Chinese civilization may comes from Sumer

[Hughe]

The ancient history of Chinese is completely fabricated in modern days.
Modern China tries hard to project Chinese had dominant civilization in ancient time which is big lie.
The Han people - considered real Chinese by their language and tradition - only ruled the Chinese continent few times.

People in Asia: China, Korea, Japan - have deep tradition related to reptilians beyond the boarders. There are two types of reptilians: one is god-like beings that control the water, other one is elf-like being that has intimate relationship with people's living. The later one has a horn in fore head with human shape, can do shape shifting, displays physical manifestation like magician, etc.
The god-like reptilian usually called 'the dragon', a big snake with four legs and flying in the air, shows the power of weather manipulation: storm, rain fall, heavy wind, etc.

In early 2000s, ancient artifacts which are identical to South American ones discovered in China. There are many similar types of ancient pyramid too. The Chinese government always keep them secret, refuse to collaborate research with foreign researchers. How much do they know?

Hmm... I personally know the Chinese government - ruling elite - won't like to reveal any evidence that Chinese did not create the civilization or shakes the foundation of mainstream history.

Below is the original discoverer who actually found the artifacts location. He lives in South Korea, artifact collector. What I know he had collected the mysterious artifacts for many years visiting China hundred times.

When I found the news articles few years ago, it made me so clear that advanced civilization did exists which covers all the continents.

[Lost Soul]

Posted by Lunar (here)
Thanks all for this awesome thread. Very interesting indeed! Has anyone heard of the mummies found in Urumchi? They are apparently from Europe/Siberia and are 4,000 years old and look celtic - they are adorned in kilts and have flaxen hair and were found to have lots of fertility symbols (phallus and vulvas), which also corroborates Sitchin's work - worshipping the gift of procreation.

Also, the World Health Organisation (WHO) is an agency of the United Nations!!

I've been to the museum in Urumchi that displayed those red haired mummies. I didn't notice the clothes but was fascinated by the red hair.

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Lost Soul (here)

Posted by Lunar (here)
Thanks all for this awesome thread. Very interesting indeed! Has anyone heard of the mummies found in Urumchi? They are apparently from Europe/Siberia and are 4,000 years old and look celtic - they are adorned in kilts and have flaxen hair and were found to have lots of fertility symbols (phallus and vulvas), which also corroborates Sitchin's work - worshipping the gift of procreation.

Also, the World Health Organisation (WHO) is an agency of the United Nations!!

I've been to the museum in Urumchi that displayed those red haired mummies. I didn't notice the clothes but was fascinated by the red hair.

They are called Tocharians and they do indeed wear kilts.

[Calz]

Lord Sidious has graciously offered to share some of his wisdom if only we can do some of the research and make some progress on our own. The "prize" is worthy and one of the two "clues" is Tocharians.

I will cobble together a few posts from other threads to "wet your appetite":

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
I am going to bump a couple *very* interesting Anunnaki related posts from another thread over here.

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)

Posted by TimelessDimensions (here)
NSA is not here to stay..

They are a bunch of little kids playing in a kiddy pool, they have no idea who or what they are up against..

Even those UFO's and inter-dimensional beings are kids playing in a kiddy pool..

There is something much bigger coming to the current tyrants of mother Earth.

Watch, listen and learn.......

They are not far away now, I have the feeling their scouts are here assessing the situation already.

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)

Posted by kersley (here)
My Lord, Please spill the nuggets. Who is not far away? what is the plan?

Those who are the same as Enki.
The aryans.

Now ... let us remember to be respectful, grateful and understanding of what m'lord has already gone through the last few days in "another" thread.

We are damn lucky to have him here and it is hard to measure the patience and perseverance he has exhibited at times.

Perhaps if we offer a group hug and a few packets of heritage carrot seeds he may be willing to go a bit further down this road.



No 18 questions please (or 144 or 3.14 for that matter).

Thanks for the intent, but I am ok. Let's just treat each other that way all the time?
Now, there are articles you can find around the net you need to read.
The following terms are what you need arkaim and tocharians.

Start with that and I will see how you go.

This was a new topic to me so it seems a good place to start is here with those who have already voiced interest.

Here is 1st part of a documentary that is likely familiar to those posting on this thread ... but I am hoping to garnish interest from other Avalonians regarding this topic to help us with our "quest".

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=YC9NHqZ_Q00

Thanks for your time and I hope this arroused your curiousity as much as it did mine

[Calz]

Back on the nugget trail again (sounds like an old cowboy tune ...).

