Censorship here?

[Karma Ninja]

Posted by Chicodoodoo (here)

Posted by Karma Ninja (here)
did you really spend a week talking with your friends on the Nexus2012 forum to come back here to do this?

No. There's no conspiracy involved here. I did not spend a week talking to friends on Nexus so that I could come back here to do this. You're welcome to investigate this over at Nexus, if you doubt my word. Also, be careful, as you are impugning my motives here, and the last time I was falsely accused of that, I got suspended from Avalon by Paul for one week. It can happen to anyone, and repeatedly has, and therein lies the problem.

I don't see how I have to be careful, far from 'impugning your motives' I was simply asking a question. You answered it, ignored my other points and sent me a warning about how my actions could get me banned or suspended. If you check my other posts you will see I am far from confrontational but I do take exception to these ego escapades. I don't go about making comparisons to this site, it's moderators and all the evils of the world.

I read your posts on the thread about 'having your membership cancelled' from Avalon. I suggest anyone here go ahead and read from about page 33 onwards on that thread and get a real clear example of why some of Avalons past members are gone. I also miss the input from some of those people and wish they could have compromised a bit more. Read that thread you contributed to and read what you thank people for saying. The thread is replete with fairly malicious and accusatory rants filled with venom from people who used to be here. It is also one of the most populated threads on the site. You challenged the integrity of the statements and motives of the people who run this site. I don't sit here saying I agree with all of the decisions made by Avalons mods but I can't say for certainty they were wrong either. What you are mad about is not the decisions themselves but only the ones against people who you agreed with or felt strongly about. This is what I meant by self-serving. After reading your comments I can't understand why you would want to come back. If we all read between the lines it becomes obvious.

Do you understand the vitally important and insanely critical part about this being Bill's forum? Do you understand that this is not your forum? Why are you imposing your wishes on this site who's integrity and motives you cannot trust? There is no outcry here save for from a few. You have a choice to make and I am sure you and all the others will make it.

I get that you feel there is a lot of negative stuff going on in the world. I absolutely agree that it is overwhelming to consider the terrible things that happen and get frustrated that people aren't willing to do something about it. But contrary to you, I appreciate those who want to create a better place and contribute in a positive manner. After 20 years of research I feel the positive people are the most important thing going out there. Okay, I know you think what is portrayed as good is actually evil but why can't you respect people's rights or desires to see it another way? How can you know for sure you are right? Why do we need to be cynical and critical of everything including the people on this forum?

You can contribute more if you remember that the method in which we deliver a message is sometimes more important than the words we choose.

Peace!

Edit: I didn't realize Chico's account had been deactivated but would like to add that I wish him well in his future and will miss his contributions. Hope you find what you want over at Nexus2012! I noticed he is already logged on over there.

[Siberia9]

Well that ends that. No fighting allowed kids. I can work with that, its easy enough, I dont like soap opera's anyway. In fact Im dissapointed that I even wasted my time reading this thread I could have spent my energy on something positive instead.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Siberia9 (here)
I could have spent my energy on something positive instead.

Well said.

[Ross]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Chicodoodoo (here)
Be the change you wish to see in the world.

We wish you well in your endeavors, Chicodoodoo.

Your Project Avalon account has been deactivated.

As it states in the forum Guidelines:

Anyone who does not appear to be in alignment with the purpose and energy of the forum may be asked to leave.

That is a real shame...

[NancyV]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Chicodoodoo (here)
Be the change you wish to see in the world.

We wish you well in your endeavors, Chicodoodoo.

Your Project Avalon account has been deactivated.

As it states in the forum Guidelines:

Anyone who does not appear to be in alignment with the purpose and energy of the forum may be asked to leave.

Thank you, Paul. I think you gave him what he must have been wanting. He would have to be insane if he didn't think his words would lead to his account being deactivated and I don't think he's at all insane. I liked Chico but I didn't like his constant criticisms and divisiveness. So goodbye, Chico, I'll miss you and I hope you enjoy whatever forum you spend your time on next.

Nancy

[Mad Hatter]

Mad Hatter dons his observer hat...

1) Anyone see the fact that some are so attached to a particular view that a devils advocate position equates to an ad hom attack in their eyes...
2) Anyone see that despite the inventor of democracy stating it sucked, mankind, on the whole, hasn't grown up enough to attempt discussing something better...
3) Anyone see that

one of the goals of Avalon was to be a model that would demonstrate to the world how a community could work together to solve problems.

followed immediately by

Anyone who does not appear to be in alignment with the purpose and energy of the forum may be asked to leave.

is unfortunate timing...

CYA chico I do appreciate all the times you made me stop and think, although if Avalon had a Sandpaper Award you'd have won it every time hands down...

