The sensitivity of language and people when describing race-related issues

[edina]

Lord Sidoius, I offer my hand in help as best as I know how.

I have come to similar understandings as you, without the benefit of anyone telling me anything about anyone.

I can see the misunderstandings that abound around Bill, that seems to come from a difficulty on his part to accept that he may have made mistakes and to apologise for them.

I see this from his own writings, in this Bill has born witness with himself.

And I can appreciate the desire for Bill to be included in the coming disclosure process, but as I said in one of my earliest posts, when I was talking about the "33". I've learned a long time ago, the hard way, that it is difficult to work with someone who has no desire to work with you.

I believe allowing ourselves to completely accept Bill, as he is, may be one of the ways forward here. Although, I do agree, if he could become open and examine his heart, and become okay with his humanity, it would undoubtedly smooth the way.

He does carry the weight of his personal power...

As for the 3 forums working together, for the good of all life. There is in my mind a real necessity for this. I would like to help in anyway I can.

And, I agree with Dennis, this will eventually become viral. However, I feel we need to work some kinks out, these forums working in unique and yet, cooperative creational ways will strengthen what eventually becomes viral.

Again, I want people to know, I derive at my personal opinions here, souly by what I see and read in the public arena. Except for a few personal experiences that Life has sent my way to help me learn what is most gracious for me to know next...

I suspect that I am a bit of an odd duck, in that I have chosen to prepare both physically, and metaphysically, PEMS, physical, emotional, mental, and spiritual. I still think way to many people try to force either/or decisions when in reality there is plenty of room for and/and.

Count me in , LS, because I love the child!!!!

[ceetee9]

I wasn’t going to jump into the fray on this one, but it occurred to me that the high level of emotions/passions and hard stances that these types of misunderstandings so often generate is likely how we have come to co-create this insane world in which we now live and why it is equally likely that we will not come together in peace and harmony as a species.

With all of the alleged negative things that are facing humanity and the planet, I find it disconcerting, at the least, that something as seemingly inconsequential (in the grand scheme of things) as this thread could generate over 9300 views in a little over 24 hours while things that could, if true, result in the enslavement or death of millions of people would be hard-pressed to generate that much interest and activity in months.

Let’s not throw the baby out with the bath water.

[edina]

Posted by Jake (here)
I just wanted to say that I love you all. I mean it. I can't say it with more conviction. I love Avalon. I love our little family here. I have nothing but respect for all of you.

Jake, I am moved to tears by your words here, and can say I share the same heart with you, I love you all, I love the many people I know in the few forums I join, and I love the whole of humanity,

I hope I have treated everyone here with the respect and appreciation I feel you deserve, please let me know, any one of you, if I have not, and I will apologise forthright,..

We are all wonderful people!!!!!

Thank you Jake, so much for this

[Carmody]

we're in a quarter moon phase where our emotions can run perpendicular or square to our desire for meaning and emotional connection.

This is normal. happens twice a month.

Astrology good. Ignorance bad.

[9eagle9]

Okay Lord Sid this is for you. I want to create a template with you to bring this three ring circus back into focus. I will be reframing some of the material you have covered so no shock surprises or startling ambush questions. These are questions you've already answered and things you have expressed, we are going to work together to put them in a precision place.

For everyone else.(and this means YOU, no exclusions or thinking this applies to everyone else but them.... ) In order to RESOLVE this we need an agreement to not interrupt the process of the template formation. If you choose to interrupt before the template is complete the template will be moved so that you can't view its formation. This is your choice. When the template is complete then it is my job to direct the questioning of the template. If you give me the agreement to direct this you are giving me the authority to mediate this event and will impose that authority for those who find that their opinion is more important than resolution. Clear?

You have a choice, choose wisely and think about what you really want to see emerge from this process.

For those who are distraught or distressed or angry but what is occurring here I want you to step back and ask yourself why you are so vested in this matter?

