TIME DOES NOT EXIST - verified my previous posts today by BBC NEWS

[Jake]

King Anthony, great find. So, that would mean that time is completely subjective, and relative to the observer. AND that the 'speed' at which time passes is also, completely subjective, and relative to the observer. That is why mathematical physicists are baffled. I mean, it seems that the math is breaking down. I have a feeling that if you were to enter Consciousness into the equations as a variable, lets say big"C" over little"c", that it all math in existence would simplify into; big"C" over little"c". But science does not want to open the floodgates to the study of Consciousness. I feel that it is inevitable.

[Realeyes]

Posted by RAKMEiSTER (here)
Could It Be? Spooky Experiments That 'See' The Future
January 4, 2011

One of the most respected, senior and widely published professors of psychology, Daryl Bem of Cornell, has just published an article that suggests that people — ordinary people — can be altered by experiences they haven't had yet. Time, he suggests, is leaking. The Future has slipped, unannounced, into the Present. And he thinks he can prove it.

Thank you Rakmeister for a very informative post! This is really interesting what you quote about Time ‘leaking’.

I had a strange experience some years ago whereby I had the ‘effect’ before the ‘cause’. I was getting undressed ready for bed when I noticed I had a huge (two hand size) bruise coloured purple and black on my right thigh. It was not there at the start of the day and I had not done anything that would have caused such a bad bruise – and strangely it didn’t hurt or feel sore. I intuitively felt there was a mystery to this bruise that was somehow connected to 'Time' – but feeling sleepy I quickly placed this crazy thought to the back of my mind and went to sleep. The next day I awoke still with the bruise and no pain.
Around 12 hours later, rushing about with my mind on other things, I accidently collided with some force into a wheel chair – right where my bruise was! Suddenly my bruise began to throb like hell – “Ah”, I said to myself, “That’s how I got the bruise”. Really strange – but true.

[truthseekerdan]

Thought that this video will make a good addition here.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Bp_fK5fP0BU

[king anthony]

Posted by Jake (here)
So, that would mean that time is completely subjective, and relative to the observer. AND that the 'speed' at which time passes is also...

...why mathematical physicists are baffled. I mean, it seems that the math is breaking down.
...science does not want to open the floodgates to the study of Consciousness. I feel that...

"Time' is an illusion; however, not in the holographic sense as it has been made out to be. It is about perception and the foundation of perception is emotion, which are 'chemicals' within the 'bio-computer' of the body.

The state of reality is 'real' and the now is fact - have you (or anyone) noticed how time and the perception of things in reality have recently quickened?

I did write of these things (not mathematically) when I was round nine years of age; however, not using the same vocabulary as now. I still have (somewhere) a few pieces of paper I wrote these things on; I once recall showing them to a professor of mine many years ago. Back on topic.

Mathematics, despite what mainstream society believes, is but a language; one I admittedly do not know well. Some, mostly those in the mathematics profession, make claim that mathematics is the 'key to unlocking all things' - not true, as it can only describe certain things.

Mathematics is limited by itself, in that, it attempts to equate something that cannot be equated. As 'evolution' (not Darwinian) may explain, through snapshots of a process, change; mathematics, may describe (through its language) a process of outcome.

Mathematics is being reduced (breaking down) because it attempts to 'speak' thought outside of it limits. Thought is not mathematical, as thought is consciousness and consciousness being perception - which is emotion.

[kenkyushiryo]

Posted by Realeyes (here)
~
Around 12 hours later,~

a glitch in the matrix?

[kenkyushiryo]

just saw this now too -

may i present to you all the inventor of standard time:

Sir Sandford Fleming

video link:
http://www.histori.ca/minutes/minute.do?id=10182

Synopsis

The Nineteenth Century was the Age of Steam, an era when technical innovators like Sandford Fleming transformed the face of the industrial world and took on the stature of national heroes. This Historica Minute captures the energy and spirit of the dynamic chief engineer of the Canadian Pacific Railway who surveyed the first rail route across Canada, designed our first postage stamp, and successfully championed the Trans-Pacific telegraph cable which was laid from Vancouver to Australia. Fleming also achieved lasting international fame as the "Father of Standard Time." Before Sandford Fleming invented Standard Time, 12 p.m. in Kingston was twelve minutes later than 12 p.m. in Montréal and thirteen minutes before 12 p.m. in Toronto. Noon was the time when the sun stood exactly overhead. This was the way clocks were set all over the world. In the old days, locally-based time made sense to everyone, but with the introduction of railways, it became highly inconvenient and inefficient. Imagine traveling across the country by train. At every stop along the way, you would have to reset your time piece by the local clocks. Travelers sometimes carried a number of watches, or one with six different faces, each labeled with the name of a different city. It was also a nightmare for railway station-masters, who could not deal with train schedules based on local time. The result was chaos for a transcontinental railway.