[FrankoL]

IMO, now mods are not that restrictive then former garniture. Less oppressive I would say. They have to be to maintain forum alive.

Problem is product and its lifecycle. On 1.January, extension was made therefore forum was not dead that soon...in fact forum is still running. Also new entries are scheduled which is good for its lifespan. Bill is very clever and could be also a good entrepreneur....actually he is excellent one.

People are consumers, therefore sooner or later we fulfil our needs. That's simple logic, isn't it? Other than that is not rational, for fools, so to say. You found here what you have searched for, now what? ... a bedtime story and kiss for good night... Good morning.

[Davidallany]

The thought manifests as the word; The word manifests as the deed; The deed develops into habit; And habit hardens into character. So watch the thought and its ways with care, And let it spring from love Born out of concern for all beings.

-The Buddha
May all beings be happy-hearted.

[sandy]

Posted by Ross (here)

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Chicodoodoo (here)
Be the change you wish to see in the world.

We wish you well in your endeavors, Chicodoodoo.

Your Project Avalon account has been deactivated.

As it states in the forum Guidelines:

Anyone who does not appear to be in alignment with the purpose and energy of the forum may be asked to leave.

That is a real shame...

Hey Ross,

I couldn't agree more and it is not only a shame but is sad too. You will be missed Chico!!

I do have to say that I feel confused by those who partake it this thread and then do not take the personal responsibility for doing so and abdicate their wasted time or writings to the negativity they experience. I hope somewhere there is a message that people get when it comes to assigning negativity to someone that they appeared to be taking part in>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>But for the grace of God go I!!!

[ROMANWKT]

Another boring waste of time crap thread, contributes to nothing.

regards to all

roman

[Tangri]

well,
I just finished page 3 (half way) What, I understand from the mod's job is they have to watch language and tone usage not about subject . If it stays in that range it is necessary but if exceeds because of personal conflict then need a watcher for the watcher Like Richard's case. I was shocked with his emotional outburst to the another member.

Love and Peace

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Gaia (here)

Being a mod is not easy.

An admin is not only in charge of what is said above, but also of taking care of the website in its entirety, which includes technical problems and glitches, and editing the website.

For all moderatos these qualifications must be respected:

You must fully respect Bill Ryan. This is his site, and you have the privilege of moderating it.

You must respect and honour, and make others honour, the rules.

You must be fair when you moderate. Do not be too harsh, or too passive. Forgive a lot of minor offenses, but never forget them.

Be objective when you moderate. Do not defend anybody because they're your friend. Do so only because you see it as being rational, fair and right. Do not let an offense from somebody slip because you're they're friend. Whoever does not respect the rules must be notified of that.

Do not abuse your privileges. Yes, you do have more rights than a member, but that doesn't mean you can be an a** about it.

Gaia

Sounds easy, but I bet it isn't.
It is the 50/50 posts that can be a challenge. Did the poster mean x or did they mean y?
With as much traffic as this place has that in itself can make it harder.
The mods need our help, whether duplicate threads or just nuggetry on the board, we need to hit the little yellow triangle.

Posted by Fred259 (here)

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Fred259 (here)
That will put the issue to rest… Thanks Andy..

Polls do not mandate forum organization, procedure or guidelines.

Right now, it seems that so long as those members remain here who are determined to keep making an issue of this, just so long will the issue not be put to rest.

No but they might help you to understand how people like Chico and I feel at your dictatorial attitude Paul.

Why don’t you answer the question about Chico and his Checks and Balances suggestion?

What happened to SKAWF? Why was he AWOL for two weeks?

I find myself agreeing and disagreeing with posts of yours as is natural, so let me put this to you.
How would the moderation team work if not dictatorial?
By consent of the ones breaking the rules?
By vote and thereby attract more attention to the problem post/s?

To all of us.
Bill appointed people to work here and keep the place free for debate and I believe they do a good job.
Sometimes there are mistakes of too much/not enough moderation but guess what?
None of the staff are perfect anymore than you or me, so we have to expect mistakes, accept the mistakes and forgive.
I haven't seen anything outrageous going on with the staff here and if anyone would, you would think it would be me, as I am not exactly a shrinking violet.
On my point, I challenged bill and the only moderation that took place was the thread was split.
I don't have an issue with that as I derailed a friends thread to start with.
No posts were removed of mine nor did I get infractions or anything.
I hold great respect and affection for the members of our team.
Notice I said OUR team? Not bills team OUR team.

[QUOTE=Fred259;219071]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Fred259 (here)

Right now, it seems that so long as those members remain here who are determined to keep making an issue of this, just so long will the issue not be put to rest.

