks

[andywight]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
At this point I have already ID'd a few different ways that presenting body memory or SCM would or could not only fail to support you but cast you in a very unflattering light. I'm sure I'm not the only one who will note this and some people may not lend the cautionary note that I'm lending but attack you and you may find yourself between a rock and a hard place one that is unprecedented to rebutt based on the very nature of yourself. I'm not doing this intentionally, but to bring it to your attention. It just my own experience and knowingness of the subject folding over the way it does in a diagnostic sort of way-- I've already ID'd several challenging questions that you may not be equipped to answer and they are questions that people will ask concerning this, as one's consciousness and spirit are certainly worth heavy duty questioning. Better to get ones fly zipped in a safe place (here in PA) before venturing out into an already hostile world, because I do feel this will draw a great deal of attention to you and Bill both.

Thank you 9eagle9, at last someone able to explain this fascinating subject who doesn't make you feel that you're too unenlightened to understand what they cannot adequately explain themselves.

[Inelia]

Hi 9eagle9,

Thank you for your thoughts and clarifications: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post210358

With regard being scrutinized, not a problem for me at all. I am not here to "convince" people of "truths" but simply share my personal journey as well as what tools and knowings I have come across that have helped me and others. If there is something I don't understand, I say so. If there's something I don't know about, or not equipped to answer I say so Not a problem.

People can take my personal opinions and knowings into their lives or leave it, just like everything else on the planet. I have no attachment to either response. If what I say, and what I have experienced, and how I interpret it helps, it helps, if it doesn't it doesn't. A person has to take what I say and scrutinize it before integrating it into their lives, this is a healthy thing to do, as ultimately their life is their own responsibility.

As to walk-ins as possession, there is a distinction between the two, and this answers sheddie's question too. For a walk-in to happen, there HAS TO BE PRIOR AGREEMENT. It cannot happen against the body or the previous soul's free will. A possession is an invasion of body and soul. Remember, also, that, that particular classification was in direct response to a series of definitions from a previous post. According that those definitions, the closest I would identify with in my case was the walk-in. If someone chooses to define a walk-in as something else (possession for example), then that would no longer apply as something I would identify with.

I do appreciate your concern though. As a rule, however, I do not act from a place of fear or concern from what others might say or do, prove or not prove (it is not my business). So, keeping my fly zipped is not an option

And I totally agree that the body memory and body intelligence question is something worth it's own thread. Then we can all chip in with what we know and/or have experienced and keep this important dialogue going!

[trenairio]

Can you reiterate the story of the "caretaker" pottery woman? Thanks

[Inelia]

Posted by jcocks (here)
Heh... That sounds like me...or rather, sounded like me. I think I might be taking a break though...

On to my own question to Inelia..

What is your take on high-functioning Autism / Aspergers? I've heard that many native races of the Earth regard these types of people as perfect for the shamanic paths (And personally, I have had "connection to the source" as a reccurring theme in many of the card readings I have had done for me)....

Hi jcocks,

I have had very little contact with people with Autism / Aspergers. So cannot comment on your seeing. But it is a very interesting question. I know that there are members here who do have this structural makeup, and I would invite them to give us some input on this question.

Posted by 777 (here)
Hi Inelia, thanks for answering all these questions so far, it's very generous of you.

Nate hinted at this in an earlier question. How would you go about contacting your higher entourage and how would you know whether or not you were successful? Sorry if this sounds a bit simple to you but a layman's terms explanation would be great for me and I'm sure many others.

Earlier you said we could ask our physical body questions in the same way and "feel" the response in its' answer. I'm a feeler myself and yet this is as yet beyond my grasp.

Any help would be great, and thank you again.

Hi 777,

I'd like to post an old article here with some opinions that addresses this a little bit. As the contact with higher self/entourage/Source can be very practical:

There are two main things to remember about guides as you look for them and accept them in your life:

1. They are not here to tell you what to do and to give you orders. I cannot tell you how many people have asked me, "what do my guides want me to do next?". They are not your parents and you are not a child. Asking them what they want us to do is simply a form of avoiding responsibility for our growth, life and actions.

Your guides are here to help you get where YOU WANT TO BE. And they have no judgment, so if your main preoccupation is the thought that you are poor, they will make sure you stay poor because the vibration you are giving is "I am poor". If your main preoccupation is to continue on your soul journey, they will put in your path teachers, books, tv shows, and people who will help you in this journey. And yes, the journey will be flavored with what you think it should be like. So if you believe you have to suffer to get into heaven.. guess what? You will be shown ways to suffer. They are energetic entities, live beings, not supernatural, God like creatures, or figments of your imagination. As such, they have their own evolutionary process to accomplish, part of which is to come to Earth and help with your soul journey or ascension.

2. The way to interact with your guides is on an equal basis, like you are going to meet a good friend who happens to have access to the Universal Library of All. You establish a relationship of trust, then ask for guidance on your latest problem. So, for example, it's not, "tell me what you want me to do next to become an evolved being." Or, coming with a shopping list of items such as, "Can you send me money for childcare, a new car, a beautiful house, my soul-mate, a new job." But, "When I try to merge with Oneness, I am afraid I will loose my identity. Can you tell me if this is going to happen or not?" In other words, be specific. Guides are here to guide us, very much like a Tour Guide on your Earth Holiday. We don't go to the tour guide and tell him or her what they want us to do next! No, we tell them where we want to go and they show us the sites and explain the history and what you can do in the area. But it is our choice of destination.

For example, recently I went to see the movie Avatar, which I highly recommend by the way, and I was reminded of the Interconnectedness of Earth and all that is on Earth, including us. Anyway, I went to bed that night wondering if this interconnectedness is as still strong today as it was when I was a child, or whether in fact we have "ruined" it for all of us through exploitation of natural resources. I asked Mother Earth for a sign, a message, anything, to let me know what the situation was.

The next day, I wake up and go downstairs, put on the kettle, then go to my computer to check email. My study has a very large window overlooking my suburbia garden. There are two large willow trees at the back, one directly in front of my window. Suddenly I see a huge, and I mean HUGE, Redtail Hawk land on this particular tree. My jaw dropped. You see, I am in the middle of the suburb, and had never seen one before in all my years here. Some blackbirds, which were about the 1/3 of the size of this huge hawk, tried to scare it away, it just sat there watching them, and watching me too. Then a tiny little bird made it's way through the branches and stood right next to it, looking at it, had probably never seen such a creature in it's entire life. The hawk just looked at it, as they do, and then looked back at me. You know the feeling you get when you know an intelligent being is looking back at you? Well, that was the feeling I was getting.

I sat down, and instead of checking email, I did a search on the spiritual meaning of redtail Hawks, this is the first page I found:

"Part of the Role for the two-legged beside whom Red Tailed Hawk flies is that of Guardian of the Earth Mother. These are individuals who will possess an astute awareness of the concept of the interconnectedness of all things, and will have an inner reverence for all life." from http://wolfs_moon.tripod.com/RedHawkTotem.html

Do you see how it works? It is simple, yet inspiring, motivating and full of wisdom.

By the way, I'd like to thank Mother Earth for being such a powerful and inspiring Guide and Teacher.

Inelia Benz

[Darla Ken Pearce]

This is so exciting! I can hardly wait to hear the full interview and share in all the joy that has become available for us to share. It is of utmost importance to fill our lives with these new wonderful stories and new lives beginning together in such joy, love, and enlightenment. When one is enabled to find joy and hope and unconditional love, all are uplifted, too, and share in it. So many have come forth to offer their blessings in this thread for Inelia from Bill, it is heartwarming and we haven't even got to see the video yet. Bill and Inelia, you inspire and lift up our spirits just in the knowing of you and being with you. And so it is...all are greatly blessed and we thank you, we thank you, we thank you! Much love and devotion to this new standard and ideal on Avalon! xoxoxoxoxox

[Inelia]

Posted by 777 (here)
Hi Inelia, thanks for answering all these questions so far, it's very generous of you.

Nate hinted at this in an earlier question. How would you go about contacting your higher entourage and how would you know whether or not you were successful? Sorry if this sounds a bit simple to you but a layman's terms explanation would be great for me and I'm sure many others.

Earlier you said we could ask our physical body questions in the same way and "feel" the response in its' answer. I'm a feeler myself and yet this is as yet beyond my grasp.

Any help would be great, and thank you again.

One thing we can begin with, in order to develop a good clear communication with the body, is to start with very simple yes/no questions. So, for example, think of something that you are afraid of that is not logical. It could be dogs, for example, or snakes, and then ask "is my body afraid of [add item here]", it might respond with fear (yes), or not, if not, then ask "am I afraid of [add item here]" and you will know which one is afraid.

If no response is forthcoming form either, then there's something blocking one's communication with self or body. In that case, I would suggest doing the firewall exercise on it.

Hope this resonates and helps 777!

[Inelia]

Posted by trenairio (here)
Can you reiterate the story of the "caretaker" pottery woman? Thanks

A yes, a great example of the body communicating a wrong turn on the road

Bill and I were visiting friends in LA. When we arrived in LA, we took a little trip to Topanga, a place Bill loves and wanted to share with me.

As we drove into the canyon, I felt that the place was alive, and also felt that it had a caretaker.

A caretaker is a human, flesh and blood person who guards, stabilizes and energetically (and sometimes very practically) takes care of a geographical area. The are could be as big as a house, or as big as a country. This is something well known in many native cultures who would see themselves not as owners, but caretakers of Earth. Anyway, having established a telepathic connection, I asked for permission to enter (as is good manners). Permission was granted. And a telepathic dialogue ensued, in which I was clearly able to see that the caretaker was female, white, in her 60s, short dark hair, medium build, physically strong, an artist, gave art classes and was also a respected member of the local community.

I sent her a little energetic "resume" and told her of our intentions.

It was quite late in the evening and we were already late visiting our friends, so we only stayed for about an hour. During that hour, I could feel the caretaker "looking" at us.
Before we left, she sent a very warm and loving welcome, with a special message pertaining to the reason for the visit.

As we left the canyon, I felt the connection cut off. The next day, Bill and I both decided that we wanted to spend more time in Topanga, it's really very, very nice. On the way there, I declared that I really wanted to meet the caretaker in the flesh, that telepathic communication was all very well, but really wanted to meet her.

So, we went to the "village" (a few stores in the main street), and waited outside the local cafe... sending her a big message that we were there and waiting to see her. We waited for quite a while, and time was getting close for us to go back to our friends. It became clear that she was not coming, so we decided we would try locate her ourselves.

We got back in the car and continued on the canyon. Then I started feeling very bad indeed. Bill then asked if I wanted to see the views from the top of the canyon, and we drove up one of the winding roads... I started feeling very, very bad. It was very illogical and I could not understand it. The feelings were "I hate it here, I don't like it here, I don't want to be here". Which was insane because I truly loved the place just a few hours earlier. Then I tapped into the feelings and asked, is this mine? Answer "no". Is this my body's? "yes". OK. I tapped into the body and asked her, "what's going on?" The response was in visuals, saying "WE ARE GOING THE WRONG DIRECTION", plus a visual picture of what road we should have turned at.

As soon as I acknowledged this information, and told Bill, who turned the car around immediately, I felt great again, all those negative feeling were completely gone.

We went back to the road that had been indicated (the instructions were that we had to take a road that was before one we had taken earlier). We turned on the first road after the turn, no, it wasn't it. The second, yes, was it. (feeling good/bad). We went up the correct road, and at one point both Bill and I said, "It's here!". We stopped the car, and looked around. Nothing. We could see no signs that would indicate this is where we could find her.

So, we drove another 100 yards, and on the side of the road we saw a big for sale sign on a field. Bill suggested we park the car there and go for a walk in the field, seeing as we'd been in the car for a while. We got out and started walking up the hill. We came around some bushes, and there was a house there. OOOPS. We were trespassing in someone's back yard.

We stopped and thought of making a quick retreat, but a dog saw us and came over to greet us. It was obvious that if there was a dog there, the owner must be there too. And we decided to stay and apologise for trespassing before leaving. Sure enough, we heard a voice talking near the house, behind some plants, and getting closer. When the person appeared my jaw hit the floor... I grabbed Bill's arm and said, "it's her! It's the caretaker."

It was her! She is a potter, makes beautiful creations in her studio, and holds classes, and is a respected member of the community.

She also had very direct and personal solution with regard the reason for our visiting the area.

She was not aware of our previous (telepathic) communication. But a few questions clarified that she was indeed a caretaker. We told her all about how we found her, and she said that it did not surprise her at all, that the conversation she was having with a friend when we arrived, was all about "signs" of this type. The message I had to deliver to her, was "don't sell the land", but of course, it's her free will to either keep it or sell it.

[Tangri]

Originally Posted by jcocks
Heh... That sounds like me...or rather, sounded like me. I think I might be taking a break though...

On to my own question to Inelia..

What is your take on high-functioning Autism / Aspergers? I've heard that many native races of the Earth regard these types of people as perfect for the shamanic paths (And personally, I have had "connection to the source" as a reccurring theme in many of the card readings I have had done for me)....
Hi jcocks,
Although ASD is not my major practice. I can tell few words maybe helps you.
ASD has wide range of diagnostics. Aspergers like a strong selfish personality, they can focus on very detailed subject but no empathy. Their communication skill allows us to approach them. For me, it is most reward able type of ASD. But still needs to have a ABA to classified.
Swimming with dolphins helps to training. Shamanic paths ( if it is not radical) can help. But critical point is your stamina as a companion.
Love and Peace

[9eagle9]

This however puts the soul in a entirely diffferent light then? ( I did mention there's traps to this and we've just jumped into one...lol).

Most people operate under the premise that the soul is unconditional. Without conditions. The source of unconditional love. Isn't this in part your message as well? That we must shake off our conditioning to find that pure unconditioned expressive essence?

To suggest the soul comes under a contract or agreement is an opposing core value that negates the first one. . An agreement and contract is a condition, and they are found in body memory. Is the soul found in body memory? So what you are introducing here is that the soul in conditional and can assume contracts and agreements.

That right there may be why you will find folks getting testy with the material that you are presenting. (( I for one am not to let you know ))

And because the souls and consciousness is pretty important stuff , I'd have to say that I can understand why people would express angry sentiments event though they aren't sure why. They are being presented with opposing core values. And that is a testament right there that people are more aware than they know...they just don't know it....lol.

The soul is unconditional and the soul is conditional. Two opposing concepts. It makes people nutz and then will climb up your ya ya for it.

Posted by Inelia (here)
Hi 9eagle9,

Thank you for your thoughts and clarifications: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post210358

With regard being scrutinized, not a problem for me at all. I am not here to "convince" people of "truths" but simply share my personal journey as well as what tools and knowings I have come across that have helped me and others. If there is something I don't understand, I say so. If there's something I don't know about, or not equipped to answer I say so Not a problem.

People can take my personal opinions and knowings into their lives or leave it, just like everything else on the planet. I have no attachment to either response. If what I say, and what I have experienced, and how I interpret it helps, it helps, if it doesn't it doesn't. A person has to take what I say and scrutinize it before integrating it into their lives, this is a healthy thing to do, as ultimately their life is their own responsibility.

As to walk-ins as possession, there is a distinction between the two, and this answers sheddie's question too. For a walk-in to happen, there HAS TO BE PRIOR AGREEMENT. It cannot happen against the body or the previous soul's free will. A possession is an invasion of body and soul. Remember, also, that, that particular classification was in direct response to a series of definitions from a previous post. According that those definitions, the closest I would identify with in my case was the walk-in. If someone chooses to define a walk-in as something else (possession for example), then that would no longer apply as something I would identify with.

I do appreciate your concern though. As a rule, however, I do not act from a place of fear or concern from what others might say or do, prove or not prove (it is not my business). So, keeping my fly zipped is not an option

And I totally agree that the body memory and body intelligence question is something worth it's own thread. Then we can all chip in with what we know and/or have experienced and keep this important dialogue going!

[manny]

david topi stated in a ealier post that he is living two lifes at the same time.
at that time i found it difficult to even conceive the idea.
but lo and behold i just read tonight a section of the book
journey of souls
of which dr newton explains that we are all part source and some of us are able to to live two or more lives at once.
interesting synchronicity.
teaching and learning will come to us in many ways and forms.
just open your eyes to the clues,as someone stated somewhere.

[Anchor]

Posted by sheddie (here)
I would like to ask if the body you 'walked into' minded you taking over as I too do extraction work as a shamanic practitioner and people often want possessions removed.

The comparison between walk-in and possession is understandable, but I dont think they are the same.

With possession so far as I know, freewill plays no part, and it is done through subjugation and not necessarily "eviction" of the previous inhabitant!

Walk-in is a free-will agreement between souls. (So the former soul would not mind as it was all part of the agreement) and they both, for their own reasons want to do let that situation roll in the 3d world as each will derive their own desired learning.

The danger in the "3d" world is that the person (body) pre and post walk-in event may appear radically different to people that know them, leading them to suspect "possession" of the nasty kind.

If inelia's walk-in moment was before that personality had a chance to shine, so no-one would see a difference, using "normal" perception that is.

John..

[Anchor]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
its own unique challenges as the PTB eyeball everything and look for a way to fumfoozle it from what it really means to be

LOL - fumfoozle has to be the word of the day

9eagle9, thankyou for your posts.

John..

[9eagle9]

But John. It still begs the question. Is the soul conditional or not? Is it unconditioned, or can it be conditioned? If its making agreements its setting conditions or operating in them.It can make the agreement to be harvested. If it can make an agreement than it is an essence that is subject to conditions. If a soul can make an agreeable agreement (lol) then it could conceivably make an agreement that doesn't serve us very well. We KNOW the consciousness and subconsciousness does that. So why does the soul need to do it. Now we've opened another can of worms to conceivably wade through, soul, and consciousness agreements. It blows the door wide open onto speculating as to what other conditions would be allowed.

While the entire time we are struggling to get into that unconditioned place we have been led to believe exists for us. Why? Its as conditioned and under agreement as other facets of our life?

I know this is a hard question believe me I know it is.

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Posted by sheddie (here)
I would like to ask if the body you 'walked into' minded you taking over as I too do extraction work as a shamanic practitioner and people often want possessions removed.

The comparison between walk-in and possession is understandable, but I dont think they are the same.

With possession so far as I know, freewill plays no part, and it is done through subjugation and not necessarily "eviction" of the previous inhabitant!

Walk-in is a free-will agreement between souls. (So the former soul would not mind as it was all part of the agreement) and they both, for their own reasons want to do let that situation roll in the 3d world as each will derive their own desired learning.

The danger in the "3d" world is that the person (body) pre and post walk-in event may appear radically different to people that know them, leading them to suspect "possession" of the nasty kind.

If inelia's walk-in moment was before that personality had a chance to shine, so no-one would see a difference, using "normal" perception that is.

John..