The basic premise is that everyone wants to help but you basically blurring the situation to the point that what requires assistance becomes lost. This process clears out the clutter so you have the tools to make a resolution. WE are moving this from the emotional, personal place to a concept place that can be viewed objectively. And to develop some trust.

Without this agreement ...well ...the choice is yours.

[Jendayi]

Posted by ceetee9 (here)
I wasn’t going to jump into the fray on this one, but it occurred to me that the high level of emotions/passions and hard stances that these types of misunderstandings so often generate is likely how we have come to co-create this insane world in which we now live and why it is equally likely that we will not come together in peace and harmony as a species.

With all of the alleged negative things that are facing humanity and the planet, I find it disconcerting, at the least, that something as seemingly inconsequential (in the grand scheme of things) as this thread could generate over 9300 views in a little over 24 hours while things that could, if true, result in the enslavement or death of millions of people would be hard-pressed to generate that much interest and activity in months.

Let’s not throw the baby out with the bath water.

my heart literally skipped a beat when i read that... i humbly ask forgiveness for all i may have neglected.... (in general, nothing to do with this thread itself)
thank you for those powerful words CT9!
i could really use a group hug right now...
love, jendayi

[Normalguy31]

Posted by Carmody (here)
we're in a quarter moon phase where our emotions can run perpendicular or square to our desire for meaning and emotional connection.

This is normal. happens twice a month.

Astrology good. Ignorance bad.

hahaha nicely put, you just made my day. Thanks lol.

[777]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)

Is there anyone in this forum who has the ability to calm tensions and mediate these sorts of things? Because left on your own are just trainwrecking here.

Which is rather why our Lord here posted a link to indefatigable. He is currently a brick wall that people are throwing themselves against but understand he's not throwing you there....YOU are.

And if it is determined that there is a person in this forum that can mentor this sort of thing would you be willing to participate in that sort of thing IF you knew that it would help to abate this entirely out of control situation?

More than willing. I've mediated every day of my life between the seemingly polar opposite points of view, since they are polar yet not opposite and never incapable of being reconciled. I'm not self-appointing, since I aim to fulfil this criteria in every post I make, it's what drives me and thus, shall be mediating anyway regardless. Disagreements are welcomed. My limited 32 years have empowered me to remember sufficient to honour division and its' inevitable re-unity as an integral part of growth.

I, for one, am pleased to see the previously stalled dialogue (that has caused separation) reconciled back into a furthered ball game. The mediation of that sequential process is something we all personally do when we discern and communicate. That is to be encouraged.

[TWINCANS]

"...I, for one, am pleased to see the previously stalled dialogue (that has caused separation) reconciled back into a furthered ball game..."


Gotta wonder how long it would have taken if LS hadn't said he's one of the 18, with the instant increase in perceived status turning impatience into all-ears?

[777]

Posted by TWINCANS (here)
"...I, for one, am pleased to see the previously stalled dialogue (that has caused separation) reconciled back into a furthered ball game..."


Gotta wonder how long it would have taken if LS hadn't said he's one of the 18, with the instant increase in perceived status turning impatience into all-ears?

Perceived status could be argued insignificant since we don't have to wonder how long it would have taken, it's happened.

Posted by 777 (here)
The mediation of that sequential process is something we all personally do when we discern and communicate. That is to be encouraged.

Sequential cause and effect rather than circular non action. Which is preferable.......and indeed, in these times.......are either? Let's bash this out is my generic point. I'll mediate with (and through) contribution, not for the role. I hope we all can........