That’s Balderdash Paul, The problem is you never answer a question. Chico has continually championed the cause of those who were sacked retied or sent to dig the garden.

Paul remember this… many members have contributed with time and money. We don’t know if any have made a financial contribution to Bill It doesn’t matter. What he wants is answers to his questions. Stop sitting on the fence and start seeing sense.

Bottom Line. Its not an issue, but if you ignore members questions it becomes an issue. You create the issues…don’t you see that..

This is just plain rude. Why do you need to make a sneaky insinuation against Paul of wrongdoing and money changing hands? And it if it doesn't matter, why raise it?
This is THE very ad hominem we don't want.
I would have deactivated you for that, so you are lucky there are no Sith Lord mods here.
And that isn't a joke, I mean it.

Posted by Ross (here)
I can see all sides to this...just want to say the full moon is upon us

Ross

As someone with majority Irish background, I am of pale skin and can get burnt by a full moon.
Thanks for the warning.

Posted by Seikou-Kishi (here)

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Seikou-Kishi (here)
Oh yeah, Paul's still the devil incarnate

I've thinking of changing my forum Title from "Administrator" to "Tyrannical Censor" (in jest at this.)

I gave up on Fred259. He is now enjoying a one week vacation for ad hominem attacks.

Try Führer. At least then they can leave to screams of "Jaa, mein Führer!" lol

Then, if there is censorship, you can scream OY VEY GEWALT!!
You gotta laugh, I tell ya.
Chico has some valid points, this is true, but Fred undoes himself with his attacks and refusal to accept an apology.

Posted by andywight (here)

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
A poll would not put this to rest. Some people enjoy controversy - it is their entertainment.

If you make statements like this Dennis, you should be prepared, as a Moderator, to be questioned as to who in your opinion are these people.

So, who in your opinion are the people who enjoy controversy for their entertainment?

I think your question, although well meant, is not a good one.
If Dennis answered it with names, that would be a contravention of the guidelines and it would be rude of him to do so.
The mods know who they are, they are watching them, that should be enough.

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Chicodoodoo (here)
Be the change you wish to see in the world.

We wish you well in your endeavors, Chicodoodoo.

Your Project Avalon account has been deactivated.

As it states in the forum Guidelines:

Anyone who does not appear to be in alignment with the purpose and energy of the forum may be asked to leave.

Even though I know why this happened and can't see what other option there was, it makes me sad.
I like Chiconugget, even though I didn't agree with him on most things.
I think he thought out most things before he posted here and contributed much to us.


Sorry to see you go Chico, be well, take it easy and continue to do what you feel is right.

[Lily de Cuir]

Hello Everyone,

For the record, I can see everyone's POV here, mods included, they have a very hard job. I don't sit in one position, however I must state this:

As a frequent 'thank you button user', I wanted to thank several authors on here, but my finger hovered over the button, thinking of the consequences of doing so.

I think that says something, don't you? I should not have to think twice about thanking someone for their opinion, lest I be branded for doing so.

As I and many have pointed out before, sometimes people thank a post, NOT because we agree, but because they have given us something to think about. The thank you button is about thanking someone for a 'useful comment'. 'Useful' meaning it gave 'meaning' to the reader.

Kind regards,
Lily

[Amenjo]

I can't see any reason for changing the way the thankyou button works, if you wish the thankyou to represent more than an agreement of what the person is saying, then you should follow up with a little post to explain what you are agreeing with. In that way it makes everything clear exactly what you are thanking.

Love and Truth

Amenjo

[Martin]

Well, problem "solved" I guess. Sadly none of Chico's valid points were discussed. Maybe a check and balance system of some sort would not be possible here, since I am very certain that it is simply not allowed to be, but that stands for itself and therefor needs no discussion at all.

What I would like to see introduced though is a new section within the forum. A section which would give some sort of documentation of why and how a member got to be classified as "energy-disruptive" and giving also proof of that behavior via quotes etc. This could really provide a little bit more transparency and foremost clarity of if and when a member really has shown his or herself not to be "fitting" for this forum.

Since simply banning everyone speaking against the current modus operandi of the "staff" will most likely not resulst in a positive solution of the problem at hand and please do not say that there isn't a problem. *lalala*


MfG

Martin

[blake]

Hello All,

I was attracted to Avalon because I thought it was a place of seeking the truth openly, not just by sharing our knowledge base, but also our different and sometimes controversial perspectives, in a polite manner of course. If I don't resonate with a thread, or don't like the banter on a thread, or the impolite tone of a poster or a moderator, I simply move on to the next tread, or start my own thread.