For Sandford Fleming the solution to this problem was a universal system of time, that would not only work for Halifax and Victoria, but for Paris and New Delhi as well. He devised a world map divided into 24 Time Zones. Within each zone the clocks would indicate the same time, with a one hour difference between adjoining zones.

Fleming's idea was simple, straightforward, and practical, but it was new, and therefore difficult for people to accept. For years it was dismissed by governments and rejected by scientific societies. Fleming was even called a Communist for his "internationalist" notions, and reviled by some who believed that such interference with the nature of time was contrary to the will of God.

Fleming, however, was persistent and very persuasive in promoting his idea. Eventually he won official approval at the International Prime Meridian Conference in Washington, D.C., and Standard Time went into effect on January 1, 1885. It was a glorious achievement. Without Standard Time, modern life as we know it today would be an impossiblity.

[TimelessDimensions]

Did you know that the Hopi Indians do not use past tense or future tense in their language?

They do however talk about things as "manifested" or "un-manifested".

[Carmody]

The information I gathered over the past few weeks is, er interesting, to say the least.

Atomic structuring of vorticies, or the vortex of atomic structure that is made up of an 'inne' and an 'outie' of a minimum of two 2d waves. What I mean is that two 2d waves meet and one is at a different vibration and intersect with the other and thus at their meeting point they create a 'particle' and the particle has a inner spin and an outer spin and this balance out as a dual vortex. This is the Fibonacci aspect of the particles that make up an 'atomic structure' we call an atom.

The different vectors (sum total) is the actual particle thus the wave particle duality and all aspects of mass, electrical function, gravity, time,and..space. Quanta as the gap across two is the aspect of time. The vector sum differential value between the two particles. Thus it can be seen that only one pair of 2d waves are needed to create all known aspects of time, space, reality, etc.

I'm trying to figure out how to pace or start this as the final bits of information are potentially a bit disturbing.

It takes what we like to think of as the 'evil' in this world and pins it to the wall for all to see. To 'frame it' so to speak. And that can be a very powerful thing. However, improperly delivered it can create fear- instead. Which is what I'm trying to avoid. One must remember that if one 'sees' that certain things are real, things that may be uncomfortable as it brings dimensional beings into a 3d reality..then the rest is possible as well, and one is empowered with their own potentials in the same moment. This is very important to understand. Specifically that it is like coin one is given or shown. Try not to look at just the one side of it.

It takes all the esoteric lore, with no need to name or place it all (sum total), into a single basic point of a framework idea. It puts the alchemy and what it's supposed reasons to exist.... and what we know esoteric lore and what we know about reality function, and puts it all in one spot. Science, cutting edge physics, the whole lot of it.

I stumbled into it by accident when researching some of my own journeys or sojurns as an astral presence in different parts of the world. Either I was a rider in another being in these particular cases or I was 'out and about.'..and I had some, er ..'golem' type aspects to my presence. (seen by other humans) While researching why I might be in those areas of the planet ....I stumbled across a few things that practically knocked me out of my chair with what they were saying to me.

I believe parts of this information are known by some of the more deepset power structures on this planet (knowledge is power, etc) but not known by the general public in the ways I'm looking to communicate. I suspect it is not as well understood by many of the power structures in some ways as i'd like to deliver to you. What I mean is that many will have knowledge of some of the aspects... but not have the understanding to know what it means. It's 3 am here and I'm off for the moment.. more later.

[oceanz]

Quote from Carmody in the 'Time does not exist thread' https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...BBC-NEWS/page2
Atomic structuring of vorticies, or the vortex of atomic structure that is made up of an 'inne' and an 'outie' of a minimum of two 2d waves. What I mean is that two 2d waves meet and one is at a different vibration and intersect with the other and thus at their meeting point they create a 'particle' and the particle has a inner spin and an outer spin and this balance out as a dual vortex. This is the Fibonacci aspect of the particles that make up an 'atomic structure' we call an atom.