Here is an older article linking "Aryans" with "Tocharians". Lot of it is rather dry so will snip out most and leave only what is interesting regarding the linkage:


National Vanguard Magazine -- Number 117 (March-April 1997)
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Aryans: Culture Bearers to China

New Evidence Of Ancient European Migration to the Orient


by Mark Deavin

In July 1996 two students wading in the Columbia River at Kennewick, Washington, stumbled across the skeletal remains of a middle-aged European male. At first anthropologists presumed they had discovered a pioneer who had died in the late 1800's. But radiocarbon dating subsequently showed that the skeleton was a remarkable 9,300 years old. In fact, "Kennewick Man" is the latest in a series of ancient skeletal discoveries which are giving rise to the theory that some of the earliest inhabitants of North America were Europeans who migrated from the Eurasian continent via a land bridge in the Bering Sea near the end of the last Ice Age, about 12,000 years ago. Dr. Robert Bonnischen, director of the Center for the Study of the First Americans at Oregon State University, believes that "Kennewick Man" helps cast doubt on the accuracy of the term "paleo-Indian," which is usually used to describe this period of American prehistory. "Maybe some of these guys were really just paleo-American," he admits.

Of course, such facts pose a major challenge to the Politically Correct version of history, which promotes the idea that White Americans shamefully stole their country from its supposed Indian owners. Not surprisingly, therefore, attempts have been made to prevent the facts about "Kennewick Man" from being made public. Encouraged by the Clinton government, American Indians have made a claim on the skeleton using a 1990 Federal law intended to protect their grave sites. Their declared intention is to bury it immediately in a secret location and prevent further scientific examination and DNA testing. However, eight U.S. anthro pol ogists, who claim that the Indians and the Federal government fear the implications of the discovery, began a legal battle in October 1996 to prevent the secret burial from taking place.

In fact, "Kennewick Man" is an important addition to the growing body of evidence which suggests that during the period of the Upper Paleolithic, between about 10,000 and 35,000 years ago, Whites--i.e., men indistinguishable from modern Europeans--lived not only in Europe, but also in a band stretching across northern Asia to the Pacific. In Siberia and other eastern regions they were eventually displaced and absorbed by Mongoloid peoples, although isolated pockets of European genes have survived in northern Asia until this day. The mixed-raced Ainu people of Japan are an example.

(snip)


Now, according to Dr. Han Kangxin, a physical anthropologist at the Institute of Archeology in Beijing, the skeletal and mummified evidence clearly points to the fact that the earliest inhabitants of the Tarim Basin region were White people related to the Cro-Magnons of Paleolithic Europe. This theory is supported by Dr. Victor Mair, a specialist in ancient Asian languages and cultures at the University of Pennsylvania, who stimulated the major search which found the mummies. He has emerged as the main advocate of the theory that large groups of Europeans were present in the Tarim Basin long before the area's present inhabitants, suggesting that Turkic speakers did not move into the area until about the eighth century B.C. Subsequently, he believes, the newcomers displaced the Europeans, although the major ethnic group in the area today, the Uygur, includes people with unusually fair hair and complexions.

Actually, evidence of a now-extinct Indo-European people who lived in central Asia has long existed. Known as Tocharians, they are described more accurately as Arsi, which is cognate with Sanskrit arya and Old Persian ariya, meaning "Aryan": "that which is noble or worthy." Their language, which has similarities to the Celtic and Germanic branches of the Indo-European tree, is recorded in manuscripts dated between the sixth and eighth centuries A.D., and solid evidence for its existence can be found as far back as the third century.

Despite the fact that Tocharian manuscripts are found only for the later period, linguists have isolated occasional Tocharian words embedded in manuscripts written in Gandhari Prakrit, a northwest Indian vernacular that served as the administrative language for large parts of the Tarim Basin during the third through the fifth centuries. Also, the Tocharians were earlier known as the Yuezhi (or Ruzhi), to whom references occur in Chinese texts as early as the fifth century B.C., within the time frame of the Tarim Basin mummies.

The Tocharians are vividly displayed in ancient wall paintings at Kizil and Kumtura (near the modern Chinese city K'u-ch'e, in the Tien Shan Mountains north of the Tarim Basin) as aristocratic Europeans, with red or blond hair parted neatly in the middle, long noses, blue or green eyes set in narrow faces, and tall bodies. The Yuezhi from the first century B.C. also are depicted in striking painted statues at Khalchayan (west of the Surkhan River in ancient Bactria). They too are shown to be Europeans with long noses, thin faces, blond hair, pink skin, and bright blue eyes. It is known from historical sources that during the second century B.C. the Greater Yuezhi moved from northwest China to Ferghana and Bactria, which lie on the far side of the Pamirs. From there they moved south across the Hindu Kush into Afghanistan and the northern part of the Indian subcontinent, where they founded the mighty Kushan empire. The latter, in turn, extended its power back into the Tarim Basin and with it spread Buddhism, which eventually reached China.


