Apollo 11

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Solid reasoning? Lol

You offer no proof...

just a sense of... "ya gotta believe"

This stuff wont fly at PA.

Oh and Einstein... backed his stuff up with published work.

Until you offer something more concrete then " if you want to belive" (uncle walt started that didnt he?), i find nothing of value in your thread.

[Philbert]

Posted by céline (here)
Solid reasoning? Lol

You offer no proof...

just a sense of... "ya gotta believe"

This stuff wont fly at PA.

Oh and Einstein... backed his stuff up with published work.

Until you offer something more concrete then " if you want to belive" (uncle walt started that didnt he?), i find nothing of value in your thread.

Great you are entitled to your own opinion and beliefs, oh I have published work also but many will find a way to excuse it also. You contradict your self when you say I just give a sense of "ya gotta believe" and then you go on to write "Until you offer something more concrete then if you want to believe".
People are entitled to their opinions and that does fly most anywhere. I never said "you have to believe" If you got the sense that I was intending you must believe, it is an assumption on your own senses. For just in my last post I stated that you can believe or not it is up to the individual to believe it or not based on their individual thought and projections of their individual understanding and knowledge. Of course not everyone is going to believe, and that is ok.


We should be careful what we laugh at as we may be laughing at ourselves only.

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You are NOT offering opinion..

You are offering FACT

i am asking you to prove it..

You can not..

Case closed.

You will find most avalonians feel the same way i do..

Just most dont type/talk for nothing..they have an easier time ignoring this kind of fluff.

Now if you have some published work..i will love to read it. if it relates to this thread

[Philbert]

Posted by céline (here)
You are NOT offering opinion..

You are offering FACT

i am asking you to prove it..

You can not..

Case closed.

You will find most avalonians feel the same way i do..

Just most dont type/talk for nothing..they have an easier time ignoring this kind of fluff.

Now if you have some published work..i will love to read it. if it relates to this thread

Oh and you would like me to believe you about your claim that "You will find most avalonians feel the same way i do" and then you go on to claim "Just most dont type/talk for nothing. they have an easier time ignoring this kind of fluff." where is your proof that most feel the same as you do but just don't type or talk and would rather ignore this kind of stuff. You have no proof of your claim so I guess we are both in the same boat. We have claims but nothing to back up the words that come out of our mouths.

Why would you believe anything I have written when you refuse to even entertain anything that is visual?
I will not get into a fighting match with you over this, the published work I have that is greater than any story I could tell you is here for the individual to evaluate and investigate. How would writings be of any suitable evidence when someone refuses to look into the visual.
Just not making any sense to me, It may to you because that is what you need.

I could present to you and everyone else here 100 pages of research and it would not be as good as the real McCoy.
Again who would most people believe in someone with actual footage of a tornado or someone who wrote and investigation of an alleged tornado. If you where told a story about a bowel of pudding that grew leggs and walked off. Would you believe the story? Or would a video of the actual even convince you to look into it? The proof is always in the pudding. You do the math.

I am sorry if my research and published work is not good enough for you to spark your interest in doing your own investigation into my findings whether they are false or true, people still owe it to themselves to investigate.

It is ok that you disagree based on what you feel is not enough proof. Others will not feel the same and they will go off and do their own research still. Many will feel as you do and feel they have nothing further to investigate.

That is ok with me. I still stand behind my work and research.
End of debate.

[thedot]

Posted by céline (here)
You are NOT offering opinion..

You are offering FACT

i am asking you to prove it..

You can not..

Case closed.

You will find most avalonians feel the same way i do..

Just most dont type/talk for nothing..they have an easier time ignoring this kind of fluff.

Now if you have some published work..i will love to read it. if it relates to this thread

Céline,

The tone of your comments is shocking (if not worse).

Do you love your mother?

"I am asking you to prove it.

You can not.

Case closed."

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Posted by Philbert (here)
Oh and you would like me to believe you about your claim that "You will find most avalonians feel the same way i do"


If you notice, the sentence started with "you will find"...that is in no way a claim that you should belive me, it speaks of experience with presenting information, on this forum.

and then you go on to claim "Just most dont type/talk for nothing. they have an easier time ignoring this kind of fluff." where is your proof


Many good people here at PA...how many out of the hundreds of members have comented on your thread? less then a dozen.

We have claims but nothing to back up the words that come out of our mouths.

The burden of proof does not lay on me. You are the one offerring "evidence"

Why would you believe anything I have written when you refuse to even entertain anything that is visual?

That is your reasoning for not sharring your expert research?

I will not get into a fighting match with you over this, the published work I have that is greater than any story I could tell you is here for the individual to evaluate and investigate.

Link please?





Again who would most people believe in someone with actual footage of a tornado or someone who wrote and investigation of an alleged tornado.

When i see a picture of a tornado, i know its a tornado. You are not presenting anything new. We have seen this all before.



I am sorry if my research and published work is not good enough for you to spark your interest

Where is your research?

It is ok that you disagree based on what you feel is not enough proof. Others will not feel the same and they will go off and do their own research still. Many will feel as you do and feel they have nothing further to investigate.

You are not the first to bring this to the perverbial table... Do not assume we have not done our own research.

That is ok with me. I still stand behind my work and research.

Link please

End of debate.

Welcome to Project Avalon

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Posted by thedot (here)
Céline,

The tone of your comments is shocking (if not worse).

Do you love your mother?

"I am asking you to prove it.

You can not.

Case closed."