Using the information that Carmody has presented and the picture above, my interpretation of time would be the lines orbiting the Earth would be the man made creation of a unit called "time". In the case of Earth, lets say 365 days.

The horizontal lines would be 'Past, Present, Future" and where they intersect the orbiting lines of "time" I would class as "Now".

So imagine more orbiting lines and horizontal lines and where they intersect would be "Now, now, now, now" infinite.

So at the smallest measurement of "time" the "Now" is you "Past, present and future".

Anyway, that's just my interpretation. (copy of my original post in Magnetic Time Vortex over Antartica).

[Bill Ryan]

From Julian Barbour's website:

http://platonia.com/books.html

In The End of Time, which is written both for the popular-science market and for scientists and philosophers, I argue that the apparent passage of time is an illusion.

If we could stand outside the universe and ‘see it as it is’, it would appear to be static. I arrive at this radical conclusion by considering the most basic structure of Einstein’s general theory of relativity and quantum mechanics. These are the two fundamental theories of physics, and both have been confirmed to exceptional accuracy within their respective domains of validity: large-scale phenomena for Einstein’s theory, microscopic phenomena for quantum mechanics.

They have, however, remarkably different structures. In particular, time is treated in completely different ways in the two theories. This presents a severe problem, since all serious workers in the field are convinced that the two theories must eventually be subsumed in a single over-arching theory. This will be the quantum theory of the universe (also called quantum gravity).

The finding of this theory presents many great difficulties, of which the ‘problem of time’ is perhaps the most severe. It seems that a choice has to be made between two irreconcilable notions of time. I argue that the only satisfactory solution is to abolish time altogether.

I outline a timeless quantum theory of the universe. This includes a proposed solution to one of the most intractable problems of physics: what is the origin of the so-called arrow of time? Why is it that all phenomena distinguish a common direction of time (i.e., why does entropy increase?) but the equations of physics are symmetric with respect to the direction of time?

The equations of physics allow not only the shattering of a cup that is dropped on the floor but also the re-assembly of the pieces. However, that is never observed. I believe that a theory of the universe should explain why entropy increases. In The End of Time, I suggest that a fundamental asymmetry in the space of all the possible structures of the universe could provide a basis for the arrow of time.

[mosquito]

One of the biggest problems we face in attempting to understand the idea of the non-existence of time is our language. In English we have about 17 different tenses/aspects (depending on how you classify them), so our language and indeed our thought processes are predicated on the existence of time, on cause and effect, on linearity and logic. Communicating and understanding the non-existence of time is therefore fraught with difficulties, and I'm not even going to attempt to do so ! My understanding of this comes largely through meditation, dreams and the use of entheogens. Something to ponder is the following quote from Werner Heisenberg :
"at the very small space-time level - ie at the level of magnitude of elementary partcles - space and time are in some strange way blurred, in such a way that within such minute time-spans, the very concepts before and after can no longer be properly defined. In a general sense, nothing can of course be said to have altrered as far as the actual structure of space-time is concerned, but we need to recognise the possibility that experiments into what goes on at the quite small space-time level will show that certain processes can take place in the opposite order to that which causality apparently requires."
Another thing to bear in mind is that if time really is an illusion, then there are some quite profound consequences for that sacred cow of Western philosophy - free will. And I can testify from personal experience that there are certain situations and events in one's life where one is being acted on by "the future" and, hard though it is to admit, one has no will, and just does what is required, almost like acting from a script. Please understand, I'm not saying this because I read it in a book, but because I've experienced it.
Great thread, thanks for all the insight ! Philip

[TimelessDimensions]

It is possible to experience multiple timelines simultaneously..

It's rather fun actually

[OnyxKnight]

There is only an "eternal now", that even itself could be turned into a state of no motion, no duration, if one was able to observe the universe from a non-subject area of the existing laws of physics and space/time that apply here.

Sort of, state of discontinuity.

[ghostrider]

everything evolves, the only difference between today and yesterday is the earth turned around on it's axis.

[Carmody]

Posted by Carmody (here)
The information I gathered over the past few weeks is, er interesting, to say the least.

Atomic structuring of vorticies, or the vortex of atomic structure that is made up of an 'inne' and an 'outie' of a minimum of two 2d waves. What I mean is that two 2d waves meet and one is at a different vibration and intersect with the other and thus at their meeting point they create a 'particle' and the particle has a inner spin and an outer spin and this balance out as a dual vortex. This is the Fibonacci aspect of the particles that make up an 'atomic structure' we call an atom.