[Jendayi]

to everyone reading this and who is having difficulty with Lord Sidious' choices of communicating his intentions...
please take a step back and read between the lines.. an observant reader will learn that our friend sidious is actually a very loving and caring being who is really trying his best to remain consistent in a world where he is pulled back, forth and sideways while jumping through rings of fire and standing on one leg, juggling his own (no doubt unique) perspective with the perspectives of all those around him.. both on and offline... if you would take the time to read many of his posts you would know he has an enormous heart and really cares for the rest of us..
don't let his avatar and name fool you... (and be honest with yourself, are sid's nicknam & avatar affecting you on a sub conscious level? could be...)
try watching the first 3 Hellraiser movies on mushrooms, after that, lord sidious looks like a cute little bunny.. he is a really cuddly guy on the inside...
he has proven to be a valuable contributor on this forum and imho, has built up some credit.. so let's give him some... some things take time.. specially when so many factors and opinions are to be considered...

this is for you sid: (and for anyone who feels they aren't getting through to people)
Please cut the rest of us some slack. i speak from experience here brother.. many of us are much more aware of certain things than others, many of us are quite "out there" regarding our thoughts and modes of expression.. we communicate in a different language.. don't beat yourself or others up about it.. it's all nothing more than misunderstandings. good intentions lost in bad translations.. the Brick wall that was previously mentioned also has some bricks of yours in there... it's the same with your destroyed "Death Star", you can complain all you want about the rebels destroying your precious "Death Star" and that the insurance company is refusing to give you a decent credit.. but let's be fair here... who the hell builds such a magnificent weapon with a tunnel to it's core, no doors, no force field.. just a giant hole in your giant ball shaped death ray... it could fit the "Millennium falcon" easily, for Pete's sake... Sid, what were you smoking when you gave the ok for those building plans...?
i see you have forgiven Bill.. excellent, that's a good start! who knows, one day you might even forgive those blasted Rebels for taking advantage of your one weak spot!
before anyone feels the need to keep badgering or say something nasty on or about this thread.. PLEASE... stop taking yourselves so sidiously... seriously...

i feel the need for a group hug... again..
i hope i have been able to mediate a bit..
love and warmth..

[777]

Posted by Jendayi (here)
to everyone reading this and who is having difficulty with Lord Sidious' choices of communicating his intentions...
please take a step back and read between the lines.. an observant reader will learn that our friend sidious is actually a very loving and caring being who is really trying his best to remain consistent in a world where he is pulled back, forth and sideways while jumping through rings of fire and standing on one leg, juggling his own (no doubt unique) perspective with the perspectives of all those around him.. both on and offline... if you would take the time to read many of his posts you would know he has an enormous heart and really cares for the rest of us..
don't let his avatar and name fool you... (and be honest with yourself, are sid's nicknam & avatar affecting you on a sub conscious level? could be...)
try watching the first 3 Hellraiser movies on mushrooms, after that, lord sidious looks like a cute little bunny.. he is a really cuddly guy on the inside...
he has proven to be a valuable contributor on this forum and imho, has built up some credit.. so let's give him some... some things take time.. specially when so many factors and opinions are to be considered...

this is for you sid: (and for anyone who feels they aren't getting through to people)
Please cut the rest of us some slack. i speak from experience here brother.. many of us are much more aware of certain things than others, many of us are quite "out there" regarding our thoughts and modes of expression.. we communicate in a different language.. don't beat yourself or others up about it.. it's all nothing more than misunderstandings. good intentions lost in bad translations.. the Brick wall that was previously mentioned also has some bricks of yours in there... it's the same with your destroyed "Death Star", you can complain all you want about the rebels destroying your precious "Death Star" and that the insurance company is refusing to give you a decent credit.. but let's be fair here... who the hell builds such a magnificent weapon with a tunnel to it's core, no doors, no force field.. just a giant hole in your giant ball shaped death ray... it could fit the "Millennium falcon" easily, for Pete's sake... Sid, what were you smoking when you gave the ok for those building plans...?
i see you have forgiven Bill.. excellent, that's a good start! who knows, one day you might even forgive those blasted Rebels for taking advantage of your one weak spot!
before anyone feels the need to keep badgering or say something nasty on or about this thread.. PLEASE... stop taking yourselves so sidiously... seriously...

i feel the need for a group hug... again..
i hope i have been able to mediate a bit..
love and warmth..

