The sensitivity of language and people when describing race-related issues

[Seikou-Kishi]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
This isn't a strawman argument, I'm responding to your words.

I'm somewhat inclined to ask you to look beyond the words and to read his post with your heart.

[K626]

Posted by Jake (here)
Hello Rob. Allow me to give meh 2 cents. You had my attention until you started in with the 'we have to save bill' stuff. Now, I am more entertained than anything. Thanks for that. It is like watching Spaceballs, instead of Star Wars. (don't get mad, I know you have a good sense of humor) Do you really feel that you are going to save Bill??? We can all appreciate that. Bill does not need saving. Taking the high road, and not responding to a DEMAND for an apology does not mean he needs your help. At least not with that. You are quite capable of using your words in a way that will not paint such a silly picture of Bill and Avalon. So you are one of the 18? Good choice. I would have picked you too. You are awesome. This does not mean that you get special treatment. I know that you have not asked for it, but I feel you are going down that road. You are our brother and friend. And we are here to help YOU grow. This post is not meant to 'defend' Bill. He does not need anyone to defend him. (Even though he may be attacked quite often by those who say that they are a friend of his.) I am not trying to put you into that category. Announcing a Demand for an apology,,, then later saying that you have 'let it go'.. and then LATER saying that your challange stands... tsk tsk tsk. I love you like a brother, Rob. You can unfold your information and knowledge in a way that does not include such nuggetry.

I'm really losing count of the people who are in on this saving Bill lark..I lost count after the first dozen or so...

I have no intention of saving Bill and I'm pretty sure he can save himself.

K

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by K626 (here)

Posted by Jake (here)
Hello Rob. Allow me to give meh 2 cents. You had my attention until you started in with the 'we have to save bill' stuff. Now, I am more entertained than anything. Thanks for that. It is like watching Spaceballs, instead of Star Wars. (don't get mad, I know you have a good sense of humor) Do you really feel that you are going to save Bill??? We can all appreciate that. Bill does not need saving. Taking the high road, and not responding to a DEMAND for an apology does not mean he needs your help. At least not with that. You are quite capable of using your words in a way that will not paint such a silly picture of Bill and Avalon. So you are one of the 18? Good choice. I would have picked you too. You are awesome. This does not mean that you get special treatment. I know that you have not asked for it, but I feel you are going down that road. You are our brother and friend. And we are here to help YOU grow. This post is not meant to 'defend' Bill. He does not need anyone to defend him. (Even though he may be attacked quite often by those who say that they are a friend of his.) I am not trying to put you into that category. Announcing a Demand for an apology,,, then later saying that you have 'let it go'.. and then LATER saying that your challange stands... tsk tsk tsk. I love you like a brother, Rob. You can unfold your information and knowledge in a way that does not include such nuggetry.

I'm really losing count of the people who are in on this saving Bill lark..I lost count after the first dozen or so...

I have no intention of saving Bill and I'm pretty sure he can save himself.

K

I actually said we need to save ourselves and don't leave him behind, no?

[Mad Hatter]

Posted by K626 (here)

Posted by Mad Hatter (here)

Posted by K626 (here)
I've seriously evaluted downward the survival abilities of people (especially some in this thread).

Peace and Love

K

Do you perceive that as

1) Having been handed the hymn sheet they are actually unable to sing...
2) Having been handed the hymn sheet they are unable to sing in tune...
3) Having been handed the hymn sheet they can't read it...
4) Having been handed the hymn sheet they are unable to determine what it is...
5) or as is probably my case they are not even in the same room to recieve the hymn sheet...
6) None of the above....

Yeah probs 4 and 5.

cheers
K

Thus we arrive at the lowest common denominator yet again.... education

cheers

Mad Hatter wanders of looking for his school bag and someone to draw him a map

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
I have my own goals in what I am doing, I am sticking to that.

Can I ask you to please state or restate your goals. (I'm hoping you'll recognize that you may need to filter out or strip away secondary or tertiary goals, to focus on something as enormous as disclosure of impending cataclysm and preparedness for it.)

At the same time, please recognize too that different souls are going to deal with this in different ways - some will look for physical safety, and others have made the decision to go a metaphysical route (Purple Lama echoes it; Inelia resonates it, for example.)

Dennis

[777]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)

Posted by K626 (here)

Posted by Jake (here)
Hello Rob. Allow me to give meh 2 cents. You had my attention until you started in with the 'we have to save bill' stuff. Now, I am more entertained than anything. Thanks for that. It is like watching Spaceballs, instead of Star Wars. (don't get mad, I know you have a good sense of humor) Do you really feel that you are going to save Bill??? We can all appreciate that. Bill does not need saving. Taking the high road, and not responding to a DEMAND for an apology does not mean he needs your help. At least not with that. You are quite capable of using your words in a way that will not paint such a silly picture of Bill and Avalon. So you are one of the 18? Good choice. I would have picked you too. You are awesome. This does not mean that you get special treatment. I know that you have not asked for it, but I feel you are going down that road. You are our brother and friend. And we are here to help YOU grow. This post is not meant to 'defend' Bill. He does not need anyone to defend him. (Even though he may be attacked quite often by those who say that they are a friend of his.) I am not trying to put you into that category. Announcing a Demand for an apology,,, then later saying that you have 'let it go'.. and then LATER saying that your challange stands... tsk tsk tsk. I love you like a brother, Rob. You can unfold your information and knowledge in a way that does not include such nuggetry.