The different vectors (sum total) is the actual particle thus the wave particle duality and all aspects of mass, electrical function, gravity, time,and..space. Quanta as the gap across two is the aspect of time. The vector sum differential value between the two particles. Thus it can be seen that only one pair of 2d waves are needed to create all known aspects of time, space, reality, etc.

I'm trying to figure out how to pace or start this as the final bits of information are potentially a bit disturbing.

It takes what we like to think of as the 'evil' in this world and pins it to the wall for all to see. To 'frame it' so to speak. And that can be a very powerful thing. However, improperly delivered it can create fear- instead. Which is what I'm trying to avoid. One must remember that if one 'sees' that certain things are real, things that may be uncomfortable as it brings dimensional beings into a 3d reality..then the rest is possible as well, and one is empowered with their own potentials in the same moment. This is very important to understand. Specifically that it is like coin one is given or shown. Try not to look at just the one side of it.

It takes all the esoteric lore, with no need to name or place it all (sum total), into a single basic point of a framework idea. It puts the alchemy and what it's supposed reasons to exist.... and what we know esoteric lore and what we know about reality function, and puts it all in one spot. Science, cutting edge physics, the whole lot of it.

I stumbled into it by accident when researching some of my own journeys or sojurns as an astral presence in different parts of the world. Either I was a rider in another being in these particular cases or I was 'out and about.'..and I had some, er ..'golem' type aspects to my presence. (seen by other humans) While researching why I might be in those areas of the planet ....I stumbled across a few things that practically knocked me out of my chair with what they were saying to me.

I believe parts of this information are known by some of the more deepset power structures on this planet (knowledge is power, etc) but not known by the general public in the ways I'm looking to communicate. I suspect it is not as well understood by many of the power structures in some ways as i'd like to deliver to you. What I mean is that many will have knowledge of some of the aspects... but not have the understanding to know what it means. It's 3 am here and I'm off for the moment.. more later.

The completion of that thought, as mentioned in this thread is:


'Who's Driving the Dreambus' thread in the Spirituality area

'Spirals Everywhere' as stated by Loki

'The Question of Lithium' in the man forum area

'Pyramid building Solved' in the archeology section

'Quantum Vs Newtonian' in the alternate science area


As an example (one of hundreds-to thousands of potential examples) of this specific point, I mention it as I link to a David Hammel site in one of the threads. I found an image presented by David. The image he is presenting is one of OLDER physics textobooks. A tiny bit in them that was removed.

In that bit from the older textbook was the clearly delivered thought that time and all associated phenomena, gravity, magnetism, voltage, etc, where all differential aspects of two particles in RELATION to one another and out side of that relational aspect, time, etc..fails to exist.

One dimension, no distinctions of any kind possible.

Two dimensions in relation to one another, can create vector and differential.

3d dimension is a reflection of the now of the 1 but as viewed as the discrete quanta steps of the paired 2d particles.

You find that the full aspects of this are all allowed for and indeed covered in the basic math..in Maxwell's full unedited works on Electromagnetism. When reading those threads you will find the information trail on how the editing of his works seemingly came about.

Eg, the Cone, a 2d shape. it has only two sides. Yet it appears to be 3d. It bridges the gap between 2d and 3d. It's function is mentioned in a thread of recent in the main section on the AI in as many as a few words (As indicators) by Interphase. I expanded on it. The 'arrow and the Cone', Interphase said.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...controls-Earth

Or, "the vector and the spiral".

David Hamell used giant cones to affect an antigravity device. These were made out of cement, believe it or not. They weighed tons.

The reason such 'uneducated men' can get so dang far down the road is that the basic concepts and executions of such ideas are absurdly simple, once the concepts are realized. The reason that alchemy is so heavily self editorializing and hidden is the same. Once the concepts are understood the physical execution of the ideas involved can be done by relatively simple means. The solutions do not require laboratories, physics degrees, lab coats, clipboards and thick glasses, or multi-billion dollar hardware...all that crap. None of that is required.

All that...that is a manifestation of pursuing things that are not specifically simplistic and fundamental. Those are technical refinements of minor channels of change and alteration.

Fundamentals.... do not require such giant complex houses of cards.

The usual deal: we go through immense amounts of complexity to find ourselves circling back around to the start with a different view.... and find that the answers we seek are actually --absurdly simple.

Your specific problem revolves around the mental growth and outlook of your 'self' and fellow 'human'.

For example. This was worked on by Walter Gerlach and Gabriel Kron, with regard to the mechanics of it and how it plays out. This became the Nazi WWII experiments and results, as reported in great depth and clarity by Joseph Farrell. In those works, Farrell describes live a test they did of a hand grenade sized (literally) device.

These devices, hand grenade sized ...had a power not that much less than a few thousand tons of TNT. One of those would wipe out a small town, in it's entirety. No radiation signature and not made out of radioactive materials - in the modern (design and execution) sense. We are talking about nano materials and nano alloys that are made in a specific way, is all. This has been around since the early 1940's. In the grander sense, this technology (and similar materials) has been around for thousands of years in the realm of alchemy.

The nano materials bridge the gap between quantum and Newtonian.

Your problem revolves not around the dangers of this type of physical manifestation of the divine, it revolves around your particular level of multi-dimensional manifestation ,and specifically --clarity on who and what you are.

The danger involved is that the mechanistic edifice we call a human, this duality critter, this physicality will be full of fear from the changes involved and will individually be a danger to the further manifestation of the collective or the concerned individual.

Basically, the idea of currently educated and current awareness of, example..the angst filled and bodily and mentally polluted 15 year or male of the human species. or anyone who has the mental development of such a outlook on existence. Ie, someone that is thoroughly mundane on their outlook..and confuses their fears with it ideas of what reality is. Meaning, the get a hold of such understandings and execute such devices and attempt to use them. What I'm trying to say is imagine 1 million religions or idealistic ground-pounder fundamentalists with the power that is beyond known atomic structures..in their hands.

What we have on our hands right now, is an education and conceptual gap that needs to be instilled in the masses in some fashion BEFORE such capabilities and considerations hit the general public.

At the same time, we appear to have something that is trying to hold all developments of any kind in humankind...completely back. To push humankind into a zero and even negative physiological and psychological state. To regress any progress in man (define progress, please. good luck). I'm not paranoid about these considerations as I should not be.

Paranoia is a bodily reaction to unknowns. So it may be good in fomenting thought and even action but... is it 'right' action and 'right' thought?

[Tony]

Dear All,

Doesn't time only relate to things... that change?

Two non-things that do not change are space and consciousness.

The space in front of you, does not change, does it?
The consciousness observing that space, does not change, does it?

Just wondered,
pie'n'eal

[Carmody]

Oh yes, P vs NP. It is core to this dilemma. The answer is that P=NP and also that P does not equal NP.

Both are true. I started to explain my understanding of how that is true..in another thread..but I can't remember what thread it is...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Prize_Problems

[Carmody]

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
Dear All,

Doesn't time only relate to things... that change?

Two non-things that do not change are space and consciousness.

The space in front of you, does not change, does it?
The consciousness observing that space, does not change, does it?

Just wondered,
pie'n'eal

Yes, but you are not a complete integrated consciousness in this space, are you?

Therefore ----change is your norm? However much such understandings and unfoldings complicates our 'lives', change is the only norm that brings the desire for unfolding and growth nearer to completion?

[king anthony]

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
Doesn't time only relate to things... that change?

Two non-things that do not change are space and consciousness.

The space in front of you, does not change, does it?
The consciousness observing that space, does not change, does it?

I say, the answers are known, for everything changes. Time is a "tool" of humankind, an "illusionary" tool therefore does not truly exist. For example, the measurement of time has meaning because many agree to it - the standard for this measurement has changed with either the perception of what the "tool" (time) was/is to represent or because another standard was wished (example to measure other types of changes).

I say, has it not been human arrogance and need that has clouded and confused the simple!? For what does it matter about "time" when the origins and "destiny" of "why" is not known, understood or accepted!?

[Tony]

Posted by Carmody (here)

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
Dear All,

Doesn't time only relate to things... that change?

Two non-things that do not change are space and consciousness.

The space in front of you, does not change, does it?
The consciousness observing that space, does not change, does it?

Just wondered,
pie'n'eal

Yes, but you are not a complete integrated consciousness in this space, are you?

Therefore ----change is your norm? However much such understandings and unfoldings complicates our 'lives', change is the only norm that brings the desire for unfolding and growth nearer to completion?

Totally correct...I still live in ignorance, but am working on it!