(snip)

Two years later the well known Russian archeologist S. I. Rudenko noted the existence of mummies with European features in the royal tombs of Pazyryk in the Altai mountains, dated to the 5th and 4th centuries B.C. This evidence was subsequently added to by John Haskins of the University of Pittsburgh, who argued that the Yueh-chih (an ancient Chinese name for the Tocharians) of the Pazyryk region of the Altai might have been related to the Celts of continental Europe.

Significantly, the Tarim Basin mummies have provided further evidence which supports Heine-Geldern's theory. Some of the grave goods found with the mummies strongly suggest a connection with the "socketed celt horizon," typified by socketed bronze celts (axes which have bent wooden handles inserted at the end opposite the blade) and other distinctive bronze objects, such as knives with zoomorphic handles. The "socketed celt horizon" is dated roughly 1,800 to 1,000 B.C. stretching across Europe and correlates well with certain facets of a horse-riding and chariot/cart culture which emphasized hunting with composite bows and perhaps crossbows.

(snip)

The evidence, therefore, increasingly seems to confirm a Celtic culture extending across Eurasia at least 4,000 years ago. As one academic, James Opie, an expert on design motifs in ancient rugs and bronze implements, has pointed out, it is highly significant that Celtic endless-knot motifs, swastikas, and animal-style decorations have been discovered from Europe, through Iran, to China. The religion of the Celts--including the Scythians--was solar, and three- and four-armed swastikas as solar symbols are an omnipresent element in Celtic art. Likewise, the Tarim Basin Europeans displayed a definite penchant for spiral solar symbols, painting them on their faces and engraving them on the bridles of their horses. This in itself suggests that they were Nordics who were and always have been worshippers of the sun and sky, and more generally of Nature. As Dr. Michael Puett, a historian of East Asian civilization at Harvard University, has argued, the Tarim Basin mummies reveal clear processes of a cultural diffusion from Europe outward.

All of this supports the thesis of the pioneering archeologist Colin Renfrew, who challenged the previously accepted idea that prehistoric culture began in the Near East or Central Asia and was only later "diffused" into "barbarian" Europe. It confirms that the cultural prerequisites for civilization are much, much older in Europe than has been acknowledged, and suggests that far from Europe being civilized from outside, it was rather the rest of the world, including Asia, which was civilized by colonizing Europeans. 3


http://www.natvan.com/national-vanguard/117/aryans.html

[Calz]

Very short 2 minute vid of interest:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=J3z40aKwIiA

[Lord Sidious]

That is extremely helpful Calz_Nugget.
Now we are really getting somewhere.
That mummy with the pigtails, tell me he isn't a Celt?
He is, I am too and I recognise my own.

[Calz]

More. Please follow link below for full article with many photos and interesting information.


http://www.white-history.com/hwr6a.htm


Chapter 6: To The Ends Of The Earth - Lost White Migrations

PART ONE: CHINA, CANARY ISLANDS

In addition to the great White Indo-European migrations, several other waves of White migration occurred, varying in number, influence and spread - the most spectacular being a White settlement in North America dating from approximately 7000 BC.

Knowledge of these migrations has been lost for centuries - in some cases thousands of years - but due to relatively recent archeological finds, have now been rediscovered. In this way Nordic and White Mediterranean remains - sometimes preserved naturally, sometimes preserved through artificial means - have been discovered in China, the Canary Islands and in North America - most of them many thousands of years old.

The discovery of these mummies shows without question that early White migrations across seas and continents took place - it is just the exact numbers of individuals who undertook these migrations which is still a matter of debate.

THE TOCHARIANS - THE GREAT LOST WHITE CIVILIZATION IN CHINA

One of the furthermost eastern migrations of Celtic peoples - Indo-European Nordics - reached the Takla Makan desert (situated between Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Tibet) in China around 1500 BC.

This great migration was unknown until the 1977 AD discovery of 3500-year-old graves of these people. As a result of the natural dryness of the environment, many of the corpses are almost perfectly preserved, with their reddish-blond hair, long noses, round eyes and finely woven tartan clothing (usually associated with the Celts in Scotland), showing undeniably White racial traits.

The Tocharians: the Great Lost White migration to China.

The Chinese civilization always contained stories of blue-eyed and blonde-haired leaders who were the originators of Buddhism and who were the first leaders and organizers of Chinese society. These stories were always regarded as pure legend until the 1977 discovery of the graveyards of the Tocharians in the Takla Makan desert in China. The Tocharian mummies - naturally preserved in the dry desert sands are unequivocally clear Nordic racial types. The graveyards lie near the ruins of the great Tocharian cities, built along the famous Silk Route. It is beyond doubt that Whites settled in China, and the Chinese legends of White influence on that civilization may yet have some basis in fact.

[kersley]

Posted by Samson (here)
Very interestjing yhvh. Can you help me find additional information about the origins and age from the pictures of Nvwa and Fuxi... Google gets me nowhere, but Sumer lead me to this picture on wiki, which i find also fascinating. Cylinder seal from Uruk 6000 years old.

Are you sure about this? Only 6,000 years? Looks like depictions of the long neck dinosaur

[edina]

Posted by edina (here)
Calz, and Lord Sid, this has piqued my curiosity, last year a woman on another site sent me info about Celtic History, because she said my name, edina, was the name of an ancient Celtic legendary warrioress. I didn't save any of her links. A part of what she shared with me was similarities in the Celtic language and that of some North American tribes. BTW, my name is completely made up, my mother made it up, she thought she was being original, only now, in these past few years have I begun to hear more about it as a real name.

I'll try to search this out, also, Lord Sidious, JRR Tolkein developed his language of the fairies from what he called the light languages, Celtic, Gaelic, and Finnish. Do you consider these cultures connected to the ET Nordics, and is this the connection to the Anunnuaki that may be coming our way?

Also, Anastasia of the Ringing Cedar series talked of a global civilisation, and refers to herself as Vedic, one of the you tubes that Calz posted makes a vedic connection, too.
In some of my research I have been able to see traces of this global civilisation all over the planet, it is marked by a very close relationship with Man and Nature. Anastasia capitalises Man.

The Russian and Sanskrit languages are still so closely aligned that one who speaks either can easily understand the other. Sanskrit is also considered another language of light. I'll try to track down the info my friend shared with me and post it here and in the other Thread.

Calz - You've been quite a bit of questing here, thanks for your efforts and for getting this posted!!!

Accidentalally posted this in the Anunnaki thread first, oops...

[Rocky_Shorz]

from Morocco to China and all of Europe was at one time under the rule of Celts, they are different bloodlines...

the Asians were a different landing than the Caspian and Kenya ones...

[edina]

Posted by edina (here)
Thanks, Lord Sidious, here is another interesting bit I found, that ties the Irish, perhaps Celts, to Ea, or Enki

The Blue Stones of Atlantis - Ireland and the Lost Tribe of E.A.

"Surfing the Net one night last fall, a few days after publication of my latest Atlantis Rising article, “Secrets of the Cathars” (Num. 36, November/December 2002), my pulse suddenly quickened. My article connected the genocide of the Cathars or Pure Ones of Southern France, the secret teachings of Jesus and the supernatural blue stones of the Sumerian creator god Enki or E.A that open stargates and cause enlightenment."

I had not heard that the Finnish language was closely related to Korean, my understanding is that it's closest lingual relatives is Hawaiin, and a unusual language located in Hungary. The people and the language seem oddly disconnected from their place.

What has got me most curious is how the clues you have left seem to point toward a Keltic influence at least across the Northern Hemisphere. This article points to this as well as the Anunnaki connection.

Here is another, the Irish Origins of Civilisation by Michael Tsarion. This one mentions some of the language similarities with the Algonquian Tribes, and also ties everything back in to Egypt, and Sumer.


And of course, there is always the Kolbrin, with the Egyptian and Celtic portions, still related,

cross posting from the annunaki thread, seems related to here, because of this the Celtic connections with people in many places.

[bearcow]

People in Asia: China, Korea, Japan - have deep tradition related to reptilians beyond the boarders. There are two types of reptilians: one is god-like beings that control the water, other one is elf-like being that has intimate relationship with people's living. The later one has a horn in fore head with human shape, can do shape shifting, displays physical manifestation like magician, etc.
The god-like reptilian usually called 'the dragon', a big snake with four legs and flying in the air, shows the power of weather manipulation: storm, rain fall, heavy wind, etc.

Chinese 'dragons' have nothing to do with the reptilians that david icke speaks of.

I have been told that these gentlemen were the originators of Chinese culture

Fankuang Tzu

It is said that in approximately 12,000BC a selected group of Chinese people were taught a variety of arts by the "Sons of Reflected Light" (Fankuang Tzu); a race of people who were reported to be over seven foot tall wearing unusual clothing.They instructed the Chinese on how to make glass, gunpowder, silk-weaving, pottery, metallurgy, medicine and alchemy.