Effortless mediation. I stand in awe and gratitude.

[PurpleLama]

Posted by Normalguy31 (here)

Posted by Carmody (here)
we're in a quarter moon phase where our emotions can run perpendicular or square to our desire for meaning and emotional connection.

This is normal. happens twice a month.

Astrology good. Ignorance bad.

hahaha nicely put, you just made my day. Thanks lol.

It made mine too. Thanks, Carmody.

[TWINCANS]

Posted by TWINCANS (here)
"...I, for one, am pleased to see the previously stalled dialogue (that has caused separation) reconciled back into a furthered ball game..."


Gotta wonder how long it would have taken if LS hadn't said he's one of the 18, with the instant increase in perceived status turning impatience into all-ears?

Perceived status could be argued insignificant since we don't have to wonder how long it would have taken, it's happened.

The wisdom of the request for an apology, given that a racial insult was indeed made, was always apparent. The ability to hear the wisdom took LS's announcement and subsequent raise in status. I guess the issue behind that imbalance will be 'showing soon at a thread near you'. (meaning all of us)

[777]

Posted by TWINCANS (here)

Posted by TWINCANS (here)
"...I, for one, am pleased to see the previously stalled dialogue (that has caused separation) reconciled back into a furthered ball game..."


Gotta wonder how long it would have taken if LS hadn't said he's one of the 18, with the instant increase in perceived status turning impatience into all-ears?

Perceived status could be argued insignificant since we don't have to wonder how long it would have taken, it's happened.

The wisdom of the request for an apology, given that a racial insult was indeed made, was always apparent. The ability to hear the wisdom took LS's announcement and subsequent raise in status. I guess the issue behind that imbalance will be 'showing soon at a thread near you'. (meaning all of us)

Please don't take this as a pedantic response as text might betray me here as being thus (like it aptly did in the initial birth of this thread, which stemmed from another). Was our ability to hear the wisdom honestly attained from LS's announcement or the inactivity (for right or wrong) of Bill in his response? I can only fathom that it was caused by the residual effect of both combined and the hidden motives of both therein. Who knows either party's honest reason? Should we use either party to apportion blame (not suggesting you are at all), or celebrate the organic nature of the converse we can now have as a result? I'm open to either.

[9eagle9]

Actually Jendayi I have to disagree with you. We aren't mediating that LS is a caring loving person or convincing ourselves of his loving humanity . Or that his horrible evil. Or that Bill is right and LS is wrong or vice versa.

We aren't mediating him at all we are going to (I hope) mediate a concept.

Not to say that you are right or wrong, but it is still an opionion. Not a formalized or focus concept

And not everyone agrees with you.

So that is what is going to be mediated an agreement not an opinion.

I know you mean well but right now there's too many opinions and not enough focus. LS is attempting to hold focus and he can't because there's so many opinions blurring the issue.

Posted by Jendayi (here)
to everyone reading this and who is having difficulty with Lord Sidious' choices of communicating his intentions...
please take a step back and read between the lines.. an observant reader will learn that our friend sidious is actually a very loving and caring being who is really trying his best to remain consistent in a world where he is pulled back, forth and sideways while jumping through rings of fire and standing on one leg, juggling his own (no doubt unique) perspective with the perspectives of all those around him.. both on and offline... if you would take the time to read many of his posts you would know he has an enormous heart and really cares for the rest of us..
don't let his avatar and name fool you... (and be honest with yourself, are sid's nicknam & avatar affecting you on a sub conscious level? could be...)
try watching the first 3 Hellraiser movies on mushrooms, after that, lord sidious looks like a cute little bunny.. he is a really cuddly guy on the inside...
he has proven to be a valuable contributor on this forum and imho, has built up some credit.. so let's give him some... some things take time.. specially when so many factors and opinions are to be considered...