I understand your point of view...and i am sorry if my tone was misunderstood..

This kind of spreading the truth...does not help the goal. IMO

But The original Poster, is making a claim of evidence.. proof... tangible..

[thedot]

Posted by céline (here)
I understand your point of view...and i am sorry if my tone was misunderstood..

This kind of spreading the truth...does not help the goal. IMO

But The original Poster, is making a claim of evidence.. proof... tangible..

You should have written "IMHO". And please stop writing "Welcome to Project Avalon". You are discrediting it.

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Posted by thedot (here)
You should have written "IMHO". And please stop writing "Welcome to Project Avalon". You are discrediting it.

Yes..i usualy use the IMHO acronym... forgive my for omiting it this time.


Discrediting it? I meant nothing of the sort.. i meant..that when you present information as fact, without backing it up..at PA you will get this kind of reaction... and i only wrote it once...gues sit touched a cord with you..forgive me please.

We are all subject to that here.

[thedot]

Posted by céline (here)
Yes..i usualy use the IMHO acronym... forgive my for omiting it this time.


Discrediting it? I meant nothing of the sort.. i meant..that when you present information as fact, without backing it up..at PA you will get this kind of reaction... and i only wrote it once...gues sit touched a cord with you..forgive me please.

We are all subject to that here.

Dear Céline,

There are SO many truths that cannot be proved, and there are SO many "facts" of no value! What we've all seen on the 9/11 are facts; do they have anything to do with truth??

Please don't judge

[Celine]

I agree, thedot...

Truth is a great debate topic..

But this thread was started as " concise proof"

This is a diffrent subject IMO

[thedot]

Posted by céline (here)
I agree, thedot...

Truth is a great debate topic..

But this thread was started as " concise proof"

This is a diffrent subject IMO

I'm sorry for my own "hard" tone. This forum (as any) is all and exclusively about expressing subjective opinions, not about establishing The Absolute Truth about anything. It's to EVERY ONE to decide what is true. Facts and proofs are nothing but raw materials for truth. It's only in our mind that they can become truth. If they have a chance.

[Philbert]

If you are investigating this type of work it is suggested that you may have to view the presentation several times to reveal more to your own understanding and knowledge. If this information and visual aspect of the Apollo mission is quite new to you please take the time to review the presentation over and over to get a better understanding of what may be going on in the footage.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=IK3xp2hI2OE

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=yQKRQO3CfFw

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ivFYn5JNwxw

Again it is up to the individual to thoroughly get a clear understanding of what is being presented here.
Viewing this half way or only one time will not help in determining whether if it is anything of importance to your research.

[Celine]

You are saying, if i view these videos, 5 times? 10? it will prove to me that this is footage of alien space craft?

[Fredkc]

A POX on dbl-posts, says I !!!

Fred

[Fredkc]

Ok, I've only been at this since 1973, so I may be a lil bit behind the rest of you, but...

If I had a nickel for every "positive proof" that turned out to be yet another "fuzzy dot"
I would buy Bill his own TV show, and maybe a villa in the islands, next to mine.

I have no doubt we aren't the only ones here.
If I only had the accounts of others, I would probably still come to the same conclusion, yet even what I am sure I have experienced is still subjective evidence. Even for me.

ArtyCarl;
For myself I use the 'most probably' rule.

The premise is Occam's Razor;
"All things being equal the most probably answer is usually the correct one." (He heh... I saw Contact, too, TheDot )

Now, if anyone is curious about what "level of quality" I have for consideration as evidence...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=xg2KNnIqZgQ

To get passed the "fuzzy dot" part, go to either 1:51, or 2:32 into the film.
Even this one leaves me with reservations:
1. This could well be a Military "knock-off" rather than a foreign object.
2. The idea of a hoax seems improbable here, but not impossible, IMO.

Short of ET landing at the county fair, popping the hatch, and setting up a lemonade stand...

Well, while I applaud enthusiasm, I would have to be say I'm "wanting more".

Fred

[Gita]

Posted by Fredkc (here)
Short of ET landing at the county fair, popping the hatch, and setting up a lemonade stand...

Well, while I applaud enthusiasm, I would have to be say I'm "wanting more".

Fred

You mean like this Fred! Be careful what you wish for King Pengy!

Watch from 1:23 mins.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=bnxMd5e-lM0

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gita, you may find this one funnier...in either case, thumbs up for another brave british woman standing her ground...poor ted..l

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=antKzrygQyA

[Philbert]

Posted by céline (here)
You are saying, if i view these videos, 5 times? 10? it will prove to me that this is footage of alien space craft?

Again it is up to the individual to thoroughly get a clear understanding of what is being presented here.
Viewing this half way or only one time will not help in determining whether if it is anything of importance to your research.

I never said "view these videos, 5 times? 10? it will prove that this is footage of alien space craft"
What I am saying is if the individual only glances through the footage and does not take time to do a real study of the footages then the individual person may miss something that could be relivent.

Ultimately it will be the individuals decision if the material has any value. Assumptions will cloud the individuals thoughts and understandings.

But if the individual is sincere in there study they will take the time to review the video more than one time before coming to a conclusion. Many good researchers will not even make a decision either way until they have more knowledge of other facts relevant to the case and point.

I know for myself that when looking at material such as this I do not hastily decide or make a conviction in my mind until I have thoroughly studied and cross reference with other ideas, this may take weeks or months ore years to be able to come to a clear an concise understanding of anything.

[Celine]

None of this materiel seems new...

*shrug* whatever