For me, there are just too many new threads daily on this wonderful site for me to read even a small percentage of them. So I am curious as to why there are so many comments on this particular thread?
If any member is opposed or bothered by this type of discussion, I am curious as to why are you choosing to spend your limited and valuable time in reading this particular thread?
I would bet my favorite dessert that you could find many more threads to read today and respond to that are more inline with where you are in life, and what you need today.
The best way to show disapproval is how Mr. Ryan appears to do it, he simply seems to igore and does not particpate. By commenting on this thread, each poster is contributing to keeping this subject very much alive. For those of you so opposed to what Chicodoodoo is expressing, why do you particpate in bumping this thread to the top so more can see it by adding additional comments? Why not ignore it and let it just fade a way, along with any other thread you disagree with or are fed up with discussing?

However, I choose to read this thread; and I choose to use my limted and valuable time in reading this thread because I think Chicododoo point goes deeper than is presently being debated. I think it has the potential to help us all understand the small details of human nature and our interactions that makes it so easy for the TPTB to keep rulership over the many. But that is just my opinion.

Again, as I already asked, if any member is opposed or bothered by this type of discussion, why are you choosing to spend your limited and valuable time in reading this particular thread?

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

[Gaia]

It looks like some have their own ideas about how Avalon should be run. Why do you want to tel how it should be or what is Ok or Not...Isn't that the job of the founder of this site...And some of you still don't get it.

[dan i el]

as far as some of these expulsions go, one either tip toes around nervous power staying mute or otherwise becomes also a momentary martyr for a bit of keyboard tapping trying to defend others daring to be in a bit of anguish. That is a shame, it is just like the normal world, really.

In terms of the spirit of Avalon, I perceive it and am "in line" with it ( for want of a BETTER PHRASE ) and thus do not seek to boat rock. Nevertheless, sometimes, in/at the moment, that boat..rowboat..appears only to have one oar.

When I was a moderator somewhere once I remember quite clearly being uncomfortable with what I saw as the unexpected drunkenness from perceived power in some other moderators I had promoted from the membership.

It is easy to get into a habit of being somewhat trigger happy with the ban button and I sincerely hope I am not chastised for saying that by the mods. It is only a heartfelt observation and well meant advice.

[K626]

Posted by blake (here)
Hello All,

I was attracted to Avalon because I thought it was a place of seeking the truth openly, not just by sharing our knowledge base, but also our different and sometimes controversial perspectives, in a polite manner of course. If I don't resonate with a thread, or don't like the banter on a thread, or the impolite tone of a poster or a moderator, I simply move on to the next tread, or start my own thread.

For me, there are just too many new threads daily on this wonderful site for me to read even a small percentage of them. So I am curious as to why there are so many comments on this particular thread?
If any member is opposed or bothered by this type of discussion, I am curious as to why are you choosing to spend your limited and valuable time in reading this particular thread?
I would bet my favorite dessert that you could find many more threads to read today and respond to that are more inline with where you are in life, and what you need today.
The best way to show disapproval is how Mr. Ryan appears to do it, he simply seems to igore and does not particpate. By commenting on this thread, each poster is contributing to keeping this subject very much alive. For those of you so opposed to what Chicodoodoo is expressing, why do you particpate in bumping this thread to the top so more can see it by adding additional comments? Why not ignore it and let it just fade a way, along with any other thread you disagree with or are fed up with discussing?

However, I choose to read this thread; and I choose to use my limted and valuable time in reading this thread because I think Chicododoo point goes deeper than is presently being debated. I think it has the potential to help us all understand the small details of human nature and our interactions that makes it so easy for the TPTB to keep rulership over the many. But that is just my opinion.

Again, as I already asked, if any member is opposed or bothered by this type of discussion, why are you choosing to spend your limited and valuable time in reading this particular thread?

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

It's human nature, people are attracted by drama and there is a LOT OF IT in the alternative media and chatrooms. Some of it is purposeful distraction and misinformation.

cheers

K

[blake]

Hello All,

So sorry that a man with such logic and understanding of how the world works, and how those same unhealthy patterns can be seen even here on this forum, was banned. In my opinon, people in general could have benefited from his insights and enlarged their undersatnding of the poltics of human nature if the discussion could have evolved into a reflective mode of how each of us plays into the hands of TPTB in our daily relationships and interactions with others. For as what Chicodoodoo referenced, Avaolon is just a micro world of how the world at large acts.

To all, I ask please explain to me what you think the below statement means:

"....the forum Guidelines:

"Anyone who does not appear to be in alignment with the purpose and energy of the forum may be asked to leave."

That is pretty subjective. Guess who else uses subjective guidelines?

Chicodoodoo, your brainpower, your ability to connect dots that others arn't ready to connect is Avalon's lost.

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis