CONSPIRACISM-Avalons Most Important Thread

[Koyaanisqatsi]

T Smith makes a very valid point. The villains came first, then the masses (usually the fringe thereof) began to look and question.

[Jake]

I first found myself on the other side of TPTB when I was very young. long story short,, me an my friend,,, we were beat up by a couple of cops for no reason whatsoever. Just a couple of ego driven cops, out for mayhem. The problem was that instead of making up a crime, and taking us to jail, they just left us there in the middle of the street and drove away. There was hell to pay, my mother was SCORN. We did everything we could to expose these bastards. We know the truth. I got my education on what a coverup looks and feels like. Those bastards got away scott free. They even followed us around after that and intimidated us. My friend moved away without saying a word, and eventually my mom and dad moved us away as well.

I believe it is important not to pretend EVERYTHING is a conspiracy,,, I feel it is more important not to let the evil people of the world get away with hurting others and the planet. This is not a psychological phenomenon. This i good vs evil. I learned my lessons from actual experience, not what psychological academics assume. Either way,,, excellent discussion. Thanx. Jake...

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Posted by Matts (here)
Koyaansisqatsi, what is your own believe in this case? And what about the conspiracies that where behind the beginning the World Wars and Vietnam War etc etc? Theories? Those conspiracy (theories) are now general knowledge.
And I agree with you in order to question his own beliefs. At the same time it's good to question the purposes behind any challenge, even those in Wikipedia. Established science (in this case psychology) mostly works in the interests of their sponsoring groups. It's not independent. Wikipedia doesn't give correct answers in such ideological kind topics. Wikipedia is useful to get knowledge about old railroad-lines or some chemical formula, but if there is any topic which could be used to manipulate somehow your thinking you have no chance to find the r e a l answer. So trust your own inner voice and let your heart sometimes find the answer.
Those my thoughts

If you take a look at my post history, you will find posts on HAARP, Federal Reserve bank, ETs, Geo engineering and tectonic weaponry. I am, in essence, a HUGE conspiracy theorist and have researched them all meticulously. That really is why I find this issue so important for ME: am I being objective about the world around me? Or am I being victimized by some unknown aspect of my psyche that gets some closure/gratification/ or solace out of thinking my life is being controlled by something or someone besides myself??? It is an important concept for us all to address perhaps...

[jegz]

Posted by The One (here)
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[Neal]

Would the opposite of "conspiracism" be "spongism", reciting and believing everything you're told?

I believe that critical thinking is essential to being alive today.

[Some Bloke]

Conspiracy theories are usually based on leaked info, everyones heard of wikileaks, but this guy was there years before, http://cryptome.org/
Enjoy!

[sandy]

Hi All,

Great thread. I personally look for the truth because my spirit and belief systems will not accept that overall humanity is cruel, deceitful, evil, uncaring and out to kill one another. I believe in the goodness of humankind and will delve into all dark areas to affirm that it is a small few versus civilization who create destruction on our planet.

That being said...............individually, I also believe we are complicit in allowing further destruction when we do not dare to investigate what, why, where, and how is this happening and by who. For those bringing additional evidence, or information and facts to a stated truth we are suppose to accept because those in power say so, I say hallelujah, because somewhere in that the Truth will eventually be revealed.

Hopefully in my lifetime

[Fred Steeves]

Has anyone noticed how often terms like conspiracy theory, the whacko fringe element, etc. are being used in media these days? The more I see it the funnier it gets. If simply questioning the birth certificate or the Bin Laden deal puts one in the category of lunatic fringe now, where is one placed who thinks it's likely there are jump rooms to Mars, the moon is not natural, or the human race is in the ascension process?

More to my point though, discovering generally what's really going on behind the scenes serves a purpose, but only so far. It puts one on the path of exploration, and the problem must be seen in order for a solution to be sought; but, once you discover that exploration of the self is where the real action is, to continue doggedly chasing down every detail to every new deception becomes more and more just a case of admiring the problem.

The problem is far bigger and more complex than we can ever imagine or research, but the solution has the infinite power of love and simplicity which resides right inside each and every one of us.

S**t, did I just blather on without addressing the essence of the thread? Pardon me while I go and give myself a good talkin to...


Cheers,
Fred S.

[fathertedsmate]

your eyes are there for a reason

[Shezbeth]

Well, it seems that one has to answer a simple question. I won't reference any of my own research to make this statement.

Are these Psychologists accurate in their assessment?

For ME the answer is obvious. ^_^

[sandy]

Hi again,

I was just sitting here wondering if anyone else has had these thoughts about many of the conspiracies, DISTRACTIONS overall. Maybe they are kept alive by agent provocateurs to keep us from investigating and understanding what Free Energy is, why it is suppressed. Just think if we had Free Energy how much faster our spiritual evolution would happen individually and collectively. Even the teaching of spirituality today are encouraging individuals to be focused within themselves to find the answers/ great but what a slow process for humanity at large.

Maybe if we, all that are awake, focused on Free Energy and how to stop the suppression we would free humanity from drudgery and slavery. The potentials of a healing planet and civilizations are unlimited. And that is not a conspiracy theory

[sshenry]

All things are possible. Not always probable, mind you, but possible, which means that keeping an open mind is critical to the search for truth. But without reasonable skepticism and application of critical thinking/reasoning, having an open mind can be detrimental to your mental stability as you'll believe anything that anyone tells you.

That aside, there are plenty of people who do not want to take responsibility for their own actions/decisions etc. They WANT there to be someone to blame for the way their lives have turned out. Being able to find a scapegoat is much simpler than taking stock of your own life and changing those things that you don't like.

This doesn't mean that there aren't bad things happening, that there aren't people taking advantage of others, but if you look a little deeper, even legitimate conspiracy theories have one thing in common, the person(s) that are being taken in by the operation (whatever it is) are allowing it to happen. They willingly hand over their personal power to someone or something outside of themselves, and then complain that they are being taken advantage of.

We have the ability to own our own power, always, regardless of what anyone else has decided to do, and by remaining aware of what is going on around us, by keeping that open mind but by subjecting everything we encounter to reasonable skepticism and critical thinking/reasoning (as well as keeping an open heart) we can be free of the web of illusion that allows people to be drawn into others' attempts to manipulate and control.

[mondaze]

if more than person is involved its a conspiracy....fact not theory!

[linz2d]

"Don't judge a book by its cover."

"Dont believe everything you read."

"History is written by the winners."

"Ignorance is bliss."

All these saying have been around been around for years, and if you live by them you'll soon be labelled a conspiracy theorist. If you are open up to the possibility that things are not as they appear to be, you become a wiser person. However the problem lies when dogmatism sets in, be it from the establishment or a conspiracy theorist.

[Nasu]

Posted by linz2d (here)

"Ignorance is bliss."

Ignorance is not bliss, its poverty. As Mondaze observed, we here at Avalon are a conspiracy of sorts, we are conspiring to find out the truth, if such a thing exists, most, if not all human interaction is a conspiracy against someone else, take business for example, the very foundation stone of our world society. I do find it interesting though how the term "conspiracy theory" shuts minds down and makes people get angry or sigh or turn their head, it seems to be like a physiological trigger to go back to sleep, mind control perhaps, or maybe I am just a paranoid loser as the first post would suggest. In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.. N

[linz2d]

Posted by Nasu (here)

Posted by linz2d (here)

"Ignorance is bliss."

Ignorance is not bliss, its poverty. As Mondaze observed, we here at Avalon are a conspiracy of sorts, we are conspiring to find out the truth, if such a thing exists, most, if not all human interaction is a conspiracy against someone else, take business for example, the very foundation stone of our world society. I do find it interesting though how the term "conspiracy theory" shuts minds down and makes people get angry or sigh or turn their head, it seems to be like a physiological trigger to go back to sleep, mind control perhaps, or maybe I am just a paranoid loser as the first post would suggest. In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.. N

What I meant from "Ignorence is bliss" are for those who take the world at face value and accept everything that is told to them, they are bliss in their ignorance but as soon as you begin to delve into the depths you may find some scary truths. And so the bliss is gone.