this is for you sid: (and for anyone who feels they aren't getting through to people)
Please cut the rest of us some slack. i speak from experience here brother.. many of us are much more aware of certain things than others, many of us are quite "out there" regarding our thoughts and modes of expression.. we communicate in a different language.. don't beat yourself or others up about it.. it's all nothing more than misunderstandings. good intentions lost in bad translations.. the Brick wall that was previously mentioned also has some bricks of yours in there... it's the same with your destroyed "Death Star", you can complain all you want about the rebels destroying your precious "Death Star" and that the insurance company is refusing to give you a decent credit.. but let's be fair here... who the hell builds such a magnificent weapon with a tunnel to it's core, no doors, no force field.. just a giant hole in your giant ball shaped death ray... it could fit the "Millennium falcon" easily, for Pete's sake... Sid, what were you smoking when you gave the ok for those building plans...?
i see you have forgiven Bill.. excellent, that's a good start! who knows, one day you might even forgive those blasted Rebels for taking advantage of your one weak spot!
before anyone feels the need to keep badgering or say something nasty on or about this thread.. PLEASE... stop taking yourselves so sidiously... seriously...

i feel the need for a group hug... again..
i hope i have been able to mediate a bit..
love and warmth..

[TWINCANS]

Definitely, let's "celebrate the organic nature of the converse we can now have as a result."

My comments came from reading this thread all in a row and being struck by the sudden change. When did the participants shift? After an announcement. Is that blame or assessment?

[Jendayi]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Actually Jendayi I have to disagree with you. We aren't mediating that LS is a caring loving person or convincing ourselves of his loving humanity . Or that his horrible evil. Or that Bill is right and LS is wrong or vice versa.

We aren't mediating him at all we are going to (I hope) mediate a concept.

Not to say that you are right or wrong, but it is still an opionion. Not a formalized or focus concept

And not everyone agrees with you.
So that is what is going to be mediated an agreement not an opinion.

I know you mean well but right now there's too many opinions and not enough focus. LS is attempting to hold focus and he can't because there's so many opinions blurring the issue.

i believe that was the point i was trying to get across ... maybe i should have tried a more rational approach..
before a concept is established, it helps to understand a bit more about the ones building said concept... and since humans are generally ruled by preconceptions i felt it was necessary to share what i did.. a preconceived notion about an individual can affect a project this individual is involved in in unforeseen and negative ways.. before we move on the air needed to be cleared..
like i said, stop taking it all so seriously... that goes for my post as well.. and i am not being frivolous here, i realize the concept is serious and needs to be established..
they air was just getting too thick for my taste...
just opening a window.. nothing else.. we all have our roles to play..
thank you for providing the setting for my post..
Namaste
p.s. did you expect this to be my answer?
p.p.s. i would not dare mediate Lord Sidious.. between him and others? yes..
i understand him more than most of you and sid himself might realize.. we walk a very similar path.. mine is just not that visible as his is on this forum..

[blake]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
So that is what is going to be mediated an agreement not an opinion.

I know you mean well but right now there's too many opinions and not enough focus. LS is attempting to hold focus and he can't because there's so many opinions blurring the issue.

Hello 9Eagale9,

Could you clarify exactly what the issue is that is being blurred?

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis

[777]

Posted by TWINCANS (here)
Definitely, let's "celebrate the organic nature of the converse we can now have as a result."

My comments came from reading this thread all in a row and being struck by the sudden change. When did the participants shift? After an announcement. Is that blame or assessment?

If we can forget the people involved for a second and assess purely the motives then I see no need for blame on either part, only gratitude for the interaction at all. Hitherto, this was stalled. The announcement may appear the catalyst, but non-involvement (on Bill's part) was the slow burner catalyst too.......otherwise the equal and opposite reaction would have not occurred.

What a tangled web we weave, but at least we're weaving it again. The concept of 9eagle9's last post is highly desirable in this respect. Change and growth are always catalysed by reaction in my (oh so ever-ready to be changed/developed) opinion.