I'm really losing count of the people who are in on this saving Bill lark..I lost count after the first dozen or so...

I have no intention of saving Bill and I'm pretty sure he can save himself.

K

I actually said we need to save ourselves and don't leave him behind, no?

In what way is Bill being left behind? Or to rephrase that, in what way is Bill behaving in such a manner so as to excuse himself from coming with?

[PurpleLama]

*hands Rob a beer*

it's too early in the day for it where I live, but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do

[K626]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)

Posted by K626 (here)

Posted by Jake (here)
Hello Rob. Allow me to give meh 2 cents. You had my attention until you started in with the 'we have to save bill' stuff. Now, I am more entertained than anything. Thanks for that. It is like watching Spaceballs, instead of Star Wars. (don't get mad, I know you have a good sense of humor) Do you really feel that you are going to save Bill??? We can all appreciate that. Bill does not need saving. Taking the high road, and not responding to a DEMAND for an apology does not mean he needs your help. At least not with that. You are quite capable of using your words in a way that will not paint such a silly picture of Bill and Avalon. So you are one of the 18? Good choice. I would have picked you too. You are awesome. This does not mean that you get special treatment. I know that you have not asked for it, but I feel you are going down that road. You are our brother and friend. And we are here to help YOU grow. This post is not meant to 'defend' Bill. He does not need anyone to defend him. (Even though he may be attacked quite often by those who say that they are a friend of his.) I am not trying to put you into that category. Announcing a Demand for an apology,,, then later saying that you have 'let it go'.. and then LATER saying that your challange stands... tsk tsk tsk. I love you like a brother, Rob. You can unfold your information and knowledge in a way that does not include such nuggetry.

I'm really losing count of the people who are in on this saving Bill lark..I lost count after the first dozen or so...

I have no intention of saving Bill and I'm pretty sure he can save himself.

K

I actually said we need to save ourselves and don't leave him behind, no?

There is a distinct danger the 'hatted one' might be ahead of us Sidney. Have you considered that?!

Lighten up a bit.

K

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
I have my own goals in what I am doing, I am sticking to that.

Can I ask you to please state or restate your goals. (I'm hoping you'll recognize that you may need to filter out or strip away secondary or tertiary goals, to focus on something as enormous as disclosure of impending cataclysm and preparedness for it.)

At the same time, please recognize too that different souls are going to deal with this in different ways - some will look for physical safety, and others have made the decision to go a metaphysical route (Purple Lama echoes it; Inelia resonates it, for example.)

Dennis

I have already explained it in the past few pages, so I decline your offer, thanks.
And yes, the different souls will deal differently, that is part of the beauty of our existence.

Posted by 777 (here)
In what way is Bill being left behind? Or to rephrase that, in what way is Bill behaving in such a manner so as to excuse himself from coming with?

Please go back over my recent posts, I have already posted exactly what I think.

Posted by K626 (here)

There is a distinct danger the 'hatted one' might be ahead of us Sidney. Have you considered that?!

Lighten up a bit.

K

It is possible.
It is also possible that I know stuff you do not, no?
And maybe I can't say because of confidences and such.

[Calz]

Posted by PurpleLama (here)
*hands Rob a beer*

it's too early in the day for it where I live, but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do

Don't think a beer is gonna do it this time ... 9eagle9 alert ... avalon requests an all nighter at your margarita lounge


Just got back from the store with a serious stash of popcorn.

Turn off the cell phones folks ... the main feature is ready to commence

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
I have my own goals in what I am doing, I am sticking to that.

Can I ask you to please state or restate your goals. (I'm hoping you'll recognize that you may need to filter out or strip away secondary or tertiary goals, to focus on something as enormous as disclosure of impending cataclysm and preparedness for it.)

...

Dennis

I have already explained it in the past few pages, so I decline your offer, thanks.

Honestly, Rob, I've read every word. I can't find it. Please restate it. Once again, I'm trying to give you a brief introduction and hand you the microphone. I'm trying to help you.

Dennis

[Lord Sidious]

Just so that you know who and what you are dealing with, go here.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/indefatigable

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)

Honestly, Rob, I've read every word. I can't find it. Please restate it. Once again, I'm trying to give you a brief introduction and hand you the microphone. I'm trying to help you.

Dennis

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post216156
There ya go.

[Dorok]

Despite what seems to be the overwhelming sense of confusion, this could very well be the most important active thread on this forum.

Keep it up, everyone!!

[Jake]

Rob, If there is a genuine concern for Bills well being. Why have you made it a public spectacle? Sounds like a private matter to me. But thanks for clarifying.
You DID say that "we need to save ourselves, and not leave Bill behind." But followed that with an announcement that a group of people contacted you and put you up to it.
Creates confusion. just a heads up. Jake.

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Jake (here)
Rob, If there is a genuine concern for Bills well being. Why have you made it a public spectacle? Sounds like a private matter to me. But thanks for clarifying.
You DID say that "we need to save ourselves, and not leave Bill behind." But followed that with an announcement that a group of people contacted you and put you up to it.
Creates confusion. just a heads up. Jake.

Because in public, we can all help.
No one put me up to this, they spoke to me to tell me I was right about what I was saying.

[PurpleLama]

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)

Posted by PurpleLama (here)
*hands Rob a beer*

it's too early in the day for it where I live, but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do

Don't think a beer is gonna do it this time ... 9eagle9 alert ... avalon requests an all nighter at your margarita lounge


Just got back from the store with a serious stash of popcorn.

Turn off the cell phones folks ... the main feature is ready to commence

in light of my reference to synchronicity, you and 9eagle9 are the only two people I have "friended" here on Avalon

in current american slang "this is how I roll"

EDIT

with the notable exception of "playdoh", as this person is my friend in real life, we are a secret society that's so secret that we barely even know about it ourselves!

the discordian in me hopes that everyone thinks I'm joking, because I'm not

[Carmody]

The more paranoid view is that this may fracture the forum again. As in, right now... it is building. Again.

Apparently, that is one idea of the external aims of some groups. (groups that are principally outside the forum membership)

Now, Sid, what is this thing you are doing here?

Following the finger in curiosity can be just as much of a source of a break up of the forum as anything else. If not more so. basically it was the root cause in the last one, just 2 or so months back.

So again, Sid, what are you all about here?

The reality of these situations goes from the mundane right into la-la land for even the most 'complete understandings' that may exist in the regular membership of this forum.

Thus when we follow the finger and move toward some aspect of that edge of understanding..where the line blurs (necessarily so). We encounter serious problems for any grouping attempt..problems that tends to tip the bus off the road and dump the people about like injured rabbits, wandering around a crash site....bewildered..and they wander of in different directions. With far smaller grouping than they had when they were on the bus together. This is Psychology 101 classes. This is essentially what happened to the forum those 2 months back.

The group doing the following WILL fracture according to their deepest lines of demarcation as laid out by their core belief and understandings of reality. Their logic will skip to it's limit and their emotions will be doing the driving in the face of complex known-unknowns. They will fracture from being a prior group to being individuals with the face of their unconscious unknowns, unrealized conditions of their basis of life.. these core points of individuality which are the true driver of their personal edifice.

This is ALWAYS the result.

See it happen in miniature, right here, in page 2-3 of this thread.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...at-humans-have

This is why Charles, and others, and I (I'm paraphrasing others into it, my position is the stated condition) basically peed ourselves laughing and very much crying at the same time due to the size and scope of the dilemma.

This is the why of my more than once linking of the scene in The Life of Brian. "Follow the gourd! No! follow the shoe".

Even Monty python gets it. It is too bad that more people don't.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=sffSw-et9UM

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Carmody (here)
The more paranoid view is that this may fracture the forum again. As in, right now... it is building. Again.

Apparently, that is one idea of the external aims of some groups. (groups that are principally outside the forum membership)

Now, Sid, what is this thing you are doing here?

Following the finger in curiosity can be just as much of a source of a break up of the forum as anything else. If not more so. basically it was the root cause in the last one, just 2 or so months back.

So again, Sid, what are you all about here?

So you have to cast aspersions on my character by linking me and shadowy groups?
Thanks.

[Calz]

Posted by PurpleLama (here)

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)

Posted by PurpleLama (here)
*hands Rob a beer*

it's too early in the day for it where I live, but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do

Don't think a beer is gonna do it this time ... 9eagle9 alert ... avalon requests an all nighter at your margarita lounge


Just got back from the store with a serious stash of popcorn.

Turn off the cell phones folks ... the main feature is ready to commence

in light of my reference to synchronicity, you and 9eagle9 are the only two people I have "friended" here on Avalon

in current american slang "this is how I roll"

Don't make me cry ...

It would seem we made a wise choice in recognizing the value of your friendship.

[Carmody]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)

Posted by Carmody (here)
The more paranoid view is that this may fracture the forum again. As in, right now... it is building. Again.

Apparently, that is one idea of the external aims of some groups. (groups that are principally outside the forum membership)

Now, Sid, what is this thing you are doing here?

Following the finger in curiosity can be just as much of a source of a break up of the forum as anything else. If not more so. basically it was the root cause in the last one, just 2 or so months back.

So again, Sid, what are you all about here?

So you have to cast aspersions on my character by linking me and shadowy groups?
Thanks.

I have expanded my post.

It is a question and it is real. there is no evading it. It is part and parcel of being a human and dealing with ramifications of unfolding realities and unfolding questions. I'm not emotional about it, to any large degree. I'm stating what others are surely thinking.

A wise man considers all avenues. Otherwise his ass is going to be in a sling when he least expects it.

People ask me what I think of charles. I made a post on the other forum which has likely been misconstrued, due to what I wrote and how it was written.


The reality is that I still have no definite or defining opinion on Charles as I never received anything that this particular being (I, me) understands as irrefutable.

Due to that, I never ventured forward to be involved with him in any direct or incidental way.