[Nasu]

Posted by linz2d (here)

Posted by Nasu (here)

Posted by linz2d (here)

"Ignorance is bliss."

Ignorance is not bliss, its poverty. As Mondaze observed, we here at Avalon are a conspiracy of sorts, we are conspiring to find out the truth, if such a thing exists, most, if not all human interaction is a conspiracy against someone else, take business for example, the very foundation stone of our world society. I do find it interesting though how the term "conspiracy theory" shuts minds down and makes people get angry or sigh or turn their head, it seems to be like a physiological trigger to go back to sleep, mind control perhaps, or maybe I am just a paranoid loser as the first post would suggest. In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.. N

What I meant from "Ignorence is bliss" are for those who take the world at face value and accept everything that is told to them, they are bliss in their ignorance but as soon as you begin to delve into the depths you may find some scary truths. And so the bliss is gone.

I know you did. Sorry, I didn't mean it to sound personal against you. Your right, the bliss goes, but after time comes empowerment and self reliance of thought and action. In my small experience I only uncover more questions, not answers, for those I have come to trust my gut.. N

[Peacelovinman]

There is a psychological aspect to all theories, in my opinion. This is why mainstream science has, and continues to do so, held fast to outdated theories despite evidence that those theories were wrong.

A conspiracy theory is merely the theory that events happen due to the planning, in secret, of more than one individual. That could be said of most of the events, dare we say all the important geo-political events, that occur on our planet. However, as other posters have pointed out, the term is used to trigger the thought "whacko" when a media type applies it to a person questioning the status quo.

It behoves us all, IMHO, to continually examine our beliefs and ensure that the evidence still indicates they are valid, and we are not holding them due to some psychological pay-off or another.

[Nasu]

Posted by Peacelovinman (here)
There is a psychological aspect to all theories, in my opinion. This is why mainstream science has, and continues to do so, held fast to outdated theories despite evidence that those theories were wrong.

A conspiracy theory is merely the theory that events happen due to the planning, in secret, of more than one individual. That could be said of most of the events, dare we say all the important geo-political events, that occur on our planet. However, as other posters have pointed out, the term is used to trigger the thought "whacko" when a media type applies it to a person questioning the status quo.

It behoves us all, IMHO, to continually examine our beliefs and ensure that the evidence still indicates they are valid, and we are not holding them due to some psychological pay-off or another.

I agree, we must be cautious of holding anything to be true, other than our senses and discernment. Our limited view is so subjective, I believe that is one of the greatest strengths of this forum, the opportunity to see something from a very different viewpoint to our own, yet find it can resonate enough to warrant further study or investigation. The other great strength is its power to transform, its a numbers game, 1900+ and counting, souls giving daily ripples out into their wider communities. I love you guys.. N x

[KosmicKat]

Posted by sandy (here)
Hi again,

I was just sitting here wondering if anyone else has had these thoughts about many of the conspiracies, DISTRACTIONS overall. Maybe they are kept alive by agent provocateurs to keep us from investigating and understanding what Free Energy is, why it is suppressed. Just think if we had Free Energy how much faster our spiritual evolution would happen individually and collectively. Even the teaching of spirituality today are encouraging individuals to be focused within themselves to find the answers/ great but what a slow process for humanity at large.

I agree that a great many of the conspiracy theories that grab our attention are distractions. If we begin to become enlightened, we become that much harder to contain.

But free energy, to give us more free time to seek enlightenment? I think that might be a blind alley for a lot of us. My own studies suggest that many people at least behave in a more enlightened way in more demanding situations. Can't remember which thread, but there is one developing today that explores our imprisonment in our own minds. When we can work or play flat out without sacrificing spiritual awareness, we are approaching enlightenment.

Posted by Nasu (here)
I agree, we must be cautious of holding anything to be true, other than our senses and discernment.

And don't forget the caveat of Ebenezer Scrooge when confronted with the spectre of Jacob Marley; even our senses are liars. It is my belief that when we find the truth, we find it first within ourselves!